Clayton Valley Little League Sends Out Letter Regarding Possible Loss of Baseball Fields at CVCHS

January 30, 2014 18:39 pm · 134 comments


Two weeks ago, just three weeks prior to practices beginning, Clayton Valley Little League (CVLL) was notified by Clayton Valley Charter High School (CVCHS) that CVLL was possibly going to lose their fields at CVCHS.

According to a source within CVLL, CVCHS plans on razing the fields and placing 10 portable buildings (“classrooms”) on the site of the fields CVLL built 40 years ago.

The following portion of a letter will go out this afternoon to all families and community members associated with CVLL:

Dear CVLL Families,

It is almost certain that CVLL is losing our “home” at Clayton Valley Charter High School this year. This comes after 40 years of games at the high school on fields that CVLL built, paid for and spent considerable time and expense over the years to maintain and improve. As a Board, we were notified on January 16 that we may lose our fields as early as March 15 but no later than May 1 in order for the school to build portable classrooms for an additional 300 students who will be admitted to the Charter for the 2014-15 school year.

While this has to ultimately be approved by the school district, it is our understanding that approval is expected and we as a Board are working feverishly and diligently to ensure that the disruption is minimized. However, it is clear that there will be a significant disruption and this will include relocating many of our divisions to other fields within the CVLL boundaries, including those we have used for years and potentially new reconditioned fields that we have not had games on before. Rest assured, our priority is to ensure another full, complete and fun season for all our kids and families. We will provide you with more information as soon as possible, but remain certain that we will, with significant energy, hard work and determination on the part of the Board and all our families, be able to provide another great season.

The CVLL Board commits to clearly communicating with every CVLL Team Manager on where/when every practice/game will be held with as much advanced time possible. We aim to shield the CVLL families from any negative impacts.

In addition, while we are currently working on an emergency basis to schedule practices and games for this year, we are also working on future plans for CVLL’s new home. We just have to figure out where that will be but are already in discussions with at least three potential sites and are equally certain we will find a new home and start a new chapter in our history.

We recognize that many of you may feel anger and disappointment at losing our home, especially on such short notice. Rest assured, we on the Board share those feelings, especially considering all the time, money and effort we have put in to those fields with an expectation that we would continue to share the fields with the high school. While this anger and disappointment is understandable, we are trying to look at the big picture and see, and we urge all of you to as well, that the Charter’s expansion is a good thing for most of our CVLL families whose children will grow up and attend the Charter. Their success is ultimately our success. This being said, the Board does have expectations of the Charter to “Do the Right Thing” and assist CVLL, both monetarily and in other ways, for our displacement.

1 MinksteinChiropractic January 30, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Aww man, they could have given those kids more notice then they did. Come on school district… LET THEM PLAY

2 anon January 30, 2014 at 3:52 PM

See what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum . . .

3 Futurama January 30, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Wooo! Charter schools for the win!

4 Rob January 30, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I suspect this won’t be the last surprise we learn about the new Charter Savior…

5 Sacto Rob January 30, 2014 at 4:19 PM

It IS school district property, purchased by taxpayers for educational purposes. Yes, it’s a drag that littler leaguers will lose their home, but 300 kids seeking a superior education than what traditional public schools have to offer should be served first. It’s not even a close call.
And considering the school population is expanding by 300 kids, this just goes to show what can happen when you get the unions out of the way and let teachers get back to teaching. Word is out on the streets and parents are responding. So much for the doom-and-gloomers who predicted disaster for CVCHS.

6 Meth Monster January 30, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Really? I mean REALLY? Wers all those deep pockets? Let’s save theses feilds

7 WC Boy January 30, 2014 at 4:27 PM

overall population not increasing, public school enrollment is just declining by that amount

8 Domestic CEO January 30, 2014 at 4:30 PM

This saddens me. My kids go to the Charter, but they also played in CVLL and I am torn. Better notice should have been given to CVLL, but the school is trying to accommodate all the kids who want to attend a great public school. There are over 900 students trying to get in to CVCHS… they are doing their best to keep up with the list of applicants and getting maybe a third of those on the list to attend, will be the luck of the draw on Feb. 4th at 7pm at Centre Concord. I hope all turns out well for CVLL and CV.

9 Observing Parent January 30, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Kind of ironic considering the fact that many parents are transferring their kids there because it has such a big emphasis on sports. CVCHS is aiming to become a sports powerhouse to rival De La Salle.

10 @Sacto Rob January 30, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Agreed. School is the definite priority. Is the baseball league seriously considering asking the school for money. Wow. How much did the league save by not having to purchase land (and pay property tax) in the first place? Surely they must have long standing contingency plans in place for this inevitability. Don’t blame the school for what appears to me to be a lack of planning on the part of the CVLL.

11 @ Sacto Rob January 30, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Sacto Rob, The CVCHS teachers are unionized. The school lost a lot of their good, experienced teachers. They’re bringing in a lot of inexperienced ones. Some aren’t even credentialed. :(. It’s not turning out to be as much fun as the teachers thought it would be when they decided to take the school charter.

12 anon January 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Very sad . This will also bring much more unwanted traffic to the surrounding neighborhoods.

13 anon January 30, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Way to support youth sports. There’s a lot of land there, why not put the portables some other location. I’m sure the outdoor basketball courts aren’t used.

14 Marty McFLy January 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM

@#10 -If we only had a DeLorean to go back 40 years and interview them ole timers within the School District on how they came to agree to let that baseball league build them there fields for whippersnappers.

15 @anon #12 January 30, 2014 at 5:06 PM

They don’t care about the neighborhood. Bringing in more students means more $$$$. It was always all about the money.

16 Disgusted Neighbor January 30, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Where are those 300 extra students plus extra staff going to park? This charter school was supposed to be better for the community. IT’S NOT. More traffic. More noise. More parking issues. That school was never designed to have that many students. It was never supposed to bring in so many students from outside the neighborhood. The neighboring roads weren’t designed for it. It’s supposed to be a neighborhood school, not some monster size school bringing in outsiders from God know where. AND NOW THEY ARE TAKING WAY THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS.

Where is the Contra Costa County Board of Education? Why are the approving turning CVCHS into some gigantic mega school? It was supposed to stay a local neighborhood school.

17 Skippy January 30, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Oh boo hoo. You got what you paid for CVLL, 40 years of use. Nothing lasts forever. You may have paid for upkeep, etc., but you also used the fields during that time so where’s the loss? Find another spot. You’re as bad as that oyster guy, Lunny, who bought a lease on Federal land which he knew was expiring in a few years then cried all the way to the Supreme Court when the government ended his lease.

