Suspect Killed by Concord Police Identified as 21-year-old Bay Point Man

May 13, 2013 · 107 comments

A man fatally shot by Concord police who were in Antioch working a drug case Friday night has been identified as Charles Burns, according to the Contra Costa County coroner’s office.

Burns, 21, was shot after Concord police say they were conducting surveillance around 9 p.m. at a home in the 2700 block of Barcelona Circle in Antioch.

The man was a suspect in a drug sales case at a house that police were attempting to serve a search warrant. While watching the house, Burns allegedly came out and got into a car driven by another 21-year-old Bay Point man.

Officers tried to contact Burns to serve the warrant, but the driver of the car allegedly drove off and rammed an occupied police vehicle. Burns allegedly ran from the car, which was when two officers fired and hit him.

According to police, the officers feared for their safety. Police unsuccessfully attempted to revive Burns with life-saving techniques. The driver was arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer, police said.

Antioch and Concord police and the Contra Costa County District Attorney’s Office are investigating the shooting.

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1 ts May 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM

If only theey told the real truth as to What happened. If an unmarked van pulled up on me with a man holding an assault rifle id drive off and the cops rammed Him. Maybe the task force team should rethink their approaches

2 Jimmyjack May 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM

“Police unsuccessfully attempted to revive Burns with life-saving techniques”. You mean stood around and waited for the Fire department and ambulance to get there. Not a police hater,but that is what usually happens. Basic CPR at best. Doesn’t work when you have a lot of holes in you…………….

3 BNice May 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I heard they shot this boy 13 times.And he wasn’t armed.Drug thug or not.I know that he is someones son.I’m always sorry to see this occur.

4 Elwood May 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Another scumbag goes to heaven. (“You don’t know him, he’s my friend, he’s a good guy etc, the same crap you hear every time.)

And the cops went home to their families.

5 Subterfuge May 13, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Burns didn’t live at the residence. Why would they attempt to contact him to serve the search warrant on a separate residence. Where is the Nexus?

6 CCW May 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

If he was running away i don’t understand how they feared for their life.

7 anon May 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Have they released the name of the driver?

8 Rebel May 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

If you look at the video and photos from the news, the suspect was shot while running AWAY from the officers. He ran forward, towards the intersection, leaving the accident behind him. Who knows if he reached for something. The police need to clarify this ASAP!

9 GetTheFactsStraight May 13, 2013 at 6:37 PM

“Ran from the car” does not necessarily mean “Was running away from” the police. It could mean the suspect exited the vehicle and ran towards the officers with a weapon or what appeared to be a weapon. I have been around the cops and robbers game a long time and have seen hundreds of cases where a suspect passenger flees a vehicle following a chase and crash. 99% of the time, the officers chase the suspect on foot. Lets wait for all the facts before we jump to conclusions. The phrase “from” the car may just be a poor job of editing by a reporter from the CC Times or a poor job of drafting a press release by CPD from a public information officer that was not even there.

10 CG May 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I believe the Concord Police do their best. I have not seen them have a need to just kill. We do not know the whole story as we were not there. I am sad for anyone that dies due to their action or the action of another however I also know the Concord Police always to their best to protect. In calling the police for a suspicious person in my neighborhood looking into a neighbors window they came quickly they acted professional and they held the young man for questioning and took him off. I know some police fire to kill all the time I just do not believe the Concord Police are that way, I respect them and we should all respect the police. Remember one bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch.

11 Julio-Antioch May 13, 2013 at 6:53 PM

@CG right on. Let’s wait before judgment. Another criminal behind bars is a good thing. Just hope a judge does his job correctly.

12 NRA #1 fan and member May 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Antioch is the new Oakland. The police DID THE RIGHT THING
by shooting and fearing for their life.

I fully stand with the police on this one….now onto the next Antioch shooting please.

13 kilo May 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM

The only people saying he “was running away” are folks here (family and friends of the suspect and general police-hating folks). There is nothing official released by anyone that said he was running away only that he ran from the car. It doesn’t say if he was running towards officers, away from there or towards bystanders.

These same people (family and friends of the suspect and general police-hating folks) also keep saying he was “shot in the back.” Again, there has been nothing official released by anyone to substantiate this. I actually doubt this was the case, but even if it was, there could be reasons that justify it (such as running towards where innocent people are located to put them in danger).

You also don’t know what kind of information the police had about the suspect beforehand.

Perhaps someone told the police that Burns was armed and going to shoot it out with police, then they ram a car and he runs towards officers. This is a lot different than some poor guy who according to people that didn’t actually witness anything saying he was running away.

It’s terrible someone was killed, but jumping to lots of conclusions based upon very limited information (news reports from hours later and a generic press release) doesn’t do anyone any good. I doubt CPD will release anything official with all the facts for quite some time. Investigations like this take weeks or months.

14 Sinn Feiner May 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM

So has it been confirmed yet whether Burns was shot in the “Back” or the “Back of the head”? I keep reading conflicting stories and comments.

