Unions Say Strike Set for Monday, Accuse BART of Stalling

June 29, 2013 23:26 pm · 92 comments

Union officials said they would move forward with plans for a BART strike on Monday after walking out of contract talks today.

Union leaders called BART a “no-show” at today’s talks in a statement released this evening, saying they walked out after waiting for management negotiators and a that “never showed up.”

“BART management is engaging in what is called “surface-bargaining,” said Jose Mooney, spokesperson for Service Employees International Union 1021. “They’re trying to appear in public like they are working to keep the trains running, but they’re doing nothing to respond to good-faith offers by BART workers aimed at avoiding a strike.”

BART officials said they had told the union they would have a proposal ready by 5 p.m., but when they submitted it to the mediator at 3:45 p.m., they were told the negotiators had already walked out. BART spokesman Rick Rice said management delivered a new economic proposal to the mediator this afternoon, and received a response from the union to a proposal made Thursday.

He said the latest BART proposal increased the salary offer and reduced the amount employees would contribute to pensions and health care.

“We’re disappointed,” Rice said of the union’s decision to break off talks. Contracts with BART’s two biggest unions, SEIU 1021 and Amalgamated Transit Union Local 155, are set to expire Sunday at midnight.

Union members voted earlier this week to authorize a strike that could begin as early as Monday.

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Jill June 29, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I am outraged at BART union employees. They average $71K and alerady don’t contribute to their pensions. Some nerve. A bunch a fatuous nonsence. Perhas a good long unpaid strike would be good for them. Remind them how very well off they already are.

Teacher wannabe June 29, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Walking out an hour before a promised deadline? Sounds like the union doesn’t WANT to settle.

Anonymous June 30, 2013 at 12:19 AM

I ride BART and am willing to put up with the inconvenience of a strike. Cut their salaries, let the strke, fire them and replace them with lower paid folks which would save me money .

ClayDen June 30, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Fire any of them who don’t show up for work.

Beacon June 30, 2013 at 12:29 AM

I rode BART this evening. I don’t think anyone at BART is working very hard. The trains were filthy.

Z Man June 30, 2013 at 12:38 AM


$34/hour average. Is that high paying? Do you want to deal with bums, urine, and excessive heat/cold, noise, and safety/responsibility for thousands?

I doubt someone would do this work for $18/ hour and be happy. (don’t want to hear it from people who “cannot” find work)

Craig Cannon June 30, 2013 at 1:41 AM

I’m looking for Work. TV Jounalism not paying the Bills. I really don’t want to be a Rat however. (Scab during Strike) It would be Unfair to blame everybody Working at BART for this Insensitivity to the Faithful Riders. Some there don’t have a chance to avoid a Strike. BART has some Nice Employees, and the other too. It’s so irritating being nearly broke, knowing some of these Folks are not Happy with a Salary and Benefits most of us that are Barely Working would Salavate Over. This is really Bad Timing. For now its fair to hear both sides. At least for me. Rat, is not a nice Word to be called. Scabing is also very mean to the Honest Workers Stuck in this. Hopefully a Quick Resolve, and none of this Burns Bridges. There Definately Seems to be more Hostilities in BART Riders Blogs this Round. Lots of Folks Jobless. Watch Out. Lets try to stay Level Headed if possible.

Barthater June 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Everything about BART sucks!

Christopher June 30, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Regardless of what people say about the economy improving many people are out of work and many others have had their pay cut or days shortened. For $71K that is more than what most of us make living here in the Bay Area and now because of Union greed they will make the rest of us suffer to get to our jobs with the pay we are grateful to make and pay for our families bills. I myself grew up working class and have nothing against unions but I feel they are no longer looking out for the ones in need, the community. Shame on you.

Chris June 30, 2013 at 3:35 AM

They should just appreciate that have a job

Anon June 30, 2013 at 4:30 AM

Jose? This government doesn’t negotiate with illegal aliens.

Ray June 30, 2013 at 6:32 AM

The BART workers are overpaid, spoiled brats. I hope the governor grows some balls and orders a cooling off period. The governor relies on the unions support and would be too chicken to cross them. Who loses, the people and riders! BART workers should be lucky they have a job in today’s economy!

