The Water Cooler – Is President Obama an “Elitist Hypocrite”? The NRA Says “Yes”

January 16, 2013 12:00 pm · 169 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

What’s your opinion on the National Rifle Association ad shown above?

Talk about it….

101 Howard K Mullins III January 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

@ anon # 97

Looking at history, control leads to confiscation. Governments legislating behavior leads to fascism. Spreading the wealth around means no one wins.

That’s ok, stay in your rut lemming. You’ll never know when you charge off the cliff.

102 J. January 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Fire sale: Lifetime Membership in NRA only $300; down from $1,000

103 Anon2 January 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Because once you give the government an inch they take a mile. First it is taking 40 round clips then it’s your pea shooter.

104 futbllwmn January 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Did you know that a few weeks ago Obama signed a bill that will give him (and all future presidents) life time Secret Service protection paid for by the taxpayers, of course. Up until he signed the bill former presidents had 10 years of protection after leaving office.

105 Concordian January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I would rather not have an armed guard at my kids school at any level the first person shot is that armed guard that isn’t gonna stop a thing. I don’t think he thinks his kids are more important then our every president has had armed guards for there kids at school. People are acting as if he said ban all guns this is not what he is saying I see no use for these assult type riffles if we didn’t have then then there would have been no shooting at columbine or arora and sandy hook. All these types of guns to is tear stuff apart I don’t hunt but from what I understand the point of hunting is not just for the sport of it it’s to eat the kill and if it’s just ripped to bits what’s the point. I think he has the right idea to bad it will never pass I hope atleast part of it will pass.

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107 Mari January 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

So if his kids are kidnapped, our national security is compromised. A president is a father first. If he were to have to choose between his children or the security of our country, what do you think he would choose? If my child is kidnapped, heaven forbid, I don’t have any secrets or money that anyone would want. That’s the difference.

108 Claycordian January 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

If you research the Sidwell Friends School, you will find that they have armed guards IN ADDITION to the secret service protection for the Obama children.

This is where the elitist hypocrite label comes from.

109 shuley January 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Restrictions on guns are no more a breach of the second amendment any more than libel is a breach of the first. Nobody is taking all of the guns away.They are just proposing common sense restrictions that the majority of Americans favor.

Its not just about personal protection. Its also about working to keep dangerous guns away from criminals.

110 anonanonagain January 16, 2013 at 8:27 PM

@ Jeff, “The statistics he is using are one sided and don’t show the entire picture, and created by a group with an agenda.This is nothing but a gun grab disguised as a “saver of children”. That’s why he is using them as propoganda.”

You don’t think that the NRA have a biased agenda?? Gun grab?? You mean the type of guns that are used in brutal war in the hands of everyday citizens? WE have certainly got carried away with our right to bear arms. The thought that in 1776 the type of gun used to protect people from an intruder or a government of a country that might try and take the country back, was a simple rifle with a musket. Now we are armed to the teeth. We are ill and don’t even see it………

111 @Anon2 January 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM

“Because once you give the government an inch they take a mile. First it is taking 40 round clips then it’s your pea shooter.”

Bull$&*#!!! Who needs 40 round clips??? Paranoid like all the other nutters??? You sound like Ted Kaczynski. Must be writing from your shack in the woods……

112 Amazed January 16, 2013 at 8:40 PM

@52 I Support Obama

Thank you for your thoughtful, well-reasoned comment, a refreshing break from the racist, inaccurate, and paranoid ad hominem attacks on our president.

113 Em Dubya January 16, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Although I disagree with the idea that pushback on specific regulation is the same as pushback on any regulation, my respect and thanks to those who have articulated a reasoned position different than mine. Time will tell on how today’s developments play out.

In a time where administrative regatory authority is more involved than ever in the lives of the law abiding, it is at least fair to ask that new rules don’t unduly burden the law abiding while doing little to make being an outlaw more difficult. It seems like often we make it easier to become an outlaw rather than make it harder to persist as someone who chooses life outside the law.

114 SanDee January 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM

If something is killing our children, why would we make more?
More guns are not the answer, more responsibility is.

115 TinFoiler January 16, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Doesn’t matter. Organic Act of 1871 screwed ALL of us.

116 @SanDee January 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

You are a drone. “Something” didn’t kill anyone! “SOMEONE” DID ! There’s a huge difference.

117 Gunja Din January 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

I’m a member of the NRA and I oppose Obama’a agenda. I also oppose the use of “presidential findings” and “executive orders” by any president to circumvent the constitutional process of law-making.