15 ... May 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Police shoot to kill. Keeps them from being sued. Sad but true.

16 kilo May 13, 2013 at 7:34 PM

@ Sinn Feiner

No, it has not been. and I doubt it will be because I seriously doubt that he was.

17 Atticus Thraxx May 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Let Antioch police shoot their own people. CPD needs to come back over the hill. I see half dozen people a day in Concord that needs shootin’.

18 Bill May 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Cowards probably shot the kid in the back.. Will they use the good ol’ “Thought it was my taser” routine??

19 The Theorist May 13, 2013 at 8:23 PM

at least they didnt burn him alive in his home or beat him to death then comfiscate all the bystanders cell fones to keep incriminating evidence of abuse of power out of the hands of the public like in bakersfield and LA.
the truth is out there but be dam sure we the public will never find it out.
Look at the past endiscretions of the Concord PD, small corrupt actions (canceling tickets,covering up for fellow officers, etc) you think if it was a wrongful shooting, any justice would be found. NOPE, paid leave for murder then a joke of an “investigation”. and no I dont hate cops, I hate what has happend to the system and the corruption and abuse of power.
You read it right there in the release “they feared for their safety” therefore “clear shooting” no evidence to back it up. Just take their word for it.
Nothing to see here sheeple, move along.

20 Parsnip May 13, 2013 at 8:30 PM

@#3 — “boy”? Oh … now we’re playing the age game, too.

21 wrongful death May 13, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Why dont you ask Concord PD why they wont allow for the cell phone footage be played on the news.

Theres atleast 3 videos of the incident. They all include footage of CPD shooting this man 14 times in the back, than walking up to him and shooting once more after he was already down.

22 maria guzman May 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

I think cops need to worry about catching real bad guys like murderers and rapists. to kill a drug dealer or user is not right. they need rehab not to be shot in back.

23 crazytech58 May 13, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Sad…… No Way, when police yell, “put your hands up” or “stay in the car”,….. and you take off running….. you are OBVIOUSLY guilty of something serious, so I am glad that the police did what they should do, stop the felon before he can cause more trouble…..

24 Matt May 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Live by the sword die by the sword. I am glad he died. Maybe his friends will
realize its not cool to act like a thug now and they can clean up their lives…

25 cold blooded people May 13, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Your are glad he is dead? Tell his mother and father that! He was her only child! Tell his 85 year old grandmother that and his fiance and two year old stepdaughter that ! You will all be shocked when the TRUTH comes out because it will!!! I would never wish harm upon anybody but with those hurtful things being said about Charles and his family I hope you all suffer a lose as great as this one! Your all pigs!! 5-12-91/5-10-13 rest in peace Charles we love you and miss you!!

26 cold blooded people May 13, 2013 at 9:31 PM

He wasn’t a felon btw! Never been in jail or prison! Never was charged with anything!!! Shows how much you know!! And he graduated from highschool!

27 QR May 13, 2013 at 9:33 PM

We will all be paying the price for police misconduct as taxpayers when the police lose the wrongful death lawsuit that will surely come from the deceased’s family

28 Fred p. May 13, 2013 at 9:35 PM

The self-styled experts in all things law enforcement once again come out of the woodwork.

29 anonymous May 13, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Wow the loonies are out now. One of them thinks the cops can keep the media from using cell phone videos. Another says he was never arrested,Maria wants to put meth dealers in rehab and then we are called sheeple. So original.

30 Justice May 13, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Im all for removin these dirtbags off the streets.. But this sounds like a pretty shady shooting for the cpd.. Unarmed and running away?? Did they even have a marked police car?? I would ran ram them to if they were following me around!! I have heard stories of the cpd being crooked.. Wouldnt dought some of them still are..

31 Dennis May 13, 2013 at 9:49 PM

soooo … cops were watching a house doing drug deals, lotsa cops show up with a warrant for the house, and Chucky and his buddy from Bay Point arrive on the scene after dark, Chucky goes in to do the deal, comes out and sees all the cops, hops in the car with his buddy to ram the blockade of police cars and escape back to Bay Point. Chucky sees the epic fail of his buddy ramming a cop car, decides to abandon his buddy, and try to get through the blockade on foot, and is shot.

that about right?

all the eye witnesses here, where were you, in the house? at what point did you determine Chucky was unarmed? did you do that before the police fired? I doubt it.

give the cops a bonus.

all you eyewitnesses here be sure and tell your pals that doing drug deals around the 2700 block of Barcelona Circle in Antioch is a good way to end up dead.

keep it in Bay Point, ie. Quentin East.

32 Triple Canopy May 13, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Obey the law… and live.

Save your community… “delete” all drug dealers.

33 Ven Xeter May 13, 2013 at 10:03 PM

The police didn’t kill this punk, his father did a long time ago. What is a 51 year old “man” doing dressing and acting like a 14 year old gang banger wannabe from Richmond? If you’re going to bring children into this world, you have a responsibility to be a role model and show that child what it means to be an adult. Doing the exact opposite will inevitably lead to tragedy.

