The Water Cooler – Is President Obama an “Elitist Hypocrite”? The NRA Says “Yes”

January 16, 2013 12:00 pm · 169 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

What’s your opinion on the National Rifle Association ad shown above?

Talk about it….

{ 169 comments }

1 John K January 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I’m fine with anyone who has to go through the Secret Service training and screening to carry a gun in a school zone.

2 Kirkwood January 16, 2013 at 12:09 PM

The video is free speech in action. I don’t think it’s going to change anybody’s opinion one way or the other.

3 Up An Down January 16, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I think everybody should have a right to bear arms an just knoe how to use their fire arms in the right matter I think

4 Anon January 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM

He is the president and protecting his family is a tough job BUT with that said my family is just as important to me so why can’t there be armed folks at my daughter’s school?…so yeah he’s a hypocrite…it’s a do as I say not as I do thing….Is my family some how less important then his?

5 Don't Censor Me Bro January 16, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Absolutely!

6 anonmtz January 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM

The ad is a mess if it meant to convince someone on the fence in this question to come along to the NRA point of view.

You just don’t target the oppositions children….it is a stupid attack and counterproductive.

7 The Real McCoy January 16, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I’m a white male gun owner… the NRA doesn’t represent the vast majority of us in any way, shape, or form. They were once a good organization that focused on gun safety but they’ve transformed into a severely fascist political organization with strong racist undertones… they’re basically an arm of Stormfront or the Aryan Nation at this point.

8 @Anon # 4 January 16, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I seriously doubt anyone wants to kill you or your family. That’s why you don’t get armed guards.

9 Anon January 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM

The ad is political and the NRA is now just as bad as anyone running for office that throws the opponent under the bus. I have completely lost respect for them.

10 Lori January 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Lame on the part of NRA but I would like to hear Obama’s response to the ad

11 Bill C January 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I think the president should set an example by getting rid of all the guns that protect him and his family. Show the American people they are perfectly safe without them. Then he should take a trip to Chicago or Detroit and visit the people he represents. With that said I believe he and our congress members are hypocrites. They can conceal carry but the people can’t.

12 I support the President January 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I support the President and think the NRA needs to get reasonable. In this country if you have a gun in your house, you’re more likely to be shot by a family member than an armed intruder. And the sign about the “gun free” zone is hilarious. Does anyone really think the shooter in Newtown would have just walked away if he’d seen this sign out front???

13 Digger (Not in Concord anymore) January 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Of course Obummer is an elitist hypocrite. Just because he is the “president” (not mine), he believes that his children’s lives are more important than the rest of the countries. Great, they are going to add more gun control to the rest of the country, sounds mostly like the same crap that we deal with in California, hows that working for us? Just look at Oakland and how much less gun violence there is, oh ya, it is not working or even coming close to. He is just saying all this stuff to make all the rainbow sh1tt1ng liberals think he is doing something. All he is doing is driving what appears to be another record year for gun & ammo sales. I nominate Hussein Obama for gun salesman of the year, he really is doing a great job at that. The NRA is not “attacking” Hussein’s kids anymore than the gun control groups are EXPLOITING the tragedy in CT. Remember everyone, Saturday the 19th is NATIONAL GUN APPRECIATION DAY so be sure to go buy some ammo and maybe a new gun, head to the range, and support the 2nd amendment.

14 Screwy Louie January 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Just like the election. Pick at little insignificant facts, out of context, to make someone look bad instead of coming up with a workable solution.
It takes everyone, and it takes time.
Try thinking big picture, all you Politics thread whiners, just once.

15 Don P... North Cawncord January 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Hypocrite, liar, scumbag,failure as a leader, yes whatever you want to call him

16 Anon January 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM

@@anon – #8…How do you know?….I run my own company and maybe an ex-employee may not like how I treated them or may have a mental break down and perceive I somehow caused their predicatment and can’t get to me…again…who makes the call that my children are somehow less important?

17 ClayDen January 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Of course he is, just like a bunch of the other demorats. DiFi squeals loudly about gun bans, yet she had a concealed carry permit.

18 Starlite January 16, 2013 at 12:38 PM

not so……our infamous leader is pushing for gun control laws and has always been so–only out of necessity would he advocate otherwise. This is not part of his decision-nor will it ever be, :-) safety of the american citizens always came first.

19 Starlite January 16, 2013 at 12:38 PM

not so……our infamous leader is pushing for gun control laws and has always been so–only out of necessity would he advocate otherwise. This is not part of his decision-nor will it ever be, ;-) safety of the american citizens always came first.

20 what security January 16, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I want a flame thrower It’s my 2nd Am right. I need to protect my family
Why can’t I have one? Actually I want to build a bunker too. Pleeeeeeeeeease wake up. Get a dog

21 Connie Dobbs January 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

#11 Why spend the money on a trip to Detroit when all he has to do is cross the street to Lafayette Park?

22 Schmee January 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Does elitist mean educated?

23 intrtiguing January 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM
24 Jeff swift January 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

How is this an attack on his kids? Thats just an ignorant notion. and obviously a gun free zone sign wont deter anyone or anything, but thats kinda the point. He is trying to pass something that would in no way shape or form stop the people who commit these acts. And as usual, everyone wants to point a finger, but nobody has a great tangeable solution. How many lives a year get taken from cancer, thats something I wouldn’t mind seeing 500$ of extra gov’t money we dont have being put towards. By the way, if anyone read the press release about Obama’s statement today, you would know this is for the future, current gun owners would not infringed upon. Still, yes I have always thought he was a hypocrite.

25 Rob January 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

The NRA is grasping for straws as they watch public support move away from them with every mass slaughter and every child buried.

26 Pyrrhus January 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

This is idiotic. If you don’t know the differences between the dangers that the President’s child faces versus the dangers your children face than you need to get your head examined. How many of you are the leader of the most powerful country in the world? Would terrorists or other wack jobs know who you are and would target your children to control/hurt you? Other than you, family members, and friends, who gives a rats ass who you or your children are?

I’m for regulation not banning of guns, but the NRA keeps making themselves look like idiots and nut jobs. What’s next from the NRA? A video about how the Newtown shootings are a hoax put on by the government?

27 Triple Canopy January 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Obama is the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE.. he’s an ARROGANT A-HOLE. … right up there with Al Gore.

28 Dutch January 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Yep. You bet he is.

29 Parsnip January 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Obama won’t accomplish a whole lot considering that the majority is up to Congress. Nothing but a bunch of yakkity-yak.

