The “Homeless Bill of Rights” in California

January 8, 2013 12:07 pm · 184 comments

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California State Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) has proposed the “Homeless Bill of Rights”.

Ammiano said, “We need to stop criminalizing the behavior of people who have nowhere else to turn. People who are in need of mental health services or who have lost their jobs and their homes are being told, ‘Move along or go to jail.’ The Homeless Persons’ Bill of Rights begins to give us a framework for appropriate approaches to protecting our communities and those who are vulnerable.”

The Bill, according to the Sacramento Bee, would give “legal protection to people engaging in life-sustaining activities on public property. Among other activities, it specifically mentions sleeping, congregating, panhandling, urinating and “collecting and possessing goods for recyling, even if those goods contain alcoholic residue.”

Would you support a “Homeless Bill of Rights”?

If you’d like to comment on this bill, you can send a message to our local Assemblymember, Susan Bonilla, by clicking ON THIS LINK.

{ 184 comments }

1 Rebel January 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I will not support a bill that allows people to panhandle or urinate in public.

2 og January 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

boy would i like to pee outside without interruption too. will i have to be homeless or will this apply to all?

3 Jefe, not Jeff January 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

What the hell is wrong with these idiot (extreme left) politicians? So you are making it perfectly OK for people to urinate, sleep, and loitter anywhere they want? All in the name of “Life-Sustaining activities”?? Give me break!

Keep your twisted San Francisco politics out of our cities!

4 SanDee January 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

No.

5 J. January 8, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Will this bill decriminalize the stealing of tip-jars?

6 GG January 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

“Homeless Man Snags Tip Jar from Clayton Road Starbucks”

Where does this fit in the Bill of Rights?

7 Anon January 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM

No. But its interesting that you can camp in front of the apple store for a week and thats okay.

8 marinemom January 8, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Where does it end……This is just stupid enough that it will pass.

9 Indeed January 8, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Damn the stupid Dems. This goes over the bounds of even the most liberal of them all. This disgusts me and should disgust everyone who works and pays rent or a mortgage and has a place to live.

10 WC44 January 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

“Man, I wasn’t drinking that beer, it’s just residual alcohol in a container I was collecting for recycling.”

11 femshep January 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

What about people who are just away from their homes and perhaps very drunk and have to urinate very badly, but don’t have the means to reach their own toilets at that exact moment? Will they be able to urinate in public as well? Seems like the next logical step.

12 NoMoreFreeRide January 8, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Great then our whole state would look like the Mission District in San Francisco. Homeless or not there are laws which must be enforced.

13 Anonymous January 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM

No. Appropriate services are ALREADY available, though many choose not to take advantage of them. It is NOT ok to urinate, defecate, “camp”, panhandle, “collect” items for personal use OR “recycling”, etc. on public property and I would never support legislation aimed at making it “ok”.

14 Geezer January 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Being homeless is not against the law. Using public property as a toilet is. Aggressive panhandling is. Drinking alcohol in public and being drunk in public is. I don’t want to criminalize being homeless, but I don’t want the homeless to think that the laws don’t apply to them because of it. Us citizens in the middle need to make sure the radical left and radical right use some common sense. This doesn’t have any common sense in it.

15 anonnnnn January 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM

No, but I WILL support programs that provide mental health services, job training, “work for shelter” programs that offer shelter for those willing to volunteer their labor services etc. I do believe we need to bring back our in-patient mental health hospitals. Often counseling and medication can bring those with issues back to reality.

16 nonewtaxesinwc January 8, 2013 at 11:36 AM

I would support all of the Homeless being allowed to live in our lawmakers “Investment properties”.

17 Just a citizen January 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I think we can all agree that the homeless problem in the U.S. needs to be dealt with somehow. The current methods just aren’t working.

But, I don’t think this “homeless bill of rights” is any kind of solution or will be helpful in any way.

I don’t know what the answer is, but this ain’t it.

Is, or was, vagrancy a crime in California? If it is, how would this law deal with that? Does one law cancel the other?

18 og January 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM

my letter to sue

AB5 is flawed. I agree with not descriminating based on housing status, but this promotes homelessness and adds benefits that people with housing are not entitled to. Section 2.2 part 53.3 is beyond ridiculous and should be struck in its entirety–there is nothing redeemable in that section, it promotes and authorizes criminal activity. Strike 53.4. There is no clear definition of harassment thus any reference to it are meaningless. Please do not support this nonsense.

