Congressman Miller Comments on Obama’s Plan to Reduce Gun Violence

January 17, 2013 19:42 pm · 139 comments

Congressman George Miller sent out a letter to his supporters and the media today regarding President Obama’s plan to reduce gun violence.

The letter is shown below:

Dear Friend,

Every day, 50 children and teens are shot. Eight of those children die, five from murder. Since the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary last month, more than 900 Americans have been killed by guns.

Yesterday, President Obama put forward a comprehensive plan to reduce gun violence in the United States, including a mandate for universal background checks for every gun purchase, restrictions on high capacity ammunition magazines, a ban on dangerous, military-style assault weapons, stronger federal gun trafficking laws, and a stronger approach to mental health and education issues.

I support his proposal and took part in a hearing House Democrats held yesterday to discuss ways to strengthen sensible gun safety laws, fix glaring loopholes, and keep dangerous people away from powerful weapons.

As Congress now grapples with this important issue, I want to hear from you. What do you think will help prevent gun violence in America? Let me know by taking part in my gun violence prevention survey here .

The death, injury and heartache caused by gun violence are devastating. We need to act now. Unless we do, more than 120,000 people will be killed by guns over the next four years. Instead, I’d like to be able to say that together, we did something to save lives.

Sincerely,

GEORGE MILLER
Member of Congress

{ 139 comments }

1 George January 17, 2013 at 7:46 PM

He sent out a letter to his supporters and ……..

Guess that is why I did not get it.

2 Law Abiding Citizen January 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Better background checks wont stop criminals who steal guns who avoid background checks in the first place.

It will stop a mental person trying to buy a gun legally, it wont stop them buying or stealing a gun illegally.

All these laws dont mean anything to criminals why do these politicians think these laws will stop them? the Assault weapons ban didnt stop Columbine from happening…

3 barbara heuring January 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I dont totally agree. No matter what kind of ban he puts on it the criminals will ALWAYS find a way to get them in their hands. Someone will always find a way to slip through a loop hole. Alot of these “regulations” we have already but over the years they have become more leiniant and not paying attention just as it will become that way in a couple of years after everything has settled down. I dont see a sure fire way of keeping any gun or weapon out of anyones hends who really wants it. Then again this is MY opinion

4 ANNON January 17, 2013 at 7:52 PM

It is a waste of 500 million dollars. The criminals will always have guns and always have access to guns! It’s the people not the guns!!!!

5 "military-style" assault weapons January 17, 2013 at 7:52 PM

last I checked the police are a CIVILIAN law enforcement agency, why do they get military-style assault weapons?

6 vern stroud January 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM

It’s not the gun…it’s the troubled person..car’s kill more..are we to ban driving..this particular congress and president is a joke..we need to educate the people on sign’s of violent people.

7 Anonymous January 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Two thirds of these deaths involving firearms are suicide. The only way to prevent suicide is to confiscate all firearms.I appreciate Congressman Miller and his efforts to eliminate guns from our society

8 EM January 17, 2013 at 8:01 PM

The criminals will just go to Mexico and pick them up there. Oh wait, we sold all the drug cartels those guns.

9 ClayDen January 17, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I’m about as far from being a George Miller (aka Nancy Pelosi in drag) supporter as you can get, but I got his email today.

10 Meat Grinder January 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Cops are civilians but they are agents of the state. Tell George I hate him.

11 National Raccoon Assailants January 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Criminals will find the guns because all the law abiding, gun toting, fear mongering collectors replace their guns when they are stolen from them by the criminals!! Where do you think the criminals get these guns? An endless supply provided by the American public. The insipid argument that people kill people and not guns has become a joke. Who pulls the trigger on the guns? An angry mob of raccoons? This will be an endless battle because there are already millions of guns already in the hands of our decent populace. Are we any safer because these civilians have guns? NO…….

12 Pegasus January 17, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I have a great idea – LET’S PUNISH EVERYONE WHO DIDN’T DO IT !

13 Concord Nurse January 17, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Vern, As a matter of fact we make cars safer every year to prevent people from being killed. We have laws to prevent reckless driving. So why shouldn’t we have stronger laws to try to protect people from guns. Your argument doesn’t stand up when you have an argument that stands up it on here.

14 Proud Hunter January 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM

He should do his homework a little better and re-check the statistics on gun deaths. More people are killed by baseball bats per year because they are easier to get ahold of. These statistics are from the FBI. The government isn’t trying to ban baseball bats! Drunk drivers kill more people per year but we are not taking cars off the road! I could go on and on. Baseball bats and cars don’t seek people out to kill them. People are responsible for killing other people not these objects.

15 Anonymous January 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Right. We see what the left is up to . In New York they just banned handguns with more then seven rounds. In their enthusiasm to “do something” they forgot to exempt the police.NYPD and virtually every other dept in NY are all carrying illegal guns.

California is just as hostile. Hunters are going elsewhere and hunting license sales are down 30 % over last year. And our strict gun safety laws..how’s that working out Oakland?

George Miller is no friend of any gun owner.

16 BigHaus January 17, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Legal gun owners should not have to pay for the decisions the ill and the criminal minded make (murders). There should be more police and more searches in troubled nieborhoods.

17 Ghetto January 17, 2013 at 8:24 PM

That stat that they always neglect to tell you is that 80%+ of those people killed by guns every year are suicides not murders or violence towards others.

18 R January 17, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Sounds like he drank the Kool-aid.

19 Please Explain January 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM

1. Congressman Miller, why do so many people in “gun free” zones die?
2. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in our country, they do not issue concealed carry permits nor do the recognize conceal carry permits from outside Chicago. Yet in 2012 over 500 people died in Chicago from firearms.

20 bundles January 17, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Waste of money… and what happens when the police turn on the citizens and we have no weapons to defend ourselves. No more constitution … new world order….

21 mark January 17, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Dang George, you ought to forget about this and concentrate more on your Solar adventures.

22 Laura Zah January 17, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Most of this is already law in California. Some of it is good, most of it is worthless. Here is all of it if you really care enough to read it.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/01/obama-executive-actions-gun-list/61075

23 Anon January 17, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Legalizing open carry it would have a better chance of stopping crime. Don’t forget the kids that were killed lived in a state with strict gun laws. Do you still think they will help?