On the flip side, has anyone seen the NRA advocate screaming at Piers Morgan on the CNN ad for his show? THAT guy appears to have broken his mentality lock into a 51/50 case. And we’re supposed to feel “secure” with him armed???

30 Pack'n Heat January 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The NRA has had 250,000 new members since the school tragedy. Obviously people are wanting to protect themselves more.

31 City Girl January 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I applaud Obama, finally!!! The NRA is a bunch of whiners!!

32 Tree Farm January 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

How is this news to anyone? Of course the Democrats are hypocrites. They passed an “Affordable Care Act” that they exempted themselves from.

Old news….

33 Woodrow Call January 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

@ Rob #25, I guess having 250,000 new members join the NRA in the last month has them scared if loosing support and grasping for straws.

34 Shuley January 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

This is the same NRA that blamed video games for mass shootings and not a month later released a first person shooter video game for ages 4 and up. Now, who’s the hypocrite?

The NRA is slowly digging themselves into oblivion. Most of their own members don’t even support their position on this..

35 Anonymous January 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

The President posed with a bunch of kids and that’s OK? Wanna use kids to make a point it can come back to bite you.

36 Truth Teller January 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Would anybody on this site want to live in a society in which only the armed forces or law enforcement have the firearms?

37 Elwood January 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Of course the Kenyan is a hypocrite. Throughout his career he’s changed directions more often than a wind vane.

elitist

1.
(of a person or class of persons) considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society: elitist country clubbers who have theirs and don’t care about anybody else.

38 GoodGrief January 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Yes he is a hypocrite as are most of the anti-gun people. These new laws will do nothing. After they do NOTHING and more killings happen there will be MORE gun control and this cycle will continue until WE are totally disarmed. The criminals never will be. This is their point: people control. This probably wont affect me as I am getting older but my kids and yours will be disarmed one day.

39 KJ January 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

This just proves to me that the NRA has become part of the lunatic fringe.

40 ANONONONON January 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

If the president is elitest then I am one too. It’s his education, ability to reason and his willingness to compromise that makes him an elitest to the conservatives. His children have much more protection than just some armed guard with a Sig Sauer. But his kids are much more of target on a dailys basis. The NRA has shown it colors and they are blood red. They have moved away from being a political lobbying group and have moved into the wacko-nut job group.

41 mike mac January 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Gun free zones are killing fields in the making. Instead of moving away from gun rights, many gun rights groups are gaining members, including the NRA, GOA, and GOC. Interesting use of kids: black male, asian female, white female and white male. Where was the Mexican?

42 CP January 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Are his kids more important than our kids? Nope. Are they more susceptible to kidnapping, bodily harm, etc.? ABSOLUTELY!!! He’s the President of the United States and one of the most powerful men in the world for christ’s sake. All this is is a lame attempt by the NRA to make their lame point. It’s pathetic.

43 GGG January 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

The Presidential Family is provided armed security because 22% of US Presidents have been assassinated or have been a victim of an attempted assassination. Imagine how many death threats are made on the a US President and/or their family each day. Those stats are staggering and are not in any way the stats of regular civilians.

44 vindex January 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I’m definitely not a pro-gun citizen. It clearly states in the 2nd amendment, that it is a constitutional right to possess a gun, however. If we need to change this, we can do so through another Constitutional Amendment. This is the process. What is troubling is the President somehow feels like he can work around the Constitution in this matter. Also, I do believe Pres. Obama is a hypocrite on this matter. He has armed guards protecting him. He has Secret Service protecting his wife and daughters. He also has sent his daughters to a school were there are numerous armed guards. He is a hypocrite.

45 Julio-Antioch January 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Digger! How is that grandson Maxx?

NRA is a bit over board and all government leaches are hipocrites. Get the AK-47′s and repeater type firing guns out of the mix. I still want a weapon even though I can’t afford one.

46 vindex January 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Oh please, @ the real mccoy. Racist? You are deluded. Was Moveon.org racist when it went after Pres. Bush? Because he was a white guy? Give me a break. You are a bully and you diminish real racism when you see racism under every bush and tree. The NRA’s opposition has nothing to do with race. It is a pro-gun organization (For better or worse) and they are feeling threatened by the President’s proposals and rhetoric. Give the Race bullying a break.

47 Anon January 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Will these laws protect me from the criminal with the gun? The answer is no. This gun control will limit the law abiding citizens from getting a gun, if they want one, to protect them and their family, to hunt, etc. If the answer were yes, Mr. Obama and the others would not have secret service or permits to carry a concealed weapon.

48 Zach January 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Of course he is. all politicians are. And to imply that one persons life is more important than another…well, you may as well live in the UK ;).

49 The Real McCoy January 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

@46

> The NRA is not “attacking” Hussein’s kids anymore than the gun control groups are EXPLOITING the tragedy in CT

> that Kenyan

Yeah, no racism here. Go back to prison where you belong, dumba**, your Aryan Nation brothers await you.

50 ptpauly January 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Yes Obama is an elitest. The second amendment is there to protect this country from being run like any other third world dictatorship. If the politicians take away the publics guns, how would you protect yourself from the government who now could force you into slave labor, communism, anything they wanted because you would have no way to stand up to them. USA official religion, language, sexual orientation, you would have to follow what they say. Taxes, you pay 75% thats it, the politicians take the rest.
Look at the press. there is no more middle coverage or unbiased coverage. We see what the owners of the networks want us to see, and try to sway you and me to their point of view, which ever station you choose to watch.

51 Betty January 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

dumbest question ever- every prez has to protect their family and these gun nuts prove the point.

There were armed guards at many of the schools that had shootings- they don’t work.

NRA will do anything to pander to dumb people

52 I Support Obama January 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I think the proposed new regulations are reasonable. The government is not taking away our guns, contrary to the alarmists who are screaming like little kids having a temper tantrum.

We’re taking a step in a sane direction by banning things like high-capacity magazines, specific types of military-style assault weapons, and by also removing loopholes in background checks (only 60% of current gun sales have proper checks).

Since a large majority of criminals get their weapons via “straw purchases,” where a legal buddy or family member buys for them, cutting those buyers off should absolutely have an impact on assault weapons not getting into the wrong hands. As will the tightened up background checks and federal database.

He also wants to fund research on gun violence and shore up our mental health resources. How is that preventing the average citizen from protecting his or her home?

People calling Obama a Kenyan or using his middle name, Hussein, to emphasize his African or Islamic connections, are small-minded bigots. Argue intelligently, don’t stoop to these lame tactics. It reminds me of the flyer sent out during the Concord City Council election campaigns smearing Edi Birsan by making him look unAmerican.