34 Lousy excuse May 13, 2013 at 10:03 PM

“I feared for my life, so I shot him.” That’s complete BS. But, a good way for all cops to legally get away with MURDER. Happens all the time.

35 anonomom May 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Since when does “serving a warrant” consist of waiting for the “suspect” to come out of a house????
I can only hope the officers involved are held accountable for this tragic case.

36 Rebel May 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM

@35

Simple, they follow him until he picks up drugs, then pull him over. Happens all the time.

37 Somewhat May 13, 2013 at 10:36 PM

There is so much that is still not known about this case. If they were tailing him, which if they were he was certainly up to no good to put the all those resources ($) to follow him.
Those that are sympathizing that he was only a drug dealer, he was a sweet guy blah de blah blah. Well I’ve got news for you, drug dealers are not angels. They are not selling shoes or blenders or furniture, They are helping to ruin lives……
They sell to whoever has the cash. They don’t care if you are addicted, pregnant, neglecting your children, using til you are throwing up in the toilet. They don’t care if you get so high that you overdose. They don’t care if children become addicted themselves. They just see the cold hard cash and that is all. Heartless.
They sometimes sell pot, other times dangerous crap like Meth, heroin or cocaine. It ruins lives including the drug dealer who inevitably will end up using the $***. The man at the top could give a rats because he can find another schlepp to sell the stuff. And the cycle continues….
How do I know you ask? My younger sister got involved with a drug dealer and now she is hooked on heroin. He is the lowest form of pond scum…….

38 Em Dubya May 13, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I’m always sorry to hear news like this. I’m also a strong advocate of civil liberties who practices law. In my private life I am focused on family-oriented and community-oriented activities. Through my professional circles and personal circles I incidentally know lots of police. As much as I bristle at getting pulled over or at receiving a parking ticket, the folks in law enforcement are also the people next door.

Police don’t go to work to hunt people like deer; try talking to a local cop and hear about the split-second decisions they make each night at 2am while most of us are safely asleep in bed.

I don’t know anything here, except: 1) the kid was wanted and used force to evade, 2) officers felt that there was a threat to safety; 3) big government stinks but each cop I know doesn’t go to work to hunt people or hang out with people who do.

39 Oops May 13, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Sounds like some attorneys are gonna get rich.

40 cold blooded people May 13, 2013 at 11:00 PM

I laugh at all of you!! Charles didn’t get his day in court but these cops will and justice will be served! #justiceforcharlesburns

41 To everyone.. May 13, 2013 at 11:13 PM

To everyone who says that he didn’t hurt anybody and was a good guy- dealers want to maximize profit. To do that, they often cut their product with other stuff to make it go further. Testing on coke, heroin, meth have shown household cleaning products cut into the drugs. How can you say he didn’t hurt anybody? How can you as a family ( and friends) standby him knowing what he was doing? Did you ever stage an intervention to get him to stop selling drugs?

I think the family turned a blind eye to his illegal ways because he was giving them money. Now that their cash cow is gone, they will sue to get money they don’t deserve.

42 Hmmmm May 13, 2013 at 11:21 PM

OK so the CPD was in Antioch in an unmarked vehicle serving a warrant at a home where the deceased doesn’t reside. Once they decide to make themselves known, they ignore the driver of a vehicle that either they hit, or hit them, and they gun down the unarmed young man running for his life. I think Charles knew something those cops didn’t want him to know. Internal affairs needs to take over.

43 west side May 13, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Just like the rays….pos. there is like maybe 5 in the burns family that’s worth a damn. and that’s probably stretching it

44 Hmmmm May 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM

1985 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Tennessee vs. Garner specifically outlaws cops gunning down “an apparently unarmed, non-dangerous fleeing suspect.”

45 Parsnip May 14, 2013 at 5:48 AM

@#25 — Wonderful. A drug dealer with a 2-yr-old as part of his life no less. So aside from distribution of drugs (and any other sidelines he might have been participating in) — and activity that damaged the lives of others — he associated with other scum endangering the life of a child. Thanks for the heads up on that one, too!

@#26 — “He wasn’t a felon btw! Never been in jail or prison! Never was charged with anything!!!”

That was about to change, wasn’t it?

And, for the record, before add Mommy/Daddy/Grandma to your epiphany not every poster is “glad that he is dead.” Some of us, however, are curious as to where they were PRIOR to this incident.

46 MS.P. May 14, 2013 at 5:50 AM

It could have bee a quick judgement call–it’s not an easy one to make especially if someone was just trying to kill you. So sorry for something like this to happen..but…

47 Acc May 14, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Atticus Thraxx! Lol, yep. Ain’t that the truth. How hav u been? We should go get coffee one day and catch up! Hope you’re well.

