The Water Cooler – Sexual Harassment by First Grader

December 13, 2013 12:00 pm · 59 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

In Colorado, a first grader was suspended for two days and a sexual harassment infraction was placed on his record (it was later taken off) after he kissed first grade girl on the hand and on the cheek.

Did the school overreact by suspending the little boy, or did the punishment fit the “crime”?

Talk about it….

{ 59 comments }

1 A liberal December 13, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Sexual violence is rampant among the first-grade set… it’s horrible, packs of 6 year old boys roam the playgrounds of every school in the nation looking for little girls to savagely rape and murder… WE MUST STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

2 Unbelievable! December 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Oh good God. What is this world coming to? Now you get more punishment for kkissing someone than you do for beating them up!!!!!
We are all going to Hell

3 RCC December 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

1st grade….come on…ridiculous. Yes I think it was a bit of an overreaction.

4 Anon777 December 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Overreaction!

5 Noj December 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The deballing of the American male coninues right under your dumb noses.

6 California Nightmare December 13, 2013 at 12:19 PM

looks like Colorado has its own nightmare in progress. They voted to legalize marijuana use, and now this.

What is next? Requiring boys to hand out Valentines Day cards to other boys, so as not to discriminate?

Parents need to stand up against the radical left wing agenda in the public schools here in California and also in Colorado.

7 Marlene December 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

This is just too far out of control! Schools over-react to the crappiest things. A First Grader!? How old is that child? What thoughts are there besides video games and tv?

8 ms.v December 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM

a kiss doesn’t mean the same thing to a first grader as it does to us grown ups. the school totally over reacted.

9 MadMom December 13, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Ridiculous! What is wrong with this school? Over reacting for sure!

10 Tina December 13, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Unbelievable over-reaction by the school.

11 Dutch December 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

It was a total over reaction (liberal trait) of the situation.

12 Anonymous December 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

A huge problem,this. I hope Senator Mark DeSaulnier sets up a task force to deal with similiar problems and to encourage constructive conversations. Maybe a “listening tour” could be arranged.

13 Shelley December 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM

The school overreacted, and then some. This is ridiculous.

14 Mrs. T December 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Absolutely ridiculous! Shame on this school!!

15 Anonymous December 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

FIRST OF ALL: there aren’t enough details in this story to make a fair judgement – had the boy been harassing this girl beforehand? Was he warned about his behavior? Did he innocently give her a peck on the cheek/hand – or was he forceful in his actions? If this was anything beyond a “stealing a kiss” attempt, I would suspect that the boy has been sexually abused and hope the administration would investigate that possibility.

16 BreakingJen December 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Well based on the lack of information in the question, I of course would call this an overreaction. However, having actually read details of this situation, I do not believe it was an overreaction. This little boy was ignoring this little girls request for his behavior to stop. She complain to her teacher and then her mother. Her mother had to help teach her how to ask him to stop and he still didn’t. Finally after nothing would stop him from running up and kissing and hugging her when she asked him not to, the school got involved. Personally, I think this little boy was just taught that it’s always ok to kiss a girl, even when she says no, as long as most people would thinks its acceptable. So no, with all of the facts this is not an overreaction at all.

17 Horse'n Around December 13, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I would like to know how the parents reacted to this. If both of the kids parents thought of it as no big deal, then the school should never of been involved.

18 OhYeah? December 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

He might as well learn it now rather than later.
From interviews I’ve seen with his mother, she
sees nothing wrong with his behavior. My sister
and I were tormented by the neighbor’s boys who
were constantly trying to kiss and hug us, against
our wishes. It did not leave us unscarred. My
sister cried all the way to the bus stop because
of their harassment, and there was nothing I could
do to help her. They made our lives miserable.
Some people just don’t get it.

19 All in a Name/Stereotype December 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

And now it becomes blatantly obvious where the name “Libtard” comes from.

20 Kirkwood December 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM

“Did the school overreact by suspending the little boy, or did the punishment fit the “crime”?

On the face of it – no, but there is more to the story. The boy had harassed her many times by sneaking up and kissing her and she informed her parents. The boy had been a discipline problem in the past and the school has a zero tolerance rule against unwanted touching. The real problem is all of the zero tolerance rules that many schools have to keep the burden of liability off school management. We have the legal profession to thank for that.

21 @California Nightmare December 13, 2013 at 1:14 PM

@California Nightmare:

I have noticed your posts and they are always political. Maybe you should stay on the ‘Politics’ thread on this site?

Also, if you hate California so much, maybe you should do us all a favor and MOVE!

Idiot!

22 California Nightmare December 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM

@BreakingJen Thanks for offering us insight into the workings of the liberal mind. Please further explain why you think classifying this as “Sexual Harrassment” makes sense.

23 Yhe Phantom December 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Anonymous December 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM
“FIRST OF ALL: there aren’t enough details in this story to make a fair judgement – had the boy been harassing this girl beforehand?”

Yes he has, and he has been admonished several times. The little girl does not like it and he won’t stop…the rest of the story.

If the media covered the news in the old way, instead of deliberately leaving important information out, this would be a non story…yet annoying and irritating is not SEXUAL harassment.

