The Water Cooler – How Has the BART Strike Affected You?

July 1, 2013 12:00 pm · 97 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

As we all know by now, BART workers are striking.

How has the strike affected you, and are you mad about the workers walking off the job, or do you sympathize with them?

Talk about it….

{ 97 comments }

1 Analnymess July 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM

F the selfish BART workers and their F’n union, UNION workers Suck A@@……

2 Dee July 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM

No sympathy here….damn lucky to have a job, what they are asking for is BS

3 Killjoy July 1, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I sympathize with all the people that the BART workers have stranded.
The Union has made life tougher for everyone. They should pull a Ronald Reagan and fire them all. There are thousands of people who would LOVE to have those jobs.
The BART workers have made life tougher on everyone. Not just their customers. People who drive every day are now slowed down because of this. If your mail doesn’t get here today, blame BART workers. They clogged the highways. No UPS? No FedEx? Blame BART workers.

4 Rottweiler Owner - Pittsburg, CA July 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I dunno. How would anyone in this day & age of being lucky to even have a job feel about seeing this….? http://www.mercurynews.com/salaries/bay-area?Entity=Bay+Area+Rapid+Transit

5 Sympathy is cheap July 1, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Tripled commute time from PH to Oakland.

6 Howard K Mullins III July 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Not at all, tho’ it did seem like local traffic was a bit more congested today.

My business is local, my drive is local, that’s the way I decided it would be.

7 sassy2 July 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM

I agree with #2, #3 and be sure to see their salary’s from #4′s post. I would love to work for BART. I do hope they fire all of them, and open up all of these jobs to everyone else.

8 Killjoy July 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Although I must add, my commute is about 8 miles each way. So, no. No BART and no being held hostage.

9 Howard K Mullins III July 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM

@ Killjoy

Well stated…

10 stan July 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM

I hope that BART breaks this gangster Union, THAT’S RIGHT GANGSTER UNION, just like the SEIU. What these people want is ridiculous, public employee’s should not be aloud to strike. I say we do to them what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers. Go on strike and you come back a non-union worker period. I do not support this strike, and can’t find anyone who does, so where does this union think it is going to get support for there cause.

11 Bob Brittain July 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Having read that 98% or more of the BART employees voted to strike, I drove by the picketers at WC and expressed my disappointment in them. The jobs are highly paid, compared to more valuable public service employees like educators, yet the BART employees on the front line are often curt and unprofessional in their behavior. At least they will be picketing today in 100+ heat in Walnut Creek.

12 KJ July 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Frankly, I’m madder that the Senate couldn’t get its act together to prevent interest rates on student loans from doubling today — 3.4 to 6.8%. Of course, it means greater profits for the “too-big-to-fail” banks, which are the primary donors/constituents of senators, so I’m not really surprised that they let this happen.

A BART strike pales in comparison to the impact this will have on students and their families.

(To answer your question, however: I side with the workers and, yes, I’ve been affected by the strike.)

13 Anon July 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I work from home but I live next to Bart and I am happy for the strike. I admit it’s for selfish reasons but it is so nice not to have to deal with the noise all day. I know I chose to live here and deal with it, but it’s still nice. I do feel badly for everybody that has to deal with the extra traffic and all the hassle caused by greedy employees.

14 Leigh July 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I know how overpaid the BART workers are! Absolutely ridiculous demands! 80% of the BART workers are rude and seem to be annoyed that people don’t load into the cars quick enough and even more bothered if you have the nerve to approach them in their glass booth. Bottom line if any of us behaved that way in our jobs, we wouldn’t have one. I really hope Gov Brown orders them back to work “or else”!

15 anon666 July 1, 2013 at 12:45 PM

It added about 5 minutes on my drive in to work this morning.

16 Dixie Sala July 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I just don’t get why they think they deserve a 5% increase for the next 4 years or whatever the heck it is they are asking for. I went 4 years without a raise and finally got a COLA of 2%. Last year was 1%. What makes them think they are better than the rest of us workers? We’re ALL trying to make ends meet.