Fire 'em all June 30, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Of course the Union doesn’t want to settle. They think they can get more money with a gun pointed at voters’ heads. I say that management should call their bluff and hire replacements when the union decides it doesn’t want the work.

ms.v June 30, 2013 at 7:06 AM

I think we should make our own signs and picket the strikers. Mine would say WISH I HAD HEALTH CARE or I’LL DO YOUR JOB FOR HALF THE PAY or just REALLY? This is when unions piss me off. I would be supportive if they were really just striking for safety upgrades. We all know that isn’t it.
And remember..unions get a percentage of everyone’s paycheck. The more the employee makes the more the union gets.

Chupacabra June 30, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Every BART rider should let their feelings be known on TUesday. Give the driver a thumbs down as the train comes into the station. Tell the station agents that you lost a day of pay.

Do not take this lying down!

bumper morgan June 30, 2013 at 7:21 AM

low lifes. they alreadyhave a fantastic benefits and health care package, but. wNt more from the Govt deep pockets. I say give them 24 hours to return to work, or terminae evry one who does not show up. The SEIU needs a wake up call.

Karen June 30, 2013 at 7:24 AM

Maybe BART riders should all hold a strike and make our voices heard that we want lower fares, longer train hours, fewer delays, cleaner stations and trains, etc.

Old Timer June 30, 2013 at 7:24 AM

I hope Bart stands its ground. Let them go on strike. I hope they use up all there savings there food runs out and they loose there jobs. They are worse than a swamp full of leaches.

Chris June 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM

The Bay Area should not be held hostage by these people, the only way to fix this once and for all is to break the union and replace anyone who doesn’t want to work anymore.

Theo June 30, 2013 at 7:42 AM

Check out this web site for 2012 BART salaries.
Outrageous salaries! I am aware of a BART employee who constantly brags about his yearly salary which includes a huge amount of overtime which isn’t included in this BART salary information.

The Observer June 30, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Just like the last strike, the union members will get full back pay for every day they are on strike. Why wouldn’t they strike for and get a fully paid extra week of paid vacation? Just remember that the unions know they aren’t risking anything by going on strike.

ale June 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM

They are making it really hard to be on the workers side.

anon June 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM

I still don’t understand how Unions are a good thing. I understanding there was a point in history that they were good, but I don’t understand how that translates to modern day. Can anyone help me?

Dorothy June 30, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Why do I think both sides want the Gov to step in and postpone the strike until September? Right when the Bay Bridge will be down? Unions will then be able to get what they want and BART can say it tried before it caves.

Steve June 30, 2013 at 8:37 AM

And the unions claim that “it’s all about safety…”

Bunch of liars…… Fire them ALL!

What A Joke June 30, 2013 at 8:46 AM

These so-called BART workers are a bunch of money hungry theives! They make more money than teachers, medical assistants, vet techs, etc. (individuals that are actually contributing to society and giving back). If they want more money, go to a local university pay tuition and get an education to become a doctor or lawyer. Stop being a bunch of whiny theives!

WIlliam June 30, 2013 at 9:20 AM

seems that sometimes unions make things worse for their members, I hope they strike themselves to the unemployment office, and people that appreciate the salary and benefits replace them. bunch of greedy crybabies.

Compassion June 30, 2013 at 9:21 AM

It’s ridiculous. The unions have BART by the balls, and not in a good way. There was a BART employee on Friday walking through the train handing out flyers, even leaving them on empty seats, talking about how BART employees don’t want to strike, what they’re asking for, etc. Who’s going to clean up all those flyers?

And just out of curiosity to Craig Cannon, why the constant capital letters in the Middle of a Sentence? Intentional or not?

Anonymous June 30, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Fire the strikers then bring down wages.Plenty of us would love a good job.

Broke in Colony Park June 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Overpaid and spoiled workers. They should work and pay for their healthcare and save for retirement like the rest of us. If they don’t want to work for the pay and benefits that are offered, then they should find another job. Sounds crazy I know… but it is the bay area!

Jerk June 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM

So a Train Operator makes $60,000 / yr?
THAT’S NOTHING. You’re a bunch of old fogies that need to get with the times. You should be focused on all of the Do Nothing “project managers” LOL that are PIMPING BART out of millions.

Aspirin June 30, 2013 at 9:44 AM

BART workers average $138,000. including very generous benefits plus very low healthcare benefit cost. Pretty generous already.

Ven Xeter June 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Governor Brown has the authority to stop this, but again shows his utter contempt for the taxpayer and working man by doing nothing. Once again we see government union special interests are the only group that our California politicians care about.