53 Jeff January 16, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I would just like to call out those who are blaming the NRA for calling Obama elitist as a “tactic” – are not calling out his use of children as a “prop” for his unconstitutional decree regarding the banning of the 2nd Amendment.

Which is worse?

54 @49 January 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

How are any of those comments racist? Please elaborate.

55 What?!? January 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

This video is so incorrect and the propaganda is ridiculous! Completely false information!!! The answer to Newtown is NOT armed guards at every school. They are really hoping to convince the dumb redneck gun loving people of this country to help get support. Even if it means complete fabrication.

NRA = IDIOTS.

People who support them should be offended by this ad.

56 Coco January 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

How many innocent children and people have to die by the hand of mad, angry and dysfunctional male who has no compassion for himself or others.
Wake up America. The NRA is a lobby, just like the tobacco lobby they don’t care about anyone, they just want sales.
Gun sales have been dropping for years, the same old paranoid gun culture advocates keep buying the weapons over and over again.
Do you really need an AR-15 with a 30 round clip to protect yourself from a thief ? I hate to be in the next room in your house if you miss.

57 Pucky January 16, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I wish there were “Like” & “Crap” radio buttons we could click on! It would make reading this “Stuff” fun! LOL

58 Jeff January 16, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Some of the posters are clearly misguided by the continuing (not Claycord) misinformation campaign being fed by the national media.

The steps Obama is taking will not make any difference in stopping these types of incidents.

Focus on the behavior of the criminal instead of those who have done nothing wrong. Innocent until proven guilty still stands in this country.

59 Digger (Not in Concord Anymore) January 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

@ 56

“Gun sales have been dropping for years, the same old paranoid gun culture advocates keep buying the weapons over and over again.”

If you would care to educate yourself about that which you say, you would realize that there are tons of new gun owners everyday. Every time I go into a gun store there are always a few people in there buying firearms and have never shot before and now getting a gun for the first time. Gun sales are way up because of Hussein Obama (from Kenya). People are starting to realize that the police are there to clean up messes and not prevent crime. These proposed regulation will do absolutely nothing to prevent any gun violence. Maybe if the government didn’t have the fast and the furious then more people would still be alive.

60 Jeff January 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Obama is not just an elitist, he is a hypocrite. No research into the executive orders he wants to pass. The statistics he is using are one sided and don’t show the entire picture, and created by a group with an agenda.

If you want to do it right, focus on what causes someone to snap and how to recognize potentially dangerous behavior.

This is nothing but a gun grab disguised as a “saver of children”. That’s why he is using them as propoganda.

61 Connie Dobbs January 16, 2013 at 2:33 PM

#54 If he doesn’t know what ‘fascist’ means, how can you expect him to know the difference between racism and bigotry?

62 Pistol Pakin' Mama January 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM

All Hail King Obama!! People wanta fight for gay rights, then why is it so wrong for the people who want to fight for the right to bear arms. All the libs fighting this issue and calling the Sheriffs who are standing up to King Obama arrogant are hypocrites. Banning guns aint gonna stop no criminal from coming in and raping you or hurting you or your children. Banning guns is not going to stop the non law-abiding citizens from obtaining a gun and using it however they want. Wake up people! Stop believing the propaganda this administration and main stream media are putting in your face….

63 A-Bubble. January 16, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Instaead of paying for all those armed security guards at each an every school .. just make the principal take a gun control class and provide he or she with one gun???

64 Digger (Not in Concord Anymore) January 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Can we please use proper terminology, a clip is very different than a magazine. The things we are all talking about are “high capacity magazines”, not clips, very different. Thank you.

65 Mary January 16, 2013 at 3:03 PM

@mike mac 41

” Where was the Mexican?”

The Mexican child was killed – FAST & FURIOUS. NoObama would not dare show that.

I am not a member of the NRA but remember the NRA were the ones who taught American Africans how to defend themselves from the Democrap Party creation the KKK. =)

66 Info January 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM
67 Info January 16, 2013 at 3:15 PM

lol….amature

68 Intrigued January 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Interesting thought…….

69 As Usual... January 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

There are the Patriots who scream about the 2nd Amendment.

Say…can you name any others?

70 Trevbo January 16, 2013 at 3:25 PM

The presidents kids aren’t attending Sandy Hook or a public school in Chicago or Washington DC. But your kids are fine and they’re not as important as the royal family anyway so shut up.

71 The Phantom January 16, 2013 at 3:31 PM

He is one of twenty people on this planet, who are fit to be President of the United States of America.

Yes, the President is one of the finest minds on the planet. Surprised I should see one more before my lifetime is spent. I have read the works of great men and women all my life. Many are from ages before my time. Jefferson, Hamilton, Lincoln, and this President rank easily as their peer.

He is already ranked as one of the great people in history, and one of our greatest presidents.

It’s always hard on the football squad when the smart kid gets the scholarship to the same college they aspire to attend, [want to go to...].

Yo Digger; They be clips in MSM today, get on it. And you know what else? THE BLACK GUY WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION …TWICE.

72 Dorothy January 16, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Since the NRA is basically the political arm of the gun and munition industry is anyone surprised they keep pounding on the 2nd amendment to make sure that gun and munitions sales of all kinds are not hindered in any way?

If you are going to call politicians willing to vote for basic gun/munition laws as fear mongers, can’t the same be said of those who insist that we should all buy guns & munitions to protect ourselves?

I have yet to hear a valid argument for the sale of assault and military guns and munitions to everyday people.

73 Guns vs Debt January 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM

After giving his gun control recommendations with the children as a back drop, the President should have turned around and asked them what they thought about the endless amount of debt they will have to pay for. If you follow his statements he is a complete Hypocrite

74 notindebt January 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Yup!

75 The Phantom January 16, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Who are the liars?

“The president’s proposals did include a $150 million request to Congress that would allow schools to hire 1,000 new police officers, counselors and psychologists.”

Who hid the truth about gun violence?

“Government scientists have been prohibited from researching the causes and prevention of gun violence since 1996, when a budget amendment was passed that barred researchers from spending taxpayer money on such studies.”

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_GUN_CONTROL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-16-13-03-37

GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN PROHIBITED FROM RESEARCHING THE CAUSES AND PREVENTION OF GUN VIOLENCE SINCE 1996, WHEN A BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS PASSED THAT BARRED RESEARCHERS FROM SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY ON SUCH STUDIES.

