The “Homeless Bill of Rights” in California

January 8, 2013 12:07 pm · 184 comments

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California State Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) has proposed the “Homeless Bill of Rights”.

Ammiano said, “We need to stop criminalizing the behavior of people who have nowhere else to turn. People who are in need of mental health services or who have lost their jobs and their homes are being told, ‘Move along or go to jail.’ The Homeless Persons’ Bill of Rights begins to give us a framework for appropriate approaches to protecting our communities and those who are vulnerable.”

The Bill, according to the Sacramento Bee, would give “legal protection to people engaging in life-sustaining activities on public property. Among other activities, it specifically mentions sleeping, congregating, panhandling, urinating and “collecting and possessing goods for recyling, even if those goods contain alcoholic residue.”

Would you support a “Homeless Bill of Rights”?

If you’d like to comment on this bill, you can send a message to our local Assemblymember, Susan Bonilla, by clicking ON THIS LINK.

101 Pegasus January 8, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Connie –
I should have typed ‘Freewheelin’ Franklin’ – I’m sure a worldly gal like you would remember him.
My brain runs faster than my big fingers, oh well. I guess I’m Exhaustipated. (too tired to give a crap)

102 C-CatLady January 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Where are they supposed to go though? For people that say shelters, the Concord Homeless shelter has a waiting list to get in leaving most of them on the streets. Business don’t want them using their facilities, and they have nowhere to sleep but the streets. It’s easy to say “not in my neighborhood”… but that’s just passing the buck.

103 average man January 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

DoReMe ,
Intolerance , is more destructive, than
Ignorance . The cause of the problems
we now face results from the treat the symptoms
not the decease approach .
There are homeless people that are able to
Get back on their feet, others are not mentally
stable enough. We will not be able to
help everyone of them.
But we can’t throw the baby out with the
Bath water.
In my opinion he has succeeded
in getting us thinking.
It is still inhumane to treat people the
way we do . It really could be you someday.

104 Wisecracker January 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

It’s important to remember for many of these homeless, it is a “chosen” life style. Not all, but a vast majority. I am a compassionate person, however, I do find my level of compassion toward the homeless individuals with no teeth and the look of an obvious drug addict to be dimished.

I’m guessing there are very few people who post here on Claycord who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. By saying this, I mean we’ve all had struggles in our lives of different levels. I know I have, but I’ve always reminded myself you have to be willing and want to help yourself first. It’s difficult to continue to offer a sandwich to a homeless person holding a “will work for food” sign, when their body language clearly says that’s not what they are looking for.

105 Parsnip January 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Ammiano probably has plans to move some the kiddie parks to current encampments in the interests of non-homeless.

106 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Ooh, I like worldy. Makes me sound mysterious.
I’m more of a Crumb fan, but of course I know from FFFB, and I know the quote.
I was thinking it was the mountain retreat.

107 The Dude January 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

@ Average man . . . look you may be average but you dont speak for the majority . .you are a liberal who believes that a homeless drug addict (by choice) who collects cans should have everything I do (working 60hrs a week) . . well you sir are an idiot . . you are the reason this country is going to shit . . there are programs set up . .if they chose not to participate and die all the better . . signed . .Never see me cry over a suicide or a dead holmeless

N.J tehee

108 average man January 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

To Always right,
I don’t believe I mentioned Christianity,
But the fact still remains, we are not
Going to solve this problem by denying
these people’s humanity. This problem is
a social one. If ,as some have suggested,
we put them in jail for their ” crime”, who
Might be next, you for some reason,
Martinezdad, or me. Drug addicts,winos
Bums have been around forever.
Being a heartless hardass is a bigger
Problem to me than homelessness .
I think the latter is easier to remedy.
It still comes down to selfish greed,
I was taught to share as a child.

109 What Securiy January 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Look a Veteran who was drafted into Vietnam, or served in Iraq and tell them this bull. I know many Veterans who are homeless.

What would Jesus do?

110 vigilante#1 January 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Its not OK to be a dreg of society. Its not OK to be a drug addict. Its not OK to be living on the streets because you are a drug addict. These people will do what ever it takes to get drugs. This means come into your neighborhood and piss on your front porch before they break in and rip you off.
They live at the end of your court in a field. The field next to the basketball hoop that your children enjoy. You know the red tent with all of the littler surrounding it. F those bums. They are too close to my home. Almost within sight…

111 Forgetbonilla January 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM

No point in protesting to Bonilla .She was right there when Aminano wanted to grant sanctuary to illiegals who were less then major criminals. She is enamored with far left politics.

112 What Security January 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

A Contra Costa County homelessness prevention organization will be awarded $700,000 for targeted assistance to homeless and at-risk veteran families, according to a Wednesday press release.

The money will be used by Shelter Inc, based in Martinez, to provide outreach, case management and assistance in applying for VA and general benefits. Part of the money will also be used in assisting veterans and their families with rent and deposit payments.

The award is a portion of nearly $60 million granted to 85 non-profit agencies that aim to assist veteran families nationwide. The national grant will serve 22,000 veteran families, according to a VA press release.