Quityer Bichin June 30, 2013 at 9:58 AM


Anonymous June 30, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Dear Craig Cannon:

Please lay off the capital letters. We use them for proper names and to begin sentences. Nothing more. It’s distracting and subtracts from your otherwise worthwhile messages.

Thank you.

MDUSD Grad June 30, 2013 at 10:14 AM

All this means is that when BART caves to the union demands fares will increase again, and the stations/trains will be just as filthy as always.

Here’s to hoping BART just hires replacements for these Union thugs. Let any of the current employees come back if they agree to leave the union. Maybe that will reduce some of the loss of experience they’d have otherwise… though I’m not too sure how much experience matters for these kinds of jobs anyway.

Mad Mom June 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Union haters just don’t get it. Management came to the table less than an hour before the deadline. How would that give the union reps time to go over a very fat document with lots of long lasting restrictions.
Don’t believe everything BART comes out with. There has been a lot of misrepresentation going on.
Ignorance breeds fear which then seems to breed hate as seen on this site.
I for one would never ride BART if they let just anyone off the street run, repair or in any other way be responsible for my safety on a train.

KJ June 30, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Since everyone is writing against the workers, I’m going to say something negative about BART management. (By the way, other than being a rider, I am not involved in this.)

I don’t know if BART management was deliberately trying to provoke the union by waiting to hand in their proposal or maybe they are chronic procrastinators and can’t help but do things at the last minute (neither possibility shines a positive light on BART management); however, giving them the benefit of a doubt that it was just a case of procrastination — frankly, waiting until the deadline to hand in your work has never played well with me. I have always found it annoying to be kept waiting. I keep thinking, “Get a move on, quit diddling around!”

Okay, admittedly, I’m the type of person who can’t stand to have something hanging over me, so I get the job done immediately. Other people, I know, figure, “Oh, well, I don’t have to turn it in until 5:00, so I can go for a long lunch and start working on it at 3:00.”

Lorelei June 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I am generally, a union supporter, but in this case, SEIU is OUT-OF-LINE! Those salaries and benefits packages are MORE than generous, and, because tax money subsidizes BART, we are getting RAPED by these greedy thugs! ENOUGH!!!

P.S. Mr. Cannon…..it’s “salivate.” Journalists need to be able to spell.

Andrew June 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I hear a lot of people complaining that the BART workers are being paid too much. Since when does your opinion matter on how much somebody makes? Instead of complaint that another person makes more than you do, you ought to fight for your pay to make the same as someone else. If you’re not making $37 per hour right now, you should be outraged at your employer for keeping you in poverty.

JLG June 30, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Working people don’t seem to stick together.

bulldog 2 June 30, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Many of us have taken pay cuts, pay more for health insurance and contribute to our retirement plans, if we are lucky enough to have one. 23% is outrageous. Many times when you need to ask a station agent a question they act as if you are bothering them. It doesn’t require much to do the job. If they are unhappy step aside and let someone else do it. Unions no longer have the interest of the member. They only want power.

Triple Canopy June 30, 2013 at 11:19 AM

@40.. I believe it is a matter of perceived value. To see an employee sitting around or reading a newspaper at $37 an hour conveys that the public isn’t getting their moneys worth.

Funny that I haven’t heard anything about unions’ and liberals’ outrage that a strike will put thousands of more vehicles on the road and contribute to the contrived theory of climate change.

anon June 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

“I ride BART and am willing to put up with the inconvenience of a strike. Cut their salaries, let the strke, fire them and replace them with lower paid folks which would save me money .

Never will happen–Unions have too much power

Well... June 30, 2013 at 11:31 AM

When the teachers almost went on strike, you all complained about how much they make and their benefits. When nurses almost went on strike, you all complained about how much they make and their benefits. Now you all are doing the same about BART. I think you all are just pissed that you don’t have one of these jobs.

oldman June 30, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Since they are public employees and our taxes pay for their work, I suggest we have every right to know and care how much they make

Mr. Pink June 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Anyone know the breakdown of how much workers currently contribute toward their pensions and healthcare, and by how much they want to reduce this amount? I figure most of us contribute the bulk of our healthcare, etc. My spouse is a teacher (I know I know, they’re lazy etc.) and we pay over $1300 a month toward our healthcare with the district picking up maybe $300_$400. Damn those retirees who voted down the healthcare benefits just so that they could retire at a higher rate of pay!!