19 Blah blah blah January 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM

I can understand the sleeping and recycling part. The area I walk has tons of recyclables left by teen partiers. Camps that are out of residential neighbor hoods are fine by me shelters fill up fast and can be dangerous too. sorry I know people who were homeless and they would get cans so they could stay in a sleaze bag hotel twice a week for showers six to a room.

20 Kelly January 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I like still be connected to the community of Clay-cord and continue to still read this blog even though I no longer live there. The people who comment on this blog are not the Clay-cord I know. I wonder if the Diablo Valley is really only 30 miles away from San Francisco sometimes.
I don’t think a bill of rights will fix anything, but it’s sad we don’t have enough help for the homeless right now and there are so many factors that are creating more, that it needs to even come to this. God forbid any of you end up on the street, please remind me next time I’m back in town to personally treat you like trash and not offer you any help even though I am perfectly capable of it.

21 Rebecca January 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Mr. Ammiano has been smoking some good stuff from Oregon apparently. WTH is he thinking! Let the homeless go pee and loiter in front of his house all day and night. He can let some stay in his backyard. I’m sure his neighbors won’t mind a bit.

22 Randome Task January 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM

lol and the bleeding hearts rear their heads again to scoop up more money from us …sure there will be a fund generated for advertiseing and or cleaning fees for such rights …and so anyone who wants to urinate and steal has to then prove they are homeless …well ill leave my wallet at home then and all is good …yeah great bill there losers

23 MG January 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

No.

24 Randome Task January 8, 2013 at 11:51 AM

doh they allready have programs and this is not intended for those seeking such programs this is to legalize bummness …….lol fire anyone involved with this …such a waste of time and resources

25 Appalling January 8, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Yes, let’s make it easier to be homeless.

How about a bill of rights for those of us who are doing our part by paying our taxes, keeping our property maintained and supporting local businesses?

Am I out of line by thinking there shouldn’t be homeless camps on the onramps to 242 and 680? Or that we should be able to walk to the Bart trail off Port Chicago during the day without fearing for my child’s safety? That I should be able to purchase a cup of coffee or fill up with gas without being accosted for spare change?

26 bj January 8, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I am ok with it if they sleep where they squat

27 OMG January 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

No, simply out of principal for upholding the Constitutiona we ALREADY have. We shouldn’t be making laws or “rights” for groups of people! We are individuals with individual rights. That’s the Bill Of Rights. Let’s apply those to every single person and problem solved. OK? Why is our country getting so utterly idiotic with its nonstop law making!?

28 SAVE AMERICA January 8, 2013 at 11:57 AM

No!!! I will never sign a bill for this behavior. Are you peoples nuts??? I’m sure Tom Ammiano and the peoples supporting this would LOVE FOR the homeless to go over to there HOME AND PEE and DEFACATE in there yard. They may even want to share there home for them to sleep in :-)There are Shelters in the area. In the passed there was an investigation that most of the panhandlers live in homes and drive nice cars and make $4000.00-up from peoples giving there money to them. I do believe we need more Mental Health help for peoples…but isn’t this one reason why our TAXES have just gone up :-) TAXES !!! TAXES !!! TAXES !!!!

29 What Securiy January 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM

No we should not treat the homeless like S–, I’m with Annon, about the healthcare issue
but come on if you don’t have a home and your sleeping on those cold, wet streets for what ever reason. It should not be a crime.

I personally think the city where they were born or raised should pay for their gov’t t monthly check. I bet the city would make sure to educated and make sure they have the healthcare they need. Many are Vets. I know this for a fact.

30 bduns January 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM

what about my rights to not have to deal with public urination, aggressive panhandling and all the other crap these losers ruin for us (like stepping over their piles of crap in the Concord Bart stairwell, making parks where they hang out creepy, etc.)?

31 What Securiy January 8, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Geezer has excellent point too

32 Parsnip January 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Looks like a few politicians are attempting to outsource their responsibilities.

33 OMG January 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

That said, as soon as someone else’s rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness start infringing on my same rights, then those actions will be illegal. Although undesirable actions to witness and be around, urinating or panhandling in public places is not infringing on my rights unless I’m harmed, so let the existingBill Of Rights lead the way and let live. Very simple, yet very profound framework our founding fathers came up with.

34 Howard K Mullins III January 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

This Bill of Rights bill will pass easily.

The left love to decriminalize behavior of people who will vote for them without question, the most gullible and valueless of voters in society.

When a homeless group decides it likes your front porch and they decide to live there, there is nothing you can do. They can make camp in your back yard, using it as a toilet, and you have no recourse.