48 Darwin May 14, 2013 at 6:50 AM

Sounds like Charles takes after his father, not so bright. He should have gave up and raised his hands. He has to take some responsibility for his untimely death…In the big picture, he was just spreading poison and ruining lives.

49 The Mamba May 14, 2013 at 6:50 AM

I’m definitely in favor of police officers pursuing and detaining drug dealers in our area, but shooting a 21 year old kid that got out of a car and was running away isn’t right, legal or good police work. I hope there is more to the story, but if there isn’t, there should be a thorough, transparent investigation.

50 @hmmm May 14, 2013 at 6:51 AM

The guy ran from the vehicle toward cops. They shot him. The driver was arrested. It’s just a shame that more if this scumbag’s family wasn’t in the truck with him.

51 @cold blooded people May 14, 2013 at 6:52 AM

He got justice. That’s why he’s dead.

52 Pat May 14, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Don’t wanna get shot? Well, then don’t run away from the police. Very simple.

53 SC May 14, 2013 at 7:57 AM

The family apparently seems to think they just hit the lottery with this one, they think they are going to get a multi-million settlement for this? Everyone says what a ‘great guy’ this kid was, but as someone else here said, “How can you say he didn’t hurt anybody? How can you as a family ( and friends) standby him knowing what he was doing? Did you ever stage an intervention to get him to stop selling drugs?”. The kid was a drug dealer, a thug (just look at his ‘father’ for some clues as to what kind of family they are). One less drug dealer to worry about.

54 Uncle Jimbo May 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM

He’s coming right at us!

Bang.

Dead.

55 Sad.. May 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

It’s sad when friends come here to defend, you guys call them “loonies” and other names. What if it was your friend? Brother? You don’t know the whole story, and you believe everything you hear and read.

If your brother was shot 13 times in the back, unarmed (the story I heard), how would you feel? Maybe he was a good guy who got caught up in the wrong stuff. Let these people grieve. No one was there to know for sure what happened. You don’t know this man. People make mistakes, including the police.

Get off your high horse, and put yourself in their shoes for once.

Sad story. Didn’t have to kill him. What happened to trials? Let the jury decide his fate, not you and your gun.

56 BNice May 14, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Paranoia strikes deep
into your life it will creep
it starts when your always afraid
step out a line ,the man comes and takes you away
Stop, children whats that sound
everybody look whats goin down

Create more positive action in your own life and community and we all will benefit.
Namaste’

57 Magic 8 Ball May 14, 2013 at 9:12 AM

There are two different, distinct and separate investigations occurring here. 1) Antioch PD – the venue agency and the District Attorney’s Office the charging agency, are conducting a criminal investigation into the shooting – was it lawful or was it criminal. 2) Concord PD will be conducting an Internal investigation to see if the shooting was within policy. The final determiner in the criminal case will be the District Attorney’s Office. Later the Sheriff’s Office through the Coroner’s Division will hold a public inquest, They will impanel a regular jury drawn from the jury pool, to determine the circumstances, manner, and cause of death. This is open to the public and will be held at the Martinez City Council chambers. In addition, the State’s investigation does not preclude the FBI from looking into this as well but that is unlikely due to Contra Costa County’s “Protocol for Law Enforcement Involved Fatal Incidents” investigation procedures. which by the way as been in effect since March 1984. The public will get their answers but it’s going to take sometime. This is not TV where things get wrapped up in a single one hour episode. This will be investigated and the chips will fall where they may.

58 Uncle Jimbo May 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM

@ Mamba,

21-yo drug-dealer and you say he’s a “kid”? Uh, no. He was an adult…an astoundingly stupid one, but an adult nonetheless.

@ Sad,
What happened to trials? Hmm, let’s see, d-bag criminals who on many occasions killed cops during course of arrest or pursuit. You have no f-ing idea exactly what happened, where/to whom he was running, if he made any movements that could have been costrued as going for a weapon. If the dips**t would have just got out of the car with his hands up, he’d be just one more POS drug dealer…wow, kinda just like the driver who RAMMED the cop car…seems he was just fine once he decided to listen to the people with guns and badges.

59 LH May 14, 2013 at 9:20 AM

ok well aren’t police given training on how to injure someone in that type of situation? And so all the drug dealers should get the book thrown at them? What bout your local pharmacy? Throw the book at them? Just seems to be a Steven Vales gun down. But couldn’t the pd spend there time working on missing kids or rapes or robberies? No? It’s sad how full the jails are and there mostly no violent inmates. Seems the pd is chasing these “dealers” so they can put a buck in there pocket not to mention whatever else they can find. It’s a vicious cycle. But the more you tell someone they cant do something (what happens) thats right the more there going to want to do it. It’s a sick stupid stubborn world we have to live with…..Good luck with all, hope it gets resolved and not dragged out for everyones sake.

60 Sad.. May 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM

You’re right, I was not there. But neither were you. All I’m saying is get your facts straight before assuming what had happened.

Was he running at the cops? Did he have a gun? Was he scared? Can you answer those questions?? I can’t. I was not there.