SEIU Sucks June 30, 2013 at 11:45 AM

SEIU contributes nothing to their health and welfare, nothing to their pension, get to retire when they are 50 years old. Rack up a bunch of overtime on their last year of working so they can earn $100,000+ retirement till there 80 or 90 years old.

They are a bunch of spoiled overpaid overweight cry babies that are raping the tax payers.

Get rid of them all.

Dorothy June 30, 2013 at 11:47 AM

BART: The union employees, the unions themselves, and the management of BART are all in it only for money plus perks plus spiked pension. If the employees do get a raise, the union will collect higher dues – and thus also get a double raise – one as union employees and one as union management. BART management will get a raise because the fare hikes will cover their @$$ as well.

Does anyone believe any of the hype these people on all sides are putting out? None of them cares a fig about what a mess they are going to make of the public’s lives. Some will lose jobs because they can’t get to them. Some, if they are lucky, will only lose a day’s pay for each working day of the strike. The really lucky public will be able to take either sick leave or vacation during the strike and be able to preserve their income and pay bills. And after the next fare hike, everyone will be out of pocket except the unions and management.

Ven Xeter June 30, 2013 at 11:47 AM

The vast majority of BART employees I’ve encountered wouldn’t be qualified to work at 7-11. If they believe they are worth more than they are currently being paid, they should do what anyone else would, LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB. Hard to do that though when the market value of your skills is less than half what BART is already paying you.

@randome task June 30, 2013 at 11:52 AM

What you should be concerned with is how much Bart management is making. Every time there is an increase in fares, or Bart receives more from the government, that money goes straight to management and not to the workers. People who complain that Bart workers don’t keep the stations clean and therefore don’t deserve more money need to understand that the workers are being ripped off, and there simply aren’t enough people working the stations due to greedy management.

Charles-the-cat June 30, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Anyone who thinks this is BART union vs BART management is just taking the bait. Both union and management at this corrupt organization are playing us. The press and general public are so busy taking “sides” supporting either labor or management, that we’re ignoring the real issues of high fares, filth, squandered money, and physical conditions. Or if we’re not ignoring it we’re childishly blaming management or union rather than focusing on the fact that both sides are working together to keep their corrupt bargain going. They don’t view each other as the enemy…they both view the public as the ultimate group to be fought.

Public Unions are milking tax payers dry June 30, 2013 at 11:55 AM

One of the most pressing issues in America today, are public sector unions crippling state budgets. To make matters worse, in this time of economic upheaval, public sector unions are demanding more benefits, such as higher pensions and better health coverage, at the expense of overburdened tax payers. Government employees do not innovate or create wealth, so how can many politicians justify such lavish benefits to public sector unions, that the private sector can only dream of?

Politicians simply cannot make a rational statement about public sector unions and their bloated benefits.

You may be wondering how public service unions can get away with this. It is no surprise that public service unions receive a large amount of benefits in exchange for votes and political contributions. For example, Wisconsin currently allows union dues to be collected through payroll taxes. These unions strong arm you to resign if you do not join their union. Speaking of strong arming, ever wonder why we have secret ballot elections? We do this so organizations such as the Republican party, Democrat party or other political groups do not single you out and coerce you into voting for a particular candidate or referendum. Public service unions seem to despise this concept, which is not a surprise given that the structure of these unions typically has a top to bottom command structure in which the union bosses make most of the decisions. These practices are tolerated by politicians, because it helps guarantee them votes and contributions come election time.

Worst of all, tax payers are generally not represented in the negotiations with public sector unions. Tax payers ultimately foot the bill for the generous benefits given to unions, so where are our interests represented during these negotiations. The sad fact is that we rarely have a say with regards to unions and our tax dollars. Who can we turn to if not the politicians, we elect to represent our interests as tax payers? Luckily, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel.

We can get public sector unions back to where they do not drive the state and even federal deficit spiraling out of control. Wisconsin’s Governor Walker, is a rare example of an elected official acting on behalf of tax payers and those who elected him to public office to do his job and solve the problem at its root. Will Governor Walker’s charge inspire others to take action against out of control government spending and rent-seeking? If you are genuinely interested in creating a better future for our children, then you will do all you can to join the charge for fiscal responsibility.