The problem isn’t guns. It’s our sick society. We let the mentally have a choice of whether or not to take their meds, they end up homeless or hurt people, and then there’s an outcry.

You hear all about tolerance, but usually in connection with a small segment of our population. Why not make it clear…it isn’t right or acceptable to hurt anyone, period. For some reason modern media (games, movies, music, etc…) makes crime look cool.

118 @Claycordian 108 January 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Claycordian, I researched Sidwell Friends School and I haven’t found any evidence that they have armed guards in addition to Secret Service agents. All I’ve found is a rightwing blog making that claim, then other rightwing blogs repeating it. I haven’t found any reputable news organization reporting it. The school’s website doesn’t mention armed guards. As far as I can tell, the school has a security department, and one of the blogs linked to a job opening for a security officer with the requirement that he meet the DC police department’s requirements for a “special police officer”. My research did show that it is a Quaker school and Quakers believe in nonviolence. That makes me a bit skeptical of claims about armed guards.

119 Legal Gun Holder January 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

I’ll keep my gun–ccw next.

120 True or not ? January 17, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Until armed help arrives, gun free zones are target rich.

121 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Here’s a novel idea: Let us make heroin & methamphetamine illegal so that the use of them stops!

Oh, wait…

122 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:27 AM

With hand raised high, during a discussion of crime, in Kotter;’s class”Horshack” said to “Vinnie Barbarino:” Oh, I know, I know, if the government controls prescription drugs by using pharmacies the robbery of pharmacies will stop, right?

123 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:32 AM

@LBR #7, “We” – the USA – is a Constitutional Republic!

124 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:35 AM

According to ObLAMEr, if Osama ben Laden is controlled [killed] then al Qaeda will be stopped…

125 Long Time Reader January 17, 2013 at 5:33 AM

The whole point of removing arms from people is so the gov can declare martial law and totally control the people. Control is the first step to taking guns from the people. Then it will be illegal to own one. Then watch what happens. Just like Russia was like.

126 lexicon January 17, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Gun Free Zones are obviously ineffective, and may encourage people who want to commit mass murder to target our kids. We should allow teachers and school staff to protect our kids. Concealed Carry works. See “More Guns, Less Crime” by John Lott.

127 judaspriest January 17, 2013 at 7:06 AM

were F’ ED with this bozo running the show and it gets worse with each passing day I can only imagine what king kenyan has in store for us minions next sit back relax and enjoy the show as one man not fit for the job destroys what was built …..

128 me January 17, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Hell no.
Only morons and teabaggers think(?) so.

129 Vindex January 17, 2013 at 7:20 AM

@the real McCoy
You are a bully. Aryan brotherhood? I’m a minority. I go to minority conferences. Your ignorance and hate are a tactic that has worked for far too long. Disagree with you and you attack. You are not welcome in a civil dialogue on a matter like this. Try again. How is this charge by the NRA a racist charge? Try it without name calling

130 Parsnip January 17, 2013 at 7:33 AM

@Amazed #112 — “a refreshing break from the racist, inaccurate, and paranoid ad hominem attacks on our president.”

Oh please … I voted for the fool in 2008. Justify your general blah-blah by emphasizing how that makes ME “racist, inaccurate” or making “paranoid ad hominem attacks.” The little addendum that he forgot to include in the 2008 speeches was that they *would not take effect unless re-elected in 2012*

Better yet, explain how his hyperbole from 1/16, in which he continually used the word “proposal,” becomes law. Are you suggesting that he can enter the back door to Congress and supersede what THEY make law by way of his “proposals?”

131 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM

The difference? (for the poster who called me out)

The NRA can back up their stats. They aren’t pulling them out of thin air like the gun grabbers. The gun grabbers stats are based on emotion, and the NRA’s are based on fact.

Bottom line, we have a treasonous administration who is using their power to violate our rights. That’s a fact. They are making criminals out of the law-abiding simply because they don’t like firearms. Innocent until proven guilty has been thrown aside based on “fear” of an inantimate object that can’t do ANYTHING by itself.

132 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Even more importantly, since we all can’t seem to agree, we should have the ability to choose for ourselves, NOT have government choose for us. It’s the beginning of the erosion of ALL our rights.

Where will you lefties be when that happens? Hiding in the closet waiting for your government check?

133 DoReMi January 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Of course Obama is elitist. You would never catch him pledging his allegance to the American flag like the rest of us regular folk. You can also bet he never sang patriot songs with a group when growing up. In fact, he boasts of his specialness. He belongs in several special groups. Black, muslim, Harvard grad, single mom, pothead, college radical. He married a woman that outright said she was ashamed of being American. Now that is very special.