But, this is the land of the left, they bleeding hearts must be peeing their pants in ecstatic joy.

35 inmotion January 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

So.. they get to keep the shopping carts!

36 OMG January 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Where in our Bill Of Rights does it state you have a “right” to not deal with said things? Liberals all think the same. They think they have rights to not “deal” with stuff they don’t like.

37 First 4 days ago January 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM

It’s Falling Apart January 4, 2013 at 10:23 PM Talk About POLITICS
California State Assembly Bill 5 would give legal protection to homeless people engaging in life-sustaining activities on public property.
Protected activities would include sleeping, panhandling, “collecting and possessing goods for recycling, even if those goods contain alcoholic residue.” and urinating.
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/04/5091499/california-lawmaker-proposes-homeless.html
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_5&sess=CUR&house=B&author=ammiano

38 Amy January 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I think the homeless should find out where Susan Bonilla lives and camp there.

39 Rob January 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

While I agree with the general sentiment of Geezer January 8, 2013 at 11:30 AM

My issue is that when we round up homeless people, put them through our legal system, maybe throw them in jail – none of this is free and costs taxpayers money.

Then we have to ask – what are we getting for the money spent?

The homeless people will go through the system and then they will be released at some point with nothing else to do but to go right back to what they were doing before and the cycle just starts again.

And with every cycle – taxpayers have to pay up for the time spent for the “system” to do nothing but spin its wheels.

As a taxpayer – this revolving door is not an acceptable use of my money – and simply locking up these people and the large amounts of money associated with keeping people behind bars is likewise not an acceptable use for my money for people like this…

40 Mr. John January 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

They already have a Bill of Rights. We all do.

Further, these ‘protections’ serve to facilitate life on the street. Screw that. Get them off the street. Don’t preserve their right to pee on public property – work with them so that they can pee in private. This is like seeing a leeky pipe and building a drain beneath it: Fix the pipe instead.

I am a strong proponent of caring for all in our community, but I also demand that people contribute to our society in exchange for that support unless completely incapable of doing so due to some form of ailment. Replace unemployment with guaranteed subsistence level government jobs. Replace welfare with those guaranteed jobs, too. Many people with mental health challenges can contribute, too. Most people on disability are perfectly capable of being trained to do data entry, to pass along training to others, or to otherwise contribute in some fashion – even if it isn’t the same way that they did before an injury.

Yes, there are some people out there that really can’t contribute – but those are not the homeless you’re talking about here, really. The people that can’t contribute can’t care for themself on the street (for the most part).

41 Anon January 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I think Tom Ammiano needs to have these people live on his property.

42 Dorothy January 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I used the link, sent a note.

Basic question was would they be okay with homeless urinating in front of their (politicians) homes?

Why should anyone vote for any politician who would impose this out of sight legislation?

Wacky isn’t liberal, it’s just wacky.

43 It’s Falling Apart January 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Perhaps some of those that voted for Assemblywoman Bonilla can explain to us WHY does this need public input?
Why is this not a Simple No Brainer, NO vote for her.
Hasn’t this legislature already done Enough by turning CA into a magnet for those wanting a free welfare ride?
My opinion, this bill is a Prime example of what’s wrong with this state.

Besides if “collecting and possessing goods for recycling, even if those goods contain alcoholic residue.” becomes law what will become of Concord’s “CAPTAIN CAN”? That Masked defender of the garbage company’s recyclables from those marauding homeless.
Have heard the yellow cape over the chartreuse unitard is just, (lisp) stunning.

44 This is what happened in New Yord January 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Before Rudolph William Louis Giuliani came along, NYC was a toilet. He cleaned up the trash, the homeless…and made the city attractive to tourists, business, and citizens.

Tom Ammiano is a flaming advocate….fill in the blank. This is right up his alley. No one is to blame, we should all be understanding and welcoming, and just turn a blind eye to the bum pissing in your store front doorway, sleeping drunks lying on the sidewalk, stolen shopping carts overflowing with crap….and open containers of “recycles” booze bottles.

This is why San Francisco is filthy. This is why San Francisco is not the “tourist destination” it could be. You have to solve the problem, not ignore it. Anyone want to book a holiday vacation to Mexico? Oh, never mind the violent drug wars and gang killings, or the mugging of tourists.

You have to FIX the problem, not embrace it with politically correctness.

Oh, and this means ANY public place, like in front of your home! Cops won’t come “Sorry Sir, it isn’t against the law”.