18 Killjoy January 30, 2014 at 5:58 PM

It’s rather curious, that the school talked about how the feeder schools (Diablo View and Pine Hollow) students had a guaranteed place in the school.
Students from other schools would have to apply, and wait for the results from a lottery.
With the addition of 300 extra students, it looks like that Lottery was rigged!

19 Time for Change January 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM

They should take over the fields at JOBL change is long over due at that complex.

20 clayton resident January 30, 2014 at 6:15 PM

What about the fields at Clayton Community Park? They are in the process of getting new scoreboards and the fields, restrooms, play areas, etc are well maintained.
It may at the very least be a temporary fix…

21 Futurama January 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM

LoL Woooo! Sports!

22 Not a Barry Fan January 30, 2014 at 6:34 PM


23 anon January 30, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Very good, glad to see CVCHS is attracting more students.

24 Matt The Brat January 30, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I am not opposed to expanding for classrooms. To me that is more important than ball fields.

I would NEVER buy a home near a school. Have you ever seen the madness that goes on during drop off and pick up times? It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy that walking to school is unsafe because it is the double-parking, latte-sipping, cell phone-talking, running-late parents and guardians that make it unsafe!!! Hellooooooo!

25 sad parent January 30, 2014 at 6:46 PM

It is disappointing this has to happen now. It would have been better if they had a little more time to relocate. I know education comes first, but because of so many kids coming to CVCH out side of the area, CVLL
has to lose their fields…
It is true CVCH are getting good athletes out side of the area, but that means local kids are pushed aside, too. I am sure so many kids will face a tough situation when they show up at any try-out at CVHS from now on.
My kids have experienced a charter school, but it was really good, but it was not any better than other already good schools. Since it was fairly new, there were a lot of changes every year(program, teachers, schedule etc…), it was pretty stressful to get to used to a new set-up every year.

26 If the buildings are PORTABLE...... January 30, 2014 at 7:00 PM

why can’t they put them somewhere else….???

27 Sumsocool January 30, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Why doesn’t CVLL play in Clayton. With Clayton always thumbing their noise at Concord I don’t understand them wanting to play in Concord. Clayton build your own fields for your league, CVCHS is in Concord.

28 anonymous January 30, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Doesn’t the high school use the fields for girl’s softball? Where will they play? Maybe the Title IX suit being filed against the Charter School has merit.

29 Motherof3 January 30, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Shame on the CVLL Board of Directors for writing such a letter and making it public. What do you expect to accomplish now?? Good way to maintain a good relationship with the school when you need the fields. @skippy… You nailed it!!

30 Retired Cop January 30, 2014 at 7:30 PM

“CVCHS is aiming to become a sports powerhouse to rival De La Salle.”

It will take more than that because of their LARGE ego & the fact that they draw the best athletes from ll over the world to staff their teams.

31 Russ January 30, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Karma for not letting my kid in their league based on some silly boundary rule……….

32 Anon January 30, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Three months notice? Good to see CVCHS giving back to the community.

33 Mr. Pink January 30, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Do the high school teams not use those fields as well, or do they only use the one way in the back on school property?

My son played many years of baseball with CVLL and it’s a shame to see that the fields may go, but I guess it does depend on the arrangement. 40 years of use doesn’t necessarily translate to squatter’s rights.

34 Killjoy January 30, 2014 at 7:45 PM

It’s true that the units are portable, but it’s not as if they can be placed at the other end of the field.
Students must be able to get to and from classes in a reasonable amount of time as well as utilities must be ran to the buildings. Power and gas for lights and heat are a necessity.
When I went to CVHS (granted that WAS a few decades ago), we used the blacktop during P.E. every day it wasn’t raining. We lined up for roll call, played basketball (yes outside), volleyball, etc. So placing the portables there is probably not an option either.

35 big brown January 30, 2014 at 8:03 PM

CVLL maintains the fields at no cost to the Charter school, even in the off season when they do not use the fields. The Charter school has not put one dime into the maintaince of those fields. But the school and the softball coach are the first to complain when they want something for those fields. As for the Title IX, how much of that is the school’s softball team or the coach’s travel ball team? They use those fields and pay nothing to use them or to maintain them. And @Sumsocool, CVLL has a lot of kids in their program who live in Concord. Why don’t they play for the Concord little league teams?

36 can not do it January 30, 2014 at 8:10 PM

High school girls use that field for softball,too. I wonder where
they will play.
CVLL includes a part of Concord, not just Clayton.

37 HAHA January 30, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Turning it into a charter school was lookin like a real good idea right about now huh? Taking away little league fields mid-season for classes NEXT YEAR.

Bunch of snobby bullies, nothing more.

38 Let the kids play January 30, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Not only did CVLL build the fields originally, they have maintained them for all that time. The dugouts and storage areas, snack shack were all built by volunteers at no cost to the school. Before the new additions were added to the football field, the school used to plug into the snack shack for the power to the field, at CVLL’ s expense. CVLL has it’s own water meter for the 2 fields nearest the snack shack for years, paid for by CVLL. The AD from the old CVHS made CVLL refill all the rock around the fields at CVLL expense as well as the Porta Pottys and garbage cans. At one time at least both the Varsity Softball Field and the smaller field that cheer also use were completely rebuilt by CVLL
Both the old school and the new school have saved a lot of money over the years so anyone who thinks that CVLL has gotten off scot free with the field use is sadly mistaken.

39 @39 January 30, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Thank you for the info. I thought it might have been the case.
I know a lot of board members on CVLL.
They are the least selfish people I know.
I am sure it took a lot of courage to send the e-mail out.
Since some of their older kids attend the charter school,
they did not write this out of selfishness for sure.

40 CVCHS is coming for you! January 30, 2014 at 9:25 PM

The ugly eagles are coming for you De La Salle. We are about to hand you silver spoon mouthed kids your lunch.