Elitist? Oh yes. You won’t find him in the trenches with the regular folks, but the same goes for most politicians and other people of ‘position’. You cannot erase human nature. Elitism is part of the Ego. Privilege accentuates the self serving in all of us.

134 Ricardoh January 17, 2013 at 8:59 AM

The real problem is mentally ill people. As usual Obama is going after the wrong people. With millions of guns in the United States when some nut job wants to kill, gun control will not stop him or her. All of these mass killers were suffering mental illnesses that people knew about but nothing was done about it. Obama using children as a backdrop was revolting. Put sick people in mental institutions before they have to be put in prisons.

135 itsme January 17, 2013 at 9:04 AM

So is he an “elitest” or a “socialist”? Can’t have it both ways people!

136 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Being an elitist is an ego issue. Being a socialist is his political view.

And Obama thinks he can have it his way. Perhaps he’d be better off running Burger King, at least he could wear one of the hats…

137 Slugga January 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM

The arms industry has raked in the profits since Obama was elected. That is arguably the healthiest sector of our economy right now. The vast majority of NRA members are good people who keep the country safer. The real reason for its existence, however, is to be a lobbying group for the arms industry. Their goal is profit, not defending people’s lives or the Second Amendment. They can say whatever they want about the President, but keep his kids out of it. Just disgusting. It took them a week to figure out the solution- sell more guns!

138 What a fool January 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

NRA head: Controversial ad ‘wasn’t about the president’s daughters’

Will the GOP back this organization to certain defeat in 2014?

139 DoReMi January 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Slugga: Speaking of keeping his kids out of it???? aHEM!

That speaks volumns about the Obama tactics to dissarm the law abiding public. He is milking that one just like Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Kim Il-sung, Hugo Chávez. The list is long and telling.

140 Anon January 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I hope there is something in his Executive Orders for the video and Hollywood industries about revamping their ratings for violence. Let’s see, violence has increased in the last 20-30 years, video game violence was introduced during this time and Hollywood makes more visual, violent movies…oh, how could I suggest such a thing….I forgot Hollywood is in Obama’s pockets, not the law abiding middle class people who would like to protect themselves.

141 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Slugga, the arms industry has raked in the profits because we are SCARED of the direction our government is going – creating illegal laws, violating our rights, and doing so with impugnity.

The President’s kids deserve protection. Don’t ours?

142 huh? January 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM

@Slugga #137
And did you not see the President’s background at his 1/16 speech.?…are you mentally
blind!
He can use children for his sway…but others should restrain in theirs?

143 ClayCord Dad January 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM

@itsme, are you serious?

What you might not realize is that the elite of the socialist groups don’t want the socialist rules for themselves, only for the people that are under them.

They will vote in medical care for the people, but will continue with their own private care. They will force school lunch programs on the people, but their kids will eat gourmet meals for lunch. They will vote in higher taxes for the people while they get rich at the government trough. They will force gun regulations on the people while they surround themselves with armed guards, and arm themselves.

“We must show the peasants that the organisation of industry on the basis of modern, advanced technology, on electrification, which will provide a link between town and country, will put an end to the division between town and country, will make it possible to raise the level of culture in the countryside and to overcome, even in the most remote corners of land, backwardness, ignorance, poverty, disease, and barbarism.” – One of Lenin’s elitist comments, but I sure could hear it coming from Obama’s mouth.

Socialism isn’t for them, the elite, it’s for the people.

Can you say “Baaaahhhh”?

144 Pegasus January 17, 2013 at 2:33 PM

New Commemorative Pistol
Ruger is coming out with a new pistol in honor of the United States Senate and the House of Representatives.

It will be named the “Congressman”.

It doesn’t work and you can’t fire it.

145 anon January 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

When the Brady bill was introduced in 1987 it originally called for a five-day waiting period between buying a gun and taking it home. The idea was to implement a “cooling off period” as well as a thorough background check. The NRA succeeded in killing the waiting period, and the lack of it has been killing ever since.

146 DoReMi January 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM

LOL Pegasus!!!

147 Howard K. Millins III January 17, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Man 1

No one needs an AR-15

Man 2

Well, nobody needs a whiney little bitch, yet here you are.

148 WMS January 17, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The second amendment is the peoples defense against a government that turns tyrannical.

NDAA
Extra Judicial Murder of American Citizens Anywhere in the World.
Obama is not an elitist, he is a killer with a list.