76 Jeff January 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Here’s the truth.

Some people view me as a “nut” because I believe in a citizen’s right to keep and bear arms. Under the 1st amendment, I have a right to my opinions. I also have the right to keep and bear arms under the 2nd.

I view some people as “nuts” because they want to give away the 2nd Amendment rights to a government that is out of control. But you also have a RIGHT to your opinion under the 1st amendment.

I can respect people for their rights – however, they can’t respect me for mine. I believe that is called elitism.

I don’t agree with all the liberal agenda’s out there – but I agree with someone’s right to have their opinions. However, there are certain rights that we ALL have, whether everyone believes in them or not, and those “shall not be infringed”. The government IS infringing upon my rights, specifically to a fair trial (guilty until proven innocent – considering me a criminal simply because of my own beliefs/ownership of firearms) and my right to keep and bear arms, which is necessary for a free state.

Without the 2nd Amendment, we are no longer “free”. We are puppets at the whims of a government who thinks they know what’s best for us.

77 Jeff January 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Why do we guard banks with firearms?

Why do we guard Presidents with firearms?

Why do we guard our valuables with firearms?

Because evil exists, and NO LAW ON THIS PLANET will stop someone from committing those crimes. But firearms provide an additional deterrence.

Therefore, additional laws will not work, they will only be shrugged aside by those who don’t want to follow them, while restricting those of us who do follow them.

The fallacy of the gun control argument is that you will restrict the crooks from obtaining guns by limiting the type, amount, etc. The TRUTH is that they get them anyways.

When you disarm the citizen, it becomes a criminal’s paradise. He doesn’t fear getting caught. He fears getting SHOT.

78 Few Things... January 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Betty: What incidents are you referring to where there was an armed guard that didn’t work? Columbine had an armed sheriff’s deputy that exchanged fire with the killers and was credited for saving many lives.

Shuley: You left out that the NRA game, unlike most first-person shooters today, has the user shooting at inanimate objects.

Phantom: You stated, “He [Obama] is already ranked as one of the great people in history, and one of our greatest presidents.”

Based on what accomplishments?

79 Em Dubya January 16, 2013 at 4:47 PM

I know that the Constitution is out of vogue. We use it to justify non-enumerated rights like privacy and ignore it as a dusty antique when expedient.

So….when our founders came up with a list of 10 rights inherently residing in the People and not to be abridged by a central Government, this right was only #2 on a list of 10.

It’s an antique of a bygone era. Throw out the 3rd Amendment too….who needs civil protection from the military? I say the 1st Amendment is unduly broad too – there are too many people able to say and think things that I disagree with.

What made this country great was that for the last several centuries people came here to be part of a collective that bows to every whim of a central government – that is why DC is one of the 50 states, that is why we needed a centralized powerful place to make everyone do its will after rebelling against a tyrannical England. Right?

No question that mass murder is evil and tragic. No question that citizens don’t need bona fide combat weapons. No question that the legislation of laws requires bicameralism and presentment (READ the Constitution). A thorough read of 225 years of constitutional jurisprudence would help a few people understand how and why all of this works the way it does.

80 good grief January 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM

So much misinformation in these comments. I don’t like being told what to do nor do I wear your rose colored glasses. Take a look around people. Crime & evil is getting WAY worse and none of your gun control will do a thing to stop it. All this does is take away your ability to defend yourself from criminals AND your government.

You all might as well anoint him King Obama. He seems to think he is anyway and he knows whats best for you so sit down, shut up, and let him/them decide how your life will be lived.

81 Howard K Mullins III January 16, 2013 at 4:55 PM

@Jeff

The lemmings of the left want to bring the rest of us down to their level. A level that forbids original thought, a level that punishes people for excelling in any way.

Anonmtz said that life would be perfect if everyone followed what the government says to do without deviation.

Anyone who steps out of that rut is an elitist, a rebel and a racist. Of course that is ridiculous. Its just that the lemmings hate to see anyone not follow them over the cliff.

The greatest dilemma of the lemmings is to figure out what is the best way to pick up a turd by the clean end. Kind of like contemplating their collective naval. Few are worth the bother to acknowledge existing.

82 Law Abiding Citizen January 16, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Wow there are some very *not smart people here on claycord*
Passing laws wont stop criminals from getting guns, you think criminals will take the time to do a straw purchase? lol

They steal guns and ammo.

You think limiting us law abiding people to 10 rds and 7 rds will be a good idea when criminals have 30-100 rd mags?

Do any of you claycordians even know what the 2nd amendment is about? Why it is there?

83 bumper January 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I thought it was very bad to march out children during his signing ceremony. Havent they been through enough? Placing them in the limelight is disgusting.

84 anon January 16, 2013 at 5:08 PM

And since Obama had kids there, if the GOP won’t work to pass something they will be AGAINST the protection of kids. Once again the repuklicans set themselves up for failure backing the wrong horse. They will lose in 2016.

85 Dorothy January 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

@ Few Things…

Reagan had armed guards – well trained ones at that.

86 GG January 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM

There are only two questions that should be asked of the ad is: Is Obama’s daughters protected by legally armed individuals? If the answer is yes, and we all know it is yes. Then, why aren’t all children protected by armed guards, aren’t they as precious as Obama’s kids?

87 Let's be reasonable January 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Dear Jeff and others who are sputtering about the 2nd amendment.

This is not about taking away your basic right to bear arms. It’s about getting back some sanity after being brainwashed by the NRA, gun lobby and others who think it’s OK for citizens to buy weapons designed (albeit modified) specifically for mass mayhem.

How is this remotely acceptable to public safety? With your logic, why not let people buy flamethrowers or RPG’s?

Stop being the whiney victim of a “big, bad government.” We’re still in a democracy, despite those who wrongly choose to call President Obama, “King Hussein.”

Obviously, it’s the easy way out to whine and name call.

88 Leadership From Behind January 16, 2013 at 5:16 PM

All regulations in place or those proposed would have stopped Oklahoma City just how? Opportunistic grandstanding by a narcissist once again attempting any way possible to make his niche in history. All the other mass casualty events were not “Worthy” of his attention, he could have made some or any of his executive orders after anyone of those events. For some reason dead kids got his attention, . . . a little late as usual.
Virtually all killers had Documented mental problems yet they fell thru the cracks. Had existing laws been thoroughly followed and proper authorities notified shooters at Virgina Tech, Aurora theater and Tuscon would not have been able to buy or legally poses firearms. Thanks mr president for being reactive rather than proactive. PATHETIC

89 Ronald Reagan January 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

No he’s not an elitist, and I don’t give two poops what the NRA thinks. President Obama did the right thing today.