Out of Contra Costa County’s 467 homeless veterans, 88 were in Concord in 2010, according to information provided by Shelter, Inc’s director of development, Cynthia Dial.

“This likely undercounts given that there are individuals whose data are not in the [county-wide self-report],” said Dial.

*The report and information Dial referred to are: the county-wide self report, titled, Homeless Management Information System and the Veteran Supplement to the 2009 Annual Homeless Assessment Report to Congress.
Related Topics: Grant, Homeless, Veterans, and Veterans Affairs
. Do you know a vet who has benefited or could benefit from grants and organizations such as Shelter, Inc.

113 anonamiss January 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

NO!!! While I have sympathy for many of the homeless, I do not condone them to panhandle/ aka harass, urinate and defecate, and loiter so people will feel threatened or uncomfortable to go into a business establishment. Also business’s will suffer from this bill. Where is the money to clean up after they destroy a storefront or pollute/trash an area they have deemed their home? Check the amount of litter and damage one woman has caused by hanging out at CVS and the creek. It’s a joke. Absolutely NOT!!

114 Atticus Thraxx January 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Nothing like coming home from a long day and see yet another group of people getting special legislation and consideration as my taxes climb higher and higher, while fending off predatory banks, and my company is reconsidering it’s expansion into California. Well you idiots voted for these people. Repeatedly. What have you got to say for yourselves now? Yeah that’s what I thought.

115 Pegasus January 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Mysterious Connie –
I’m up here now, I think the altitude affects my brain. A wonderfully lightheaded airy feeling where reality is whimsical.

116 Randome Task January 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

where else do you think the dems get their votes illegals bums and dead people …..no one else would vote for them because they want to run your lives

117 Average man January 8, 2013 at 5:08 PM

@The Dude,
Wow, name calling again. The real dude
abides, you are just another wannabe tough
guy . I don’t lean left or right, am not a religious
Nut.
But you make my point for me , be careful
“Dude” you could be next.
I learned one lesson in my sixty years ,
What goes around comes around.
I’ve never seen it fail.

118 Forget Bonilla January 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Bonilla is a tight buddy of . No point in contacting her. She was all for Ammianos bill to grant amnesty to illegals who commit felonies.And another thing about Bonilla- she thinks it’s neat that 25 % of Conta Costa CHP is assigned to cover the Oakland CHP area while the entire Oakland CHP works in the city of Oakland. Us local folks are giving up CHP Officers and she could care less. And she needs to loose some weight.

119 a January 8, 2013 at 5:17 PM

I support this. It would allow me to pitch a tent wherever I want! Camping in the park for all, for free! Wee!

120 Always Right January 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I don’t care if the street addict is a veteran or not. As I stated earlier, Enabling that behavior is NOT Christian. Giving them money for their addiction is a false compassion, and enabling them to legally live in that condition is contemptible. They need to go to jail and/or mandatory detox and rehab.

121 DoReMi January 8, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Average Man: I asked you to come up with a better idea, not misrepresent my attitude. In fact, My attitude is better than yours. I say, F the ACLU. These people need help. Not freedrom to pee and shit in the parks.

The fact is, liberals do not have a better idea. Because. It involves forcing them to stablize (get off the dope) in order to be catagorized. And. As mentioned above by some observant folks (who no doubt have actually talked to the homeless-my h did, for many years)…Most of them LIKE their life. As in prefer. Most addicts cannot tolerate freedom. Straight, that is.

122 Anon January 8, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Tom Ammiano you are an idiot! Then again what else would comes from SF…

123 Average man January 8, 2013 at 7:03 PM

To DoReMi,
I said nothing about the A.C.L.U., or any
any other organized group other than OUR
Goverment. Deflecting from the issue of human dignity
Regardless of the persons condition is
Just making you feel more correct.
We sat back as a society and let this happen.
I do not condone the or pardon their behavior
And drug abuse is rampant. From Acohol
to prescription drugs from our own medicine
cabinets to ” designer drugs” .
And as a society (civilized ) we must agree
To use our tax dollars to tackle this problem.
It is not going to be easy when so
many “I got mine,screw you” mind sets
Exist. Look , our Elected leaders are all
tools of the , as Hunter Thompson,
Referred to them” Greed Heads”.
The approach to the Homeless problem
has been as effective as our education
system and the war on drugs.
Maybe it’s time to stop all this left ,
right crap and wake up. Red states,
blue states crips bloods norteno
sorreno. My solution is simple,
Wake up, the root is our unwillingness
To take away these people’s power.
Republican or Democrats our Elected
representatives are criminals, and the
Homeless are one of the by products
Of a failed system, and it’s our fault !

124 Anon January 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Work camps, 40 hrs labor gets you food shelter and limited medical.

Don’t all of California’s levies repair?

125 @ below average man January 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

New name same long winded diatribes.