17 @ Killjoy July 1, 2013 at 12:49 PM

AGREE! 100%

18 Bishop Estates July 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I would love to make the salary + benefits that they do. I have no sympathy for them at all.

19 Triple Canopy July 1, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Nope.

Their claimed interest in “safety” is just a ruse to screen their hidden agenda. Five percent per year my azz….

UNION SCUM!

20 Not a Happy Commuter July 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM

I drive to SF 5 days a week, I left 1 hr early (4am) there was a considerable amount of cars on the road, I am not looking forward to the afternoon. I do not sympathize at all, these type of unions should not be allowed to strike period.

21 Julio-Antioch July 1, 2013 at 12:57 PM

It doesn’t bother me as I’m retired. However, it sickens me these leaches that are so over paid, too much vacation, too high medical benefits, too liberal retirement calculations have the audacity to shut down the Bay Area. I agree, treat them like Reagan did the air traffic controllers. Can them all!

22 carebear July 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

No sympathy for them at all. Cost of living raises? what’sthat? wage increases for the next 3 or 4 years,really? some people have not had a raise in years, retail you maybe get 10 cents, maybe a pat on the back, maybe you’re lucky just to have a job. FIRE them all! there are thousands who would be glad for a chance at a job with BART. the union workers are acting like spoiled little brats. NO SYMPATHY.

23 oldman July 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I only have sympathy for those people who do not elect liberals who give public employee (unions) all they want for their votes. Liberals have no reason to complain.

24 Landana July 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Did not affect me but I do not sympathize with them at all and I have lost a lot of respect for bart employees.

25 Vindex July 1, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Fire the union workers and the overpaid and incompetent management. Start over

26 Catlady July 1, 2013 at 1:10 PM

It took me over 3 hours to get into SF today and I had to rearrange my childcare situation because I will not be home in time to pick up my child. It’s definitely a very inconvenient day for commuters. I just can’t have much sympathy when I pay far more for healthcare and rarely get more than a 1% raise each year.

27 been great July 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Got to work in record time today due to everyone being afraid to drive so it’s been fantastic so far. What I’ve learned from this strike is that the bay is too dependent on BART. We need more alternate means of transportation.

28 ME Me me July 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Whaaa, Do you want some cheese and crackers with that Whine!!
What a Bunch of Cry babies – Nobody forced you to live in Timbuktu. Get a Clue already – Commuting was YOUR CHOICE, A Gun was Not Held to your Head. You’re Blaming BART instead of the THOUSANDS of Cars clogging the roadways, not to mention People that don’t have a Clue what birth control is and had to have 5 kids that they can’t even afford to raise.
Has the Strike affected me? NO.

29 Anonymous July 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Went from pro union to anti union in one morning.Spoiled brats

30 AC July 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

It will be even worse next week. Luckily, this week is a short week and a lot of people are choosing to take vacation rather than deal with the traffic. I forsee next week being twice as bad. I have zero sympathy for BART workers. I ride BART everyday and the “work” these strikers perform is minimal at best and extremely lacking at worst. Most of them sit on their butts all day and are rude to you when you have the nerve to ask them a question. Not to mention that we’re paying their salaries yet the filth and lack of A/C on most trains is being felt by the riders, not the workers. Where’s my 23% price decrease for my unsafe/dangerous travel conditions?

31 Captain Bebops July 1, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I would wager a lot of people who take BART took this week off anyway. You get a full week off for the price of 4 vacation days.

There are a lot of issues here. I can understand the sentiment against the BART workers wanting a raise when some people can’t even find a job. But then we should all be asking for higher wages anyway. Just look at food prices. Note that sandwich you paid $6 for just two years ago is now $9. Why not complain about that too? We all need higher wages to cover the rising cost of living, right?

Well that’s what happens when you let business charge what they want. I can just imagine if BART were privatized how much more you would be gouged to ride it. After all don’t executives deserve their monster mansions, private jets and yachts?