45 DoReMi January 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Sure. Direct them to Nancy Pelosie’s lawn.

46 whaaat? January 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Find his town, rent a bus, take them all to his town where they can pee and poop alllll they want on his streets.

47 Don't Censor Me Bro January 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

One word – Standards

48 jussayn January 8, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Next bill will be a tax on the haves so the have not’s can continue their life style.
Public potty’s on every street corner so the homeless can live in them.

49 Me January 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Doesn’t our esteemed legislature have more pressing matters to deal with??? Like passing the state budget on time? This is absurd

50 BagsFlyFree January 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

What is the perk to being homeless and not in some type of assistance program to better yourself? Access to drugs and alcohol? Sleeping under the stars everynight? Freedom to plop anywhere you wish and loiter? Why not offer these “lures” in a controlled environment legally and free with the individual provided complete choice as to better themselves or not? Why do we let those who continue to make the absulute worst decisions play among us to pitty and donate to their ill activities? Making the disguisting/society affecting parts of being homeless legal and accepted is nonsense.

51 Triple Canopy January 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Ammiano is an idiot. Period.

Post his home address and I’ll drop a public crap right in front of his home and see how he likes it.

52 Qookiemonster January 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Ammiano once suggested issuing ID cards (at tax payers’ expense) to “transgender persons” with the right “sex” on it. He’s the worst that self-destructing Castro politics has to offer.

53 concordkiwi January 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM

You are kidding right? I was of the understanding that we already have a “Bill Of Rights” Why are we creating ones for special interest groups. What’s next? Gay Whales Bill of Rights?

54 Qookiemonster January 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Bill of Rights, eh?
Well, “rights” come with “responsibilities”. What responsibilities do homeless people have beyond maintaining basic bodily functions?

55 billa January 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Support it only if San Francisco is the designated home city. All these left loons in politics came from the city, let them have the burden and cost associated with the homeless. I feel sorry for prople who have been forced onto the streets, but our government and many charities have set up programs to help those less fortunate. Many just don’t want the help, giving them cart blanch to do whatever they want only creates more of the Occupy movement, A movement that I migh say, Nasty Nancy thought was a good thing. Let her and her constituants take care of their created problem

56 B January 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM

This makes me irritated, just reading about this stupid proposed law.

57 We all need rules January 8, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Just look at the attached picture in the story. Long line of shopping carts taken from a merchant. They build camps which cost thousand of dollars to remove and clean. And pollute ground water and creeks. And most pay little or no taxes. So my vote would be HELL NO!!

58 dilligafman January 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM

HELL NO!!!!

59 Grammar Police January 8, 2013 at 1:15 PM

To way too many posters on claycord.com:
I guess I’ll never get used to this new “connected” world we live in. I dream for the day when literacy and grammar matter. Even if I can manage to read your post and understand what you’re trying to say, the fact that you wrote it with so many misspelled words, poor grammar and lack of punctuation reflects poorly on the argument you’re trying to make and I tend to disregard it as the rantings of an uneducated doofus.

60 Don P... North Cawncord January 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

This does nothing to solve the problems associated with homelessness. Why do the homeless need a bill of rights? How about a home owners bill of rights? Can we make it legal to urinate on homeless people?

61 Bobfished January 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM

No, and I would no vote for anyone who supports this legislation.

62 We all need rules January 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Grammar Police, your a pompous butt head. not every one needs to be perfect to get a point across!!! Get a life.

63 Average man January 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM

We are reeping as we have sown.
We have let OUR Government wage pointless wars
that only benefit the wealthy, and create
More mangled Vets . Our infrastructure is crumbling .
Most working people cannot afford
Health coverage. Our tax dollars are
Wasted.
America was a country of compassion,
Now we could care less. Unless of course
the result of our individual greed means there
Are poor, homeless, mentally ill fellow citizens
Cause an inconvenience while you get your
Latte.
Until we learn that we are our brothers keepers
We will decline socially until it all
blows up. Read Thomas Paine. This country
Was great because we took care of our fellow
Citizens. Eventually greed replaced compassion
and this is the result.
Reading some( most) of these posts reminds
Me of how we got here.Most of us are comphortable
In our homes while posting these
Heartless and sub- moronic comments.
We have let our so called elected
Representatives enrich themselves and
Their masters at the cost of others ( you)
While they toss a few bones.
Whether these people are homeless
Buy choice( they have been around
Since the beginning ) or circumstances
beyond their control we as Americans
should see it as our ” patriotic duty”
To create the solutions to help these people.
Heal and begin to contribute to society
again ( might create some jobs also).
So enjoy our low taxes, And quit bitching
about the side effect, I think most of you
Would not survive( as many don’t )
should this ( mental illness, homelessness)
Happen to you. And just for the sake of
conversation, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin
They thought they had the answers.
What will your answer be?
Ask not for whom the bell tolls ,
It tolls for US ALL!