I feel safer at a Hells Angels party than I do at a grade school.

24 Dennis January 17, 2013 at 8:39 PM

@#5 hint: what you think are military type assault weapons aren’t.

25 Mongoose January 17, 2013 at 8:40 PM

As usual George has totally missed the point. 900 gun deaths since Sandy Hook, probably most of them were in Chicago.

26 The Phantom January 17, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Can someone tell George that 65,000 are white male suicides?

27 From Clayton January 17, 2013 at 8:44 PM

According to gunpolicy.org, 66% of the 30K deaths per year via guns are suicide. 33% are some type of homicide. Aren’t liberal Democrats champions for euthanasia? So the number should really be around 10k per year that use ti jinn up fear of guns, or hoplophobia.

28 Stupid January 17, 2013 at 8:46 PM

More people die from falling per year. Maybe the government will ban gravity. Hahaha

29 9 deuce daisy January 17, 2013 at 8:48 PM

So since the consensus is that criminals will still be able to buy them on the street, lets continue to do nothing?

I’m sick to death of this debate, and the NRA and other gun ownership groups creating bullsh*t chaos propaganda to pit people against each other on this. This is the first year they will not get mine and my husband’s renewal money in a long time. I’m not a criminal and support legal gun ownership. I have zero problem submitting an application and/or finger prints either. Whether or not a criminal can still buy them on the street is no excuse for good people to sit and do nothing.

30 Dennis January 17, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Dear Mr Miller: 95% of those murders are committed by gangs and ex-felons, and your efforts to keep them off the streets is an epic failure. The proposed restrictions on responsible lawful citizens will not reduce crime by gangs and ex-felons. They force us to be defenseless victims. Are you going to apologize to the families of the victims of ex-felons and gangs, and explain to them why you refuse to allow them to defend themselves from rape and murder? Why should we support you, when you refuse to support us?

31 old concord January 17, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Your all right=) We have a right to bare arms and thats one of the things that make this country great. We do have way more gun violance than years of old. I mean that to the people and to the police. Stop shooting. The real problem is we need to change our focus on why most gun violance happens. Most are need or greed. We have to find a way to get all people much more of an ownership, something they can own and call home. That’s the American dream. =)

32 Dennis January 17, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I see Oakland is suggesting a solution to their homicide problem: they propose spending millions more per year to create their own police acadamy, take experienced senior officers off active duty to serve as instructors, and in only a few years, replace them on the street will raw recruits who graduate their academy. I doubt any voters will agree to waste those tax dollars. Try adding experienced officers right now. Instead.

33 Amy January 17, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Gun control hasn’t helped in Chicago, Mr. Miller.

34 anon January 17, 2013 at 9:02 PM

What’s all talk about gum violence? Why is the govt. spending so much of our tax dollars talking about gum violence?

35 Turds January 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Hey Miller! You’re an America Hating AH!!!!!!

36 TinFoiler January 17, 2013 at 9:06 PM

All the unanswered anomalies regarding Sandy Hook, including the video that received over 10 million views: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

37 Sar Casm January 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Not sure what good new laws will do for people that don’t follow laws to begin with. My 2 cents – How about, if you use a gun to commit a crime…NO PLEA BARGAIN! Straight up! You cross that line, you’re doing time!

38 just the facts January 17, 2013 at 9:11 PM

california has the strictest gun laws in the us but did you also know that we have the highest gun violence out of any state more than double

39 Fred P. January 17, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Don’t try to discuss common sense with Miller. He’s incapable and unwilling to understand.

40 The Real McCoy January 17, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I don’t understand why we have laws… CRIMINALS are always going to break them anyway…. they’re CRIMINALS, DUH. Politicians need to wise up and REPEAL ALL LAWS so we can live in FREEDOM the way GOD and the FOUNDING FATHERS (same thing almost) intended! THIS IS AMERICA NOT COMMIE LAND!

41 TRUTH January 17, 2013 at 9:20 PM

agree w/ TinFoiler…. PEOPLE, DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE AND HEAR IN THE NEWS!!! Sandy Hook was a hoax. Did ANYBODY actually die? maybe… follow the link or use this URL

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhDdo1mzUx6Z04jdF0

for starters, all the online sites to “assist” sandy hook victims were set up DAYS BEFORE THE ACTUAL “MASSACRE” ….everybody can come to their conclusions but all the evidence is there….a scene straight out of hollywood w/ actors and all!

42 Anon January 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Miller is an idiot, why do people keep voting for him?

43 Cristina January 17, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Banning guns and stricter gun laws does nothing to prevent the criminals and mentally derranged from committing crimes. As a matter of fact it puts us law abiding citizens at risk of not be able to protect ourselves and our family. Tighten up our borders and revisit our illegal alien issues (yep, I said illegal). Also, if people are so mentally ill why do we continue to release them back into our general population with no garuntee that they are taking their medication and continuing any needed therapy? If criminals know there are no guns then it’s no contest for them; they will win.

44 Anon January 17, 2013 at 9:31 PM

@Dennis

Thanks for bringing that up. What about Miller, what are doing about the courts saying that conditions in jail are not very nice. WTF do I care? These losers are in jail because they deserve it. Why not keep them there and reduce crime but locking up criminals. And for those over crowding bleeding hearts either put them up in your home or bring back the death penalty. Maybe kill a few and some of these scumbags will stop killing and raping. These a little common sense for you Miller, you listening?

45 Dangerous January 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Assault weapons my foot, the liberals are playing with words again they do this every time to distract Americans. The bullet traveling down range has no name except projectile. Deer rifle, hunting rifle, target rifle, any rifle is not the point! The point is the founding fathers were ever concerned with American government doing what all governments do, get to big and begin controlling everything it can without restraint. The entire constitution was written to keep men free of government power, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE HANDGUNS, RIFLES, and SHOTGUNS not for hunting. Names have no damned place in the lexicon of self defense.