149 Equal Rights January 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM

NEVER GIVE IN, yes I am the NRA and no I didn’t vote for the looser OBUMMA.

150 Stupid Should Hurt January 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Enjoying the debate about gun control?

Because each day spent focusing on that is a day we aren’t paying attention to the exploding debt, tepid recovery, high unemployment, farcical foreign policy, and the other items on this administration’s laundry seemingly endless list of failures.

Let’s him focus on the important things- like golf.

151 Concerned Citizen January 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Jeff #141, you say the government is “creating illegal laws, violating our rights, and doing so with impunity”. I assume you mean that you think Congress is passing unconstitutional laws. If that is the case, the Supreme Court will find them unconstitutional. That’s the way our system of checks and balances works. Don’t you believe in our Constitution?

152 Howard K. Millins III January 17, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Checks and Balances does not work when all three of the checkers are ignoring the Constitution.

Judges make up laws and legistlate from the bench, or refer to foriegn country’s for guidance to adjudicate American Laws.

There is no one in the legistlature that can live up to their oath of office, same with the executive branch.

Obama has a government within a government with all the carz who have not been elected but have supreme power over all their areas of authority.

The populace are in a trance and do only as their told.

The rich get richer, the powerful get more powerful and the rest of us suffer while paying for it all. Paying with freedom and taxes.

153 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Not when bills like obamacare go through with all the extras and no congressional oversight.

Frankly, i trust no man who would try and disarm me without due cause. Feinstein’s bill would essentially ban the majority of firearms out there from being manufactured. How is that not control?

People dont seem to understand that laws do not change those who are willing to abide by them, nor do they change the criminal who is going to ignore those same laws.

Yet the government’s action does not focus on the economy. Its in the sh*tter, but now we focus on “the kids” and spend more money we dont have. Change now clearly means government knows best – and that was what set this country apart from all others. We as a whole need to stop and address the behaviors and the reasons for these incidents rather than the guns . Address the real issues. The law abiding have rights that you shall not infringe upon. Innocent until proven guilty – my guns do not make me guilty. My home theater of aurora got shot up – am i to blame for that too?

Start listening – because when you give up one right, the rest will be taken as well. It is a matter of time.

154 Dr. Jellyfinger January 17, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Put nothing past Papa Doc Barrack.

155 Dianne Feinstein January 17, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Armed protection for the peasant children? hahhahaha!

156 ClayCord Dad January 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

@ PHANTOM, that’s interesting…what 1996 budget amendment was that?

157 ClayCord Dad January 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM

“The president’s proposals did include a $150 million request to Congress that would allow schools to hire 1,000 new police officers, counselors and psychologists.”

There were close to 93,000 public elementary and secondary schools in the US back in 2004, so for arguments sake let’s use that number for the above proposal. This would give around $1,600 to each of these schools. How is that going to help? Or if we look at it the other way, only 1,000 of the 93,000 schools will get any help. That’s just a hair over 1% of the schools.

This proposal is next to worthless and won’t fix anything.

158 cornfed January 17, 2013 at 10:18 PM

So public officials’ children should be off limits? Is that so? Well, maybe. As long as their last name isn’t Bush.I just have one question. Which is worse, using the President’s two living children in your political campaign to stop government overreach, or using 20 dead children in your political propaganda to increase it?

159 Laura Zah January 17, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I thought our schools should have had armed guards since 2001. Easy target for terrorism. I’m actually surprised it hasn’t happened yet. Remember what happened in Beslan Russia in 2004?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/23.htm

160 Anon January 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM

BUTTE, MONTANA

Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders…
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
two-story home.
It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father’s room and grabbed his
12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old’s knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0’Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news……..?

An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself……against two murderous, illegal immigrants…….and she wins,
She is still alive.

Now THAT is Gun Control!

Thought for the day….
Calling an illegal alien an
‘undocumented immigrant’
is like calling a drug dealer an
‘unlicensed pharmacist’

161 Anon January 17, 2013 at 11:45 PM

@Concerned Citizen #151

You are foolish if you believe the Supreme Court still acts as an impartial body. Clearly since the 2000 election it has shown itself to be party basis if not just simply a stooge for the executive.

162 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Anon 160,

Your story about the 11 year old girl shooting two intruders isn’t true. it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

163 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Anon 161,

If you don’t like the Supreme Court’s decisions, then I suggest you work hard to get politicians who see things your way elected to the presidency and to the Senate.

I don’t agree with all of the Supreme Court’s decisions either. Some of the justices we have today are terrible. But I understand that the Constitution gives them the final say in interpreting the Constitution. I respect that because I believe in the Constitution. I believe in our form of government. And I don’t stop believing in it just because I don’t like some of the laws that are passed or court decisions that are made.