126 Average man January 8, 2013 at 7:40 PM

@DoReMi, I have for to many years
now , had the opportunity to speak
with many different homeless persons.
Drug addiction is not exclusive to the homeless
population.have you ever heard the term
” functioning addict”.
I do agree some chose the ” homeless”
life style. Anthropologists and Sociologists
Agree that these people chose to stay
away from society , They are
generally harmless.
In my struggle out of homelessness
In the late seventies I learned that the crazier
You acted the less likely you were to
be victimized by other homeless predators.
Predators by the way are every where,and as
most predators are hard to spot we tend to fixate
On the obvious ones.
When a person looses hope in theirselves,
destructive behavior directed to them selves
Or others is the result. The guy walked in and
Stole the tip jar, no one said anything or
acted to stop this person! We are not
Going to see this get better until we can
look at ourselves and say why did I not act.
Last time I checked liberals are the majority in
California.

127 Or They Could Balance A Budget January 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Chemical dependence alcohol or drugs is a slow form of suicide, for a graphic demonstration search out the sites that post before and after pictures of meth users. Another component of homeless are mentally impaired or some might say challenged, ask Concord PD about mental illness among homeless. There are many among homeless that refuse help. In my opinion Ammiano is either completely naive or an incredibly feckless opportunist looking to sensationalize an issue to get some free face time on TV.
This is an example of what happens when legislators have far too much time on their hands. Texas a much larger state has a part time legislature and it works well for them. Remember not too many years ago up in Sacramento many were caught playing solitaire during legislative sessions.

128 Average man January 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM

@DoReMi, I have for to many years
now , had the opportunity to speak
with many different homeless persons.
Drug addiction is not exclusive to the homeless
population.have you ever heard the term
” functioning addict”.
I do agree some chose the ” homeless”
life style. Anthropologists and Sociologists
Agree that these people chose to stay
away from society , They are
generally harmless.
In my struggle out of homelessness
In the late seventies I learned that the crazier
You acted the less likely you were to
be victimized by other homeless predators.
Predators by the way are every where,and as
most predators are hard to spot we tend to fixate
On the obvious ones.
When a person looses hope in theirselves,
destructive behavior directed to them selves
Or others is the result. The guy walked in and
Stole the tip jar, no one said anything or
acted to stop this person! We are not
Going to see this get better until we can
look at ourselves and say why did I not act.
Last time I checked liberals are the majority in
California.

129 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Sorry, no bill of rights for the homeless. Get off drugs, take your meds and find a job. Do you think all the working folk love going to work at least 5 days a week? Not all of us! Live right and things will go better.

130 @ 125 January 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

If you too you ADDHD meds you might be able to concentrate long enough to read them.

131 Anon January 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Can you imagine him strumming a banjo while he re reads it.

Next, the lyrics to “turkey in the straw.”

132 Average man January 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Labor camps, who came up with
that one, Oh wait it was that liberal,
F.D.R.. Only it was called the Works
Progress Administration unless I
am wrong it got our grandparent s
and the country out of the depression.
And created a world class infrastructure .
And gave basic human dignity back
to many of our Grand Parents.
Damn liberals. How quickly we forget.
We must stop funding corrupt wars,
Stop holding up Despotic Regimes,
Stop borrowing from foreign Governments
( China) buy selling bonds, and start
the focus on us, the people of this country.
We have no Steel industry because the greedy
Capitalist ‘s did not care enough
about this country to spend the
money to produce it cleanly, that is just
a historic fact. So it’s made in china,
where they, as we did, are willing to sacrifice
their Citizens health and welfare for
PROFIT!

133 Average man January 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

To below average man:
These issues cannot be solved
with a sound bite. Or by pushing it aside.
You have the right as I do to read or not
to read anything in this arena. But the points
I make are valid, witness out current
situation. There are people with short attention
spans . I suggest they get a copy of
” Being Human for Dummies”
I have served this Country in the U.S.
Army, R. A. For those who know,I
Enlisted, was not drafted.. This is my
Country as it yours, Long winded, maybe so
but as with many people some are slower on
The uptake than others.

134 Always Right January 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

@ average man – you said: “In my struggle out of homelessness In the late seventies…”

Wouldn’t your “struggle out of homelessness” have ended quicker if the police picked your sorry soul up and took you to a local jail detox facility, where you were forced to stay AGAINST YOUR WILL for a couple of weeks – until you were clean?

135 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Peg: I remember the Furry Freak Bros. and Freewheelin’ Frank. Their saying was :” Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope” Of course, we were just talking about pot and were all going to work and paying taxes. There were very few people on the streets then. In S.F., South of Market was the place you’d see them. In New York, it was the Bowery. Now they’re everywhere. I believe we should have places for these people to get Detoxed and Psychological help. The worst of them won’t take help. So, we should keep them in locked facilities where they are not mistreated. It would be cheaper in the long run. I know this is not going to happen. We couldn’t possibly infringe on their rights but it’s nuts here now. Believe me, it was much nicer in the late sixties when I came here.

136 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I’m a moderate Democrat and I think Ammiano’s thinking is nuts.