46 Dangerous January 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM

You want gun violance go look at Fast and furious and see who produced the weapons in that fiasco, as of now there have been over 300 murders attributed to the guns this administration provided to the Drug Cartels in Mexico. OVER 300 dead! Obama, Holder, and others from this bunch of criminals. The dolts don’t know and they don’t care, unfortunately the dolts vote, stupidly!

47 Blah blah blah January 17, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Criminals not following lawsis invalid, otherwise we wouldn’t have any laws. SMH

48 Dangerous January 17, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Put responsible fathers back into the home with spanking privilages and the violence would be cut in half in one generation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

49 Don P January 17, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Progressives – there isn’t a freedom out there that helped create this great country that they don’t want to take away.

50 Dangerous January 17, 2013 at 9:53 PM

MILLER IS A POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

51 Anonymous January 17, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Thank God we have a Congressman who will work to disarm this country.look at Europe or Mexico where private arms are in short supply.

52 @Dennis January 17, 2013 at 10:11 PM

You are partially correct veteran officers will instruct, new recruits eventually go to the street and after a few short years, leave to work elsewhere, better pay lower risk. Oakland will be out the money for training and won’t get so much as a thank you letter from the cities that eventually benefit from Oakland’s efforts. Of course, we must remember Oakland is operating at a, gross “Rank Choice” disadvantage.

53 anon January 17, 2013 at 10:17 PM

#29 – You are sick to death of this debate, so people should just agree with you?

The government doesn’t need to know that I own a gun, any more than it needs to know whether I own a toaster. Tell you what, I’ll make up for your quitting the NRA and send them some money this year. I don’t usually find them protective enough of rights, but this year they serve an important role.

54 @ "military-style" assault weapons January 17, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Oh I don’t know. Maybe because they are the ones who put their asses on the line so you can keep yours safe.

55 Elwood January 17, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Run, bleeding heart liberal loonies, run!

Hurry to jump on the bandwagon. It’s leaving soon and you wouldn’t want it to leave without you!

Guns are evil! The NRA is evil!

Only the pure of heart lunatic liberals are good!

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56 The New Rhodesian January 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Well that is swell. I guess all these law makers will just follow these new laws eh?

57 judaspriest January 17, 2013 at 10:37 PM

this guy miller is an idiot

58 The New Rhodesian January 17, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Meant to say lawbreakers.

59 I Support Obama and Miller January 17, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Elwood is an idiot!

60 Bob January 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Well, let’s vote idiot Miller out ASAP. Next, Americans, STAND YOUR GROUND BY YOUR CONSTITUTION.

Yes this is a ploy to get the good, patriotic americans defenseless. If you don’t stand up for our constitution, NOW, then our children won’t have it at all. Take action, do NOT give up your protection.

61 Anon January 17, 2013 at 11:38 PM

BUTTE, MONTANA

Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders…
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
two-story home.
It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father’s room and grabbed his
12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old’s knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0′Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news……..?

An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself……against two murderous, illegal immigrants…….and she wins,
She is still alive.

Now THAT is Gun Control!

Thought for the day….
Calling an illegal alien an
‘undocumented immigrant’
is like calling a drug dealer an
‘unlicensed pharmacist’

62 Anon January 17, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Elwood may be an idiot, but he makes two very accurate statements.

Guns are evil.

The NRA is evil.

The NRA is very cocky and presumptuous stating that no laws increasing gun policies will pass congress. Basically stating that they as a lobbyist group have decided that all new gun policies are dead in the water unless they OK them. Is that the decision making process that we want our congress to utilize? We don’t want elected officials to make informed decisions based on representing the individuals in their districts; instead we want them to check all policies with a lobbyist group. Is that how we believe that all national decision making should be done?

I have seen several people state that background checks will not stop criminals. They certainly won’t stop all criminals, but are there actually justifications that would indicate that not checking perspective gun owner’s backgrounds prior to allowing a gun sale to proceed is actually the safer public policy? That to me should be the test.

3 days ago I bought some over the counter medicine and was required to show my ID. Today I bought a box of ammunition and was not required to provide any ID. That’s just not right.

We do need sensible gun policies. It’s reasonable to require a background check for all gun sales, public and private. It’s reasonable to require ID to purchase ammunition. If the technology exists, it’s reasonable to require serial numbers on ammunition so that the original purchase of ammunition can be traced back to the person who made that purchase if there is a need to due to a criminal investigation. It is reasonable to require education and proficiency prior to allowing someone to own and keep firearms. We do that with vehicles, why should guns be exempt.

I own guns and I use them lawfully. I don’t fear reasonable gun laws. Our country needs good public policy, properly discussed and debated by pragmatic individuals who desire to maintain freedom and safety for all. Ideologues have never offered reasonable public gun policies and in these debates do their best to frame the argument as those who wish to take your guns vs. those who are fighting for your God given freedoms. That argument doesn’t typically work on thinkers.

The other thing I can state unequivocally is that no matter what I or anyone else says, there will be very few people who change their positions on gun policies.

Fortunately there is overwhelming support for reasonable gun laws. Hopefully our kids and our communities will prevail.

63 I support Obama and Miller as well January 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM

There are some really lame excuses here for not making any changes to our current laws, be they local, state or federal.

Guns, not cars, baseball bats, stairs, or whatever – are specifically designed to maim and kill. Assault weapons are specifically designed to kill a lot of people in the least amount of time. Why does any citizen need military type weapons? Don’t say it’s to defend yourself against the tyrannical government coming for you, because honey, your pathetic arsenal will be a joke should that ever happen.

Do the gun rights people realize that a huge percentage of guns that get into the hands of criminals come from legal sales to their family members, buddies, etc.? The statistics tell us that stolen guns is not a major source for criminals.

We can cut down on the number of the most lethal weapons that get into the hands of criminals and mentally ill people by not allowing ANY private citizen to buy them. Is this so hard to figure out? Decreasing the supply. Logical thinking, 101.

How is better enforcement of existing laws a detriment to anyone’s 2nd amendment rights? If these laws were unconstitutional, would they not have been struck down by the Supreme Court as such? If you have the right to buy assault weapons, why don’t you have the right to buy RPG’s?