I would NEVER commit treason by taking up arms against my government. I am appalled at the idiots posting here who think it’s their right to have guns so they can overthrow the government if they don’t like what it’s doing. They should be ashamed of themselves for espousing such unAmerican, such treasonous behavior. This is the United States of America. We settle our political differences at the ballot box, not at the point of a gun.

164 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Concerned Citizen.

You can say what you want about us “wanting to overthrow the government”, but that’s not what was said.

What was said is that our system of checks and balances is being manipulated and ignored, and as such there are many of us who are concerned with Obama’s “end game” – it makes us weaker as a society and it does nothing to address the issues.

Someone has to put these clowns back in their place – They need to follow the rules just like everyone else.

This is not an “elitist” country, despite what Obama wants. We are not socialists. We are Americans, bound together in our differences by certain unalienable rights, including our right to self defense. This is a democracy.

Obama better remember that. That’s all I’m saying. Because while I am restrained and able to have positive discussions about the real issues, there are those that are not and WILL take it as a treasonous act. Bottom line is that you don’t use executive power unless you have a damned good reason, and the measures he has proposed do NOTHING to stop the criminal, only the law-abiding. We are innocent until proven guilty, and abiding by the laws does not make us guilty. Obama has circumvented the Constitution, the highest law of this land. How is the average American supposed to know what his true intent is?

165 @Jeff January 18, 2013 at 9:26 AM

If a President or Congress circumvents the Constitution there are processes that will correct it. History has proven it. Take a chill pill and relax let the process take it’s course. You are paranoid.

As for the others, I can picture them as old fat white guys with an AK15 in one hand and a six pack of Bud in the other in their Sportsmart camouflaged clothes gut hanging to their knees. A laminated copy of the Second Amendment in their shirt pocket. Probably didn’t graduate the 8th grade and drives a pre-smog 60’s pickup to make a statement about government controlling their rides. Not a real threat to anyone and will probably shoot each other it they get too excited. Push comes to shove we will put your ass down like any other terrorist in this country.

166 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Is it paranoid of me to understand fully that my rights are being trampled, due process is being ignored, and the biggest threat to our existence as a country is yet to be determined?

I PRAY that history will correct the course this administration is on, but I don’t expect it. I expect the worst, pray for the best, and prepare for anything.

You can call me paranoid, but never a terrorist. I’m a patriot, and I believe in the fundamentals necessary to maintain a FREE society.

167 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Jeff, we follow the Constitution in the United States of America. If someone thinks Congress has passed a law that is unconstitutional or the president is doing something that is unconstitutional or is circumventing the Constitution, then we settle it in the court system. If we want to “put those clowns back in their place”, we vote them out of office. We don’t take up arms against them. That is treason. Anyone who tries it will go to prison for a very long time.

You asked how the average American is supposed to know what Obama’s true intent is. You do it the same way you’d do it for any other politician. You read what he’s written. You listen to what he says. You look at his voting record. You examine the proposals he is pushing.

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168 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

And from everything he has shown me, Concerned, I am concerned – the fabric of this country is being ripped apart.

No one said I was going to “take up arms” against my government. I do consider their acts treasonous, and I hope that Congress will see it for what it is. But don’t misconstrue me either – I will go to great lengths to see them fail IN COURT, the way it SHOULD be done, before any drastic measures like you are talking about.

The last and final measure should be an uprising. No one wants it, no one expects it, no one hopes for it. But if I am looking at the entire realm of possibilities (unlike my democratic counterparts) I have to consider it a possibility as well.

Again, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. The truth usually lies somewhere in between.

But pal – no offense – don’t misconstrue my words. Our Government is acting in a manner that makes me concerned, but I’m not someone who will violate the law. I am simply calling a spade a spade. (and no racial reference there, simply a common phrase).

169 cornfed January 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM

@Confused Citizen re 163 and the punk who posted 165…

I always love when you sober, clear-thinking types jump in with your lofty pontifications. Your superior intellect is such that us gun-toting neanderthals could never view the world with such clarity and wisdom. Well, okay. Meanwhile, I’ll just remind the rest of the commoners that a President, or any other politician, who violates the Constitution, is not a “political difference”, it is a threat to our country. I’ll also remind Concerned Citiboy that we created this country at the “point of a gun” sir. And we’ll defend it in the same fashion if need be. And when it’s all said and done, you can go back to the ballot box and re-elect the Community Organizer in Chief. I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

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