137 AnonyMrs. January 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Just because the homeless are homeless, that doesn’t mean they have to be pigs. Be homeless, fine. But quit throwing trash everywhere and pissing on the sides of buildings. Maybe part of their “bill of rights” should include etiquette classes…

138 Average man January 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

@Anon, I have had the occasion to
read some of your posts, you would be well advised
to re-read some of your posts .
Or at least think a little more
before hitting the send key.
But after all, it is a Free country, and I
Would be strumming the banjo and singing
“This land is our land” by Pete Segar,
But as the song by R.A.M. relates,
“Learn to swim ” and with that
I will say, until we blog again.

139 Average man January 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

To Always Right:
First I want to commend you for trying,
I have never struggled with drugs or Alcohol,
I was let go when the auto shop
I worked closed. Being a young man I had
Gone through my money and before I
Got back on my feet I was homeless.
I don’t blame society for that. I spent those few
months in San Francisco where the police left
Us alone unless we caused problems.
It was a tuff economy then. But
I surmise you were not born yet. Not
all of us are as wise you must be to immediately
assume my situation was addiction
related. I have self control, many do not,
It is not easy then or now even with
Skills such as I have. I am not angry, just
disappointed at how easily you can push
aside your compassion for your fellow
Man.
And I have patience, I know things will
Get better. It was written somewhere
” Judge not, lest you be judged thy self”
I despair for such as you, minds like yours
forstall Human progress.

140 J. Lilly January 8, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Send a bill to the families of the homeless for abandoning them in the first place. If you’re not going to care for your family members, you should pay. How many blowhards on this thread have mentally ill relatives they ignore and banish to the streets without even knowing it?

The bill is about freeing up law enforcement resources to pursue real crime. Some of you geniuses should grab a calculator to find out how much it costs to arrest and jail a homeless person for urinating in public.

141 Safety Second January 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Common denominator….democrat politicians at work destroying what was once a wonderful state…..liberalism CLEARY is a mental disorder

142 Guess January 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Dear AnonyMrs, I know people who own
Their home that are worse. Or at least as bad.
Come on you can do better than
That!

143 Average man January 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM

What was I thinking, it was Tool not
Rage against the machine that
advised us to “Learn to Swim” ,
C Ya down in Arizona Bay fans

144 @Ammiano January 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Ammiano is an ass. enough said!

145 Roving "Force You Into Detox" Squad ASSEMBLE! January 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Some of you are seriously talking about having cops roam the streets looking to corral human beings in a van in order to haul them to jail or even more twisted: mandatory detox? For being homeless? Some of you have a serious hard-on for fascism. I bet you wouldn’t even blink an eye if they hauled your neighbors away to mandatory reprogramming for the offense of having just slightly annoyed you.

I’ve dealt with homeless and addicts enough to know that this separate bill of rights is ridiculous. Most addicts never fully recover and a lot of homeless are stuck in their life style. BUT they are still human beings. Their life decisions are not yours to make for them. Society does not owe anyone a solution to their issue of being uncomfortable having to share Concord, let alone anywhere on earth, with these people.

146 Average man January 8, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Wow, I just can’t believe some of this
Stuff. Our great leader Ronald Reagan
put thousands of Mentally Ill
People out in the streets to “lower taxes”
He deregulated the Savings and loan
Institutions so his buddies, Keating
and crew could plunder it with junk bonds,
He opened the door for Social Security
Funds to be stolen while telling us he was
Protecting it for our grand children . You just can’t
Be that ignorant. As I said before,
Democrat, Republican , a crook is a crook.
Good old Bill Clinton, The Glass spieigel
deal, the Usery laws that controlled
interest rates,
The people who engineered this have us
at each others throat while they continue to accumulate
obscene amounts of money.
And like a greedy child they don’t want to
share or even give us a chance to earn
It. The economy is suffering because
The one percent who control that money are
Not putting back into our economy.
His Billions did not do any good for
Saint Jobs in the end.
Carnegie realized this and gave back
To the country that provided his wealth.
Silly comparisons don’t make you right.

147 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 11:40 PM

We used to have places for such people. Bad ones, indeed. I think we can do better and, of course, it will cost us.

148 Average man January 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM

@145:
I refrained from using the term Fascism
since most people do not know understand
Its definition. And to many seem willing
to embrace it if it is financially or socially
Benificial to their ends.
I wanted to say that the cost of living
In a free society is taking as much care
Of those who cannot or will not care
for themselves. The children, the infirm
For whatever reason etc.
this is what makes us Human Beings.
I have unshakeable faith in Human spirit
although reading these cold and calous
postings wiggles it a bit.
David Berne wrote ” I have the compassion
but I don’t have the time” ( Talking Heads
Reference)
Well time is running out for us if we cannot
get together on what it is to be American,
or what it means to be Human.
In short I agree with 145!