Did you know him personally?? There are so many unanswered questions, and yet you all jump on the most miniscule details and assume you have the right to judge someone. I am a constant reader of this site and it never ceases to amaze me some of the people I call “neighbors”.

My point was no one knows the whole story. If you believe everything you hear or read, then that’s a sad life. I almost feel sorry for you.

61 Shuley May 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Wasn’t one of the biggest drug dealers in the area the head of the Contra Costa drug task force? And now people trust the police to do the right thing? Can’t wait to see the next tax or bond measure that will come up to pay off the wrongful death suit..

62 Uncle Jimbo May 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM

LH,
For the love of all that is good and holy in this world, please tell me you have not procreated, and furthermore, have no intentions of ever doing so.

63 princess T May 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM

@ Maria Guzman

Drug dealers do kill people slow and silently. I know that u wouldn’t want your kid becoming friends with a murder.

64 Brian Griffin May 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM

It doesn’t really matter what happened, they’re gonna get a pass anyway.

65 Uncle Jimbo May 14, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Sad,
More teary-eyed and mindless pontification on your part…again, my thesis is: Just get out of the car with your hands up, and you live. Just like the driver who rammed the cop car. Whether he was scared, mad, had a gun, didn’t but said he did, etc etc are things yet to be determined. But what is a fact is he set the wheels in motion for his own demise by opening that door and trying to escape.

66 Justice to be served May 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I would like to advise that all the negative comments are all way off and know nothing about what’s being said or what truely happened. Charles and his parents are close friends of our family and I really hope and pray that the cops that shot him go to prison for Murder just like any other citizen without a badge would for commiting this crime, It’s no different! This could have been prevented I agree but what’s done is done and i hope Justice is served for the Burns family because Concord PD is in for a rude awaking now, they have messed with the wrong family and it will be dealt with in a legal way. Guarentee these pigs won’t make it out of Prison if they are convicted. It’s just a shame! RIP Charles and Much love and respect goes out to the Burns family, Charles is now watching over you as you fight the battle needed to put these Cops in their place. They are always using the”Fear for our lives” to their advantage and it’s time some loved ones put a stop to this!!

67 Enough with bashing the family already May 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

@Darwin
“Sounds like Charles takes after his father, not so bright.”

The man has a speech impediment and was trying to maintain composure after the shock of his life and just wanted answers. They wouldn’t even let him see his son’s body for himself. Any parent would be irate. He may have had no knowledge of his alleged illegal activity. You don’t know.

68 Parsnip May 14, 2013 at 1:26 PM

@#66 — “Charles is now watching over you as you fight the battle needed to put these Cops in their place.”

Translation: A drug dealer’s concern is for no life but his own.

69 Wildcat May 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Awww, mayhem in Richmond East.

70 Anon May 14, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I don’t know the kid or family but have heard through people that have some insight on this situation and I heard the cops rammed their van into the truck and the kid jumped out running and stopped put his hands up and was shot. I don’t know if this is fact or fiction but it seems to be what was said by witnesses.

Trust me I’m another person who is all for getting street thugs off our streets but it seems like this might have been overkill and handled poorly by pd. we will see when the facts come out I guess. But either way a very young mans life was taken and that’s sad no matter what happened. I only wish bad things on murderers, rapist and child molesters.

It’s funny though, all these people saying good job pd and the kid deserved to die are worse then some of the criminals on the street. That is sick, inhumane and just not right. We are all human beings and life is very precious. So go ahead and keep posting nasty comments and thoughts on here and when your done look yourself in the mirror, look at your kids faces or your family faces and remember you we’re on here praising death and cracking jokes about someone else’s family member that died.

Just sick!

Well hope this story turns out the best it could so there can be closure for all sides.

71 Bmahwest925 May 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM

@Elwood if your gonna keep trying to be an internet thug you better prove it, cuz im tired of seeing your negative comments

72 anon May 14, 2013 at 4:21 PM

“If your brother was shot 13 times in the back, unarmed (the story I heard), how would you feel? ”
If he was a drug dealer–that would be OK with me

“Charles and his parents are close friends of our family and I really hope and pray that the cops that shot him go to prison for Murder”
1. Choose new friends
2. Charles needed to go to prison for what he did

“They wouldn’t even let him see his son’s body for himself.”
Standard procedure–deal with it

73 Bmahwest925 May 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Anon who are u to be judging someones life?

74 Sad.. May 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Really? You’d be okay with your own flesh and blood being shot and killed if he was a drug dealer?? Instead of trying to get him help, you’d be okay with him getting killed. What kind of person are you?

Sometimes people stray from the right path. I’m not justifying what he chose to do with his life, but you’ve never made mistakes? He was 21 years old. Too young to have lived his life, and we’ve all made a few bad choices in ours, especially when we were young.

Do you understand how heartless, close minded and down rigt pathetic you sound? Let’s just kill off everyone who’s made bad choices in their lives, that will show them!