The NRA is a organization funded by Gun Manufacturers whose sole purposes is to play on the fears of people who cannot discern a real threat from a story about a boogy man or an army coming after their guns.

Great for Gun Sales though. Great for Democrats in 2014.

90 anon January 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I’ve never met a politician who isn’t an elitist hypocrite. If they weren’t one when they started in politics, they quickly become one. Even Ron Paul couldn’t always resist the urge, though he did much better than any other I can think of since before the Civil War.

The question is, why do you all keep voting for them and giving them more power?

91 Elwood January 16, 2013 at 5:46 PM

@ the phantom #71

What have you been smoking? Is there any left? Can I have some?

If Obama is one of the finest minds it’s the end of the line for homo sapiens.

You should join Al Sharpton’s campaign to put Jug Ears on Mt. Rushmore.

92 @GG January 16, 2013 at 5:47 PM

When you know when to use “are” instead of “is” you can post here. Until then take a hike.

93 @82 January 16, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Guns should be locked up in a gun safe that is secured to prevent removal. So you hold owners who don’t secure their guns responsible. Send a couple of you law abiding citizens to jail if your guns are used in a crime and that would stop real quick.

94 Elwood January 16, 2013 at 5:57 PM

@ the phantom #75

“Government scientists have been prohibited from researching the causes and prevention of gun violence since 1996, when a budget amendment was passed that barred researchers from spending taxpayer money on such studies.”

Documentation please. Or is that of interest only to us reality based folks?

95 anon January 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM

The NRA’s Idea Of A Civil Discussion About Guns:

Call The President Names And Go After His Kids

96 Blue Fan January 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Obama is far far worse than a hypocrite. The sooner he’s impeached the better. I’m fine with the NRA. I think when I get home I’ll join and show my support.

97 anon January 16, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I’m still scratching my head trying to understand why the far right wing “conservatives” keep confusing gun control with gun confiscation? don’t exactly need to bust out the webster’s dictionary to know the difference between control and confiscation.

98 anon January 16, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Second Amendment as interpreted today:

An unregulated mass of armed citizens
Being necessary to the perpetuation of the firearms industry
The right of the people to buy and conceal the latest in man slaughtering technology
Shall not be infringed.

99 Law Abiding Citizen January 16, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Id like to ask, have any of you anti gun people have been a victim of a home invasion? Robbed?

Im trying to be fair, yes the NRA isnt 100 % perfect, but neither is Obama.
4 years later, were still trillions in debt, more than we were with Bush right?
No side is perfectly right. Im trying to be logical.
You will NEVER take all guns away, and the only people who abide the law is law abiding citizens. So you ban certain guns because they are black, and scary looking and limit your magazines to 7 or 10 rds.

Now all you have is a old bolt action 4 rd rifle and a criminal didnt turn in his 30-100 rd mag and can out shoot you while you are reloading.
Or you are in a theater or school where signs say “no guns” or “gun free zone” but yet again another attack and mass murder happens because you and me are law abiding cant carry a gun and follow the law and cant protect ourselves and yet a whacko decides the hell with your no gun sign and shoots up a school anyways how do you feel with these gun bans?
You should feel pretty idiotic already because there was a assault weapons ban from 1994-2004, and what happened? Columbine and other school shootings. You anti gun people obviously haven’t learned either.

100 anon January 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Ronald Reagan supported a ban on assault weapons.

Antonin Scalla ruled it is constitutional.

101 Howard K Mullins III January 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM

@ anon # 97

Looking at history, control leads to confiscation. Governments legislating behavior leads to fascism. Spreading the wealth around means no one wins.

That’s ok, stay in your rut lemming. You’ll never know when you charge off the cliff.

102 J. January 16, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Fire sale: Lifetime Membership in NRA only $300; down from $1,000

103 Anon2 January 16, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Because once you give the government an inch they take a mile. First it is taking 40 round clips then it’s your pea shooter.

104 futbllwmn January 16, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Did you know that a few weeks ago Obama signed a bill that will give him (and all future presidents) life time Secret Service protection paid for by the taxpayers, of course. Up until he signed the bill former presidents had 10 years of protection after leaving office.

105 Concordian January 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I would rather not have an armed guard at my kids school at any level the first person shot is that armed guard that isn’t gonna stop a thing. I don’t think he thinks his kids are more important then our every president has had armed guards for there kids at school. People are acting as if he said ban all guns this is not what he is saying I see no use for these assult type riffles if we didn’t have then then there would have been no shooting at columbine or arora and sandy hook. All these types of guns to is tear stuff apart I don’t hunt but from what I understand the point of hunting is not just for the sport of it it’s to eat the kill and if it’s just ripped to bits what’s the point. I think he has the right idea to bad it will never pass I hope atleast part of it will pass.

106 J. January 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

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107 Mari January 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM

So if his kids are kidnapped, our national security is compromised. A president is a father first. If he were to have to choose between his children or the security of our country, what do you think he would choose? If my child is kidnapped, heaven forbid, I don’t have any secrets or money that anyone would want. That’s the difference.

108 Claycordian January 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM

If you research the Sidwell Friends School, you will find that they have armed guards IN ADDITION to the secret service protection for the Obama children.

This is where the elitist hypocrite label comes from.

109 shuley January 16, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Restrictions on guns are no more a breach of the second amendment any more than libel is a breach of the first. Nobody is taking all of the guns away.They are just proposing common sense restrictions that the majority of Americans favor.

Its not just about personal protection. Its also about working to keep dangerous guns away from criminals.

110 anonanonagain January 16, 2013 at 8:27 PM

@ Jeff, “The statistics he is using are one sided and don’t show the entire picture, and created by a group with an agenda.This is nothing but a gun grab disguised as a “saver of children”. That’s why he is using them as propoganda.”

You don’t think that the NRA have a biased agenda?? Gun grab?? You mean the type of guns that are used in brutal war in the hands of everyday citizens? WE have certainly got carried away with our right to bear arms. The thought that in 1776 the type of gun used to protect people from an intruder or a government of a country that might try and take the country back, was a simple rifle with a musket. Now we are armed to the teeth. We are ill and don’t even see it………

111 @Anon2 January 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM

“Because once you give the government an inch they take a mile. First it is taking 40 round clips then it’s your pea shooter.”