Talk about kool-aid…the NRA is a supreme example of PR spin and a LOT of people are getting sick of it. It’s clear they put their power and greed before public safety. Their latest “Obama is an elitist” ad is nauseating. Using his right as a public figure to protect his girls is a cheap shot by a desperate group.

I personally applaud Obama for having the cojones to stand up as a leader and take action. His plan includes help for the mentally ill and research into gun violence. That’s a hell of a lot more sane than the NRA “solution.”

By the way, how can you respect the NRA when they criticize video games and then sponsor them at the same time. Talk about hypocrites!

64 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Anon #61,

Your story about the 11 year old girl shooting two intruders isn’t true. It never happened. That’s why it never appeared on CNN or MSNBC.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

65 ratstalker January 18, 2013 at 3:52 AM

Statisics that only take firearm deaths into place truly look bleak.
I agree that those numbers are way too high. That being said, many more children, (and adults,) die per capita from other causes.

Cause of Death Number of deaths Mortality rate
Natural Per 100,000 Per 100,000
______________________________________________
36,272 44.1
Perinatal Conditions 14,570 17.7
Congenital Anomalies 6,896 8.4
Neoplasms 2,302 2.8
Respiratory Disease 1,442 1.8
Circulatory Disease 1,666 2.0
Nervous System Disease 1,609 2.0
SIDS 2,453 3.0
Unintentional Injury 11,560 14.0
________________________________________
Motor Vehicle 6,683 8.1
Drowning 1,056 1.3
Fire/Burn 544 0.7
Poisoning 972 1.2
Suffocation/Strangulation 1,263 1.5
Firearm 138 0.2

Homicide 3,345 4.1
________________________________________
Firearm 2,186 2.7

Suicide 1,665 2.0
________________________________________
Firearm 683 0.8
Suffocation/Strangulation 739 0.9
Poisoning 133 0.2

Source: http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htm

Sadly, over 3,000 children with cancer die each year. Thats about every 2 hours, 50 minutes a child dies from cancer.

Source: http://www.amandarileyfoundation.org/childhoodcancerfacts.htm
Parsing through the NIH, and CDC websites will yield more results.

I have to ask: Where are the newsvans and press conferences for the babies who die from SIDS? Are their parents filled with less grief? Where are the politicians clamoring for an audience the day after a car crash that kills multiple children? Their parents and families must be getting along just fine. Right?

What I see out of politicians such as andrew cuomo, dianne feinstein, joe biden, and obama, are jaded cynical politicians who are using a bully pulpit made from death to simply further their own elitist agenda.

Some quotes from the Founding Fathers:

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.” (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms….The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants” (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good” (George Washington)

It seems to me, that the Second Amendment was put in place to ensure that a tyrannical government would not last.
This is why our current leadership fears the citizen with a firearm. He or she is just an obstacle blocking their agenda.

And just for the record, it would be wonderful to live in a society with absolutely no need for firearms, or weapons of any type. I was raised in a pacifist home. However, being a realist, and understanding human behavior. convinces me that this is merely an idealist thought game. Reality dictates that this will never be the case.

66 ratstalker January 18, 2013 at 3:54 AM

So sorry, my columns failed to show correctly. Feel free to do your own research upon the topic.

67 Don't Censor Me Bro January 18, 2013 at 4:51 AM

Can someone please articulate exactly why leftists moan about others telling them what they need in re: marriage, abortion etcetera, but have no difficulty in proclaiming what law abiding citizens need (or don’t need) when it comes to firearms?

68 Don't Censor Me Bro January 18, 2013 at 5:03 AM

#63… Who told you legally purchased, registered firearms exclusively utilized for target practice were designed to kill? Or did you come up with that all by yourself?

The US Constitution tells me that I can bear arms so why would I entertain what YOU “Think” I “Need?”

I can review your personal life and tell you what I think you need, if you are open to it. If so feel free to post.

Oh yea, when the government attempts to treat me — a law abiding citizen — as guilty first, rather than innocent (you know per the constitution), when it bypasses constitutional MANDATES, that is DETRIMENTAL to me.

Now go review the types of video games (you note) and the targets depicted therein before spewing your misinformation.

69 Don't Censor Me Bro January 18, 2013 at 5:06 AM

Anon, yet in some precincts, people do NOT need to show IDs in order to vote, how quaint!

70 Don't Censor Me Bro January 18, 2013 at 5:09 AM

Recall the armed woman hiding in her home when faced with the decision to fire 5 rounds at the perpetrator, including in his face? He did NOT die…yet she protected her family & castle. So how many bullets are really needed again?

71 Don't Censor Me Bro January 18, 2013 at 5:10 AM

Cont. from above — and just think if there had been 2 or 3 perpetrators!

Like that never happens, huh?

72 Mark January 18, 2013 at 5:53 AM

Why don’t we strengthen penalties for crimes committed with guns, not weaken three strikes, and execute faster with a short time limit for appeals so we don’t waste money keeping fools alive. Criminals have it too good in America. Let’s go third world on them and see how tough they really are.

73 Anon January 18, 2013 at 5:54 AM

@Anon #62

How are guns evil? Do they possess the power to operate on their own? Can they magically levitate and fire without something operating them like a human hand? You argument is foolish and just plain wrong.

How is the NRA evil?

@I support Obama and Miller as well #63

What help for the mentally ill? He can do nothing as the President of this country to impact Health Care. Only the legislators can do that, those who write the laws, and if you weren’t a liar you’d have to admit that.

So to your other wrong statements:

A giving a gun to someone else after purchasing it is a crime, read up on the law.

Have you ever heard of guns being stolen from the military, maybe you should get your head of out your ass and learn more before you try and make a point.

The Supreme Court, post 2000 election, has shown it is biased and no longer performs the function that it was created for. In short, idiot, no they won’t strike them down because that would be against their political parties interest.

How is it a cheap shot, got kids? I’d like mine protected by armed guards. Wouldn’t anyone?

The same way you can say it’s OK for Obama to use guns for his kids protection but mine and everyone else are worth that level of protection. Your the hypocrite here buddy.

The lamest excuse of all, why add more laws when they don’t enforce the ones they have.