Anon June 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The problem is that no one in management seems to know how to run the system so sooner or later they will get the contract. Also the Bart managers are way over paid with excessive Benny’s.

Bottom line the public gets screwed

KJ June 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

I have to laugh every time I read someone’s rant about how their tax dollars pay public employees’ salaries — as though, their dollars don’t pay the truly outrageous salaries/benefits/perks of corporate CEO’s. The amount BART workers get from the public coffers is miniscule in comparison to what we all have to pay in increased prices for goods and services from the private sector just to cover the cost of pompous CEOs.

I am astounded at how much a CEO of any of the health insurance corporation gets for doing little more than pushing papers around. And don’t get me started on the money shoveled at CEOs of Big Oil, Too-Big-To-Fail Banks, Big Ag, Big Auto! I’d have lots more money in my pocket if weren’t for those guys!

Ancient Mariner June 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Oooooh, the freeway’s going to be crowded!

ale June 30, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I am in a union and I am a state employee but in this particular case the employees are looking greedy. The raises they are asking for are huge and frankly they don’t do that great of a job. I commute via Bart and the majority of the employees I come into contact with are not friendly and unhelpful. Plus the trains are filthy. They need to work on these issues.

Karen June 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM

I also want to add that they should fire the booth workers first. Most of them are the meanest, rudest, power hungry bunch of service people I’ve ever encountered. I’ve never had a positive encounter with a booth attendant and that is IF I’m lucky to find one when I need help. Asking for help is like walking on eggshells.

California's $500-billion pension time bomb June 30, 2013 at 1:05 PM

The state of California’s real unfunded pension debt clocks in at more than $500 billion, nearly eight times greater than officially reported.

That’s the finding from a study released Monday by Stanford University’s public policy program, confirming a recent report with similar, stunning findings from Northwestern University and the University of Chicago.

To put that number in perspective, it’s almost seven times greater than all the outstanding voter-approved state general obligation bonds in California.

Why should Californians care? Because this year’s unfunded pension liability is next year’s budget cut to important programs. For a glimpse of California’s budgetary future, look no further than the $5.5 billion diverted this year from higher education, transit, parks and other programs in order to pay just a tiny bit toward current unfunded pension and healthcare promises. That figure is set to triple within 10 years and — absent reform — to continue to grow, crowding out funding for many programs vital to the overwhelming majority of Californians.

How did we get here? The answer is simple: For decades — and without voter consent — state leaders have been issuing billions of dollars of debt in the form of unfunded pension and healthcare promises, then gaming accounting rules in order to understate the size of those promises.

As we saw during the recent financial crisis, hiding debt is not a new phenomenon. Indeed, General Motors did something similar to obscure the true cost of its retirement promises. Through aggressive accounting, for a while it, too, got away with making pension contributions that were a fraction of what it really needed to make, thereby reporting better earnings than was truly the case.

But eventually the pension promises come due, and for GM, that meant having to add extra costs to its cars, making its prices less attractive to consumers and contributing to its eventual bankruptcy.

In California’s case, past pension underfunding means reduced funding of current programs. This explains why pension costs rose 2,000% from 1999 to 2009, while state funding for higher education declined over the same period.

What can we do about this? For the promises already made, nothing. They are contractual, and because that $500 billion of debt must be paid, retirement costs will rise dramatically no matter what we do. But we can reduce the sizes of promises made to new employees and require full and truthful disclosure so that pension debt can never again be hidden.

Last summer Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger proposed exactly that. Since then? Silence. State legislators are afraid even to utter the words “pension reform” for fear of alienating what has become — since passage of the Dills Act in 1978, which endowed state public employees with collective bargaining rights on top of their civil service protections — the single most politically influential constituency in our state: government employees.

Because legislators are unwilling to raise issues that might offend that constituency, they have effectively turned the peroration of Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address on its head: Instead of a government of the people, by the people and for the people, we have become a government of its employees, by its employees and for its employees.

This explains why legislators fight harder to overturn employee furloughs than to reform pensions and elect to pay more in compensation to just 65,000 employees in one single department — corrections — than they spend on a higher education system serving 10 times as many people.

Simply put, the single most important step a legislator can take to protect programs and taxpayers is to embrace pension reform. There is no structural impediment to pension reform, and no initiative has forced legislators to issue all that pension debt. All of the damage has been caused by legislation, most notoriously SB 400 in 1999, which retroactively and prospectively boosted pension promises by billions of dollars without boosting contributions. Likewise, all the remediation can be accomplished by legislation.