Bull$&*#!!! Who needs 40 round clips??? Paranoid like all the other nutters??? You sound like Ted Kaczynski. Must be writing from your shack in the woods……

112 Amazed January 16, 2013 at 8:40 PM

@52 I Support Obama

Thank you for your thoughtful, well-reasoned comment, a refreshing break from the racist, inaccurate, and paranoid ad hominem attacks on our president.

113 Em Dubya January 16, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Although I disagree with the idea that pushback on specific regulation is the same as pushback on any regulation, my respect and thanks to those who have articulated a reasoned position different than mine. Time will tell on how today’s developments play out.

In a time where administrative regatory authority is more involved than ever in the lives of the law abiding, it is at least fair to ask that new rules don’t unduly burden the law abiding while doing little to make being an outlaw more difficult. It seems like often we make it easier to become an outlaw rather than make it harder to persist as someone who chooses life outside the law.

114 SanDee January 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM

If something is killing our children, why would we make more?
More guns are not the answer, more responsibility is.

115 TinFoiler January 16, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Doesn’t matter. Organic Act of 1871 screwed ALL of us.

116 @SanDee January 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM

You are a drone. “Something” didn’t kill anyone! “SOMEONE” DID ! There’s a huge difference.

117 Gunja Din January 16, 2013 at 10:44 PM

I’m a member of the NRA and I oppose Obama’a agenda. I also oppose the use of “presidential findings” and “executive orders” by any president to circumvent the constitutional process of law-making.

The problem isn’t guns. It’s our sick society. We let the mentally have a choice of whether or not to take their meds, they end up homeless or hurt people, and then there’s an outcry.

You hear all about tolerance, but usually in connection with a small segment of our population. Why not make it clear…it isn’t right or acceptable to hurt anyone, period. For some reason modern media (games, movies, music, etc…) makes crime look cool.

118 @Claycordian 108 January 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Claycordian, I researched Sidwell Friends School and I haven’t found any evidence that they have armed guards in addition to Secret Service agents. All I’ve found is a rightwing blog making that claim, then other rightwing blogs repeating it. I haven’t found any reputable news organization reporting it. The school’s website doesn’t mention armed guards. As far as I can tell, the school has a security department, and one of the blogs linked to a job opening for a security officer with the requirement that he meet the DC police department’s requirements for a “special police officer”. My research did show that it is a Quaker school and Quakers believe in nonviolence. That makes me a bit skeptical of claims about armed guards.

119 Legal Gun Holder January 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

I’ll keep my gun–ccw next.

120 True or not ? January 17, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Until armed help arrives, gun free zones are target rich.

121 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Here’s a novel idea: Let us make heroin & methamphetamine illegal so that the use of them stops!

Oh, wait…

122 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:27 AM

With hand raised high, during a discussion of crime, in Kotter;’s class”Horshack” said to “Vinnie Barbarino:” Oh, I know, I know, if the government controls prescription drugs by using pharmacies the robbery of pharmacies will stop, right?

123 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:32 AM

@LBR #7, “We” – the USA – is a Constitutional Republic!

124 Don't Censor Me Bro January 17, 2013 at 3:35 AM

According to ObLAMEr, if Osama ben Laden is controlled [killed] then al Qaeda will be stopped…

125 Long Time Reader January 17, 2013 at 5:33 AM

The whole point of removing arms from people is so the gov can declare martial law and totally control the people. Control is the first step to taking guns from the people. Then it will be illegal to own one. Then watch what happens. Just like Russia was like.

126 lexicon January 17, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Gun Free Zones are obviously ineffective, and may encourage people who want to commit mass murder to target our kids. We should allow teachers and school staff to protect our kids. Concealed Carry works. See “More Guns, Less Crime” by John Lott.

127 judaspriest January 17, 2013 at 7:06 AM

were F’ ED with this bozo running the show and it gets worse with each passing day I can only imagine what king kenyan has in store for us minions next sit back relax and enjoy the show as one man not fit for the job destroys what was built …..

128 me January 17, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Hell no.
Only morons and teabaggers think(?) so.

129 Vindex January 17, 2013 at 7:20 AM

@the real McCoy
You are a bully. Aryan brotherhood? I’m a minority. I go to minority conferences. Your ignorance and hate are a tactic that has worked for far too long. Disagree with you and you attack. You are not welcome in a civil dialogue on a matter like this. Try again. How is this charge by the NRA a racist charge? Try it without name calling

130 Parsnip January 17, 2013 at 7:33 AM

@Amazed #112 — “a refreshing break from the racist, inaccurate, and paranoid ad hominem attacks on our president.”

Oh please … I voted for the fool in 2008. Justify your general blah-blah by emphasizing how that makes ME “racist, inaccurate” or making “paranoid ad hominem attacks.” The little addendum that he forgot to include in the 2008 speeches was that they *would not take effect unless re-elected in 2012*

Better yet, explain how his hyperbole from 1/16, in which he continually used the word “proposal,” becomes law. Are you suggesting that he can enter the back door to Congress and supersede what THEY make law by way of his “proposals?”

131 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM

The difference? (for the poster who called me out)

The NRA can back up their stats. They aren’t pulling them out of thin air like the gun grabbers. The gun grabbers stats are based on emotion, and the NRA’s are based on fact.

Bottom line, we have a treasonous administration who is using their power to violate our rights. That’s a fact. They are making criminals out of the law-abiding simply because they don’t like firearms. Innocent until proven guilty has been thrown aside based on “fear” of an inantimate object that can’t do ANYTHING by itself.

132 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Even more importantly, since we all can’t seem to agree, we should have the ability to choose for ourselves, NOT have government choose for us. It’s the beginning of the erosion of ALL our rights.

Where will you lefties be when that happens? Hiding in the closet waiting for your government check?

133 DoReMi January 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Of course Obama is elitist. You would never catch him pledging his allegance to the American flag like the rest of us regular folk. You can also bet he never sang patriot songs with a group when growing up. In fact, he boasts of his specialness. He belongs in several special groups. Black, muslim, Harvard grad, single mom, pothead, college radical. He married a woman that outright said she was ashamed of being American. Now that is very special.

Elitist? Oh yes. You won’t find him in the trenches with the regular folks, but the same goes for most politicians and other people of ‘position’. You cannot erase human nature. Elitism is part of the Ego. Privilege accentuates the self serving in all of us.

134 Ricardoh January 17, 2013 at 8:59 AM

The real problem is mentally ill people. As usual Obama is going after the wrong people. With millions of guns in the United States when some nut job wants to kill, gun control will not stop him or her. All of these mass killers were suffering mental illnesses that people knew about but nothing was done about it. Obama using children as a backdrop was revolting. Put sick people in mental institutions before they have to be put in prisons.