74 Bucky January 18, 2013 at 6:03 AM

“Hey, did u hear about Obamas new gun control orders?” Asked no criminal ever.

75 Mike T January 18, 2013 at 6:18 AM

Liberal… Someone who is so opened minded, their brain has fallen out

76 jose January 18, 2013 at 6:27 AM

All this talk about the “evil assault weapon” drives me up the wall……what is one anyway? Nobody knows, but it can be whatever “they” say it is, be it a knife, baseball bat, shovel, hammer, axe, 2X4 etc, even an automobile…..it is whatever can be utilized as a weapon.
All these laws on the books that we have already that never seem to mean anything to the criminal/psyhco minds do nothing. More laws are needed?
I guess that is just to keep the honest citizens honest…..right?

77 noflow January 18, 2013 at 6:38 AM

The so called solutions put forward don’t work. People intent on killing will not be deterred with new regulations or laws. Only law abiding citizens will be affected. Law abiding citizens can not wait around for the cops to show up to protect them.
Fast and Furious did not generate the desired public outrage so the left wing fascist pig democRATS are picking clean the corpses of those poor unfortunate children. (They should change their icon from a donkey to a vulture.)
IF the fascist pigs were so concerned about dead children; they would be doing something about the gang violence in Obama’s Chicago….

78 dinkydau January 18, 2013 at 6:39 AM

I disagree with the last person that posted. The thugs, crimianals and gangbangers dont care about any ban or rules at all. How come there isnt a big outcry about all the killings in Oakland, aka: The Wild Wild West.
The Oakland Inner City Youth sees this everyday and going to and from school. This week another 17yr old was shot and killed in front of a local gym. The shooter are going to get their guns and ammo anyway they can.
Little was said about advocating money for more mental health treatment centers and programs.
I dont go down on Market in San Francisco anymore due to all the crazies there. Not so much the homeless but its the crzies talking to themselfves and the aggressive panhandlers.
Obams wants to helpe the mentally ill. Yea, right. I wont believe it until I see it. Watch and see…….the guns will be banned and thats all that will haoppen.
All lip service…the politicians want to get on the band wagon and still be re-elected. Nope, not this time! I do remember!

79 anonymous retort January 18, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Anonymous #61:

You really need to check on things before you believe everything you read on the internet.

I have a friend that is a police officer in Butte Montana and we were just talking the other day, that whole story about the 11 yr. old is a hoax. You can google it if you’d like.

He confirmed, there is no police report anywhere of this ever happening, because it never did.

What is happening is due to gun owners freaking out and the propaganda machine from the NRA running full force they are trying to make up stories that people won’t take the time to look into to see if they are real and not fake and using those as excuses as to why we should be afraid to lose guns.

Even though we aren’t losing our gun rights at all.

All the gun laws that are in place right now, were approved by the NRA years ago and they are the one’s including men like Sheriff Joe in Arizona who have come out and said, “we need to enforce the laws we already have in place” That is what Obama is doing, getting the funding to enforce the laws already in place, which is what the NRA has asked us to do.

So there really shouldn’t be any bitching about that aspect.

Oh and one more nugget of truth and fact. It was Reagan who initially instituted the ban on military style assault weapons and magazine clips that held over a certain amount of rounds. Clinton let the ban lapse while he was in office and Obama is doing nothing more than trying to reinstitute the old Reagan ban.

On a personal note, if you all want to play with assault weapons, why don’t you all join the military and put on a uniform and serve this country and then you can have your assault weapon and play with it all you want. If you aren’t a trained, responsible gun owner I wouldn’t want you owning any guns.

I don’t say that guns kill people…it’s stupid people with guns that kill people. Someone has to pull the trigger, the gun doesn’t go off by itself.

Maybe if we could make people pass an IQ test first then that would be a great way to go about gun control.

Have a nice day.

80 Oh, bummer January 18, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Hey George,
How many of those 5 kids a day that you mentioned would have been saved by background checks, smaller magazines, or any of your President’s other new laws? My guess is, not many. Apparently, it’s easy to fool your liberal supporters into thinking you’re “doing something about gun violence”, but some of us are smart enough to know the real problem is that you keep letting violent felons out of prison.

81 Dangerous January 18, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Great story Anon , Butte , Montana!

82 kingsvtsis January 18, 2013 at 8:00 AM

@9 Deuce Daisy – I’m with you 100%. Very well said.

83 Anonymous January 18, 2013 at 8:02 AM

I support Obama and Miller too. Time to get rid of guns.They have done it in Europe and so can we.we just need to be as progressive as the Europeans.

84 Anon January 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM

New restrictions on video games and your Hollywood friends. Take the violence out of entertainment, it will then not be a common occurrence for kids/teens. It is now so common, it’s not normal to see it or live it.

85 DoReMi January 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM

California already has some of the most draconian laws in the nation. Yet. We also have a huge gang/mobster gun problem. The laws on our books do not deter this violence. In fact, if you disarm the public, the gang/mobster will know they have the green light to rob and murder at will.

Call 911 and wait for 20 minutes. You may be alive, your kids may still be safe.

86 DoReMi January 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM

And furthermore, the new “heathcare’ laws will allow your Dr. to ask invasive questions such as: Do you have alcohol, tobbacco or pot in your home…along with do you have guns in you home.

If this Dr. is not amiable to your comfort, you could be marked as a danger to society. It’s here folks. It’s NOW.

87 George Moron January 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Hey Curious George,

You’re lucky that Republicans are so dumb.

All of these rules being applied to the 2nd amendment, can be applied to the 1st amendment as well.

For example, background checks on “jounalists” and anyone who wants exersice their freedom of expression. Not to mention a database of “journalists” with their home addresses and their finger prints.
Oh, and a “waiting period” for your “free speech”. And, if a “healthcare provider” has suspicions about your behavior, report that “journalist” to the government.

Get it, George?

BTW: “assault rifle” is PROPAGANDA!!! It sounds “scary”.
And “Semi-automatic” means you can pull the trigger once per round.
But again, it’s scary!!!

So, take away the “assault rifies” and “semi-automatic” weapons from Government.