41 Let the kids play January 30, 2014 at 9:38 PM

The following text is from an e-mail I sent when I initially heard that the fields were going to be turned into additional parking and a new softball field was to be built over near the old football practice area by the old freshman baseball field:

To: Pat Middendorf
Subject: Clayton Valley Little League Questions
Ms. Middendorf,
I have a couple of questions I would like to ask.
What was the reason for removing all the CVLL Containers from their locations at CVCHS?
Are there plans to replace the existing softball fields with parking lots or other items for CVCHS use?
Thank you in advance for your time,
From: Pat Middendorf (
Sent: Thu 8/29/13 4:16 PM

I’m happy to answer your questions. Thirteen containers were removed from the CV campus last spring. This was part of our Measure C project to update Gonsalves Stadium. In phase one of that project we replaced the old turf field and all-weather track with new state of the art ones. The area the CVLL containers were in were needed to stage the equipment and supplies and had to be removed for that and Phase 2. It was also decided that all unsafe, deteriorating containers would be removed. Almost all of these containers were rotting and used for scrap. The LL containers were rotting and had skunks and rats residing in them. As you may have noticed we have continuously worked on improving our facilities this past year and will continue to do that this year. In phase 2 of that project we are adding new bleachers, landscape, snack shack, rest rooms, etc.
We will also be making improvements to both parking lots by the fields. The one closest to the school will be completely re done over Winter break. The one by the LL snack shack will be refurbished as an Eagle Scout Project. There are no future plans to make any of the fields a parking lot. We do need parking space tho..
Hope that answers your questions. Pat Middendorf

I find it very interesting that CVCHS had all the time to put together an 83 page document, presented to MSUSD for their phase 2 plan, that had no mention of their intent to add the portable classrooms, on the same day that they told CVLL about these plans .would appear to me that all the skunks an rats were not removed with the containers.


42 Let the kids play January 30, 2014 at 9:45 PM

The following text is from an e-mail I sent to CVCHS when I heard that hey were going to turn these fields into parking lots and build a new softball field somewhere near the old freshman baseball field near the tennis courts:

To: Pat Middendorf
Subject: Clayton Valley Little League Questions
Ms. Middendorf,

I have a couple of questions I would like to ask.
What was the reason for removing all the CVLL Containers from their locations at CVCHS?
Are there plans to replace the existing softball fields with parking lots or other items for CVCHS use?
Thank you in advance for your time,

From: Pat Middendorf (
Sent: Thu 8/29/13 4:16 PM
I’m happy to answer your questions. Thirteen containers were removed from the CV campus last spring. This was part of our Measure C project to update Gonsalves Stadium. In phase one of that project we replaced the old turf field and all-weather track with new state of the art ones. The area the CVLL containers were in were needed to stage the equipment and supplies and had to be removed for that and Phase 2. It was also decided that all unsafe, deteriorating containers would be removed. Almost all of these containers were rotting and used for scrap. The LL containers were rotting and had skunks and rats residing in them. As you may have noticed we have continuously worked on improving our facilities this past year and will continue to do that this year. In phase 2 of that project we are adding new bleachers, landscape, snack shack, rest rooms, etc.
We will also be making improvements to both parking lots by the fields. The one closest to the school will be completely re done over Winter break. The one by the LL snack shack will be refurbished as an Eagle Scout Project. There are no future plans to make any of the fields a parking lot. We do need parking space tho..
Hope that answers your questions. Pat Middendorf

Apparently, not all the skunks and rats were removed with the containers.


43 DMZ January 30, 2014 at 9:51 PM

CVCHS has just taken all the positive it had to, a BIG negative.
Not the way it should of been handled.

44 AlwaysL8 January 30, 2014 at 10:19 PM

HOly goodness people. Anytime you RENT something and not OWN something it can be taken away. CVLL always knew they were on someone else’s land w/ permission . Of course they maintained the fields, it was quip pro quo. You use them, you maintain them.

Killjoy , what??? What and where is anything said about the boundary kids no longer having a priority. The priority of the local kids for admission is written into the charter and has NOTHING to do with little league.

CVLL sorry you have to move, but like you said, you have at least 3 other options coming together. Look forward…. you got good use out of the fields. CVCHS is a good thing. Kids want to attend. THey want to make room for more kids. Really we should put little league first? Really?? REALLY? Because your letter was awfully passive aggressive. Oh big mean CV, oh but wait the charter is good, oh but we’re mad too, oh but wait, CV pay us money. I’m sure you’ll be fine CVLL and there was no reason to send that letter w/ such a tone. DId the board approve that anyway?

45 @39 January 30, 2014 at 10:25 PM

The school district owns the land, they decide what it will be used for. They we nice enough to loan it to Little league for 40 years now it is needed to accommodate the influx of students. Would you rather pay higher taxes so the district can purchase land?

46 @anonymous #28 January 30, 2014 at 10:34 PM

A Title IX lawsuit is being filed against CVCHS??? Please tell us more!

47 @Russ #32 January 30, 2014 at 10:42 PM

It’s not a silly boundary rule. Little League has very strict rules about local leagues only taking kids who live within their boundaries. It’s to prevent local Little League organizations from trying to recruit the best kids from outside their boundaries and to make sure every kid gets a fair shot at participating.

48 @@39 #46 January 30, 2014 at 11:09 PM

It is CVCHS that is kicking CVLL off of their home fields for the last 40 years, not MDUSD. CVCHS is no longer part of MDUSD. MDUSD owns the land, but CVCHS is given free rein go do whatever they want with it. Don’t try to blame MDUSD for this. It’s all on the people who run CVCHS.

Giving CVLL just 3 three months to find new fields is a lousy thing go do. Shame on CVCHS. There was no reason they had to do this. They did not have to increase the student population. It was their choice. They did not have to do it in a way that used the existing CVLL fields. They could have offered to move the CVLL fields to a different part of the campus.

Adding 300 more students to the school on top of the students they added this year is wrong. It is being done to the detriment of the neighborhood students who go there. It is being done to the detriment of the neighborhoods around the school. The ones who benefit are the employees of the school. Make no mistake, it is the employees that run the school. They control the Governing Board. It means more money for them, more expensive administrative positions to promote teachers into, more strokes for the egos of board members, and more glory for Pat Middendorf and her plan to turn CVCHS into a big sports school.

49 @46 January 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM

They are not saying they have every right to stay. They just wish they had more time to relocate.
They did not say little league should be put first, also this e-mail was sent to CVLL families only, so it is expected to have a certain tone.
These board members have kids at CVCHS,too. Some of them were highly involved in the conversion to charter indeed.
I thought they will be leasing CalState Hayward campus to have more students, or do they need more space in addition to the CalState campus ?
Does anyone know how many students in total they will have ? I heard there will be 2,200 already when they were considering the lease of CalState campus. I am afraid it will be totally overcrowded. Things are going well at CVCHS, which is good, but as a local parent I am not sure I am in favor of the expansion.

50 @sumsocool January 30, 2014 at 11:36 PM

CVLL plays on fields in their boundaries. It’s Clayton Valley Little League. As in Clayton Valley. Like ….uhhh Clayton Valley Charter School…which is in the boundaries of their league.