Despicable. If you have kids, I feel sorry for them.

75 Gus May 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM

@bmawwest925

Why do you wanna be playa playa gangstas always put your phone prefix in your names?

Do you have a tattoo that says “thug nasty, nasty thug?”

I look forward to your obit when you resist arrest. Last noise you will here is “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, Opps.”

Ps. A job should last longer than pair of shoes.

76 Darwin May 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM

@ Enough with bashing the family already.

I was more focused on the fathers appearance rather than what he was saying.

77 My Everything May 14, 2013 at 7:09 PM

All you people want to bad mouth him, but yet you dont know him. you only know what others say. If you truly knew him you would know he was good!!! Despite his choices in life he was an amazing person. And as far as him running its known in Antioch that the cops out there love to kill people. He was running cause he didnt want to die!!

78 Alexandria r lee May 14, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I will say the same thing i said on Facebook. Look charles was a good person and did not deserve. To die the way he did the police and sheriff department is getting away with things that are not RIGHT such as taking the life of another some dau that could be your son brother fatherand how do you think the cops will handle it then? Lie about the things leading. Up to this evbt so that they do. Not have to take responsible for the actions they should be receiving Punishment for? I hope that everyone thinks long and hard how often your family has to suffer for the prices of untrained officer s living in your own cities and getting away with plain as day murder! One dayit might be your lived ones just Like as this case and many in the past have been in mine .. its hard to want to continue living in a place of no real justice for people and were. Constant murder of family is so easily. Looked over. Rip Charles Burns we miss you and love you and your unborn child will live on in your memories …
Always and forever hating the lies told to us!
Alexandria. R Lee

79 Elwood May 14, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Scumbag dead.

Cops alive.

The way it should be!

Oh, by the way, he was a wonderful person, a veritable choir boy and it’s very unkind of people to point out that he was a dope dealer scumbag.

80 David May 15, 2013 at 4:37 AM

DID HE HAVE A WEAPON? TWO COPS FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES? I seriously doubt that. So its death for first offense drug dealing now. AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE FACTS WHEN,. . . WHO IS INVESTIGATING THIS? WHO? oh yeah concord pd, antioch pd, and contra costa da. i can already see how this is going to end. two murderers are going to get away with ahh,. . murder.

81 Jeff May 15, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Not at all to badmouth cops – who do a great job.

But it’s interesting. A lot of the “Anti-gunners” that are on here are defending cops for what seems to be a bad shoot, at least with the basic fact of this guy running away. Yet they have always said “only the good guys should have them” and we citizens are not responsible enough to.

Wonder why we open carriers were berated simply for exercising our rights, yet the same posters defend a police officer for shooting a fleeing drug dealer that may not have posed ANY kind of threat.

It’s an interesting paradox. But let’s let the facts come out before we judge. I feel for the family of this young man, but he also apparently made some poor choices in life that put him in a bad position to begin with.

Kids, learn from this – bad choices make for bad results.

82 Steve May 15, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Good God…… I’ve NEVER seen so much jumping to conclusions. Half of you are telling us the cops should go to prison for murder and the kid was an angel/went to Sunday School/never did anything bad/was consistently a “good” person/etc – while the other half is saying the kid was a drug dealer/scumbag/gangsta/etc……..

Until the facts come out in this investigation, all that I see is a bunch of opinionated idiots who have NO knowledge of the facts at hand, and that have NO knowledge of LE training.

@#15 – Police are not trained to “shoot to kill.” They are trained to STOP THE THREAT.

@#21 – Let’s see the proof to back up your claim.

@Maria #22 – so drug dealing is (in your mind) not a crime? What rock did you crawl out from?

@Lousy #34 – “legally get away with murder”? Obviously you don’t know the law. If it’s murder, you CAN’T get away with it.

@anonmom#35 – So you don’t like the way a warrant was served? Tell me – in your vast repository of law enforcement experience – what method(s) do you use in serving warrants? Go on, tell me. Then tell me what law enforcement training you’ve had (other than watching Adam-12)..

@#42 – You’re correct.

@#44 – Once all the FACTS are in, then true.

@#49 – There had BETTER be a full investigation, in ANY case.

@LH #59 – No, police are NOT trained to “injure” someone. They are trained to STOP THE THREAT.

@#66 – So you “know” EXACTLY what happened? How were you involved in this whole situation?

@#77 and @#78 – You have the “right” to defend Charles. But you do NOT have the knowledge of the entire situation, so you CANNOT make a judgement as to EXACTLY what happened. That’s what the investigation is for. Until such time as all the facts come out, don’t bother with the glorifying of this individual. Yeah – it’s too bad it happened. But it did. the investigation will be done by those NOT involved. You think there’ll be lies? Then go to the DAs office and complain. Otherwise, shaddup.

Yeah, there probably will be lawsuits – but we live in a lawsuit-happy world where very few people take responsibility for their actions.