Ridiculous Overcharging, but suspension is appropriate to get his “cute” little attention.

24 unknown December 13, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Just plain crazy. This is what happens with to many government rules. No common sense.

25 ReallyRidiculous December 13, 2013 at 1:40 PM

I thought this story was so ridiculous. Why does everything these days become such a big deal. We over react to EVERYTHING. The US is becoming a nation of overly dramatic nincompoops. Let’s look forward to gaining some common sense somehow while the world laughs at us and shakes its head. Too stupid.

26 BreakingJen December 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

@ California Nightmare – I’m not even sure why I am responding, your obvious attitude and hostility are already showing and you are obviously just looking to attack me, but sure why not dive in. This is my personal thinking, I am not claiming to represent an entire political party so stop putting words into my mouth.

This is harassment as the girl asked this behavior to stop on several occastions. Unwanted touching of anyone’s body is not ok, but when the behavior is specifically called out as unwanted and does not stop, it can reach a point.

Now here is my question for you, if you had a 5 year old daughter who came home from school upset everyday for 15 days due to a boy chasing her and hugging her and kissing her, at what point would you expect help from the school in stopping the behavior? Or is your expectation that your daughter simply accept the fact she isnt allowed to tell a boy, regardless of his age, that she doesnt want him touching her body?

27 @ BreakingJen December 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I was going to type a long response to this story, but then read that you had pretty much summed up my thoughts.

If this had been the first time the boy had done this, then total overreaction on the school’s part, HOWEVER, this was not the first time. The girl had asked the boy to stop. Her parents had asked for it to stop, and yet it continued.

I think the “Sexual Harassment” mark that went into his file was an overreaction, but still, he had been warned.

28 Willard December 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

In 1st grade the teachers would force the boys to hold hands with the girls on our way down to the cafeteria to pick up a red wagon full of milk cartons for the class. This would probably be considered sexual harassment nowadays.

29 Dorothy December 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Maybe he has been doing this since kindergarten? Considering what parents allow kids to watch on TV and see at the movies, even a 1st grade kid could already have passed beyond the “play doctor” stage.

Still, it was an over-reaction and not worth putting on a permanent record unless there had been previous incidents of like nature and other problems with the boy.

30 just me December 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

One thing I can take away from this story…don’t just read the title of a story read the story.

As has been mentioned this boy had had issues with the girl before including kissing her. He also had other behavior issues and I think he had been suspended before from the school. Read the story before you make a judgment.

The bigger is issue in my mind overreaction of the parent by demanding her child be back in school rather than accepting her child has a problem and getting help with the problem. The mother ran to the media rather than trying to get to the bottom of the issue and seeking help for her child’s behavioral issues….this sadly is probably just the beginning of problems for this child.

31 Take Your Choice December 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Did the world become this screwed up because way too many lawyers were spawned an loser in court case doesn’t have to pay all costs, that includes lawyer and client ?
Or is it the ability of liberals to go from zero to full blown panic in about .25 milliseconds ?

32 Ernie December 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Oh, woe! I’d be in “the can” I guess since I stole a kiss from my Kindergarten sweetheart, way back when. I shake my head on this poor little guy who has kissed her twice because he thinks she’s cute. Poor kid! And, to Ananymous and Oh Yeah, there are ways to stop all of this, but definitely not putting this on this boy’s records and kicking him out of school for two days. The teacher and the administrator definitely over-reacted and that’s all there is to it.

Bah hum bug to those who never had a life growing up.

33 PO'd December 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

A 1st grader can’t sexually harass anybody!!

34 Anon December 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The amount of stupidity in this country is too damn high!!

35 anon December 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Just because Administrators have college degrees doesn’t mean they have common sense.

36 I remember third grade December 13, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I had a girl (yes, I am a guy) chase me around the playground at every recess trying to kiss me. This went on for nearly the entire school year.

At no point would ANYBODY have ever dreamed of calling it sexual harassment, including me or my parents. I don’t know what’s happening to America, but the change is NOT a positive one.

37 Concordejet December 13, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Okay is hugging harrastment?????????? unless you did not ask her if you can hug her. we have “hugs’ day I would like to know if hug is gonna be a harassment under school rules????????? Yes very overacting come on!!!!! What this?????? a public catholic school????????

38 Miss Ranchogirl December 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

this is a totally ridiculous incident and just proves how weird our state is.
first grader and sexual assault????

39 Read the whole story..... December 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

and you’ll see it was more than an innocent little peck. The kid was harrassing the little girl for months, he and his family were warned on numerous occasions. Apparemntly they thought it was “cute”, until the girl’s family had enough

40 Elwood December 13, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Absolutely flipping ridiculous!

41 Walnut Creek Resident December 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I am sorry for the little boy and his mother. This is bad for everyone and I hope that other institutions do not follow Colorado’s lead. Colorado sure does has a lot of problems anyway especially after today’s shooting at a school. Way to go good old Colorado.

42 OhYeah? December 13, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Its never OK to force yourself on someone
who doesn’t want the attention. I don’t care
how old you are.