And as I’ve often mentioned before BART was a bad idea. Expensive to maintain and operate not to mention build out. Studies show that lite rail is better though the rail and trolley lines have long been torn out and used for other purposes. Guess you all should bicycle that 60 mile round trip commute daily. LOL!

32 Let's Go Oakland July 1, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I’m gonna get crucified for this, but I’m rather sympathetic to the BART workers…at least significantly more than just about everyone I talk to. We often forget that those of us that are not in organized labor benefit directly from the efforts of such union negotiations, and that without such actions as the ability to go on strike, there’s no real balance of power at the negotiating table. It’s even easier to disregard all of this when we feel personally affected by actions such as the BART strike. And boy oh boy, do people like easy!

Sure, the strike sucks. My one hour $10 commute doubled in time and tripled in cost. But really, what made matters worse for me, was listening to everyone hate on the BART workers for this. Somehow, management gets a pass? Why?

BART workers are overpaid as it is? According to who? Against your income? Maybe you should work for BART. Oh it’s not an issue of jealousy? You just think they are being greedy? That they get what they get and shouldn’t throw a fit? If that had been the approach to organized labor over its history, folks, YOUR working conditions would be crappier, your pay would be lower, and your hours would be longer. It’s not just the union workers that benefit from organized labor, it’s the entire working class. Someone has to set a standard of what is considered acceptable treatment of workers. We all know it’s not going to come from people who whine on the internet all day.

You’re inconvenienced, I’m inconvenienced, BART is inconvenienced, and the BART workers are inconvenienced. No one likes this situation, but let’s not parrot soundbites we hear or read in passing that discredit the legitimacy of the negotiations and the necessary implications of the current strike. If for no other reason than it makes you sound like an uninformed reactionary.

Let’s hope an amicable agreement is reached in the near future for EVERYONE’s sake.

“If you make up your own mind, you can only blame yourself.” – George Best

33 Parsnip July 1, 2013 at 1:27 PM

It hasn’t. But for those who do use/pay/trust/depend upon BART, they have my sympathies.

Look at all the other unionized agencies we depend upon: USPS; Republic Trash; PGE; UPS; FedEx; CCWD; EBMUD, Firefighters, Police, etc. etc. I don’t read of them striking.

Nurses and Teachers — I BART you. When you use people depending on you as your token pawns, you’re no different.

34 This Guy July 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I had to drive 3 hours this morning from Walnut Creel to SF! Sick! Not to mention I am moving to the City this week/weekend, these buttholes have ruined my life this week… Oh yea not to mention the 100+ I am paying to park my car in 3 days of commute. Best believe I am going to the picket lines to not just tell but show these greedy little extortionists how I feel.

35 Rob July 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Works for me – my company is letting a lot of us work from home for the duration of the strike.

36 Incognito July 1, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I am fortunate to have a short commute, that has always been my choice when choosing where I want to work, so, no, the BART strike has not affected me.

I don’t feel bad for the BART workers. I haven’t had a raise in about five years. Been though some tough times with the economy and sometimes you stick it out with your employer through thick and thin. I’m not in a union, so striking to get my point across that a raise would be nice is not an option. If I don’t want to continue to stick it out and wait for my next raise when things get better, then looking for another job is my option.

37 RanchgirlCA July 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Left early this morning and found traffic wasn’t so bad, though my communte didn’t involve SF or any of the bridges. I expect this is part typical holiday week traffic and part people who stayed home because of the strike. I’m sure my ride home will be complete hell though and if this lasts into next week, I expect things to be much, much worse.

38 Laura Zah July 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I wonder if those on strike have any idea how despised they are? Be sure to let them know as you drive past the pickets.

39 Anon777 July 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

No it does not affect me.

Do I sympathize? Not really. Not when I saw how much the lower end makes and after I just read in the paper that one guy (white collar worker) has 970 days of vacation accrued. That is absurd!