51 Let the kids play January 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM

@39 #46

My point in my initial post was to inform all those who think that CVLL got a financial pass in using the HS fields that there was a savings to the HS for all that CVLL did. I can assure you that there was money invested by CVLL well over $100,000.00 over 40 years.
My second post merely shows the misinformation sent by CVCHS unless their plans came after the August 29th date it was sent.
CVCHS submitted a detailed 83 page report to the MDUSD for their Plan 2 mentioned in the e-mail. It was created for publication the same day they formally informed the CVLL Board of their intent to start their portable classrooms on May 1st. Given the extent of the documentation required, I hardly think it took less than the 10 week notice they gave CVLL before the start of their season. Is their schedule so tight that they could not start the project toward the middle of June when CVLL’s season ends?
CVCHS is displacing approximately 600 children to the winds with little regard to the costs and uncertainty involved.
Part of the league are between 5 and 6 teams of the Challenger division of kids with physical and mental disabilities. They play on Sunday afternoons. Where is a safe place for them to play? No snack shack for food, water, etc. for any of those children that played at CVCHS. Where does CVLL store the equipment and materials needed to run the league and how do they get the same to the various locations now required?
More than 600 local children getting displaced for 300 students eligible from the schools boundaries is a legitimate concern. However, if there are more than 300 “lottery” students in attendance at CVCHS, then, (IMHO), they are doing a disservice to the local community with the time frame they are imposing on CVLL.

52 Anon January 31, 2014 at 12:06 AM

It came out in the Clayton Pioneer today before CVLL issued the statement. The title IX story is in there too. They should let CVLL finish this season and boot them them next year if they no longer want them. At least they would have given them plenty of notice. Plus CVCHS could temporarily place the portables on any of the other many available acres of land without displacing the little league. I know they have a “master plan” for developing the school but this the wrong way to go about it.

53 Ian January 31, 2014 at 12:17 AM

I was CVLL for 6 years!!! No way!!! Don’t do it!!!

54 Z-Man January 31, 2014 at 6:14 AM

If the LL needs to relocate the City of Concord’s Boatwright Fields are 1 big block away across YVR. I know that complex has many options available, unsure if all facilities are 100% utilized

55 Been Down That Road January 31, 2014 at 6:47 AM

@Anon #53 and All–As you may or may not be aware the CVCHS land is not owned by CV but owned by MDUSD. Changes to the campus must be approved by the MDUSD Board of Education which takes time (notice, agenda, meeting, etc.). Additionally, you can’t just “plop” portables anywhere willy-nilly. Careful planning with respect to what will be done in the future, infrastructure, space, access to restrooms, main campus, etc are all pieces of the pie. Displacing Little League is not a decision that comes lightly, I’m sure. But I am shocked that anyone in the community would not be in favor of putting a better educational opportunity for these kids ahead of one more season of a sports program–as worthwhile as it is (Yes–my kids played in CVLL too!). Does it matter where these kids are coming from? The outrage here should be that there aren’t MORE opportunities for these kids! And just for the record, there are NO OTHER high schools in the MDUSD that still allow Little League on their fields. CVCHS held out longer than most.

56 DLS Alumni January 31, 2014 at 7:15 AM

Observing Parent #9 said “CVCHS is aiming to become a sports powerhouse to rival De La Salle.”

DREAM ON! CVCHS could get 9,000 students at that school and still won’t hold a candle to the renowned DLS sporting program. Better to stick with your own for competion (i.e. Concord High, Pittsburg High, Mt. Diablo).


57 Judy January 31, 2014 at 7:29 AM

Seriously people – comparing CVCHS to De La Salle is like comparing Walmart to Saks Fifth Avenue

58 Antler January 31, 2014 at 7:31 AM

Since CVCHS planed to continue growing from the beginning, then they should start a fund to buy land and build a new campus….rather than siphoning off money to throw up some portables and rather than increasing traffic problems in the established neighborhood. Is CNWS land suitable for such a campus….over near the Kirker Pass side so as to remain relatively close to the present neighborhood?

59 Anon January 31, 2014 at 7:32 AM


This is the kind of stuff that I worried about when everyone started cheering for this damn charter school a couple yrs ago, look at whats happened!
I have spoken to a few friends who have kids at CVCHS and they have become totally delusional about what that school is and what it can become in the future…. a bunch of renegade parents running that school, its terrible what they have done to it.

60 Wait for it January 31, 2014 at 7:53 AM

CVCHS is going to become very populated with the ghetto thug kids from Antioch/Pittsburg very soon, wait for it….it will happen.

61 bigdaddy January 31, 2014 at 7:56 AM

#60…whats terrible???? api scores up 63 points, a clean campus, and a much better school than it was when it was part of the sh itty mt diablo unified school district!!!!

62 Chevrolet girl January 31, 2014 at 8:18 AM

My kids attended CVHS and now attend the charter. Making that school a charter was the best thing that could happen. Getting rid of bad teachers and bringing in teachers that actually care about the kids education. The only complaint I have is the parking!

63 Mac January 31, 2014 at 8:22 AM

This is not right.
Let the kids play.

The kids around here don`t have enough they can do as it is.
Don`t take away a piece of what little they do have.

Seems like they could have giving them more warning. (that sucks)

I now see how lucky we were at JOBL to have their own fields.

64 @56 January 31, 2014 at 8:36 AM

It is so untrue Mt. Diablo High(for Concord American), Ygnacio Valley High(for Continental) do allow LittleLeague to play at their fields. Also, Northgate allows Pony League to play there.
Please check the fact before you post wrong information.

65 @61 January 31, 2014 at 8:48 AM

It is already happening, and their football team will be taken over by those kids, too. A lot of them are really good athletes. The school tutor them to make sure they stay on the team also. Again, local kids are shut out !

66 Paul January 31, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Mac – JOBL does not own their fields. They are allowed to use that land by Tesoro. If Tesoro ever wants to expand their refinery, JOBL would have a similar problem.

Youth sports has a very difficult time obtaining and maintaining practice facilities. Land is expensive and based on their financial model, they are forced to beg, borrow, facilities.

In the case of Little League in Claycord, MDUSD has been very helpful over the years. The Leagues do their best to cooperate with the district given their meager funding, they cannot purchase land. These entities are non profits. Every year is a struggle and Little League has to reapply every year for fields. I congratulate the parents who have for 40-50 years have kept this going.

I wish there was an easy answer.

67 @56 January 31, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I don’t disagree with you and we should all take notice. If you look at other big cities they have invested in several large sporting complexes for kids including softball, baseball and soccer. Concord has Willow Pass park and they really need to expand but does Clayton have any sporting complexes?

68 @65 January 31, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Check your facts!! Continental does not use Ygnacio Valley High School.