135 itsme January 17, 2013 at 9:04 AM

So is he an “elitest” or a “socialist”? Can’t have it both ways people!

136 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Being an elitist is an ego issue. Being a socialist is his political view.

And Obama thinks he can have it his way. Perhaps he’d be better off running Burger King, at least he could wear one of the hats…

137 Slugga January 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM

The arms industry has raked in the profits since Obama was elected. That is arguably the healthiest sector of our economy right now. The vast majority of NRA members are good people who keep the country safer. The real reason for its existence, however, is to be a lobbying group for the arms industry. Their goal is profit, not defending people’s lives or the Second Amendment. They can say whatever they want about the President, but keep his kids out of it. Just disgusting. It took them a week to figure out the solution- sell more guns!

138 What a fool January 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

NRA head: Controversial ad ‘wasn’t about the president’s daughters’

Will the GOP back this organization to certain defeat in 2014?

139 DoReMi January 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Slugga: Speaking of keeping his kids out of it???? aHEM!

That speaks volumns about the Obama tactics to dissarm the law abiding public. He is milking that one just like Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, Kim Il-sung, Hugo Chávez. The list is long and telling.

140 Anon January 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I hope there is something in his Executive Orders for the video and Hollywood industries about revamping their ratings for violence. Let’s see, violence has increased in the last 20-30 years, video game violence was introduced during this time and Hollywood makes more visual, violent movies…oh, how could I suggest such a thing….I forgot Hollywood is in Obama’s pockets, not the law abiding middle class people who would like to protect themselves.

141 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Slugga, the arms industry has raked in the profits because we are SCARED of the direction our government is going – creating illegal laws, violating our rights, and doing so with impugnity.

The President’s kids deserve protection. Don’t ours?

142 huh? January 17, 2013 at 11:57 AM

@Slugga #137
And did you not see the President’s background at his 1/16 speech.?…are you mentally
blind!
He can use children for his sway…but others should restrain in theirs?

143 ClayCord Dad January 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM

@itsme, are you serious?

What you might not realize is that the elite of the socialist groups don’t want the socialist rules for themselves, only for the people that are under them.

They will vote in medical care for the people, but will continue with their own private care. They will force school lunch programs on the people, but their kids will eat gourmet meals for lunch. They will vote in higher taxes for the people while they get rich at the government trough. They will force gun regulations on the people while they surround themselves with armed guards, and arm themselves.

“We must show the peasants that the organisation of industry on the basis of modern, advanced technology, on electrification, which will provide a link between town and country, will put an end to the division between town and country, will make it possible to raise the level of culture in the countryside and to overcome, even in the most remote corners of land, backwardness, ignorance, poverty, disease, and barbarism.” – One of Lenin’s elitist comments, but I sure could hear it coming from Obama’s mouth.

Socialism isn’t for them, the elite, it’s for the people.

Can you say “Baaaahhhh”?

144 Pegasus January 17, 2013 at 2:33 PM

New Commemorative Pistol
Ruger is coming out with a new pistol in honor of the United States Senate and the House of Representatives.

It will be named the “Congressman”.

It doesn’t work and you can’t fire it.

145 anon January 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

When the Brady bill was introduced in 1987 it originally called for a five-day waiting period between buying a gun and taking it home. The idea was to implement a “cooling off period” as well as a thorough background check. The NRA succeeded in killing the waiting period, and the lack of it has been killing ever since.

146 DoReMi January 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM

LOL Pegasus!!!

147 Howard K. Millins III January 17, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Man 1

No one needs an AR-15

Man 2

Well, nobody needs a whiney little bitch, yet here you are.

148 WMS January 17, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The second amendment is the peoples defense against a government that turns tyrannical.

NDAA
Extra Judicial Murder of American Citizens Anywhere in the World.
Obama is not an elitist, he is a killer with a list.

149 Equal Rights January 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM

NEVER GIVE IN, yes I am the NRA and no I didn’t vote for the looser OBUMMA.

150 Stupid Should Hurt January 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Enjoying the debate about gun control?

Because each day spent focusing on that is a day we aren’t paying attention to the exploding debt, tepid recovery, high unemployment, farcical foreign policy, and the other items on this administration’s laundry seemingly endless list of failures.

Let’s him focus on the important things- like golf.

151 Concerned Citizen January 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Jeff #141, you say the government is “creating illegal laws, violating our rights, and doing so with impunity”. I assume you mean that you think Congress is passing unconstitutional laws. If that is the case, the Supreme Court will find them unconstitutional. That’s the way our system of checks and balances works. Don’t you believe in our Constitution?

152 Howard K. Millins III January 17, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Checks and Balances does not work when all three of the checkers are ignoring the Constitution.

Judges make up laws and legistlate from the bench, or refer to foriegn country’s for guidance to adjudicate American Laws.

There is no one in the legistlature that can live up to their oath of office, same with the executive branch.

Obama has a government within a government with all the carz who have not been elected but have supreme power over all their areas of authority.

The populace are in a trance and do only as their told.

The rich get richer, the powerful get more powerful and the rest of us suffer while paying for it all. Paying with freedom and taxes.

153 Jeff January 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Not when bills like obamacare go through with all the extras and no congressional oversight.

Frankly, i trust no man who would try and disarm me without due cause. Feinstein’s bill would essentially ban the majority of firearms out there from being manufactured. How is that not control?

People dont seem to understand that laws do not change those who are willing to abide by them, nor do they change the criminal who is going to ignore those same laws.

Yet the government’s action does not focus on the economy. Its in the sh*tter, but now we focus on “the kids” and spend more money we dont have. Change now clearly means government knows best – and that was what set this country apart from all others. We as a whole need to stop and address the behaviors and the reasons for these incidents rather than the guns . Address the real issues. The law abiding have rights that you shall not infringe upon. Innocent until proven guilty – my guns do not make me guilty. My home theater of aurora got shot up – am i to blame for that too?

Start listening – because when you give up one right, the rest will be taken as well. It is a matter of time.

154 Dr. Jellyfinger January 17, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Put nothing past Papa Doc Barrack.

155 Dianne Feinstein January 17, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Armed protection for the peasant children? hahhahaha!

156 ClayCord Dad January 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

@ PHANTOM, that’s interesting…what 1996 budget amendment was that?

157 ClayCord Dad January 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM

“The president’s proposals did include a $150 million request to Congress that would allow schools to hire 1,000 new police officers, counselors and psychologists.”