At my place of work, you can only accrue 200 HOURS of PTO before you STOP ACCRUING (you don’t lose it, but you stop accruing). You must use some and get below the 200 hr mark before you accrue more. These types of rules are put in place due to employee vacation time being a liability on the books because by law it must be paid out at the time of separation. I have no sympathy for the white collar AHoles who get all the perks and the BART needs to realize they need to cut some white to keep some blue.

40 Phoenyx July 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Chances are my drive home to Concord from Benicia will probably suck more than it does already once I get to Highway 4.

You know, in some cases unions are a good thing, when they work like they are supposed to in protecting the workers form organizations that would treat them unfairly. Can’t say this is the case here.

41 Think again July 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM

They should lose 5% of salary for everyday they stay on strike….

42 Mr. Pink July 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM

I take BART to Oakland 4 days a week. Fortunately Mondays are not one of those days. And tomorrow I have work to do in Concord. Thursday and Friday I’m off so Wednesday is the only day it MAY affect me this week. Probably won’t bother going in for the one day. Hoping it will be resolved by next week.

Agree with others that say do what Reagan did; fire the lot of them and just see how many people line up to take their places. They have a good thing going and every time they pull this sh*t it’s a reminder to everyone just how good they have it. Very little sympathy for BART.

43 Cody Blackwell July 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

There are always two (2) sides to a story. However, the “Man of the Street” perceives:

1) BART is a public service function with no other commercial purpose. Therefore to strike and substantially fail / refuse to provide service to the public is unacceptable. This is especially true as the BART strike doesn’t impact the delivery of goods; it negatively impacts the economic well being of the working public at large.

2) BART workers are well compensated; especially with comparison to the thousands of people who are unemployed and those who have fallen completely off the unemployment but are still not working. Certainly, we would all like to have higher salaries; but there must be some standard of reason & appreciation given the current U.S. economic environment.

3) BART workers have great benefits; including a non-contributory retirement system. We would all like to have a non-contributory retirement program with additional contribution options; since most have no choice or option except to pay 6% of our base pay into social security every month.

In conclusion; we can settle this argument by benchmarking with the benefits program of nationally recognized: Claycord.Com

Mr. Mayor; we demand to know details about the Claycord.com benefits plans:

1) non-contributory retirement plans
2) deferred compensation plans
3) negotiated annual increases
4) guaranteed reductions in heathcare costs
5) quarterly & annual bonus plans

Once we receive this information; we may determine that Claycord payroll & benefits far exceed current BART compensation. Once proven wrong; I will grab a sign and head to W.C. BART for my turn at the picket line.

44 z4u2c July 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I’ll be LMAO to see them get fired, and for those who are a non union that got that job, show them what it feels like to have a job. BART driver gets 0%, they don’t do s%$@, technician at least might get 2%, oh make that 1% after the previous accident.

45 foonman July 1, 2013 at 1:46 PM

I think people should really try to find a way to work closer to home. Maybe in the future the, “living over the store” concept from the early 1900′s will come back. Its just a thought. Dont know if it would work any more.
My personal experience with BART isnt that good……lots of attitude at Concord station so I avoid them when ever possible…

46 Typical Claycord Commentor July 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I hate those dagnabbit union varmints! This is all because the liberal activists that we call the Supreme Court decided that we all have to get gaymarried now! Thanks a lot Barrack Hussein Obummer!

47 Landana July 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM

@28
Are you a Bart employee? because you sure don’t like people expressing their opinions in a blog where people are asked to express their opinions.
Also, nobody forced you to read this blog, get a clue.

48 Anon July 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM

If it’s such an easy job why haven’t you applied for a position? Or do you like you lower paying job better? Or maybe you’re not qualifies.

49 Lari July 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Working from home, as I have access to the server and write a lot anyway, so this works. Taking dips in the pool when it gets too warm! As for whether or not I agree with the workers….while I know that BART mgmt has no problem lining their pockets, I do feel like the unions (no contributions to pension and $92 towards health insurance) have a pretty nice set up and they’re holding the Bay Area hostage now. I haven’t had a decent raise in five years either and yet my cost of living has risen, including BART fare, we now have to pay into our pension plan after years of enjoying a surplus and my health insurance has skyrocketed.