69 Let the kids play January 31, 2014 at 9:21 AM

@Been Down That Road #56

You are correct about the amount of planning, etc. you posted. My problem is not with the expansion, but with the time frame in displacing CVLL.
When did they decide to expand with the portable classrooms and start the paperwork and reports process, on January 16th? CVCHS told the CVLL Board that they might lose the fields by the end of March.
The MDUSD doesn’t care about input from the community. The page showing this:
“Written comments will be accepted from January 17, 2014, to February 17, 2014. Comments from all
Responsible Agencies are requested. Any person wishing to comment on the Draft Initial
Study/Mitigated Negative Declaration must submit written comments to the following address:” has been revised out of their MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION at the following website, (page 3 of 83):
If CVCHS fails to renew their lease, for whatever reason, the MDUSD gets possession of all the improvements.
Someone please tell me whether this type of report can be started on January 16th and approved by the MDUSD for the start of construction by March 23rd, the planned opening day ceremonies that CVLL had permission from CVCHS to use/rent the Gym.

70 Also a DLS Alum January 31, 2014 at 9:37 AM

@Judy and DLS Alumni – It’s comments such as yours that ignite anger toward DLS. If you’re really “pro” DLS, take the high road and don’t even engage these yokels.

There’s a lot more to DLS than sports. I am alum and my son is a current student. Yes the sports programs are great, though some could argue that the competition is often TOO high. Average kids that have played sports all their lives often have a tough time making a team at DLS, which is sad, but that’s the reality when you have a strong sports program. Some parents/kids choose not to attend DLS because they have a better shot at making a team elsewhere; again, sad but a reality.

That being said, DLS promotes a lot more than just sports: community, brotherhood, spirituality, service, etc. There will always be those sour grapes who love to bash DLS because they’re perceived as the rich kids. (“Retired Cop” and “CVCHS is coming for you” #41, yes I’m talking to you) Sure, there are quite a few “rich kids”, but there are also a lot of kids from middle to lower middleclass families who receive financial aid who are not even involved in the sports programs.

71 Russ January 31, 2014 at 9:42 AM

@ 48 I guess I should have added that I was being sarcastic about the “silly boundary” thing. Karma cares nothing about anything,however.
Having said that, it has to be very disheartening for all of the players to find this out a month before the season starts. Concord American (our league) played CVLL last year and I have nothing but good things to say about the teams, players, coaches, and families from that league.
A solution MUST be found.

72 Mr. Pink January 31, 2014 at 9:43 AM

I spoke to a kid working at Brenden Theater who is a Sr. at CVCHS. It was CVHS during his frosh/soph years and CVCHS for his jr/sr years. His opinion was that there really is very little difference other than the fact that there are less fights now. He said there used to be fights every day and now a fight is rare. He did not feel many of the teachers were that great either. In short, he did not feel CVCHS was a great improvement over CVHS.

73 Let the kids play January 31, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Apparently, the CVCHS attitude towards CVLL is not solely with the Administration.
The article on the Title IX complaint in the Concord Pioneer says part of the complaint is the shared use of the fields with CVLL. The softball teams have to vacate the fields after the have finished their games.
The CVLL players are not allowed to enter the fields until after all the CVCHS players have cleaned out their dugouts of equipment and left the playing area.
CVLL has postponed games and practices whenever there has been a conflict with the CVCHS schedule, whether in regular season or post season.
If Little League is so contentious to High School Programs, why does ABC spend 10s of millions of dollars every year expanding coverage of all the boys and girls post season tournaments? Is it because no one watches or cares? I think not.

74 @Also a DLS Alum January 31, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Calling people “yokels” does take the high road.

75 DLS Alumni January 31, 2014 at 10:00 AM

@71 – totally agreed. You’re right, I should have taken the high road on this. And I also agree with you about the fact that many people outside the DLS community don’t understand that DLS is MUCH more than sports – I was so fortunate to be a part of a community of young men that were taught about community, service, brotherhood. Actually, sports was really not that big of a deal as a student there, we were taught so much more. Many kids do not get the same opportunity as I did, unfortunately.

76 Let the kids play January 31, 2014 at 10:01 AM


You need to check your facts again. The Continental Little League Junior Boys Division, (90′ bases and 60’6″ pitchers mound) uses the Ygnacio Valley High School baseball field.
In fact, the coach last year had the field dragged and prepped before some of the CLL games. He wanted to see what potential talent that the school’s program might have the following year

77 warbirds45 January 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM

DLS Alumni, you are just like the rest of the God Squad, your program was built around the Church, not sports.
GO GOD! The fact that the Catholic church is so corrupt, full of pedophiles and phonies, maybe your sports program is a bright spot!

I saw the recruiter for DLS in North Richmond.

78 Paul January 31, 2014 at 10:10 AM

#69, I believe Continental still uses YV. The Juniors Division has played there for years. Do you know of a change in the last year that is contrary? Continental has paid for improvements to the facility over the years.

Little League also uses the Elementary and Middle School grounds of MDUSD. They take care of the mowing of these fields. The district mows a couple of times per year. Little League has volunteers that mow 2-3 times per month.

79 Coach January 31, 2014 at 10:25 AM

You can still sign up at JOBL in Concord ages 4 and up boys and girls.

80 Also a DLS Alum January 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM

@75. LOL. You’re right.

81 @69 January 31, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Sorry Ygnacio Vallay for some Pony games. Continental uses an elementary school’s field and also Foothill’s. I have kids both in LLand Pony
But my point on the post was to let people know high schools in the district do allow other youth organizations to use their facilities unlike #56 says.
They just need to corporate with each other. Land is very expensive in Bay Area.

82 nytemuvr January 31, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Anyone remember the Little League ball fields when Detroit ended (south end, mid60s) before Whitman Rd. went though to Detroit? I played with the Pirates and Coach Coolie in the 60s? Just wondering….

83 @77, 79 January 31, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Thank you for the correction on YV field. I must have a bad memory…

84 REDUNDANT ALL OVER AGAIN January 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM

@ warbirds45 #78-
Thank you for demonstrating how extreme jealously can affect one’s thinking process. You have provided us a community service.
So sorry you’re suffering from brain-rot.

85 @Judy #58 January 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Which is Walmart & which is Saks Fifth??

86 Kirkwood January 31, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I have only passing interest in the topic of this thread, but has anybody else noticed the general quality of the text in the posts here compared to most other threads?

87 Observing Parent January 31, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Public schools have a long tradition of opening up their facilities to youth groups. A lot of Concord American Little League parents don’t realize that their fields are on Mt. Diablo HIgh School property. When my kids played youth sports we often practiced on a number of different public school fields and sometimes played our official games on school fields. Loma Vista on Cowell Rd is MDUSD property . Those fields are always being used for organized sports. Wasn’t the gym at Diablo View MS a joint venture with the town of Clayton? Aren’t the fields at El Dorado MS that are used for youth sports some kind of Concord/MDUSD partnership?