149 old concord January 9, 2013 at 12:59 AM

It is sad the way we treat people. My dog has more rights then we are giveing people. I think all of us should expect these minimal rights to be given to us. Praise God I am not homeless tonight and comfort those who are. If we can spend our money on our own people and not on some expensive war I’m in. Don’t start I’m an independent voter and a veteran I would want this for anyone even you, should illness or whatever befall you.Thanks for listening.=)

150 Claude Rains January 9, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I love spotting the Unintended Consequences of some efforts. When I was younger, I took a trip to Texas with a friend of mine. He drove, and pulled off during the trip to pick up a sixpack of beer along the way at the Drive-Thru Liquor Emporium. As we hit the highway, he casually cracked a can and handed me one. He saw the look on my face, and explained that things were different in Texas. It was against the law to drink and drive, but it was perfectly legal to have empty cans on the floor of the backseat, as long as they were “crushed.” You could not have an open can of beer with beer *in* it, but you could have empties as long as they were crunched up in some way, and were not in the front with the driver, but in the backseat area or the bed of the pickup. He advised that if we were pulled over by the law, to just finish the beer off quickly and discreetly, and toss the empty over the seat into the rear, making sure I put a quick kung-fu grip on the can before letting go. The cop might have us walk lines heel-to-toe and other tests, but a few crushed cans in the back was strangely not to be used as evidence of recent consumption. In effect, no open container law. Texas, Land of Whacky Blue Laws. According to him, it was ok as long as we didn’t drive through a dry county. They might be a little sticky there.

So, when I read that part about not having empty beer cans being used against you, even if they contain residue of alcohol, I thought of Texas. I can see the next campaign ads. A low, sinister voice intones, “Is Tom Ammiano secretly in league with Texas Millionaire Brewers?” Ghods, that would be fun, I have to admit. But seriously, you can be homeless and have a car. As long as you have all the necessary fees, licenses and insurance paid up, you’re not breaking the law. So, to sum up, this seems to be repealing the open container laws. Or did we already repeal that in California?

Not all of you, but, some of you need to go back and read some Dickens, Jack London, or something, your comments seem to be advocating the spending of many millions to round ‘em up and “concentrate” them, on some expensive chunk of real estate somewhere, and force them to work for food and shelter, which is a novel solution that I don’t recall ever being tried before…has it? Maybe we could open “work-houses” or “poor-houses?” I think it is being done in some states, though. Those with mental problems make up a large percentage of the prison population, and recently I was reading that bill collectors are getting courts to issue arrest warrants for “deadbeat” creditors, so they can be jailed for not paying their bills. With “For-Profit” prisons the current vogue, it looks like we’ll soon have things just the way you want them to be. Google “Prison-Industrial Complex” for more on that subject. Personally, I’d rather see better mental health treatment, job training and a new WPA to get some of the infrastructure repaired and replaced. I’d like to see maybe two less carrier battle groups, and more projects like the new fourth bore of the Caldicott Tunnel. The Chinese are building high-speed rail like crazy and have started to build new thorium nuclear reactors for power as well as taking over the wind and solar power business. But, we can’t do that here, because…Socialism? ah, well…let’s just have another beer, I guess. Be sure to crush your empties when you toss ‘em over the seat!

151 Anotherme January 9, 2013 at 1:11 AM

There are two huge mostly empty housing developments abandoned by the Navy over by Pixieland (pixieplayland). There are literally tumbleweeds rolling down the streets there and jackrabbits, etc. it’s like a ghost town. Why not create some low income housing there?

Back on topic, although urinating in public is a terrible idea, access to bathrooms is a problem for homeless. Sometimes it’s a problem for any of us. Establishments with restrooms should allow people to use them when needed, and the old “out of order” excuse doesn’t fly most of the time.

By law, establishments with restrooms have to allow access to pregnant women… They are not the only ones who have emergencies.

152 Cruella January 9, 2013 at 5:57 AM

Completely agree with Anonnnnn @ 15.

153 AnonyMrs. January 9, 2013 at 6:05 AM

@guess,
Very true. I too have seen people with homes be absolute pigs as well.

154 DoReMi January 9, 2013 at 7:52 AM

@ #151 Thank you Anotherme.

I agree completely that we have the facilities to house the homeless in abandonned government buildings. Plus, they could be taught to farm fresh veggies and participate in the daily care and upkeep of the facilities. This would give them dignity. It woulld also separate the truely helpable from the doper dullards that are ruining our attempts to help.

This idea could also be used to help outgoing prisoners to find a new life.

155 DoReMi January 9, 2013 at 7:56 AM

@ #151 Anotherme. Thankyou I completely agree.

The empty govenment buildings could be used to house the homeless. They could farm and participate in the daily upkeep. This would in turn offere up a dignity in them caring for themselves. This would also separate the dopers and crazies from the pack so this group could be delt with humanly.

This idea would also work for prisoners released from jail. Those willing to participate would find an avenue to integrate into society.

156 AnonyMrs. January 9, 2013 at 7:58 AM

@ Claude Rains,
What the hell are you talking about??

157 Parsnip January 9, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Why do I believe Ammiano lives in a gated community?