Even the state legislature of Illinois — a legendary poster state for pension misbehavior — has now passed pension reform. There’s no reason the California Legislature cannot do the same.

Call or write your legislator about pension reform, and while you’re at it, remind him or her that we are indeed a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

fire their lazy .....s! June 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I would put up with a month of horrible traffic in order to get rid of the greedy, self serving, pieces of cow manure that call themselves bart employees.

Em Dubya June 30, 2013 at 1:41 PM

As much as this soap opera turns my stomach, the timing and the spotloght on egregious public sector malaise are great.

Chupacabra June 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I love it when the BART unions tell us that working people need to stick together. I’m a working person with a family to support and bills to pay and tomorrow I will lose a days pay I can’t afford to lose.

Who at SEIU is sticking with me ?

Don't like your pay? June 30, 2013 at 2:06 PM

If you aren’t happy with our pay/job……. Go find a new one! That is what I have to do when I am unhappy!

Don't like your pay? June 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM

**your*** silly iPad

Fire 'em all June 30, 2013 at 2:39 PM

BART workers claim that everyone should make $30-$40 per hour. They’re idiots. The work they do could be contracted for $10/hour – that’s more than Walmart greeters and store clerks make – and, unlike BART “workers” it actually matters if they show up. Fire ALL of em and rent some day laborers – at least they’ll work for the money.

Shut up June 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM


Call and get informed and ask a question. Stop listening to the biased media. Shut up already.

Shut up June 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Live conference right now


anonanonagain June 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Again, when the dust settles and Bart is back and running with their newly extorted raise in hand, people will forget this ever happened. Until the next time the workers grumble and scream of the injustice of it all. When are we going to wake up???? Bart needs to thin the “herd” per se and hire people that are willing to recognize what an already generous pay package they are receiving and fire the rest!!!!! Tax payers unite against these spoiled, overpaid dolts.

Teacher wannabe June 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM

@Mr. Pink. According to the public employees salary website BART employees pay nothing out if pocket for 401K, medical, etc. All paid for by BART (or us taxpayers).

@Triple Canopy. Not a perceived climate change. FACT! And I, for one, am very concerned about all the cars that will be in the road. And not just because of the inconvience.

Shut up June 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Text atu 1555 to 33733 to sign up for text updates on strike

Fred P, June 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM

SEIU – you want sympathy for your case? Then look in the dictionary between sh1t and syphilis.

Note how they all blame BART mgmt? It’s all about me, me, me……lazy-ass station agents, filthy cars…. And the list goes on….

Fire them ALL!

mailma June 30, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Bart management should worry about their jobs too. Start at the top and work your way down when cleaning up this mess. I know it won’t happen. But this brings to mind when the air traffic controllers walked out. Regan fired them all. Need I say more?

Mr. Pink June 30, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Nothing out of pocket for anything??? That seems insane.

Anonymous June 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Thank heavens Mad Mom is back. Thought she was in a 28 day program.

mikemac June 30, 2013 at 5:34 PM

All public unions should strike. Burden the citizens of the state. Then the Legislature should outlaw ALL public unions.

What?!? June 30, 2013 at 5:46 PM

@#40 “If you’re not making $37 per hour right now, you should be outraged at your employer for keeping you in poverty.”

Maybe if you’re not happy with less than $37/hr, you should be outraged at yourself for not making yourself more valuable and skilled.

Fred P, June 30, 2013 at 6:04 PM


Ahhhhhh…… Just waiting for you to join in and blame big oil, Wall St, big oil, etc….. Why don’t you compare yourself with train operators etc at other transit agencies and see where you REALLY stack up?

From what I’ve seen in decades of riding BART, the employees are VASTLY overpaid for what they do.

I like # 65’s thought. Fire them all and hire the day laborers as full-time employees . I’m sure they would do a MUCH better job. After all, they actually care!

Grower4ever June 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Get that hreedy union outta here,

Mark June 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM

A lot of people would gladly replace the striking workers at a lower salary, and with less paid benefits.

DrDuran June 30, 2013 at 7:30 PM

@SEIU sucks

BART workers can’t retire at 50, and can’t “spike” their pensions with overtime. Pensions are figured from straight time pay, not including overtime.