43 Howard K Mullins III December 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I bet if he kissed a little boy at school they’d say he was “expressing” himself.

44 Atticus Thraxx December 13, 2013 at 6:03 PM

How would ya’ll would react if it was another boy he was kissing? I’m just curious.

45 Antler December 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

When I was in second grade, one of my classmates behaved like that toward almost all the girls at recess. He otherwise was not a troublemaker. So Miss Crawford started separating the girls and boys at recess.

Problem solved? NO. Then he started kissing girls in the classroom. So then the teacher put a chair up beside her desk and everytime he kissed one of us, he would have to sit in that chair with a sign around his neck that said “Kissing Gus” . The teacher also started calling on him using the name “Kissing Gus”, so of course the rest of us did too every time we thought we were out of earshot of a grow up…..along with pointing at him, giggling, and turning away. The boys in the class treated him ths same way.

That perhaps was not a stellar way to treat a little boy who AT THAT AGE was guilty only of over-exuberance and not knowing the right way to make friends, but it did teach him to STOP when someone said STOP!!! One big difference in the stories is that “Kissing Gus’s” parents had been in conference with the teacher and the principal and realized how disruptive their son was being with such “pre-bullying” behavior. Evidently they worked extra hard at home with him so that he soon knew the proper WORDS to use to show friendship.

“Kissing Gus” went on to be awarded a Morehead scholarship to the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, and he became a respected orthopedist.

In the current incident (and as I read the backstory), this young boy will not fare so well as Gus unless someone finds a way to get through to his PARENTS so that their attitude changes and they agree to get counseling for their son. Since nothing else was working, perhaps the suspension will function as a 2×4 to get the parents’ full attention!

46 Teacher Wannabe December 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM

@Anonomous, read the story. The girl didn’t mind. It was an innocent action. Not like he did this constantly or had been warned, forcing his attention on all the girls. Just the one girl. The school was totally out wrong.

47 Spider December 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Oh, face it! The kid is evil … A bad seed. He has no respect for the little girl and her feelings. She didn’t want him bothering her. What part of that don’t you understand.

48 Anonymous December 13, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Dont let DeSaulnier know about this. He will issue a press release, sponsor a small tax and introduce legislation.

49 California Nightmare December 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM

@BreakingJen. You did not really answer the question. Why would you think a 1st grader should be charged with “sexual harassment?”

Why would you want to impose your adult politically correct standards of behavior on a 6 year old?

Makes no sense.

50 OhYeah? December 13, 2013 at 9:12 PM

It sounds to me that some of you
would find a way to defend the
behavior of those who gang raped
in Richmond. How do you think that
kind of license begins? Having been
in the little girls position, I believe
since his parents won’t teach him
not to bother little girls, the school
must. It has nothing whatsoever to
do with “showing affection.” He needs
to learn that some little girls don’t
want him pawing her.

51 OhYeah? December 13, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Thank you @BreakingJen!

52 Me December 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

This is nothing like the gang tape in Richmond! Not even close! Thats ridiculous to even mention. Kids used to be taught to stand up for themselves. Until we allow first graders to vote, maybe they should be held to a different standard than the rest of us.

53 Craig December 13, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Comparing this to the gang rape in Richmond is quite the stretch. Perhaps this little boy made the little girl feel uncomfortable, but I doubt it was sexual harassment.

He probably was bothering her, but when I was a kid it would’ve been referred to picking on someone.

54 Dr. Jellyfinger December 13, 2013 at 10:55 PM

I was gang taped once. I was in the 5th grade tho. They left me on a stop sign overnight. You never realize how many people just run the stop signs until you spend some real time just watching.

55 Jess December 14, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Read this article. It was not a case of two innocent kisses. It was repeated instances of unwanted touching over a period of time. She had repeatedly told him to stop. No child should have to put up with that. The boy had been counseled. His parents had been involved. It was a pattern of unacceptable behavior that lead to the suspension, not just one or two innocent kisses. Even the boy’s mother felt the suspension was justified. Her objection was having “sexual harassment” as part of his school record. The school district agreed to remove the term.

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/news/canoncity-local-news/ci_24702103/mother-girl-involved-kissing-discipline-speaks-out

56 nytemuvr December 14, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Isn’t a school a place to learn those social morals,ethics and the As, Bs, and Cs? Hell they would have thrown me out of Meadow Homes for my atrocities interacting with the fairer sex in the 60s.

57 Bill Clinton December 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I used to get a lot of action at high school (up until a couple months ago when the police warned me to stay the hell away).

58 Antler December 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Jess at #55……. Thank you for the link with clarification of mother’s attitude, as that was not my first understanding.

59 BreakingJen December 15, 2013 at 1:13 PM

@California Nightmare Well I can’t help if you don’t understand my logic, I’m pretty sure I clearly explained my thinking. Sorry if I didn’t provide something you could easily argue against or spin. You also didn’t answer my question, at what point would you want assistance in keeping someone from touching your child when they didn’t want to be touched? Or is your expectation that a child, regardless of gender or age, has no ownership over their body and are supposed to let people just keep touching them? When would you consider it a problem, where is your line??

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