There were close to 93,000 public elementary and secondary schools in the US back in 2004, so for arguments sake let’s use that number for the above proposal. This would give around $1,600 to each of these schools. How is that going to help? Or if we look at it the other way, only 1,000 of the 93,000 schools will get any help. That’s just a hair over 1% of the schools.

This proposal is next to worthless and won’t fix anything.

158 cornfed January 17, 2013 at 10:18 PM

So public officials’ children should be off limits? Is that so? Well, maybe. As long as their last name isn’t Bush.I just have one question. Which is worse, using the President’s two living children in your political campaign to stop government overreach, or using 20 dead children in your political propaganda to increase it?

159 Laura Zah January 17, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I thought our schools should have had armed guards since 2001. Easy target for terrorism. I’m actually surprised it hasn’t happened yet. Remember what happened in Beslan Russia in 2004?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/23.htm

160 Anon January 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM

BUTTE, MONTANA

Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders…
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
two-story home.
It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father’s room and grabbed his
12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old’s knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0′Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news……..?

An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself……against two murderous, illegal immigrants…….and she wins,
She is still alive.

Now THAT is Gun Control!

Thought for the day….
Calling an illegal alien an
‘undocumented immigrant’
is like calling a drug dealer an
‘unlicensed pharmacist’

161 Anon January 17, 2013 at 11:45 PM

@Concerned Citizen #151

You are foolish if you believe the Supreme Court still acts as an impartial body. Clearly since the 2000 election it has shown itself to be party basis if not just simply a stooge for the executive.

162 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Anon 160,

Your story about the 11 year old girl shooting two intruders isn’t true. it never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

163 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Anon 161,

If you don’t like the Supreme Court’s decisions, then I suggest you work hard to get politicians who see things your way elected to the presidency and to the Senate.

I don’t agree with all of the Supreme Court’s decisions either. Some of the justices we have today are terrible. But I understand that the Constitution gives them the final say in interpreting the Constitution. I respect that because I believe in the Constitution. I believe in our form of government. And I don’t stop believing in it just because I don’t like some of the laws that are passed or court decisions that are made.

I would NEVER commit treason by taking up arms against my government. I am appalled at the idiots posting here who think it’s their right to have guns so they can overthrow the government if they don’t like what it’s doing. They should be ashamed of themselves for espousing such unAmerican, such treasonous behavior. This is the United States of America. We settle our political differences at the ballot box, not at the point of a gun.

164 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Concerned Citizen.

You can say what you want about us “wanting to overthrow the government”, but that’s not what was said.

What was said is that our system of checks and balances is being manipulated and ignored, and as such there are many of us who are concerned with Obama’s “end game” – it makes us weaker as a society and it does nothing to address the issues.

Someone has to put these clowns back in their place – They need to follow the rules just like everyone else.

This is not an “elitist” country, despite what Obama wants. We are not socialists. We are Americans, bound together in our differences by certain unalienable rights, including our right to self defense. This is a democracy.

Obama better remember that. That’s all I’m saying. Because while I am restrained and able to have positive discussions about the real issues, there are those that are not and WILL take it as a treasonous act. Bottom line is that you don’t use executive power unless you have a damned good reason, and the measures he has proposed do NOTHING to stop the criminal, only the law-abiding. We are innocent until proven guilty, and abiding by the laws does not make us guilty. Obama has circumvented the Constitution, the highest law of this land. How is the average American supposed to know what his true intent is?

165 @Jeff January 18, 2013 at 9:26 AM

If a President or Congress circumvents the Constitution there are processes that will correct it. History has proven it. Take a chill pill and relax let the process take it’s course. You are paranoid.

As for the others, I can picture them as old fat white guys with an AK15 in one hand and a six pack of Bud in the other in their Sportsmart camouflaged clothes gut hanging to their knees. A laminated copy of the Second Amendment in their shirt pocket. Probably didn’t graduate the 8th grade and drives a pre-smog 60′s pickup to make a statement about government controlling their rides. Not a real threat to anyone and will probably shoot each other it they get too excited. Push comes to shove we will put your ass down like any other terrorist in this country.

166 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Is it paranoid of me to understand fully that my rights are being trampled, due process is being ignored, and the biggest threat to our existence as a country is yet to be determined?

I PRAY that history will correct the course this administration is on, but I don’t expect it. I expect the worst, pray for the best, and prepare for anything.

You can call me paranoid, but never a terrorist. I’m a patriot, and I believe in the fundamentals necessary to maintain a FREE society.

167 Concerned Citizen January 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Jeff, we follow the Constitution in the United States of America. If someone thinks Congress has passed a law that is unconstitutional or the president is doing something that is unconstitutional or is circumventing the Constitution, then we settle it in the court system. If we want to “put those clowns back in their place”, we vote them out of office. We don’t take up arms against them. That is treason. Anyone who tries it will go to prison for a very long time.

You asked how the average American is supposed to know what Obama’s true intent is. You do it the same way you’d do it for any other politician. You read what he’s written. You listen to what he says. You look at his voting record. You examine the proposals he is pushing.

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168 Jeff January 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

And from everything he has shown me, Concerned, I am concerned – the fabric of this country is being ripped apart.

No one said I was going to “take up arms” against my government. I do consider their acts treasonous, and I hope that Congress will see it for what it is. But don’t misconstrue me either – I will go to great lengths to see them fail IN COURT, the way it SHOULD be done, before any drastic measures like you are talking about.

The last and final measure should be an uprising. No one wants it, no one expects it, no one hopes for it. But if I am looking at the entire realm of possibilities (unlike my democratic counterparts) I have to consider it a possibility as well.

Again, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. The truth usually lies somewhere in between.

But pal – no offense – don’t misconstrue my words. Our Government is acting in a manner that makes me concerned, but I’m not someone who will violate the law. I am simply calling a spade a spade. (and no racial reference there, simply a common phrase).

169 cornfed January 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM

@Confused Citizen re 163 and the punk who posted 165…

I always love when you sober, clear-thinking types jump in with your lofty pontifications. Your superior intellect is such that us gun-toting neanderthals could never view the world with such clarity and wisdom. Well, okay. Meanwhile, I’ll just remind the rest of the commoners that a President, or any other politician, who violates the Constitution, is not a “political difference”, it is a threat to our country. I’ll also remind Concerned Citiboy that we created this country at the “point of a gun” sir. And we’ll defend it in the same fashion if need be. And when it’s all said and done, you can go back to the ballot box and re-elect the Community Organizer in Chief. I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

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