The retirement formula that BART is under is 2% at 55 so it pays 2% for every year worked if you retire at 55 or older. For instance someone who started at age 25 and retired at 55 wools get 60% of their last years pay per year of retirement.

The average retirement for non-management union employees is less than 3K a month.

JWB June 30, 2013 at 7:45 PM

@ Fred P #65 big words for a retired cop mooching of the tax payer for having spent the last 20 or 25 years at the local donut shop.

BCuzItsClaycord June 30, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Some of you people amaze me…..you piss and moan about BART wages & benefits well……………Why haven’t you applied for a job with BART??? BART is the only public agency in the bay area that has not had a hiring freeze of the past 5 years so you have had plenty of opportunities for employment with BART.
Of course you are the same pissers and moaners that complain about firefighter pay & benefits, police pay & benefits, city/counyt/state federal pay & benefits yet more than likely you have never applied to take the test. The county just ran the recruitment for the testing to staff the new call center…how many of you applied???? How many of you have EVER applied for a job at ANY agency…………..
Concord home of the absolute ignorant high on low mentality class………..what a great bunch of do nothing pissers and moaners…………how pathetic are the lot of you, get over you penis, ooppps mean paycheck/benefit envy You have all had the same opportunity to apply and test for the various agencies and chose not to. To bad soooo freakin sad for you

Anonymous June 30, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I’m holding our elected board members responsible. If they don’t cut salaries,I’m voting for someone who will.

Mr. J June 30, 2013 at 9:20 PM

BART sent an email reporting union walked out of talks again tonight. Strike is on. Union rejected an 8% raise over 4 years.

Fred P, June 30, 2013 at 9:38 PM


Idiot…… I don’t eat donuts – and the last time I did was 6 months out of the academy. I’m willing to bet I’m a hell of a lot healthier than you – emotionally, mentally, and physically .

As far as ” mooching off the taxpayers”…. You don’t like the system in place, then change it. Unlike BART, we never had the option to strike…. But I guess your 2 brain cells couldn’t put 1 and 1 together.

In any case, it sounds like you’re just jealous. Deal with it sonny.

BTW, sorry about the “big words.” I’ll use smaller ones next time that you can understand.

And don’t bother calling for an officer if/ when you need assistance. They’re too busy ” mooching off the taxpayers” so you have no need to call them. And if you do call for help – that just shows your hypocrisy.

Steve June 30, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Sounds like JWB is jealous, Fred P……..

Phillip from Clayton June 30, 2013 at 9:43 PM

@ JWB.

Fred is entitled to his opinion, so lighten up. I’ve seen the lack of professionalism and cleanliness at BART, so why are you defending them? Unless you’re one df the SEIU parasites….

Never mind, I’ve answered my own question.

Fred, there’s no need to call JWB an idiot. That’s an insult to idiots everywhere….

Fred P. June 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM


Sorry, the last donut I had was 6 months after the academy graduation.

Sorry about the big words. I’ll use smaller (one syllable) words you can understand next time.

Re: mooching. You don’t like it, then change it. Nobody is forcing you to use police services. I’m willing to bet that you got caught doing something stupid, which is why you have this hatred.

I’d like to see you pass the background investigation, the polygraph, the medical evaluation, the psychological evaluation, the oral boards, etc… Just so you could get hired – then have to pass the academy and the FTO program……just so you could deal with individuals like yourself.

Nothing like insulting someone for their opinion now, is there?

The_Dadster June 30, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Effin’ greedy pigs!! Too stupid to realize that the liberal jackholes they keep re-electing give with one hand and take with the other – via a wide assortment of ever increasing taxes, fees, etc. Then they scratch their heads and wonder why they can’t get ahead..

JoeJoe June 30, 2013 at 11:14 PM

JWB is an idiot. Others post their opinions and he attacks THEM. He must “work” for BART or the SEIU.

@JWB – you don’t like others’ opinions? Then don”t effing read them!

JoeJoe July 1, 2013 at 6:08 AM

Looks like the sentiment is running well against the unions. JWB, are you gonna take all others to task? Or just piss on Fred cause you hate cops?

I think I know…

JWB July 1, 2013 at 8:04 AM

@JoeJoe, where do you get the idea that I would hate cops? Simply because I point out that Fred is a hypocrite doesn’t mean that I hate cops.

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