64 J. January 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Shouldn’t that be:

To: way too many posters on claycord.com

65 Parsnip January 8, 2013 at 1:48 PM

@#59 — Please explain your opening sentence.

66 Logic ??? January 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Anyone still wondering why SF is known as the ‘City of Fruits & Nuts’?

67 Parsnip January 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM

@J. #54 — the hilarity of these token “grammar” patrol wannabes is that they never advanced beyond a blog in their ability to editorialize.

68 ConstantReader January 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM

NO, hell NO! Only if the states only on California State Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) property or on State Capitol buildings & grounds. This is a terrible law!

69 Let's Go Oakland January 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

well said “Average man” #63. Interesting that so many of the “I’ve got mine” crowd claim to be Christian too! I’m not Christian, but from what we know of Christ, he preached against the abhorrent, compassion-less, child-like behavior demonstrated in comment sections like this one. I guess they are only Christian to a point, to the point that they are asked to think, feel, or act Christ-like…then they’re regular ‘ol NIMBY folks. Pretty twisted.

70 The Mamba January 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I actually get what he is going for here, but giving them legal protection is a whole different thing. It would be abused, and make our cities and state less attractive to tourists and residents that have to deal with it every day. Ammiano is a joke, but so is most of Congress.

71 Ale January 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

This doesn’t help homeless people and it certainly doesn’t help the neighbors who have to live next door to open sewers. Helping homeless people does not involve helping them become more confortable on other oeple’s property.

72 Pegasus January 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Ahhh, San Francisco city of my birth, designed by geniuses and now run by
idiots and lunatics.
So glad I escaped decades ago.

73 ANOTHERSHOT January 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Lets just take a cue from Israel, and
Put them all inside a fenced area in a
concentrated manner so they can
be more easily managed.It is for their own good
Right? Aw heck , let’s just wait for the Rapture.
Then we can go to the Mall.

74 mamatosix85 January 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

How does that guy even get voted in?

75 Where does Edi Birsan stand on this? January 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Edi is a lefty dem. Where does he stand on this issue? Been downtown lately Edi?

76 Elwood January 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Tommy is the cutest Assemblyman!

And the dumbest!

77 Em Dubya January 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Great. I’ve lived here my whole life and for the first time I am seriously contemplating leaving CA. The six figures in taxes that I pay are coming with me.

78 martinezdad January 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM

At average man,

Had to go with the Hitler reference eh? You just showed your hand as a crackpot. Your mind is mushy and your ideas only appeal to those who have no life experience.

Individual compassion and generosity is being forced through fees and taxes. If we weren’t paying for growing entitlements we’d have mdiscretionary money to help others ( on our own terms)

79 This is just wrong January 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Now every pervert out there can claim they just had to pee while out there showing off their private parts to kids.

80 Average man January 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM

It is apart from Religeon , taking care
of others in a group is what elevated
us as Human beings.
A person with no real solutions or
Ideas often resorts to the ridiculous
to divert attention away from their
Lack of understanding.
As a country we must gain control
of government spending .
Most of us just refuse to take the time
To pay attention to what’s being done
In our name.
Most of us know how we spend our
House hold dollars but don’t care
Or are apathetic about how our tax money
is spent.
And I am told that ” reap as you have sown”
Predates the bible. It’s something most people
don’t seem to have, common sense.
Oh yes , R. I. P. Huell Howser .
And the joke as I first heard it in , yes ,
The sixties is, “Why is California like
a bowl of Granola?, because what isn’t
fruits and nuts are flakes .”
Glad to be a Californian born and bred.

By the way, We as a country pulled

New Yorks nuts from the fire.
Nuff said.

81 Howard K Mullins III January 8, 2013 at 2:50 PM

@mamatosix85

He’s from the Castro, so he is either on his knees or grabbing his ankles.

That’s how he gets his votes.

Come to think of it, that’s how all (but one) politicians get their votes.

82 EddieSpaghetti January 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Homeless people have no rights.

83 This is just political trolling... January 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM

…someone in politics is just kicking the hornets nest hoping for a bunch of outrageous reactions.