158 The Professor January 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM

This could be a wonderful thing for the City of San Francisco to adopt. Just imagine how magnetic it would be for all of the panhandling drunks in Claycord. “Free stuff! I can drink booze in public because it’s really my recycling! I can take a squat on the steps of City Hall!”

Maybe Ammiano could even give himself a well-deserved 12% raise for all of his good efforts.

159 Ricardoh January 9, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Anyone pushing a cart should be put in a large public isolated park with alleys and doorways. These people have dropped out so treat them that way. Don’t forget to lock the gate.

160 Average man January 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Over the course of these 150 or
so posts I see a change in tone is
happening. The resources already
Exist , we as Americans are the
owners if you will of all of our
natural and structural resources.
As Citizens it is our duty to see
That these resources are used wisely
for OUR benefit and not the benefit
Of Big buisness or Government.
Helping the less fortunate is part of the
Machine of Society. And like any
Machine if you neglect one part it
stops altogether .
I told you these people would get us to
thinking and sure enough they did.
I also said it could create jobs.
It can! Would you feel good if you
helped someone get back up after a fall?
We won’t succeed with all these folks
that’s just a fact of life.
But not caring and vilifying them
For their condition is inhumane.
There is hope if we just force our
Elected officials to act in the service
of their Constituents and not Special
or private interests .

161 jtkatec January 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Parsnip (157), that is the point I made in my email to Bonilla.

This kind of legislation does not effect those that live in Blackhawk or Danville, it effects lower and middle class neighborhoods. That’s where the homeless hang out. Not on Nob Hill but in Concord.

162 What Security January 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM

The homeless tried to use vacate gov’t buildings but what did we do.
We kicked them out. Just like their families did kicked them out.
They fake medical calls to get off the cold streets. They get kicked out
Look at the vacant schools in concord.
Turn them into a homeless center, Nope not in my neighborhood.
We treat our Vets like crap.

163 What Security January 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Besides blogging & overusing are pie holes, what are we going to do about?
Nothing. Just like congress. LOL

164 Average man January 9, 2013 at 11:33 AM

As much as we must keep
Religion out of Government, it is not
working with a large percentage
Of the homeless.
Many are forced to sit , sometimes for
hours, through sermons and well
Intentioned “preaching”.
I am not running down Religion,
only their technique .
Most of these people are cold, hungry,
Intoxicated or detoxing. Not a very
receptive audience .
In that condition they need food, clothing,
and a warm safe place to recuperate.
Then healing and whatever treatment
that’s needed can begin. Those that
accept and realize people do care,
not all will, they might be ready for
“Gods Message”.
And it takes time, these persons are
not going to get over their problems
over night. Have them contribute
in a proactive way that gives them
back some Dignity. Manual labor that
produces a tangible result works wonders
for the soul, as well as changing the
Community .
These ideas are not my own, nor are
they new. Just forgotten while we
strived to get ahead. No one gets ahead
if we all don’t get ahead.
Regardless of your faith, or philosophy ,
Material gain is worthless if attaining
It creates a class of people willing or for
whatever misguided reason want to take it
From you or destroy it.
Putting these persons in jail only
Increases their anger at ” Society”
” tough love” , how’s that worked out
for us.
People that are treated like Animals
Respond like Animals.

165 RanchgirlCA January 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Not a chance. There is a difference between the vagrants you see around town and someone who hit a rough patch and finds themselves ‘homeless’. Some of the folks out on our streets are dangerous. Maybe the politicians should speak to local law enforcement. That could be an eye opening experience.

166 The Professor January 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM

I Googled “Concord California Homeless Services” and this site was the first to pop up.

http://www.homelessshelterdirectory.org/cgi-bin/id/city.cgi?city=Concord&state=CA

I’m certain that this list does not represent all of the assistance available to those who want it.

167 Average man January 9, 2013 at 12:12 PM

So, we take the most successful
of these people and train them to be
Mentors to others. The best lessons are
learned from those that have been
there.
Show them there is a way out of the despair
They have felt perhaps their whole
Lives.
Take the Lemons of society and make
Lemonade. And it takes a little sugar
To make lemonade, not salt.
And then take these ” Government
Building” and as these people are able ,
charge a manageable rent fee.
Nothing like a little pride of ” ownership”
to motivate most people to take care
Of themselves, their property and respect
The people around them and their
Property and rights.
Not complicated, just takes the effort.
Again , it won’t work for everyone,
But that should not mean we give up
on them, as some feel we have.

168 Average man January 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM

@ Ranchgirl,
Is the fact that there are dangerous
People out there new to you?
Seriously, I am not mocking you.
There have been dangerous and
Deadly people since the dawn of
Mankind, and they have not gotten
us all , yet.
I still say the most dangerous people
are the ones that continue to
send our young men and women into
senseless wars. Entangle us in
Unproductive Foreign affairs, and send
jobs out of the country to boost their bottom
lines and keep the “stock holders”
Happy.
We have dealt with these ” criminals”
through the centuries as best we could,
but these people will still be with us to
the end.
Fear will result in two reactions,
Fight or flight. Mostly we have fled
from these fears. And that has not worked.
Fight, should result in a proactive
Response to the cause of that fear.
A constructive response .
Martial arts teaches that a calm
response to danger or fear is more
successful than a panicked one.
And it saves more lives, theirs as
well as your own.
We truly do have have nothing to
fear , but fear itself. FDR.
So channel that fear where it will
do the most good, Sacremento,
Washington D.C. , and as many
corporate board rooms you can!
And it all could start at your own
front door.