50 California Nightmare July 1, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Parsnip makes a good point. Not all unions are bad. There are plenty of private sector unions in competitive industries that work with management to obtain the right balance between competition, profits and employee benefits.

Government monopoly unions like BART, CTA, CNA, SEIU, and public safety unions are a different matter. Because they have no competition to threaten their jobs, they can wantonly extort the public and use dues money to bribe their elected officials with no countervailing forces.

If you voted for Jerry Brown, Mark DeSaulinier, or Susan Bonilla, you have no right to complain. These politicians have been currying favor with big government unions like BART and CTA for years and decades. They are bought and paid for.

51 Jerk July 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

#32 – Truly Stated.
And for All of the Union Bashers, Hello, Have you ever worked for a Corporate Giant such as Wal-Mart? It’s Not very different from working at a sweat shop.
Unions Protect Jobs. These Corporate Giants would have you working 16 hour days with no lunch or breaks on $3.79 /hr.
I don’t hear you people trying to abolish CPS or Police because of a few bad apples. Shut up and Next Time, try finding a job closer to where you live.

52 JW July 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

It really wasn’t that bad for me. I take BART to the city normally. Today I rode the motorcycle and split lanes from 680 all the way down 24 across the bridge and into the city. It was about the same amount of time. I also didn’t have to deal with a filthy train car.

53 Elwood July 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Gee, there sure is a lot of sympathy for the BART strikers on here.

You can tell they really have public support.

But do not worry. Soon their hired hands the politicians will come swooping in and pressure the BART board to capitulate to all their demands.

New rail cars to replace BART’s worn out fleet? Who needs ‘em? Give the money to the poor underpaid, overworked unsafe union employees.

This is what happens when all your elected officials are owned by the public employee unions.

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

We live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

54 Elwood July 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Willie Brown explains how he settles BART strikes.

By pressuring the BART board to capitulate to all the union demands, of course.

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/BART-says-mediators-should-resolve-strike-unions-4641113.php

55 Anonymous July 1, 2013 at 3:01 PM

County workers including firefighters and deputy sheriffs, and even the Co Co Board of Supervisors get pay cuts (except DA Peterson who refused) BART employees demand a raise or they will shut down the Bay Area.

I’ll not be voting for any BART Director that gives them squat.

56 notmychoice July 1, 2013 at 3:16 PM

For those saying that its our Choice – Get a life. I have always made effort to work & live close – My office moved – that was not my choice… Not a lot of jobs out there – again not my choice… Move to be closer to work – Not my choice – Have you tried to rent or buy anything affordable near Jobs?????

My Choice is to support my family, educate my family – and not Live off of the Government. So I am going to complain. But again because I try to choose the best – I will only complain for a minute then move on…

57 rene July 1, 2013 at 3:26 PM

THEY’RE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB! NO EMPATHY FROM ME! THEY’RE OVER PAID AS IT IS! I do take Bart to the A’s games, and to SF, but I can always drive.

58 jtkatec July 1, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I am one of those who took vacation today and however long this lasts. I figure some judge or politician will step in if it doesn’t end in two days.

59 jtkatec July 1, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I read one story where BART management arranged for buses free of charge.

Cost incurred due to the strike. I think there goes any wage increase.

60 Lee White July 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM

It hasn’t affected me one bit because I had the good sense to get the hell out. Those of you who would like to voice your displeasure, however, can do so by contacting the Service Employees International Union:

http://www.seiu1021.org/about-us/contact-us/

61 Em Dubya July 1, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Effect on me? I now capitalize BART SUCKS when I type.

Did I mention BART SUCKS?

Just to clarify, BART SUCKS.