83 @ My Everything/Alexandria r lee May 15, 2013 at 7:49 AM

My Everything; and yet the driver of the car, the one alleged to committed a felony by ramming the police car followed orders, was arrested and is right as rain today.

You might want to re-think your ” And as far as him running its known in Antioch that the cops out there love to kill people” argument. It would appear that following orders is a better plan than not following orders and running…. but hey, YMMV.

Alexandria r lee; I find many things disturbing about your post but why be Mr. Obvious. I’ll just say the “many have been in mine” comment is scary. I’ve lived my entire life in the Bay Area and I have never know anyone or even know someone who knew someone who was shot by the police. Sorry for the loss of your friend but you and yours might be the very reason why we need police in society.

Let be honest, Mr. Burns lived a high risk life style. He knew what he is alleged to be doing was wrong and could result in prison or worse. Mr. Burns, like a lot of people in prison, thought he was smarter than everyone else and would never be caught. When Mr. Burns realized that his world was crashing down around him and life as he knew it was coming to an end panicked. Are the police responsible for his death? Yes but where it not for the actions of Mr.Burns himself, he would be right as rain at this very moment.

We all have choices in life; some of us choose poorly. Darwin’s theory in action.

84 Horse'n Around May 15, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Awsome Steve! Well said!

85 Parsnip May 15, 2013 at 9:05 AM

@#77 — ” He was running cause he didnt want to die!!”

But he was dealing drugs because he wanted ________________________ .

86 Bmahwest925 May 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM

And @Gus if your wondering what the west part is in my Name its because im from West Pittsburg

87 Elmwood 79 May 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Your sarcasism is not what so ever funny.

For those concord police officers responsible for the shooting death, learn saftlety procedure of any weapon before pulling it out of the holsters. I.e index fingers straight and NOT on the trigger, both palms pressed together around the base of the weapon.

AN ON THE JOB SHOOTING (someone life has been extingished) IS STILL CONSIDERD A HOMICIDE.

Another thing i dont remember is that there was no report of Charles shooting at officers first and the officers returning fire.

88 @ Elmwood 97 May 15, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Ahh I don’t think anyone is claiming this was an accidental shooting. Based on the outcome they were practicing good sight picture, trigger control and breathing techniques.

Yes on the job shooting are homicides, the question is was it justified (197 PC) or manslaughter (193 PC).

89 Justice to be served May 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM

REST IN PEACE CHARLES!! You are loved and Missed. WOW! Charles sure did have a big fan club that he wasn’t even aware of..LMAO!!

90 Horse'n Around May 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM

LH You say ” Seems the pd is chasing these “dealers” so they can put a buck in there pocket not to mention whatever else they can find. ” You make it sound as if the police get a bonus on their paycheck if they catch drug dealers. Are you serious? It all start’s with using drug’s, then if they work and can’t afford to pay for their drugs from the paychecks anymore they start stealing and robbing from good, honest ,hardworking people like me. So I don’t feel sorry for the guy. So if a police officer yells stop or I’ll shoot!, maybe now the next scum bag might think twice before trying to run.

91 over looked facts May 15, 2013 at 11:13 PM

To those of you who knew this young man i am sorry for your loss. For those of you who insist on degrading his memory and passing judgment on his family, you are the worst that claycord has to offer. You are not upstanding people. If you are righteous in your actions and comments you wouldnt need to bash others who are suffering.
Finally the fact that everyone seems to be overlooking is that while the VICTIM was suspected of dealing drugs, does no one find it interesting or concerning that despite searching 3 locations and the vehicle, that no drugs were found….. Is it possible the young man may have not been selling drugs? Or because the police suspected as much it must be true. I would think if he was such a big time dealer that would warrant such a police response that they would have found evidence when the conducted the searches.
Cops have a difficult job and are faced with tough choices. We grant them a lot of wiggle room when it comes to decisions they make. We allow them to carry weapons assumming that they are trained when to and when not use them. If the shooting was unjustified as I believe it was, the there needs to be accountability. Officers have non leathal weapons that may be used if they feel threatened,
PS, i live across the street from where the shooting occured. Eye witnesses have all said the young man was not in any way threatening. After he was shot and lay mortally wounded, because he wasnt following commands (because he was dead from head shot) they then released the dogs on him. By all who saw this happen it was an overkill. No marked cars. They didnt ram the mini-van, it tried to cut them off. Those are just the facts from people who were actually there.
Again, to the friends and family, i am sorry for you loss. For those using this as a chance to hide behind you computer, may god be with as well. Just remember that police are people who can sometimes act as bad as the people they are chasing.
No One wins here. It is a bad deal all the way around

92 Justice to be served May 16, 2013 at 7:32 AM

@over looked facts~Thank you!! and that’s all these cowards on here are doing, Your statement is as true as ever!! RIP Charles…We love you dearly! No matter what Charles will never be forgotten….Justice will be served!!

93 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 9:41 AM

#61 – to answer your question – No!