169 M.Python January 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM

“No one expects the Spanish
Inquesition . One of our weapons is fear,
fear and surprise. Two , two of our
weapons are fear and surprise and
a mindless devotion to the Pope.
No, that’s three, among are many
Weapons is fear, and surprise and…

170 kiarfy January 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM

@M.Python
I can finish that for you…..Stupidity.

171 Don't Censor Me Bro January 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

― Benjamin Franklin

172 Concord1963 January 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Human waste = deadly diseases. Maybe a visit to a third world country is called for.

173 Average man January 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM

@171
Ben Frankli, really. Close examination
of his life shows him to be no more
Morally centered then Bill Clinton.
Rhetoric aside , he cared no more
for the poor than other leaders of that
time.
The Constitotion and Bill of Rights
are almost perfect, in concept,
but was used as a carrot on a stick.
The vast majority of the population of the
were illiterate .
It wasn’t until Lincoln that any one in power
forced that promiss, and even then it was
power and profit driven, see Carpet Bagger.
Try Thomas Paine.
@ Kiarfy, yes, I knew someone
is listening (reading) ; )

174 Average man January 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

What we need is “The holy hand
grenade of Antioch”!

175 Slugga January 9, 2013 at 3:45 PM

We should incarcerate the homeless and spend $50,000 a year taking care of them, as we do with other inmates.

176 Anon January 9, 2013 at 6:31 PM

And we’ve lost interest.

177 Dennis January 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM

@Average Man
“Labor camps, who came up with that one, Oh wait it was that liberal, F.D.R.. Only it was called the Works Progress Administration unless I am wrong it got our grandparent s and the country out of the depression. And created a world class infrastructure . And gave basic human dignity back to many of our Grand Parents.”

No, it wasn’t FDR that got us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s; it was WW2. Factories built and the “other half” of America (women) joined the labor force (private enterprise). At the end of WW2, the men came home, the women didn’t want to give up their jobs, and so the available labor pool was double what it was prior to the war. This would suggest that unemployment would be more than half the population, but private industry. and commerce in general, had more than doubled the need for workers.

It was not the government dole that ended the recession and returned this country to prosperity, it was an extremely successful – and growing – private sector economy, which in a few years expanded so much that it provided more than twice as many jobs.

178 Average man January 9, 2013 at 9:13 PM

In part that is true , it took a massive
Effort of labor and “private sector”
Industry to allow us to emerge victorious.
But the depression preceded WW2,
by quite a few years.
There was a lesson well learned
By a Ford Motor Company Executive
named Robert Mc Nammara.
And he started what became the ready for it
“The Military Industrial Complex”.
And we have gone into a state of almost
constant war since, in 1959 he could hardly
hold himself back by pushing us into
What was then French Indo China to
” help the French put down an indigenous
rebellion and hold on to their Colony”
Remember we had already Drew in Korea.
So they needed a more long term
cash machine that Killed a record
number of our young men and women.
Called Vietnam , two were from my
High School, though older I new them
As Brothers of two of my friends.
Don’t forget my friend, as I said I
Enlisted in 1970 . Just curious ,
Had you been born yet. I love my
Country and have a flag that has flown
since we got into what became another
Debacle.What is it now ten eleven
years.But I won’t deny how we have all
been fooled. But I diverge. Another up and
Comer was Dick Chaney.there were
Many more .
The only lasting lesson learned by
Private Sector Industry was how
Filthy rich they could get playing
War with other people’s Children.
and our hard earned tax dollars.
And the multitude of companies,
Raytheon , A.M.G is mind boggling.
You will deny this most likely.
But when a few Heroes stood up to
This machine they took what they could
get from wherever they could get it including
Selling us down the river selling bond s
to the Chinese and some others.
I am referring to Dubya’ s wars in Iraq
and Afganistan.
The only people that gained from this
were, are the stockholders of these Corporation
that are not privately held.
There is no need for these shareholders
To be concerned because as we wind things
Up in Afganistan and Iraq we have
Iran and North Korea in the wings.
And just in passing have you noticed
the reporting of the horrible numbers
of our troops suicide rates has stopped.
The short little posts on this site are sometimes
funny, mostly sad for their ignorance.
I have talked to some of
the Vets at the VA hospital in Martinez,
These guys served multiple tours,
Most because they had to, not all.
One told me he thought about suicide
When he was informed he would be
sent to Afganistan after leaving Itaq.
My real point here is Private Industry
Corporations are NOT THE CURE!
These war Companies are the Desease!
Some years back people with a conscience
forced investment accts to stop
Doing buisness with South Africa.
These Corperations are not my heroes,
But alas, another long winded post
From that guy again , well those who feel
I am a ” crack pot” as I was referred to by someone here
Can skip it , but I am glad for at least a few
Intelligent postings here and I include mine
in that group as I do yours.