Oh, and since “Law men” carry guns, we should be able to look their addresses up on the web. And that goes for Leftist Obama sucking “journalists”.

88 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Hey, George, can we strengthen laws on term limits? How about making it an easier process to impeach a crooked politician?

Let’s focus on the real issues at hand.

I’m not a criminal, why does Obummer treat me like one? Why does he treat POLICE like criminals by limiting their ability to defend themselves? All while he signs another executive order to have Secret Service protection the rest of his life.

The point is, outlaw the criminal activity, do not outlaw those who have done nothing wrong. I will keep hammering into you people – I am innocent until proven guilty, and my firearm alone does not make me guilty.

Miller, Feinstein, Pelosi, Obama, DeSaulnier – all pieces of ****. Anyone who would restrict my rights for no reason and without due process is an ENEMY OF MY COUNTRY.

89 debdvo January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Seems selfish that those that think the assault type guns are fun and cool and a great hobby, don’t want to give that up- even if it could keep many unstable teens that have not even developed their empathy yet, from getting their hands on them. Not talking about thug violence, talking about the mindset of taking out as many people as possible in one shooting.

90 mike mac January 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Deal with real issues, like the economy and spending, George.

91 Achtnon January 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

George and our other congress persons are all about restricting law abiding citizens. It’s the CRMINALS stupid.

If we implemented half the laws already on our books this would not be a problem. But NOOOOOoooooooooooooooo. They must make more laws. Did you know it takes tens of thousands of dollars for the up keep of a single law? Yet they continue to write more laws. Laws they do not abide by.

California has a gang problem. Illegals cross the border because our docile citizenry is to easy to strip. Oh, and the catch and release program is a sham too.

Taking away our guns will increase crime. The gangs are just waiting for the easy pickin’s. Will your child be safe from these mobsters?

92 Achtnon January 18, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Debvo: If your teen is unstable you need to control him. Not dissarm law abiding citizens. Face the fact honey, it is YOUR responsibility to watch your kid, not regulate others.

93 Sunstar January 18, 2013 at 8:45 AM

An assault weapon is defined as a weapon that is fully automatic. The general public are not allowed to buy assault weapons anyway. This is so silly.

94 @ Proud Hunter WRONG January 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Your more people are killed by baseball bats is as accurate as the Unicorn population has doubled last year. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp
At least thats what the FBI says. I know its another goverment manipulating statistics conspiracy by the scary Muslim socialist

95 Laura Zah January 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Speaking of background checks we ought to require them for anybody running for public office. Considering his past drug use & close relationships with radicals and a terrorist,Obama wouldn’t be able to pass a background check to be a secret service agent, like the ones who guard HIM!

96 Alviso January 18, 2013 at 9:12 AM

It must be George Bush’s fault.

Miller is a communist

97 Claycordian January 18, 2013 at 9:13 AM

It obviously has not occurred to Mr. Miller that people die from other causes. We lose far more adults and CHILDREN due to automobile accidents than we do to firearms. Cars are becoming less safe. Because of government imposed mileage regulations, cars are becoming lighter, with more plastic, and less metal. The government has created these death traps, and yet is more concerned with gun deaths than auto deaths.

Why isn’t our government doing more to wipe out cancer? Far more people die from cancer each year than from guns. If the government put as much energy into solving these causes of death as they are doing to infringe upon our Second Amendment rights, more lives would be saved.

98 George Moron January 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Dear STUPID Republicans (sorry to repeat myself):

Pass an “Obama Does NOT care” bill that REQUIRES every adult citizen to own at least ONE firearm.

If the Gov’t can FORCE “Healthcare”, then the Gov’t can FORCE “FirearmCare”.

99 anonymous retort January 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I love how video game and movies are being blamed for the violence in our society.

So how do you explain the Spanish Inquisition, a violent Bible?

If violent outside influences are responsible for folds’ violent behavior then how do we account for historical violent acts when those same influences were not present?

I’m not against people owning guns, I’m just against the stupid things gun enthusiasts say, like guns don’t kill people, people kill people, that’s no entirely correct, bullets kill people.

Some people say I need to protect myself against a tyrannical government, but that’s kind of bogus too because well, they have bombs, and planes and tanks and nukes and all sorts of things that we don’t.

How am I going to be able to protect myself against a government that has satellites that can sense my body heat and launch a robot plane and bomb me to kingdom come?

There’s only so many guns I can shoot at once. I only have two hands.

100 Lady Liberty January 18, 2013 at 9:35 AM

BTW Mr. Miller, when you and your friends are done shredding The Constitution please don’t set the remains on fire. Just toss it all into the recycle bin. Spare the air!

101 Captain Bebops January 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Reading the headlines it looks like talk of a gun ban has resulted instead in increased gun sales. Or was that the intention? Good times for sure for those who own gun shops.

102 The Mamba January 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

What’s the point in trying to jam another law down the people’s throats that won’t pass? I’m all for more spending on mental health though, because there are crazy people running around in the streets of every city in California.

103 Mary January 18, 2013 at 9:59 AM

@ George
I did not get a letter neither. Hmm I guess he sends it to his brain dead supporters.

@ I support Obama and Miller as well
“Assault weapons are specifically designed to kill a lot of people in the least amount of time”
Are you sure? Have you asked the victims of Happyland? Oaklahoma Bombing? 911? Tate-LaBiance?
====================
I do not support gun regristration due to the fact the government can use the database against its citizens. It is our constitutional right to have arms. In order to keep the goverment in check should it come against us – a tyranniI cal government. I suppose many Liberals live in lalaland they think that can never happen here. YOUR WRONG!!! Aren’t you liberals the same crying out police brutality? Is this the same government that committed genocide against Native Americans? Is this the same government that experimented on American of African ancestry for human research without their knowledge? Is this the same government that rounded up Japanese, Italian, and Germans and placed them in internment camps by using the Census Record? YET !!! you moron liberals want us to give up our guns. HELL NOOO!!! Also if young kids are getting their hands on gun maybe it shows poor parenting. As a child how it was drummed into my head that MURDER was a SIN. Growing up watching police shows and movies, showed me that guns were not to play with and it can kill but it also showed me that Guns can save your life.

