The Water Cooler – The Baseball Hall of Fame & Steroid Users

January 9, 2013 · 57 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

Today, Barry Bonds was not elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Do you think steroid users should be allowed in the Baseball Hall of Fame, or do you think they should be kept out?

Talk about it….

1 Don't Censor Me Bro January 9, 2013 at 12:07 PM

If Pete Rose was kept out for gambling, certainly users like Bonds et al should also be banned!

2 ConcordRocks January 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM

show me a positive test Barry had!!!………..HATERZ GONNA HATE!!!!

3 Parsnip January 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Keep out. I was a Mark McGwire fan but he screwed the pooch too.

4 fr49ered January 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM

They’re cheaters. Keep them out. They don’t deserve the honor because they dishonored themselves and the game.

5 Wisecracker January 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I agree with “Don’t Censor Me Bro”
Keep them out.

6 AnonyMrs. January 9, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Why shoul they get rewarded for cheating?

7 Mr. John January 9, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Leaving someone out because they were caught using steroids is not necessarily fair – because the other candidates that were not caught may have used and not been caught or may not have used. We don’t know. And, quite frankly, a lot of players already in had unfair medical advantages over their competition. Unless we boot them, we can’t very well keep Bonds out and say we’re on the level.

In the end, Bonds was the most famous player of the day. He should be placed in with all the details about his career clearly stated. This is a Hall of Fame – not a Hall of Honor.

8 Anon777 January 9, 2013 at 12:27 PM

STRIKE OUT!

9 Truth Teller January 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM

To: Mr. Concord Rocks, Dear sir/madam – Barry Bonds admitted using the ‘Cream and the Clear’ which are PED’s. His excuse was that he didn’t know what they were. Saddest baseball issue regarding Bonds is that he could have retired prior to taking those drugs and he would have been in the Hall years ago based on what he has already accomplished.

10 Elwood January 9, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Bonds swelled up until he looked like the Michelin man and his head is as big as a watermelon, but there’s no proof he took steroids.

He should, however, be disqualified for being the biggest asshole in sports.

11 Anon January 9, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Keep em out…their records are “fake” as the muscles they had

12 Killjoy January 9, 2013 at 12:32 PM

@ ConcordRocks
Is that you Barry? You not only did the roids, you lied abou it to a Grand Jury.
You should consider yourself lucky that the only thing that happens to you, I’d NOT getting into the hall of fame. Hell, your buddy and personal trainer went to jail for you, by keeping his mouth shut. That speaks volumes.
Perhaps if they open a Hall of Shame, you can be the first inductee.

But Hall of Fame? No. They don’t deserve it.
In fact, I still think the last home run ball should have been launched into space.

13 dilligafman January 9, 2013 at 12:36 PM

they don’t deserve to be in the voting even!! they cheated -end of story!!!!!!!!!!

14 Larrabee January 9, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Those who get caught are suspended, and eventually reinstated. Bonds was never caught. The “evidence” is nothing more than allegation. He should be in the Hall. Pete Rose is another story; Rose was caught betting on baseball games. He should remain banned from participation, but should be in the Hall for what he accomplished during his playing days.

15 Mac January 9, 2013 at 12:37 PM

No one knows which players took them, and which players didn`t.
It`s a guessing game, with few true facts.

A huge number of players continue to take PED`s.
But are just good enough at it, to not get busted.

So you may end up voting a guy in, that you never knew took them, till after he is in.

Players have been taking things to make them play better since baseball began.
So don`t think these few guys you are talking about, are the only users out there.

16 B January 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

They deserve to be in! Lets not forget the other factors that went into the “Power” era of MLB. Tighter wound baseballs, smaller ballparks, watered down pitching talent due to there being too many teams.

Fact is the MLB turned a blind eye to steroid use because fans were finaly coming back to the game after the strike. McGwire and Sosa brought back tens of thosands of fans alone,,, which equals $$$$$… Why wouldn’t you use performance enhancers if you were “allowed to”???

17 Cowellian January 9, 2013 at 12:44 PM

No for Bonds. No for Rose. They both had talent, but they both cheated.

18 Brian Marchiano January 9, 2013 at 12:44 PM

The Baseball Writers’ Association of America delivered a clear and concise message to Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and the like.