62 @RENE July 1, 2013 at 4:11 PM

OVER PAID IN RELATION TO WHAT? HAVE YOU DONE A SALARY STUDY OF COMPARABLE POSITIONS IN OTHER INDUSTRIES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.

63 Mimi (original) July 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I’m right there with jtkatek – those BART workers “average” $71K in salary a year, pay nothing into their retirement or healthcare costs and our county employees on “average” do not make anywhere near $50K a year, pay at least $150 for ONE person’s medical (on the cheapest plan) and have to pay around 50% of the monthly dollars toward retirement. BART workers – go on unemployment and let persons who will appreciate a high paying job have at it!! BART employees should not be allowed to STRIKE at any time!

64 @notmychoice July 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Take some responsiblity for your actions. Really do you need to live in a nice house in the suburbs or can you live in a smaller apartment near your job. It IS your choice, take responsibility for your choices and stop blaming others. Everyone on hear blaming others because their house is not near theri job, the get paid too little, they don’t have benefits, they don’t have a 401k/retirment, they don’t have paid holidays. IT IS YOUR CHOICE WHERE YOU WORK AND WHO YOU WORK FOR—TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

65 Yhe Phantom July 1, 2013 at 4:29 PM

We built this system and hired them to operate it.

As the public employers, the corrupt BART Board of Directors gave up reasonable control during the “rich” times years ago. Who elected them, and what were their sympathies? Just history now.

BART will not reveal how many times the “unnecessary” train operators slow the “computer controlled” cars to a safe stop…do they?

They don’t report how much raw human sewage the maintenance people have to “collect”.

How much verbal abuse the station agents have to absorb gracefully.

How perfect the electricians, mechanics, and other service people have to be.

BART employees have to perform against the highest standards of performance, unlike most of the riders.

Let the negotiations continue.

66 Anon July 1, 2013 at 4:37 PM

My house is 4,800 sq feet out in Mountain House – Your all jealous. They better get that Bart thing settled so I can get on with My life.
I’m helping the economy by living far from my job.

67 Anon2you July 1, 2013 at 4:42 PM

They should actually fire all the BART employees who are on STRIKE and re-hire for all those positions at the current deal on the table, without the UNION!!! See how much MORE that would equal to the worker without their Union Dues and fees taken. There would be lines for miles for those high paying jobs, BART would save money ultimately. BART is already over priced and shouldn’t be. It should be a cost effective alternative solution to driving, not an expensive -time consuming-burdensome option that it currently is…

68 @anon2you July 1, 2013 at 5:05 PM

I think that’s illegal. Unless you can site laws that make it so.

69 annonomous July 1, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I am all for fair pay for quality work, BUT these BART employees have some nerve asking for more money when there are so many others who have no jobs and can’t feed and support their families. The news state yesterday that the average pay for BART employees is about $139,000 a year ( probably including benefits), the upper Administration people make more than $259,000 a year . They need to quit spending so much and live within their means and quit squeezing money out the employers. They should be ashamed to ask for more when there are soooo many with nothing!!!!

70 Larry July 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Just another example why this State is in the mess it is in.Hire lazy,stupid,un-qualified people that have never had a job in the real world.It will never change if you want a good civil servant job in California ,You must be able to lie cheat and steal.And all the gays tree huggers liberals etc. will support you.

71 annonomous July 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

One more thing, Why isn’t it illegal for the BART employees to strike since their jobs affect everyone who needs and uses the system?? There are other companies who have that in their contracts and their jobs DONOT affect others so deeply!!!

72 Libertarian July 1, 2013 at 5:10 PM

It is obscene what these people are making……. workers who do nothing more than sit in a car and ride back and forth get around $200,000 a year in wages, overtime, health care, retirement contributions, etc. Most of them I’ve dealt with are surly, unhelpful, act put upon if asked for information. Time to rid ourselves of them, their stinkin’ unions, and BART itself. Sell it to private interests and watch the difference

73 Anonymous July 1, 2013 at 5:15 PM

It’s not site laws it’s cite laws. If you abandon your job as a public employee you can be fired. I hope they fire enough of them to make an impression.

