BART Releases Negotiation Calendar – Issues Brief Statement on Unions

September 22, 2013 9:29 am · 31 comments

BART has released an updated calendar of labor negotiations as well as a brief statement on the how far apart they remain from the unions.

The release is below:

The following schedule has been developed by the mediator facilitating labor negotiations between BART and its 2 largest unions.  All sessions will take place at the Caltrans Building located at 111 Grand Ave in Oakland.
All sessions will begin at 9:30am unless otherwise noted.

The term “generals” means BART will negotiate with both ATU and SEIU the general provisions of the contract (this is where the economics are discussed and negotiated: wages, pension, and medical contributions).  The term “supplementals” means BART with negotiate with one specified union the contract provisions which impact only that specified union.

September 23, Generals
September 24, ATU Supplementals, 10am.
September 25, Generals
September 26, SEIU-ATU caucus day
September 27, Generals, 1:00pm.
September 28, ATU Supplementals, 10:30am
September 29, SEIU Supplementals
September 30, ATU-SEIU optional caucus day, otherwise Generals
October 1, Generals
October 2, Generals
October 3, Generals
October 4, Generals
October 5, optional day (on call of the mediator)
October 6, day of rest
October 7, Generals
October 8, Generals
October 9, Generals
October 10, Generals

“BART is 100% committed to reaching a fair and reasonable contract agreement,” said BART Spokesman Rick Rice. “This calendar provides ample meeting time to reach a deal and avoid a strike as long as union leadership is committed to negotiating a sustainable contract.  BART’s current offer is a 10% wage increase over 4 years with a very reasonable pension and medical contribution by employees.  Unions are asking for a 17% wage increase over 3 years with includes a fully reimbursed pension contribution and small increases to the $92 per month flat rate they currently pay for medical coverage.”

“We remain $112 million apart.  BART is looking for the unions to make the same type of movement BART has shown with its offer progression in order to get the deal done,” said Rice.

1 JJ September 22, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Sad, but all of managements actions have proven they’re not interested in negotiations. They’ve been holding 2,500+ working families hostage since July. They’ve already gone backwards last 2 contracts, after surplus after surplus. .. I blame the recklessness of the Board of Directors. The media is just now seeing through the BS that management puts out. You can only give so many numbers that are never the same to realize that somethings not as it seems. Can’t blame the GM, she’s temporary, they hired her after being fired from Seattle, give her lifetime tax payer paid retirement after 2 years (which is up, so we’re paying for her for the rest of her life), and hired a union buster (at more than the cost of the GM for part time work).. Do we hear Bay Area residents money being sucked away to French companies (Veolia) for people that do not live or care about Bay Area workers and families? All big stupid, especially when your realize how BART uses its money. There needs to be an Audit.

2 Anon September 22, 2013 at 10:01 AM

They make $100K and are demanding a 10% increase. They should be happy with the !00K.

3 Don P. N.Concord September 22, 2013 at 10:18 AM

What will it take for them all to be fired? We need to can alll these unskilled underperforming self enititled losers and start fresh with a sustainalbe plan

4 B A R T September 22, 2013 at 11:12 AM

How about suggesting some new choice acronyms for our transit union friends. I’ll start..

B = bad, A = a$$, R = rapacious, T = twits

5 Fire All Of Them! September 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

The unions are the problem. They claim safety is their primary concern. This is clearly not true. BART has one of the best safety records for a transit agency. The only want more money and they can use they’re ability to disrupt bay area commuters in an attempt to gather support for themselves. It’s not going to work. The greedy unions are just making the public hate them that much more. Fire all of them and start over. We did it with air traffic controllers and survived, we can do it with BART workers.

6 Dorothy September 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM

They forgot to put the time of the strike in. Would it be 12:01 AM on Oct 11th?

Calif legislators need to put the same no strike laws for BART unions as they have in place for other transit unions.

7 @B A R T September 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

excellent acronyms…

8 BART Rider September 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM

It seems more like the public is seeing through the Union’s BS.

The Union come out saying the counter offer is 13.5% raise.

Based on BART management’s response, it seems this offer is only valid if they don’t have to contribute to the pension. If they have to pay into the pension, they are asking for 17% raise for 3 years. If we add the 4th year with another 4.5 increase, that 21.5% for 4 years!

So basically, they are still asking for the same 21% like they did since April! And they are accusing the management for not interested in negotiating!?

They also claim they are willing to pay 15% increase in health premium. But 15% of current $92 dollars is $14!

The Union have been deceptive and trying to fool the public during this negotiation. They were throwing all kind of red herring and miss-direction. Claiming safety while all they want is more money and claiming management not negotiating in good faith while they are the one coming up with this kind of BS counter offer.

Why the public even bother to trust and listen to a word the Union say.

9 JJ September 22, 2013 at 1:14 PM

I don’t think people realize that when they say 15% raise, there’s about 15% change in how much they pay for other things.

You could give them a 75% raise, but if they have to pay all that towards a bill, it is a Net 0% increase..

After being down over 12% over the last 8 years, they just want a net increase this time. They’re not asking for a 24% raise (NET). Figure in increases to pension, then figure increases in health, then figure in Cost of Living, don’t forget about how much they’re down already.. Look at the BIG FINAL number. Also that big number is over 4 years, not a big raise that just happens.