19 Rick Vaughn January 9, 2013 at 12:46 PM

They did Steroids to me as a fan I don’t care. It was prominent in the era and made the game more fun as a fan to watch. If you remember the home run chase is what saved baseball after the strike. Both players involved were on steroids (Mcguire, Sosa). Yes in today’s era there has been a crackdown on steroids from Baseball, Football to MMA and theres a price to pay. But these players that are up for the hall played back then. We should take in consideration for what they did back in that era. Banned substances you can buy at a local GNC. Its ridiculous for the writers to exclude these two. Also Pete Rose should be in baseball and Stabler in Football Hall of Fame. Pete Rose as a player as he got caught gambling (which is dumb to get banned for life for) as a manager.

20 What Security January 9, 2013 at 1:03 PM

They got busted! just like Lance Armstrong The french have the right idea. Strip him of his titles. NO to the hall of fame

You cheat on a test you don’t get the A,
You cheat no prize. Period!
Hell don’t ban performance drugs then it would not be a problem.
The rules are the rules
You don’t get four strikes in baseball
Also, how pompous to think he should get in after cheating.

21 Truth January 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM

@Concord Rocks
Barry admitted to using both cream and “The Clear.” (he just didn’t know they were steroids — wink, wink)

22 Parsnip January 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM

@Killjoy #12 — “Hell, your buddy and personal trainer went to jail for you, by keeping his mouth shut.”

That’s the part I can’t get over. I’ll guessing Greg Anderson got a little commission for his … loyalty.

23 Truth January 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM
24 Einstein January 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I belong to a group that had a vote. We voted for Piazza. Personally, I did not vote for anyone associated with PEDs.

25 inmotion January 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Bonds and Clements will eventually get in the HOF, so don’t sweat it, however, the biggest injustice is keeping Pete Rose out.

26 vindex January 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM

No way. He’s out. Consequences my friends.. we should still have them.

27 a monument resident January 9, 2013 at 1:53 PM

What’s the point of sports if athletes are encouraged to cheat?

28 Real Baseball Fan January 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM

To those of you who say keep the steriod users out . .your idiots . . every era has an issue . . Ill give you a history lesson . . BB has had dead ball, gambling, segregation, massive ampehetamine use in the 60-70’s, massive cocaine use in the 80’s.and in the 90’s its players used steriods . .a non illegal not yet banned substance whose use was not only legal but heavy promoted by baseball and its owners who turned a blind eye Why? because its use and stars put thousand upon thousand butts in the seats. Remember “chicks dig the long ball” . .the home run race between Mcguire and Sosa . . Bonds chasing history . . enough said . . Bonds was a great player before steriods .why because he was a natural born athlete who had the eyesite of an eagle. . .Remember. EVERYONE was doing it . .if you didnt you worked at burger King the next season . .how is that cheating?

29 Rob January 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

As long as Pete Rose is banned simply because of placing a few bets – none of these steroid users should even be allowed to visit Cooperstown let alone be inducted into the Hall……

30 anonamiss January 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Being a true athlete means utilizing the gift you were given as an athlete. I understand the need to win, but this is cheating plain and simple. Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ty Cobb and the rest would be rolling in their graves. Those guys are heroes and sports legends. Barry Bonds and the like are just wanna be cheats….

31 Palermo January 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM

O-U-T!

32 Real Baseball Fan January 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Mayor . . Thanks for the censor job. . . .29 Anonomiss Willie Mays is alive and kicking . .im sure he wanted barry and the other in the HOF . . .please know what your talking about before posting.

33 JD January 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM

What records?!? In my opinion, those records should be stricken. They cheated. No HOF. No records.

34 anon January 9, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Was it against the rules at the time they played? If not then too bad let the records stand. If so, then strike them off the books.

35 Don't Censor Me Bro January 9, 2013 at 3:58 PM

@B#16 — as to your question, for the same reason I don’t cheat when I play golf against my competitive buddy…cheating is cheating is cheating…

36 Don't Censor Me Bro January 9, 2013 at 4:03 PM

@RBF# 28…

Well then it is a settled issue, since “Everyone” is doing it!!!

(Even tho we all know that not everyone is doing it) correct?

37 Mama P January 9, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Quick note: Bonds was pitched to by a juiced pitcher, caught by a juiced catcher, with juicers in the outfield…..After the “scandal” broke-he was not on steroids and could still hit better than anybody on the planet. His eye-hand coordination cannot be beat…before, during or after steroids. How’s about we just wipe the entire group out that played during the juiced period? Would that make everyone happy…there were a lot more juicers than Bonds, et al. The guy is an amazing athlete-juiced or not.