The truth is there is a huge shortage of playing fields for youth sports. Finding places to practice is always a problem for coaches. Finding other fields on such short notice is going to be difficult if not impossible.

Our public schools are paid for with our tax dollars. They exist to benefit the youth of our community, just as the non-profit sports leagues do. Why shouldn’t they work together and share facilities benefit the children of our community? It’s part of a long and proud tradition in America.

CVCHS is paid for with our tax dollars, too. Too bad they no longer want to be a part of the tradition of partnering with youth sports groups to make our community a better place for our children.

88 CVCHS Mom January 31, 2014 at 12:28 PM

@ Mr. Pink
I live with a Senior at CVCHS, my daughter. She has a completely different opinion. She has been there for all 4 years of highschool as well and she sees a HUGE change. There are less fights, this is true, and that is because the students now take pride in their school and show respect for each other. We happen to live very close to the school and let me tell you, there are teachers and faculty that are there working at all hours, nights and weekends. It was never like that before. My daughter is very involved in the the school both athletically and scholastically and the support she gets in all areas continues to impress and honestly, suprise the heck out of me. Not sure how teachers who are “not that great” have somehow helped the school’s test scores improve so drastically, but it has happened. We LOVE CVCHS!!!

89 Mr. Pink January 31, 2014 at 12:47 PM


I’m happy to hear that. I did not mean to imply that the opinion of the boy I spoke to was the universal opinion, just one that I’d heard. It’s nice to hear that CVCHS has some dedicated, caring teachers. More schools would benefit from a few more of their ilk.

90 mamatosix January 31, 2014 at 1:00 PM

I am all for education. There are fields all over that CVLL can use. It is about time that educating our children is the priority. Thank you CVCHS for stepping up and doing what needed to be done so long ago.. educating our children first.
CVLL has a great board and group of parents and I have faith that they will find a great alternative.

91 Audrey January 31, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Go over to PHBA (Pleasant Hill Baseball / Softball Association).

92 Jess January 31, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Maybe Dave “Shoe” Shuey and the Clayton town council ought to speak up. Weren’t they the ones who gave the two CV teachers the money they needed to get the charter effort off the ground when they couldn’t even get the rest of the CV teachers interested enough to pitch in $50 each? Where are they now that CVCHS is kicking their Little League off the campus to make room for new kids that aren’t from Clayton or even the school’s attendance area?

93 See Jane January 31, 2014 at 2:33 PM

@Kirkwood 87
Yes, the comments are, for the most part, civil. Hooray for civility!

94 Anon2you January 31, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Wow, some people are just idiots, I am just constantly amazed by this fact and maybe that makes me an idiot too (when will I learn)
Most of the families in Clayton and Concord area who have children who attend CVCHS have either had a child or know children who went through CVLL. Most of us have watched and enjoyed games there, cleaned and maintained those fields, worked in the Snack Shack, coached or helped in some way the CVLL. None of us want those fields to go away for some arbitrary reason. BUT if it is necessary to do, then that is it. If you read some of the previous comments you can see they are obviously written by people who have an agenda against CVCHS! You just couldn’t wait for something like this to come up so you could complain. I don’t believe any of you haters know the people you are disrespecting, i.e. Pat Middendorf, Dave Shuey or the others who are committed to the youth in Claycord, and took time, energy and made extreme personal and professional sacrifices to create CVCHS. I for one will trust that this is necessary for the greater good of the community. There ARE other ballparks that are suitable for CVLL, like Clayton Community Park, Boatwright Fields, as well as the numerous Elementary and Middle school fields that surround the area. These fields, in fact, may ultimately benefit for the loss of the CVCHS fields. Maybe the CVLL families will devote their time and effort into these other fields to give them a bit of TLC, that the MDUSD cannot provide, thus creating a better opportunity for the community to benefit from CVLL as a partner in the community. Change is not always easy or enjoyable, but it always happens…

95 @kirkwood January 31, 2014 at 3:54 PM

It’s because this story isn’t about crime or politics. Those stories always bring out the Claycord nut-jobs.

96 anonymous January 31, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Well, if the parents at CVCHS, the ED, Administrator and Board President (all mentioned in the Pioneer article) think that bringing in more students this quickly is going to help the school, wow! Apparently, the school had a larger population many years before Chartering. It dwindled, they Chartered and now they are going to “bus” in more kids. Get ready for the daily school fights, get ready for the neighbor complaints about the loitering, and get ready for the infrastructure to crumble as the school slowly burns through the money they currently have and the “fistfulls” of cash they expect to get with enlarging the population. They ALL have a hand in this. They ALL decided to keep CVLL in the dark while they snuck around to figure out where to put the “portables”. This has nothing to do with education at CVCHS. If it did, they would expand slowly, realize that baseball also give kids an education (albeit different than a textbook), and give CVLL at least a years notice (i.e. next season you have no fields here). You reap what you sow. I hope I’m wrong, but i think CVCHS will be an experiment gone wrong within ten years with a lot of empty portable buildings, a weird football field and no decent softball field for the girls team. BTW, does anyone know who filed the Title IX case? Maybe a disgruntled teacher or ex-coach? What’s the cover up there?

97 Are you kidding January 31, 2014 at 4:21 PM

This just amazes me, only this week they (CVCHS) wanted everyone to come to a community meeting too show support for the new changes to the Football Field, bleachers, snack shack etc. No mention was made about this at all. I would think that this would have a huge impact on the surrounding neighborhood, not to mention our community. Just where are these additional kids coming from? What happens to our softball fields? What happens to Falcons Youth Football & Cheer? It sounds like alot more people are going to be effected by this than is being stated here. Unfortunately there can always be to much of a good thing, you have to have moderation and be good to your neighbors or it will bite you in the butt

98 @anon2you January 31, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It is NOT necessary for the CVLL facilities to go away. CVCHS made the CHOICE to increase enrollment so they could admit more students from outside their attendance area. CVCHS made the CHOICE to demolish the CVLL facilities to place portables on that location on the campus. CVCHS made the CHOICE not to work with CVLL to find a way to make the situation work for both organizations.

99 adingoatemybaby January 31, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Fine, take the fields and build rooms. Education is critical for our future. Just make sure to support CVLL as they are a volunteer organization with limited funds. They spend a lot of their savings each season to upkeep those fields and being evicted is a brutal option for a 40 year partner, especially at this point in the new season.

This can be a win-win for the school as those little kids playing ball look to their future high school to do the right thing.