Any other red herring matters you want quashed?

94 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

@ H #44

Which official report determined this matter involved an “apparently” unarmed person, using the reasonable officer, under same/similar circumstances standard?

And same goes for “non dangerous?”

And, while you are at it when did anyone officially refute the officer’s official statements that they were unreasonable in fearing for their lives?

95 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:06 AM

FYI, The United States Supreme Court and the California Supreme Court have held that flight is merely one factor in the totality of the circumstances that a court will look at to determine whether reasonable suspicion exist.

However, it is an important factor, because fleeing from police officers, as opposed to simply refusing to cooperate, is inherently suspicious and therefore “can be a key factor in determining whether in a particular case the police have sufficient cause to detain.” (People v. Souza, supra, 9 Cal.4th at p. 235.)

“Headlong flight, wherever it occurs, is the consummate act of evasion: it is not necessarily indicative of wrongdoing, but it is certainly suggestive of such.” (United States v. Wardlow, supra, 528 U.S. at p. 124.)

96 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Also, While a suspect who is fleeing from officers would not feel free to terminate the encounter, he is not seized until he is apprehended.

Although the suspect’s flight will not automatically provide officers with grounds to detain or arrest, flight is such a highly suspicious circumstance that not much more is required.

(California v. Hodari D. (1991) 499 U.S. 621, 626; People v. Johnson (1991) 231 Cal.App.3d 1, 11

97 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:09 AM

A suspect has no right to resist a lawful detention.

(People v. Lloyd (1989) 216 Cal.App.3d 1425, 1429.)

98 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM

A suspect who does not stop has violated Penal Code Section 148 by obstructing or delaying the officer in the performance of his or her duties. (In re Andre P. (1991) 226 Cal.App.3d 1164, 1169.)

Flight during a lawful detention constitutes resisting. (People v. Quiroga (1993) 16 Cal.App.4th 961, 966.)

99 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:14 AM

The force used by a person acting in self-defense, whether lethal or non-lethal, must be reasonable under the circumstances.

Therefore, the test is that there must be “apparent necessity.”

There must be an honest and reasonable belief in the apparent peril and the need to defend oneself.

(See Penal Code Section 197(3); 1 Witkin, Cal. Crim. Law 3d (2000) Defenses, Section 66.)

100 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:15 AM

The law recognizes that a person acting in a stressful situation is not able to reflect upon his actions and the perceived threat against him to the same degree as a person who is not being confronted by an emergency situation.

When an attack is sudden and the peril is swift and imminent, immediate action may be necessary.

In such cases, the law does not second-guess and say that one might have resorted to other means to secure one’s safety.

(People v. Hecker (1895) 109 Cal. 451, 467.)

101 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM

The law recognizes that an officer must make instantaneous decisions based on the appearance of danger.

“He may act upon such appearances with safety; and if without fault or carelessness he is misled concerning them, and defends himself correctly according to what he supposes the facts to be, his act is justifiable….”

(People v. Collins (1961) 189 Cal.App.2d 575, 588.)

102 Don't Censor Me Bro May 16, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Bottom line –

When considering all of the facts and circumstances known to them at the time…

Was the officers’ use of deadly force objectively reasonable and justified?

103 @Elmwood 97 88 May 16, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Perhaps you dont understand what i was saying in 87.

If the police had properly used the safety procedure in handling a firearm, none of the officers would have jumped the trigger. They need to go thru life saving practices again. Its a shame that it takes a death for them to go thru it again.

104 Witnesses speak out May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

As much as we’d like to think the police are always doing the right thing, I can’t forget Central Contra Costa County California Narcotic Enforcement Team Commander Norman Wielsch was indicted on multiple charges. The counts include embezzlement, second-degree burglar and conspiracy, as well as the drug-related charges.

Witnesses are scared to come forward and I’ve heard there is some video footage. I suggest they take it to the media. Screw local media. Put the video on YouTube and get your voice heard. Contact national media. Do it anonymously if just want to get it out.

Can any of you who are copying and pasting police procedure explain why they released a dog on him after he had been mortally injured/shot in the head? Adding insult to injury or trying to muddle up the oncident? Is that standard procedure or shouldn’t the dog have been released first?

105 Anon May 21, 2013 at 6:15 AM

They did send a dog didnt they? Straight unjustified shooting, police brutality, and abuse of power as a police officer. Just because thry carry a badge and gun, does not give them a license to kill.

106 Futurama May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM

the concord PD is sick, just act their therapist. It’s ridiculous the crimes they commit and what they get away with.

107 Julie martinez May 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Wow! So many people are quick to judge the life of Charles,the Burns family, and the police. It’s so sad that 90% of you don’t even know what your talking about and should be ashamed of the words spoken on here. Get a life and worry about your own….. Everyone is so quick to point fingers and wish death, blame others, and talk non-sense.may he rest in paradise. My condolences to the family. This world is so judgmental. Where is love and support when it is needed most.

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