Simple thing is look at the big picture.. Cost of living increases, and wages should stay with those cost of living increases, otherwise your family loses over time.

10 TC2 September 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Management has already put a pay increase on the table… not as much as what the union was asking for but it’s there. Plus management has already given in to no contribution/increase to health coverage.

The union threat is not about worker safety.The unions are still looking for more money due to plain and simple greed.

BART employees should not be allowed to strike due to the detrimental effect on the public health, safety, and welfare. More vehicles on the road means more greenhouse gas emissions, more gasoline consumption, less worker productivity, and less economic activity.

Union scum.

11 @JJ September 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I take it you work for BART. Welcome to the real world. This is what is happening to all of us. You are not the lone wolf.,

12 lg September 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM

The “BIG FINAL NUMBER” I see is alot bigger than most people make. It`s has nothing to do with safety. It has everything to do with $$$$$$$$$! Fire the greedy people and hire people who will appreciate the pay, almost FREE healthcare and the big fat pensions that they contribute very little to!

13 BART Rider September 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

The problem is the Union did not advertise that way.

All major media quote the following counter offer by the Union:

— Length of contract: 3 years
— Pay: 4.5 percent raise each year
— Pension: 1.4 percent first year, 2.8 percent second year, 4.9 percent third year, reimbursed with additional pay totaling about 3.5 percent over three years.
— Health insurance: Increasing average premium contribution by 15 percent

To the public, this sounds like the Union have made concessions but the above counter offer is not the true counter offer.

On top of that, they come out and accuse the management not willing to negotiate.

You can make whatever excuses to justify you 21% increase. But just don’t come out and tell the public it is 13.5%.

14 Mark September 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I hope they strike. A nice, long strike. I’ll still drive to work and collect my paycheck. I might even take a train ride (driven by a a mangement employee) just so I can have the pleasure of crossing the picket line.

15 Anonymous September 22, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Anything more than a 0% increase in wages is too much. People who ride BART have suffered decreases in pay or unemployment. Increasing parking fees from $1.00 to $1.50 and eventually increasing fares is not fair to the average, non-public sector employee.

16 @JJ September 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

They actually did receive a cost of living raise this year.

17 Julio September 22, 2013 at 4:38 PM

A union buster is what we need.

18 EBguy September 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM

@JJ
“They’ve been holding 2,500+ working families hostage since July.”

No, BART’s unions have been holding 400,000+ people hostage. The union decides when to strike. No one else does.

19 Anonymous September 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM

If they go on strike, I hope they fire all of them. We would go through a tough commute for a while, but hiring replacements wont be a problem at all.

20 Anonymous September 22, 2013 at 5:30 PM

@jj…

What makes the BART union members so special? They ought to be feeling the same pain the rest of us are.

If the unions don’t like it, then screw ‘em. Try to find another job that pays as well for what they do…..besides holding the Bay Area hostage.

They want sympathy for their cause? Look in the dictionary between $hit and syphilis.

21 Anonymous September 22, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Senator De Saulnier, the guru of transportation, mentioned some legislation
to prohibit the strike and then, after his union buddies squacked, was silent.

22 Concord Guy September 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Message to BART management: DON’T CAVE!!!

23 Jesus Morales September 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Pretty soon we’ll all be working for minimum wage…can’t wait.
You do all know money is just made up numbers on a piece of paper, right? Or bits of data on a computer screen? You can tell me all this B.S. about how it really does have value and blah blah blah but really. Just blips and beeps and squiggly lines.
Power to he People.

24 Jesus Morales September 22, 2013 at 9:00 PM

…the People. You know what I meant :-P

25 Bob H. September 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I bet that Senator DeSaulnier does not take Bart to work. However I would bet who pays for a lot of his meals.

26 Steve September 22, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Hey Jesus, What have you been smoking?

27 lg September 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

@Concord Guy, My thoughts exactly! And a whole lot of others thoughts as well! Greedy people need to be fired. I want the job and pay and I would appreciate it greatly!!!!!!

28 lg September 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM

And they should at least try to be polite to the customers they serve. The people sitting in those booths are rude crude and no help at all. And have you visited a bart restroom lately? DISGUSTING! How much do the janitors Make? You bart workers are getting no sympathy from the public. Don`t go picket on the street because we laugh at you in disgust! I hope you get fired because I want your job. I`l take it in a heartbeat. Pathetic!

29 Nufsaid September 23, 2013 at 9:17 AM

@ JJ,,,
Cry me a river! You really have no idea how good you have it, do ya?

30 Sacto Rob September 23, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Did you know BART already has a no-strike clause in its contract? Yup. But unlike state contracts, the terms and provisions of the existing contract don’t stay in effect once the contract has expired. There’s a simple fix. There’s a bill in the legislature that would extend the no-strike clause until a new deal is reached, but instead of calling a special session to get it passed, Governor Brown and the supermajority Democrats are sitting on it.

31 concord roncord September 23, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Why are they all fat and rude? If bart employees were helpful and paid diligent attention to the overall experience of the system, like being courteous, I would be more inclined to support them. Seriously, have you seen a bart employee that is not fat?

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