38 anonamiss January 9, 2013 at 4:39 PM

@ Real Baseball Fan,I know Willie Mays is still alive. I didn’t mean to insult the game your majesty. I was just saying that cheating is wrong, whatever context it may be in…..
If I were Willie Mays and found out someone got into the BB Hall of Fame using steroids, I’d be pissed. Why is it any different than a runner using steroids to compete in the Olympics or a Tennis Player?? Or is it just the elitism of certain sports and their fans.Before you get your feathers all a flutter, I mean no offense, this is just my opinion…….

39 SeeK January 9, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Cheaters should NOT be rewarded…period.

40 Cowellian January 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM

So, cheating is acceptable, as long as it’s Bonds, or Rose, or whoever your favorite cheater is? Nice.

41 Don-PH January 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Keep them out.

As far as Bonds goes, I’ll stay with his “I don’t sign for whites” comment in response to a fan request for an autograph.

42 ptpauly January 9, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Alll these steroid bums should never get into the hall of fame. They cheated. They may not have been caught. But physical evidence, just look at them and how fast they “blew up”. It is obvious. Never into the hall of fame.

43 I'm The Urban Spaceman January 9, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Bravo to the writers, what courage…now, can we retroactively remove the racists, an alleged murderer, wife-beaters & Cheaters, amphetemine popping, ball scuffing/spitballers, & corked batters, too?
What, you mean there be only a few players left in HOF?

I never once thought steroids was cheating, just stupid. Where were all the moralizers while they watched Sosa & McGwire in ’98 hit bomb after bomb? Where were they in 1988 when it was evident Canseco was juiced? I always thought it was reckless and may lead to a shortened lifespan, but never did I think it was cheating. Baseball has always embraced getting an edge(or gamesmanship) from scuffing a ball to taking greenies.
The best players of each generation should be enshrined and along with their exploits should be an explanation of the steroids era. The 1990’s happened, a history museum shouldn’t ignore that. (and while this is going on, players continue to try to circumvent the rules by using HGH and who knows what new designer drugs are out there.)
Bonds, Clemens, et al, they still had intense workout routines, they worked hard at their craft, albeit late in their careers with chemical enhancement.
I don”t think McGwire was a HOFer…too many crappy seasons to offset the great ones.

44 cheetabob January 9, 2013 at 5:27 PM

baseball sucks !!!!! football rocks !!!!!!

45 Parsnip January 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM

@#28 — And, as drug use intensified amongst school kids in the ’80s to present was when society started cracking down on those who were supposed to be their “role models” and emblematic of inspiration to help children grow into worthwhile adults.

46 ctown January 9, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Steroids saved the game of baseball. Not only was it ok to do steroids it was encouraged back in the day. Jose Canseco said that 80% of baseball players used steroids in the 80s, so that makes it a level playing field. You cant band an entire era of sports based on speculation, LET THEM IN.

47 John K January 9, 2013 at 6:17 PM

@I’m The Urban Spaceman So the players that didn’t spend thousands on illegal designer drugs should be penalized? I guess playing the game the right way and not “getting an edge” is their fault.

In fact I plan on sitting down with my kids tonight and teaching them that there is no such thing as cheating, only “getting an edge.”

48 SanDee January 9, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Elwood #10
You gave a great example of Bonds..He looked just as you said, the Michelin Man.
Some could argue that his head swelled up that big, to contain his extra large ego. LOL

49 Would you? January 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

As some one said, “it ain’t illegal if you don’t get caught.
You obviously embrace this idea.
If we could ask some of the players
who have experienced, Steroid rage,
Shrunken Testes, etc. We are only
partly aware of who did what to make
The Players perform better and it all
comes down to” MO MONEY”
Mostly the team owners. They smoked
during games in my days. Team owners
Had no concern about these players
Once they were”washed up ”
So my question to all who find this acceptable
Would you let your child use these drugs?

50 Hulk fan January 9, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Revisit history and recall Arnold v
Ferigno(?). Look at the Govenator
with out stage makeup and Lou Ferigno.
One did one did not , Lou is still in
Great shape the Fmr.Gov .
Not so much. And do people really
believe these drugs are any different
than Meth or coke,maybe the side
effects were prettier , but sustained
use through the course of an Athletic
Carrer are similar. A pre- mature
Physical collapse , don’t believe that,
then let young Timmy or Susy use
them. It will make them popular
with the Jocks at school any way.
Hell, they might get a scholarship
and you could use their Colledge
fund to get a new boat!