179 Average man January 9, 2013 at 9:42 PM

@Dennis,
Sorry forgot to add that header.
I wanted to add though, Every
Mother, Daughter, every Women
Helped in that War effort. How sad
It took so long to acknowledge them
what a shame.
As it has been said ” All gave some , some gave all”
It was there Children sacrificed to preserve
our Freedom.
But it is also true the Corporations
could pay these Women half what a Man
earned for the same work. This caused
Wages to go down even further because
of an excess of labor.
But to the rescue came the Banks.
and “credit” this at a time when
most people just started to use Checks
Although by today’s standard the Interest rates
seemed low,the way they were calculated was predatory, it was called I believe
Add on rates. Any way just another example
of how Wall Street treats its consumers.

180 Dennis January 10, 2013 at 6:52 PM

beds, booze, food (stamps), welfare, toilets, etc are not “rights”, they are entitlements/gifts from government. When government guarantees them, they they are merely guaranteeing the government will create an administrative body, and new taxes, to provide those gifts.

surely Tom Ammiano knows that the legislature does not have the authority/power to create, modify, or eliminate a “right” via statute/law. A “right” that is created by statute/law can also be repealed by statute/law, and thus is not a “right” at all.

Rights are created, modified, or repealed, at the Constitutional level, via the Amendment process.

Perhaps Tom Ammiano should pass that bit of acrcania on to Ms. Pelosi and Ms. Deinstein, and King Barak, who apparently slept through that day in their Constitutional Law classes.

And maybe Mr. Ammiano should review “prior restraint” attacks on our 1st Amendment Rights, which resulted in us having to tolerate speeches by the KKK and Nazi dinosaurs. Prior Restraint is abhorrent to a free people, and that opinion is shared by SCOTUS.

Hint to Tom Ammiano: prior restraint is just as unacceptable an attack on the 2nd Amendment as it is on the 1st Amendment.

181 Dennis January 10, 2013 at 6:54 PM

(Deinstein should be either DiFi or Feinstein)

182 Dennis January 10, 2013 at 7:10 PM

@Average Man

“So they needed a more long term cash machine that Killed a record number of our young men and women. Called Vietnam , two were from my High School, though older I new them As Brothers of two of my friends. Don’t forget my friend, as I said I Enlisted in 1970 “.

Interesting that you ignore all other geopolitical factors, and prefer the myth that our wars are the result of greedy corporations. Be that as it may, the Vietnam War did not kill a record number of our young men and women.

“Just curious , Had you been born yet.”

Actually, I had just completed my 3rd combat tour of Vietnam in 1970. I got there just before Tet 68. I spent my 21st, 22nd, and 23rd birthdays in combat. I was assigned to MACV, the renamed MAAG.

How about you?

183 Ball Three January 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

I “retired” at 65 in 2001, having been a Marine, roofer, big-city police officer, and finally a long-haul trucker. Needing to cut back to a mere 40-hour week after 10 insane years in big trucks, I bought a small motorhome, which came in handy when I started substitute teaching around three counties with San Luis Obispo as my new “home town”, where I parked at night in industrial areas with no problems from the police or anyone.

Now, my fellow RVers and I are suddenly front page news and getting rousted constantly by the police, though we are hurting no one. To paraphrase FDR, I welcome the hatred of those posters who ridicule this bill and who would deny me the same right to sleep in my legally-parked RV that they have to sleep in their legally-constructed house.

There will always be those who seek to trample on the rights of others, whether they be black, Irish, Jewish, women, Latinos, Chinese, gays…but many of these groups have done pretty well lately, haven’t they? Especially in the recent election, right? Hey, this is America. The good guys may lose some battles, but we NEVER lose the war.

184 Ball Three January 14, 2013 at 3:01 AM

I “retired” at 65 in 2001, having been a Marine, roofer, big-city police officer, and finally a long-haul trucker. Needing to cut back to a mere 40-hour week after 10 insane years in big trucks, I bought a small motorhome, which came in handy when I started substitute teaching around three counties with San Luis Obispo as my new “home town”, where I parked at night in industrial areas with no problems from the police or anyone.

Now, my fellow RVers and I are suddenly front page news and getting rousted constantly by the police, though we are hurting no one. To paraphrase FDR, I welcome the hatred of those posters who ridicule this bill and who would deny me the same right to sleep in my legally-parked RV that they have to sleep in their legally-constructed houses.

There will always be those who seek to trample on the rights of others, whether they be black, Irish, Jewish, women, Latinos, Chinese, gays…but many of these groups have done pretty well lately, haven’t they? Especially in the recent election, right? Hey, this is America. The good guys may lose some battles, but we NEVER lose the war.

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