100 @kirkwood (#87) January 31, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Yes, it’s a different demographic. They’re pretty literate. They understand. There’s nobody blathering like Random Task or Always Right, et. al.

101 A parent January 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Mr. Shuey is also a board member in CVLL, he can make anything happen.
I have total confidence in him. If he can not do it, nobody else can.
I was sad to hear CVLL was losing their “Home” at first, but after I read the article on Clayton Pioneer about the softball situation, I understand this(CVLL losing the current set-up) will happen eventually any way since the biggest issue in the situation seems to be girls softball sharing the fields with CVLL.
I am sure CVLL board members are working hard(some of the people do not even have kids in CVLL any more.) to make sure kids will have another great season.
The only sad thing is though that people in different situation only support their side. This should be a community effort. Even though my kids were not going to CVCHS, I signed the petition a few years ago, because I thought it would be a good thing to the community, but after I read so many negative comments from CVCHS parents against CVLL, I must admit I regret signing it…
Why don’t we work together as a community ?

102 Atticus Thraxx January 31, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I don’t have a dog in the fight but if I could pipe in. Have you guys considered civil disobedience? Shouldn’t be hard to find out when the trailers are coming. 80-100 of you camp out on the fields the night before and they won’t be able to move them in. Local press will get wind of it, maybe some t.v. time. Between players, parents, friends, you should be able to pull 75-80 people, right?
It’s baseball for chrissake. There ought to be a law.
Bring buckets and sandbags for the sprinklers.

Free Connie Dobbs

103 Master of Fields January 31, 2014 at 8:21 PM

With all the youth sports available and predominant in this town, I find it humorous that some of those here say ” there are fields all around Here that CVLL can play on”. You folks are sadly and very much out of touch. You can easily google map our city and point, point , point at fields and parks. Do you folks realize that there is a HUGE movement going on where parents are putting their kids in 1 sport all year long? That means there are lots of soccer options from house to select to club offered ALL year long. There are travel baseball teams going on all year as we’ll. These travel teams rent fields, gladly cash the parents checks and when they are not renting CCP or Concord fields they drag their teams to tournaments all over. When those that depend the revenue for using such fields have to decide on allowing a seasonal program to grant use VERSUS a year long program it’s a no-brainier.
Little League is a seasonal sport. With that, every penny goes back into the league. It sounds as though CVLL will cover the loss of the 3 fields they are losing this year but I doubt it’s as easy as finding a backstop. There are a lot of safety issues, accessibility issues not to mention their challengers division.
Just because you see a field, don’t think it’s that easy to plan, prepare for and run practices & games for over 600 kids.

For those that call out for the collective to work together on this, good on YOU! The community is much stronger united, than divided.

At the end of the day, the focus should be on the kids. Ages 4-18.

104 @atticus February 1, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Atticus, It will be too late by the time they bring in the trailers. The fields will already be demolished. The Contra Costa Times won’t cover it because it doesn’t play into their long running story that CVCHS is run by wonderful caring people who are sacrificing their lives to care for the innocent little children while MDUSD administrators are evil lying monsters who eat babies for breakfast.

Fact is, this wouldn’t have happened if CV was still part of MDUSD because the people who run MDUSD, the board of education, are elected officials who are ultimately responsible to the voters in our community. The people who run CVCHS are not elected by us and can’t be held accountable by us even tho the school is a public school and paid for with tax dollars. They can get away with crap like this and there’s nothing we can do about it.

105 @adingoatemybaby February 1, 2014 at 10:11 AM

It’s not about education. It’s about increasing the size of the school so that more of their teams are Division 1 and they can get better players. Read the articles in the Clayton Pioneer. The administrators and coaches are salivating over it. Notice that there is nothing in the article about how bringing in more students from outside the area is going to make the school any better educationally – because it’s not going to make the school better educationally. It’s all about the sports.

106 Big Brown February 1, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Thank you so much @adingoatemybaby. Finally, someone said exactly what this is all about. It’s always about the sports. Saying it’s for education is their way of making the community think that they are doing a good thing by throwing CVLL off the fields. It helps them sleep better at night

107 Observing February 1, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Can anybody say “Brown Act violation”? Something this significant should have been publicly posted in advance and discussed at a governing board meeting, right? Any lawyers among the CVLL parents?

108 @A parent 102 February 1, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Perhaps CVCHS should have taken the $1000 bonuses that they gave to every employee and used the money to build a nice new field for girls softball. They could have left the Little League field alone. Most importantly, they could have recognized that their primary mission is to be the best neighborhood school they can be, not to bring in lots of kids from outside their boundaries so they can make the school into a regional sports giant.

109 anon February 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Seems to me with the impact to the neighborhood there should be some type of study, Traffic Report or EIR? or something along those lines that would have to be approved by the Concord City Council. Then the effected neighbors would have a chance for imput. This should not be a unilateral decision.

110 education February 1, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Not too many people mentioned this here, but CVCHS is expanding the football facility ,too. Not only adding the seating(which is fine, more tickets, more money for the school unless all the profits are going to sports program…), they will have an additional building to connect the football field to the black top area or at least half way to the black top area(I saw the requested plan on Mt. Diablo Unified School website).
As you know if you have been there CVLL’s Minor A field is right next to the football field, so it is “in the way”.
They need to get rid of Minor A field in order to complete this football facility project.
I know they need portable buildings to have more students, but those do not need be there particularly, they could be in black top area as they used to be.
I do not think CVLL is the only one who will be impacted by this project, girls softball is losing their two main fields(the third one the school is keeping is too small for softball.), and I believe cheerleading teams(I am not sure if they are high school teams or youth teams) are loosing a place to practice, too.
Do they really have to do this for the football program ?? Where will the girls softball new field(s) be ? The only open space left is between two baseball fields.
The school has a lot of explanations to do to the community. They need to include all the plans they are planning to do not just portable buildings project.

111 LLCoach February 1, 2014 at 2:56 PM

excessive pride or self-confidence.
synonyms: arrogance, conceit, haughtiness, hauteur, pride, self-importance, egotism, pomposity, superciliousness, superiority; informalbig-headedness, cockiness
“the hubris among the CVCHS board is incredible”

112 Observing February 1, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Wow, so a big chunk of that extra money MDUSD had to fork over to them and a big chunk of their share of bond money is going towards their athletic programs, not towards educating the students. What a disgrace. Every once in a while I read the minutes from the CVCHS governing board meetings, such as they are. (A lot seems to be decided outside of the official meetings.). A while back one of the board members brought up the possibility that spending so much money on sports was going to make the school look bad. Needless to say, his was the minority opinion.