As for George Miller all these years the image of a Walrus comes to mind when I see him, not sure why lol. George – can you say FAST & FURIOUS ?

104 Howard K. Mullins III January 18, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Mr. Miller has outlived his usefulness as a representative of the citizens of this congressional district in CA.

In my opinion.

105 Bug-Etta January 18, 2013 at 10:29 AM

George, some food for thought:

“I actually believe the president doesn’t have the guts to admit he doesn’t believe in the Second Amendment.” –Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)

“We can no longer depend on the Federal Government and this Administration to uphold a Constitution that they no longer believe in.”
Texas State Rep. Steve Toth

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. … Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants.” –Cesare Beccaria

Who’s ready for a rational discussion?

106 Anonymous January 18, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Miller is trying to distract people from his son fleecing the Mt Diabo school dist with the sweet heart solar panel deal. Two generations that have never had a real job

107 Rob January 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

No right is absolute – including the 1st Amendment and the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment does state guns or firearms – it states “arms” and “arms” contain a LOT more than just guns and yet we are prohibited from most other “arms” which the 2nd Amendment zealots don’t seem to care about at all…

108 @debdvo #89 January 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM

debdvo January 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM said:
“Seems selfish that those that think the assault type guns are fun and cool and a great hobby, don’t want to give that up- even if it could keep many unstable teens that have not even developed their empathy yet, from getting their hands on them. Not talking about thug violence, talking about the mindset of taking out as many people as possible in one shooting.”

Do you drive? Don’t you think that it’s selfish of you to own a car that can be stolen by an unstable teenager and used to kill people. Shouldn’t you give it up to help keep people safe? After all, you don’t NEED to drive. You can take a bus or taxi, right? Replace car with baseball bat, knitting needles, or any other object in your home with the POTENTIAL to cause injury or death if it falls into the wrong hands, and you get my point.

109 Achmed The Terrorist January 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM

For those of you who say that common citizens could never stave off a government with superior training and weaponry, think back to Iraq, Vietnam, and even the Revolutionary War. Then think about the number of guns in the hands of the American people. Yes, we are a real threat to a tyrannical government and they’re more than a little bit scared of us.

110 Mike Bellew January 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

For all those who have gotten upset by some of the NRA statements about putting armed guards/police in schools, you should read #18 of the Executive Action:
“Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.”
Resource Officers are Police Officers in schools.

111 @Rob #107 January 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Yes, you’re right. I’m sure our founding fathers meant arms, as in the appendages that are connected at our shoulders. You should be on the Supreme Court.

112 skippy January 18, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Way to be proactive. Glad he’s my rep. Hey all you supposed Constitution lovers who post here, quick-without looking it up, how many amendments are in the Constitution? What is the 16th? The 23rd? What year was it ratified? I thought so. Hope your guns keep you warm at night.

113 not skippy January 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Skippy is kind of dippy.

114 Concordian January 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

I think this is a good start he’s not asking to ban all guns just these military style assult weapons and I am all for it I stand behind the president hole heartedly. With these guns we have had some terrible senceless loses and if we never had these or had a ban on them then there would be no more sandy hook my heart goes out to all the families and the community who lost such valueable people.

115 Digger (Not in Concord anymore) January 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Have any of you liberals actually ever looked up what makes an “assault” rifle?

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds

Really doesn’t sound like these are anymore dangerous than most guns, just so you all know, Hitler is the one that came up with the term assault rifle, the more know *

116 Digger (Not in Concord anymore) January 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

IN CA:

Senate Bill 23 Assault Weapon Characteristics

Effective January 1, 2000, Senate Bill 23, Statutes of 1999, establishes new criteria for defining assault weapons based on generic characteristics. This bill allows and requires persons who own/possess firearms that fall under the new “assault weapon” definition to register those firearms with the Department of Justice during the one-year period between January 1, 2000 and December 31, 2000. Effective January 1, 2000, this bill adds Penal Code Section 12276.1 to the Penal Code as follows.

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, “assault weapon” shall also mean any of the following:
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
A thumbhole stock.
A folding or telescoping stock.
A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
A flash suppressor.
A forward pistol grip.
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
A folding or telescoping stock.
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
“Assault weapon” does not include any antique firearm.
The following definitions shall apply under this section:
“Magazine” shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
“Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds” shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
“Antique firearm” means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.
This section shall become operative January 1, 2000.

117 Anon2you January 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

In a letter I received from GUNS:

Dear Owner,
Do you realized that every day the State and Federal Government spend Millions of dollars frivolously and have done so everyday for nearly 200 years. They spend countless hours creating laws that do little or nothing to protect the American citizen, but rather inflate their own ego, They have over the years sent millions of Americans of all ages, some younger that 15 years old, to their death fighting wars that many times the average American did not support nor endorse. Us GUNS have decided that the Government is the most dangerous thing to the American People, and ask that you join us in eliminating them. Save an American Life today, join with a GUN and eliminate your Congressman, before they eliminate YOU!
Sincerely,
Your Gun Kept Safe In Your House!

118 The Mamba January 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Congress is like the Senate’s special little brother.

119 Elwood January 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Sarcasm is lost on the tiny-brained folk.

120 Elwood January 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM

It’s nice to see that George is almost universally loved.

Especially by his minority entitlement constituents in Vallejo.

121 Signs that you might be a gun nut January 18, 2013 at 2:57 PM

* You take the easy way out and accuse the other side of lying, instead of offering solid facts to rebut an argument.

* You say someone has their head up their a** if they don’t agree with you, regardless of facts.

* You go crazy using caps for your rant about how your rights are in jeopardy and it’s just a matter of time until the gubmit goes the way of the Nazi party.

* If someone doesn’t agree with you, they’re not a true patriot.

* You resort to twisting names around, e.g. Obummer, Nobama, King Hussein – to show you’re part of the insider elite that knows *wink*wink* what’s “really” going on with this country.

* You can quote specs up the ying yang about all kinds of weaponry. Numbers galore and highly technical information. But you lack common sense about how the real world works and have a scary sense of self-importance.

Fortunately, it looks like the public tide is shifting toward more common sense.