51 Roller Skate January 9, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Absolutely agree with you, Hulk Fan–sustained use of any drug will have a devastating effect on you as you get older–you become tired and drawn and look twice the age you actually are. This especially goes for steroids.

52 I'm The Urban Spaceman January 9, 2013 at 10:32 PM

JohnK,
I never said anything about penalties to players who didn’t use. ( e.g. I think Alan Trammel and Dale Murphy have been penalized, their exploits diminished by the steroid/juiced ball era stats). What I was saying, is the elite players of this generation deserve enshrinement. Put the steroid info on their plaques, so you can have a real talk with your children about the dangers of anabolic steroids and whether ‘getting an edge’ is cheating. Have you ever watched basketball? how about a soccer game? cheating…ahem getting an edge is occurring all over the court and field most of the game. Please spare me the moralizing…Athletes should not be looked upon as models of behavior(see Hall of Fame members), nor should parents encourage their worship. AS a responsible parent, you should be teaching your kids athletes are fallible human beings and are capable of making mistakes with a variety of ramifications.

Don’t kid yourself, players are still using and some are getting caught, some get off on a technicality…it’s still happening with HGH.

53 Puzzled January 10, 2013 at 12:16 AM

@Spaceman,
I played JV football in high school
at Gardena High, GO MOHICANS!
While training an assistant coach
offered me some tablets that he said
were like vitamins, they would give
me extra energy and pep. And help my
weight training . This was 1969 – 70.
We were no De La Salle, but for a few
Years there we were a triple A team.
I declined , so he tried a different tact
and said they were like uppers, bennies
he said. I knew what those were I could
get those on the school ground 10
Little bennies for a buck. I declined.
Never a speed freek. Well I went into
the service and never played Varsity.
But while in the service I learned that
He had been arrested for providing steroid
drugs to his players. Steroids were not
unknown at the time, and their effects were
known. Arnold was using then,
I had seen him work out in Venice
Beach, or Muscle Beach as that area
was known at the time . Saw Lou
there also . The point is these drugs
Effects were known then and now.
Some people will even gamble on
Their future health for Fame and Money.
So you can sugarcoat this pill as you
chose but it was cheating then and it is
cheating now. Also many people when
caught doing something wrong will
claim well every body’s doing it.
As my Father would say, ” if every body
jumped of a bridge would you do it too”
But definitely have that talk with your
Child or children when they are able
to really understand.

54 Apollo Idol Prudence January 10, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Urban spaceman delivers compelling argment.; i personally do go for too much baseball, but the discussio of the “sport”

which ped’s were “banned” and when? when were particular players cited for whichever rule breaking?

I do claim Melky Cabrerra initially let the 2012 Giants down, but this year’s team was more than resilient!

Spacman, please don’t throw “kids” in the argument, tho. It’s a too tired trick

So, after 1994 strike, Mlb turned a blind eye and did not discourage PED’s. Encouraged the 1998 home run season. I remember Ken Caminiti fell for the MLB way and died on greeines and roids, years after san diego housewives diddled about how great he was. Gone are the days of Tony gwynn and Rickey Henderson, as well, being on the same team!!! Jerks aall around in sports. barry bonds is a very large one. but what about lawrence taylor getting coked out and then on the field? what do you do?

why isn’t bocce in the olympics?

55 Mac January 10, 2013 at 7:24 AM

Willie Mays was no angel.
He took “Greenies” many times to be on top of his game.

56 Chevrolet girl January 10, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Any other job you would get fired for using drugs. He should not be in the Hall of Fame! Get caught, get out!

57 I'm The Urban Spaceman January 10, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Chevy Girl,

Don’t forget the real reason behind steroids…money. The players, the owners, the media, the local communities(to help pay for those publicly funded stadiums) all profited immensely from the effects/usage of steroids.
My personal opinion on this is the games happened. Steroids happened. There’s no way to tell, who used, when they started. Cheating is embedded in baseball.

on another topic…yes, bocce in the Olympics…it’s like curling, but in nice weather. Is alcohol considered a PED in bocce?

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