113 education February 1, 2014 at 4:12 PM

It seems like it, the football program will get a nice building first before permanent classrooms will be built.
The school needs more students to go up to Divisin One, so they quickly need portable buildings.
Needing space for portable buildings is just an excuse, the real reason they need the space(where CVLL fields are) is their state of art football complex.
Very disappointing…

114 warbirds45 February 1, 2014 at 4:14 PM

What about the property on the corner of Pine Hollow and Ygnacio?
Could ball fields be located there?
Does the college / UC system own that parcel of land?
Is it possible to use the soccer fields off Pine Hollow?

Speaking of sports

115 Mr. Rate February 1, 2014 at 7:59 PM

@warbirds45 – Are you talking about that swampy creek area next to Rattlesnake Hill?

116 Parent of CV Student Player February 1, 2014 at 10:18 PM

CVCHS trying to be like DLS? Ya right… For you to do that, you need to be Division 1 school, and they’re not going to do that. Clayton Valley won’t move up, because their won’t win in the bigger division. Be the big fish in little sea… You don’t need more students, NCS needs to lower the attendance minimum to 1975…

117 Parent of CV Student Player February 1, 2014 at 10:26 PM

They will make new softball fields for the Clayton Valley team, count on it. They made the finals last year, so that will give them leverage, even though they should have won.
I still believe if you want to be a Charter School, you should fund it yourself, not take it from MDUSD money. You are on your own, so WE (the school) should provide our ways of maintaining it (charge tuition) to the students

118 @Parent of CV Player February 2, 2014 at 1:15 AM

The cutoff for becoming a Division 1 school is 2000 students. According to the article in the Clayton Pioneer, they are going to increase their enrollment by 300 next year, which will put them at about 2300. All of their teams will be D1 the year after that. Why do you think they’re spending so much money upgrading their athletic facilities?

It was obvious right from the start that one of the main reasons they became a charter was to become a sports powerhouse. CV’s athletic director was the driving force in turning the school into a charter. Now she’s the director of operations, where she is in charge of upgrading the athletic facilities.

119 . February 2, 2014 at 7:22 AM

I see cvchs folding in the next 5 years….

120 @120 February 2, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Thank you for the good information. Now I understand why this whole thing is happening at CVCHS

121 . February 2, 2014 at 10:25 AM


And now I see that she has a Title IX complaint filed against the school. Never been able to trust her.

122 . February 2, 2014 at 10:31 AM


Traffic will be a bi****. I hope the city council doesn’t just cave.

123 . February 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM


That describes them PERFECTLY!

124 Let the kids play February 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Will CVCHS still allow their coaches softball travel team to use their fields as they are doing today using the schools equipment ? Do they have to pay for permits and help maintain the fields?

125 Let the kids play February 2, 2014 at 11:01 AM

@anon #111

You would think this should be done. Why then did the MDUSD strike the page for the football field improvements for write in comments and questions.

Where was the Claycord community when St. Bonneventure’s started raising funds to build a school and the neighborhood community shut it down because they felt the detriment to the neighborhood was greater than education for the kids?

126 Observing February 2, 2014 at 11:46 AM

This should be a real wake-up call to the Clayton community. Now they know what kind of people are running that school. Not that it matters. There’s nothing they can do about it. State ed. Code makes it practically impossible to revoke a charter. I don’t think it’s ever been done with a conversion of an existing school like Clayton Valley Charter.

CV was a “teacher trigger” charter. That means it was the school’s teachers which forced it to become a charter. State ed. Code allowed the teachers to determine the composition of the governing board. Like every other teacher trigger conversion, the teachers choose to allocate the seats so that the employees would have control over the school, not the parents. Parents have less than half the seats on the Board. The community at large has no say at all in how the school is run because there isn’t any publicly elected school board to supervise what goes on there. You’d think that the public would have some say in the way a taxpayer-funded, neighborhood public school is run, but they don’t. It’s a crying shame, but that’s the way it is.

127 @Anyway #128 February 2, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Not true. Read the previous comments. MDUSD schools do allow area Little Leagues and other youth sports groups to use their facilities.

128 @128 February 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

CVCHS baseball fields are shared with Clayton Valley Pony League even. Three high school teams(Freshmen, JV, Varsity) and three pony league teams share the two baseball fields.

129 Let the kids play February 2, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Like the travel softball team, the Pony League is run by a CVCHS coach.

130 @Let the kids play February 2, 2014 at 2:17 PM

I am not sure if it is a good thing or not. What is your opinion ? If travel ball teams are run by high school coaches, they are normally more affordable so more kids have chance. My kids are on a travel team and they are very expensive !

131 Let the kids play February 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM


I don’t think that have high school coaches make travel ball in any sport more affordable than most others. The costs of tournaments and the travel involved, as well as facilities time costs are quite expensive.
Club volleyball can run as much as $5,000.00 as an example. There are plenty of high school coaches that require players to play off season for their sports.
Bob Ralston used to run 2 legion teams during the old CVHS off season. He never did anything detrimental as far as I knew in telling kids either play legion or not at CVHS.
There were complaints against Kiko Garcia at Carondolet that he supposedly told some of the softball girls to play ASA in their off season or not bother with the HS the following season.
The biggest problem I see with young players today in HS sports is that when a coach sees real talent in a kid for a particular sport, they seem to go out of there way to pigeon hole them to that sport throughout the HS days. I have always believed that the younger kids get to experience as many sports as their parents can afford both financially as well as time wise. They need to find out what they like best before HS chooses for them.

132 Master of Fields February 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM

@128. Glad you are sending your children to school because it’s obvious that you did not attend. If you had, you would have read the prior posts versus doing a “seagull”,,,, flying overhead and pooping.

133 Parent of CV Student Player February 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM

In soccer, if you play travel ball (who is usually the JV or Varsity coach) they won’t look at you for HS soccer team. I have seen players who made Varsity, because they played travel ball with the HS Coach… Goes the same with the softball and other sports. Kiko is somewhat right, even though he is a tool. He runs a BUSINESS with KG Hitters, just like The Bears, Sorcerers, and others.

134 @Let the kids play February 2, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Clayton Valley Pony is indeed much more affordable than my son’s Pony team in one of other East Bay cities. Since my son was not going to CVCHS, we did not sign up for Clayton Valley Pony and went elsewhere.
My son’s team was run by paid coaches(none of them was a high school coach.)
Another Pony team I knew was run by local high school coaches, that one was also affordable.
I however agree with you on that kids should have as much experience as they can if parents can do so for them.
I also have seen before my eyes that when a high school coach finds a talent, they go out of their way. It is almost scary. Too much pressure on kids.

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