122 Screwy Louie January 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Mary @103
Thanks, I Did “not niether” read the rest of your post with a opening like that. Keep perpetuating the stereotype.

Austrailia was able to ban assault weapons. Guess they were able to sift through all the NRA/Republican/Tea bagger type scare tactics and think more Big Picture.

123 Laughs@Tools January 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Louie who is Screwy @ 122,

So you tell us that “Australia was able to ban assault weapons.”

Correct you are – and what did that get them? More murders, their homicide rate UP more than 10% over the next 5 years.

How did the “gun loving” US do during that same period? Homicide rate DOWN 25%.

To continue, “Guess they were able to sift through all the NRA/Republican/ Tea bagger type scare tactics and think more Big Picture.”

Now that we know the carnage that resulted from their assault weapons ban, we have to ask how many hundreds or thousands of Australians would be alive today if only they had listened to the “NRA/Republican/Tea bagger type scare tactics”?

More importantly, how many Americans will die if an Australian style assault weapons ban is enacted? Are you ready to take responsibility for those deaths?

I didn’t think so.

Maybe the NRA et al use “scare tactics” because the outcome of a dis-armed citizenry is, in fact, scary?

124 good grief January 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I don’t even know what to say anymore. If YOU don’t believe in guns – don’t get one. Just leave mine alone.

I’d like to educate #63, #82, #83, #94 and maybe some others but apparently you don’t, and will never get it. The 2nd Amendment is for YOUR protection from tyrannical government. If you think 80 million people with weapons couldn’t defend this country then you are dumber than anyone here ever gave you credit for.

I trust my judgement and not the government no matter WHO is in office. Be it D or R

Many of the people in this country really are getting dumber…

125 Bubba January 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

I bet Georgie carries on as does Fienstien, and Polosi.

126 Bubba January 18, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I meant “carries one”.

127 skippy January 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

@124- if you think the average person with a gun can stand up to the US military and all the weaponry its bloated budgets (which you probably support) have provided, you’re dreaming. And you call us dumb.

128 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Skippy – if you think the average person will get shot by their sons, brothers, and fellow countrymen, YOU are the one dreaming.

The military follows an oath to the Constitution. They will not obey illegal orders.

129 jim @ fresh and easy January 18, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Funny how people think our government wont go tyrannical….Just look at history. Governments are infamous for doing that. Especially considering its pretty well known that corporations and banks are running the gov. now a days. So is really that far fetched??? Look at it this way, many peoples grandparents in Europe didn’t believe it could happen to them…alot of them are ashes now. So this idea that we dont need guns is a joke…

Also the gun restrictions and all that will be done in increments until eventually the all out ban. The founders how pretty good idea for what was to come….”“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”

130 Not Skippy January 18, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Wow, Skippy is even more dippy than I thought.

131 Atticus Thraxx January 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Seems to me we’ve established gun violence is a public health threat. And a damn serious one. So the argument is what to do about it. I will ponder and get back to ya’ll with a solution as soon as I reasonably can. Might take a few days so be patient fellow citizens.

132 The scary gubmit is coming! January 18, 2013 at 7:00 PM

The problem with the issue of government tyranny? I think most educated, thinking people agree that yes, it has happened many times before in history. It can happen again. Where the gun nuts (the extremists, not the sane, responsible gun owners) run off the track is how they’re handling that cotingency.

The idea of individuals barricading themselves inside their homes with ther personal arsenals is more of a movie script idea than reality. If the U.S. government wants to take over, your little stash will be a joke. Between tanks, RPG’s, biological/chemical weapons, drones, etc…..are you getting a picture – how long do you think you’ll hold out?

Even roaming bands of independent armed militias are a joke. You guys are back in the day of the Founding Fathers.

I find the whole thing theatrical.

133 Vladimir Lenin January 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM

George Miller and Obama are my Comrades, we think alike.

134 Jeff January 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

poster 132

What’s hysterical is the argument you make – that our own soldiers are going to kill their own simply because Obutthead wants them to.

Not going to happen. The military follows the Constitution as well, and if the President gave orders like that they would not be followed in most instances..

Besides, we have a hell of a lot more “militia” than we do soldiers in this country. 900,000 hunters in Wisconsin alone? You seem to forget just what has kept this country free all this time. Perhaps a brush up on history would clarify it for you.

The Founding Fathers had it right. It’s not the “gun nuts” – (interesting however that you choose to insult to get a point across, shows your argument is weak) – it’s the patriots of this country who will not allow confiscation nor registration, as they both violate our rights. Read up a little more and then let’s have an educated discussion.

135 @Jeff 134 January 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

I don’t know what you smoke or what kool-aide you drink but you premise is false. If so soldiers would have stood up in WWII, Korean War, and the most controversial war the Vietnam War. Soldiers follow orders, and last I checked the Commander in Chief is the Pres. If there is a renegade group of soldiers who believe they are fighting for the constitution and the other 99.9% don’t, they will be dealt with swiftly and efficiently.

136 dinkydau January 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Another gangland shooting in Oaktown by the Bayfair Bart station. Take away all handguns!!!!!!!

137 Howard K. Mullins III January 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

@dinkydau

Were any of the guns involved in that shooting owned legally by anyone? Were the guns purchased in a legal gun store with all of the appropriate laws observed?

I don’t know, perhaps you can tell me. How many law abiding responsible citizens took part in the shooting today and how many criminals took part in the shoot today?

I look forward to your response.

138 Fred P. January 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM

@dinkydau is a troll. Let’s extend this to the next problem….

Someone was killed over drugs – let’s ban all drugs!
Someone was killed due to alcohol – let’s ban alcohol!
Someone driving a car ran into others and killed them – let’s ban cars.

See what I mean?

139 Greta Garbo January 24, 2013 at 4:00 AM

Time to get you also out of office. If you are falling for Obama’s B.S. . Wake up and see what is really going on. Taking our rights, screen those in need of screening fine. Those that do not pass, and seem to be a person with signs of mechanical defect, help them, if they can’t be helped, get em off the street. They will find another way to hurt and kill.. We need to get rid of this problem and you are definately not part of the solution.

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