74 Anotherpublicworker July 1, 2013 at 5:19 PM

I understand the value of union strikes, however sometimes it is used for greed. Average pay is $62k, not including execs. I work as a secretary for a public school, handling thousands of your children a day, and as rewarding as my job can be, I make less than 20k a year. Watching this strike is insulting. Yes, negotiate. Yes, Bart workers deserve more, but how much is enough?

75 #64 - WISE UP July 1, 2013 at 5:21 PM

People who are employed in positions that could be filled by trained monkeys should reasonably expect to be paid in peanuts.

If you want to make pay and benefits out of line with economics, go to Harvard and get a job that requires more than button pushing.

Otherwise, live with the results of your choices, just like the train riders in the burbs.

76 Mr. John July 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I had to get up 2 hours early to make sure I could get to SF. I have little respect for BART employees fighting for pay increases when people in similar positions generally have a lot less. I’m tired of paying extra for my train ticket so that they can have great benefits and higher than typical pay.

77 ATKOH July 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM

It’s been a quiet day for us since the BART track runs right behind our house. The BART employees should be lucky to have a job with great pay and benefits. I understand the issues on both sides, but holding the commuters hostage is greedy and selfish. Thanks to all the firefighters, police and other public service people who are out there daily doing there jobs!

78 The Cold Soldier July 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Fire all the strikers, I say. There are qualified workers lining up who would literally kill to work those positions for less than half what these greedy jerkwads make. These people have learned to live beyond their means, and they’re freaking out now when asked to pay their fair share for health care.

Well shucks, time to sell the Maserati, huh? What’s the world coming to when glorified janitors and button pushers who make more than $80k a year have to shell out $100 a month for full coverage?

I hope there’s a traffic jam on the way to the unemployment office, you over-entitled solipsistic D-bags.

@ #4, good job, I hadn’t seen the actual figures before and it’s good to know that my angry assumptions were right on the money.

79 @75 July 1, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Who in the ehll are you talking to?

80 @73 July 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Yea I will take your word for it. Got a bridge for sale?

81 #65 July 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Yhe -

Although I almost always categorically disagree with your various postings, I know you to be a person of intellect and reason.

Forget the corrupt management line, etc., and please give a direct answer to this: What is the upper limit of reason for a round trip on BART(SUCKS) to Fremont from, say, Richmond – $20, $30, $40?

My price tolerance is high, sounds like yours might be too. What say you to that paralegal or line cook who has no choice but to pay your tolerance limit every day?

Dollar value only please…….I say $15 is the reasonable limit because someone making $10/hr has to work nearly a full day per week to pay for BART(SUCKS) to get to work each week.

82 anon July 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM

If you want anything to change, you might want to try changing the laws where people vote to change BART policies. Before I retired, PGE was Not allowed to Strike – BART should be NO Different.

83 Unsustainable July 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Their demands make about a much sense as expecting to get $1 million dollars for a $250k house.

84 Parsnip July 1, 2013 at 7:36 PM

@Anon #66 — “My house is 4,800 sq feet out in Mountain House – Your all jealous.”

Jealous? I think not. Especially of a 4800 ft house that is probably furnished by IKEA.

Your town sounds like is becoming a little Antioch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_House,_San_Joaquin_County,_California

Enjoy the mountain house stuck out in no-town Tracy that you overpaid for, Anon.

85 Elwood July 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM

@notmychoice July 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM #64

If you want to live in stack and pack housing, that’s your business. Ironically, the ecofreaks prefer to do their stacking and packing around BART stations.

Me, I prefer not to live a*****e to elbow with my neighbor.

86 Elwood July 1, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Ah, I hope the union parasites read this blog.

Feel the love!

87 Mountain House, really? July 1, 2013 at 8:07 PM

You mean your 4800 sqft house that is a community made up mostly of short sale and bank owned homes in the middle of nowhere? Not to mention a suckville commute whether BART striking or not? Doesn’t sound too appealing to me.

88 anon2u July 1, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I’m not sympathetic in the least. It looks to me like a lot of those strikers need to start pushing themselves away from the dinner table. They look like they might have a problem trying to cinch their belts.

89 Anon July 1, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Let the board of directors know your feelings about the strike
boardofdirectors@bart.gov

90 Yhe Phantom July 1, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I completely agree with anon July 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM

“If you want anything to change, you might want to try changing the laws. …Before I retired, PGE was Not allowed to Strike – BART should be NO Different.”

- BART should not be allowed to strike, that’s part of the PUBLIC UTILITY service notion.

Fair wages and salaries ok; extortion using OUR rails is like MLB, NFL, and NBA jacking the stadiums we built. That’s sports and entertainment …recreation…this is about people making a living.

A TOLERANCE limit on a system we built with tax money is ridiculous. Ticket prices should be cost based. Not comparable market value compared to driving and parking.

Model Fremont to Richmond is a $9.80 round trip. This ticket price should be tied to minimum wage…and adjust all others to be synchronized. Now PHill to Montgomery St. is $10.00 round trip. Not bad for me at $3.70 RT.

Surplus earnings in a public service utility were not for management…there weren’t supposed to be surplus earnings, (i.e. profits) in this Regional Transit District.

A public utility should not be profit positive, producing $300,000 salaries and bonuses to “compete with private enterprise”.

Hasta luego.

91 Killjoy July 2, 2013 at 8:21 AM

@California Nightmare
By your reasoning, I have every right to complain. ;)

@Jerk
Yes, I have worked for a monstrous global corporation. We had no Union, and we were treated fairly, and compensated according to our skills and our jobset that we performed.

92 Connie Dobbs July 2, 2013 at 9:10 AM

#66…..and then they go and prove it, huh? It’s funny because it’s predictable.

93 Anderson July 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

All you folks bashing unions would do well to contemplate how workers are treated in countries where unions are nonexistent, where managers can withhold pay at will without any legal recourse, and conditions are far worse than we enjoy here.

You like your 40 hour work week? Vacations (albeit less than most developed nations)? Sick leave? Unions gave us that. Without unions, most workers (not executives!) would be working the 16 hour days 7 days a week that were common in the sweatshop factories early in the Industrial Revolution, under conditions akin to slavery.

No unions are perfect, and the BART employees might seem like they’re well paid (compared to whom? fast food franchise workers?) but they do have to put up with a LOT of crap from the esteemed public, as well as BART’s wonderful management. Give ‘em a break.

94 Living Away From Work July 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM

To all of you who proclaim that we chose to live farther away from work and it is our fault.
We chose to live where we live, partly because we and a transportation system, paid for by OUR tax dollars. We have a right to be upset when OUR employees put the screws to us. They are not self-employed.

Governor Moonbeam must be getting more money from the unions involved than the 400,000 riders and the other close to 1,000,000 people directly affected. I thought his job was to represent all the Californians

95 Connie Dobbs July 2, 2013 at 11:02 AM

#94 Aww, did you think that? That’s sweet.

96 Mac July 2, 2013 at 11:21 AM

I`m lucky, this Bart strike has not affected me at all really.
I`m lucky because i just have to drive from North Concord to Walnut Creek.
And i`m on the freeway at 5:30 am.
So there is a larger number of cars on the road.
But i have stayed at my 70 mph speed so far.
But i bet after i`m mentioning it now.
I`ll sit in traffic tomorrow :-)

I can`t believe how many vacation days Bart workers get.
I know a lot of people that would love to take over their jobs for them.
At the same pay they are making now.

They should be glad they have a dang job. (but that is just my opinion)

97 GG July 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

It hasn’t affected me at all, knock on wood. My husband drives to work on 680 and it hasn’t affected his commute either. All bets are off next week, tho, if this thing drags on. A lot of people telecommuted or took a few days off because it’s a holiday week. Next week it will probably be worse when they finally have to go in to the office.

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