I will say this: At least when the left go off their rocker, it’s in the guise of trying to help other human beings and usually ends with the best, if not still very crazy, intentions. When the right goes crazy it’s usually highly destructive, frighteningly cold hearted and incredibly self centered. If I have a choice, I’ll take the best intentioned crazy every day of the week.

84 Iagree January 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

The best, safest place for homeless people are in the neighborhoods where our overpaid gov’t officials live. They’d be safe camping out in front of Feinstein’s house, so let them camp out, panhandle, sh9829874t and urinate and hangout there.

85 average man January 8, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Mamba, These people do have the same rights
and protection as all Citizens do .
Lefties , righties, this is how we are kept
at each others throat’s. Black, white,
Immigrant , Christian etc.
look these people need to be helped,
We of all Races, religions, need to stop playing into
This system of fear used to control us.
Life is not as difficult as it seems, just do
The right thing.
At sixty years old I never thought
we as a country could have ever gone
backwards,but here
we are.

86 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 3:04 PM

#72 You’re a native? But you’re so relaxed. Congratulations.

87 average man January 8, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Hey,Em Dubya, I here you can take that income
To Russia, say hello to Gerard for me.
Wouldn’t miss you if you went today!

88 OR January 8, 2013 at 3:13 PM

“…someone in politics is just kicking the hornets nest hoping for a bunch of outrageous reactions.”
More like someone saw the handwriting on the wall and is using the responses as cover when they vote against the super majority majority democrat controlled legislature.

89 Makin' a list January 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Public lands, lets see grounds of the state capital, Union Sq. in SF. Any other suggestions?

90 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM

I think it’s discrimination against poor people. If the homeless were setting up housekeeping in Pacific Heights or Piedmont this would be a different story entirely. The homeless folks get chased down to the flats with people who can’t afford to move but still want to raise their families in a quiet neighborhood that doesn’t have rats.

91 DoReMi January 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM

The bright side is: When you become homeless as a result of the empty SS drawer, you and poop and pee on your favorite politicians lawn. Yay.

92 Pegasus January 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Connie –
Remember what ‘Freelin’ Franklin’ always said?

93 Em Dubya January 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Average Man – thanks for the wave of ad homenim attacks in defense of tolerance. I now see the error of my ways.

94 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Btw, rats are quite partial to containers with alcoholic residue in them.

95 DoReMi January 8, 2013 at 3:24 PM

@ #85 Average Man: The ACLU fought and won the rights for dopers to roam at will. What we are seeing today is the results of that battle won. You cannot incarcerate a person that has not commited a crime. If the ‘homeless’ do not consent to be helped, then you cannot force them to:
Clean up, get sober and find work.

So, now this idiot Tom Ammiano thinks he is doing the homeless a ‘favor’ by protectind their right to poop and pee at our parks and town squares.

No. Have you been to San Francisco lately on a warm day. Take BART into the Civic Center area and see the results of our compassion. Come up with a better idea.

96 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Triple Canopy, While I don’t neccessarily mean to encourage you, I’m reading a history of Gold Rush SF. I just finished the chapter on the media of that era and I think a newspaper would have published his address and that exact public protest would have taken place.

Darn, huh?

97 Average man January 8, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Martinezdad, I am a Vietnam era vet, have raised
Three children , married over thirty
Five years to the same woman, never been
unfaithful to my vows. Was homeless and
Got out of it( in late seventies) worked so hard
For forty plus years until my body wore
Out . Never used unemployment. Now
I see that after paying into Social Security
For those forty five years I’m expecting
an “Entitlement”
No life experience, crackpot,
FYI Hitler only wanted to clean things up
around his Country, get rid of the
homeless refugees, homosexuals,Mormons
Jews ,you know and maybe a few Gypsy’s
Just to tidy up.
I have had my share of challenges.
How a person with children can be so
Heartless explains some of the kids we
Have to deal with today, dare I say
David Rosen. I don’t recall innocent
People being killed by an out of control
shopping cart.
Name calling, ( crackpot) look in
the mirror.

98 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I don’t know who that is, Pegsy. I tried looking it up and everything.

99 Always Right January 8, 2013 at 3:42 PM

@average man – Most/all of the homeless we see on the streets are addicts or self- destructive vagrants. Enabling that behavior is NOT Christian. Giving them money for their addiction is a false compassion, and enabling them to legally live in that condition is contemptible.

They need to go to jail and/or mandatory detox and rehab. Get real. This problem calls for tough love.

100 Anon January 8, 2013 at 3:46 PM

So you and your family decide to go to the park for a nice picnic. When you get there you throw out a blanket and some food, your kids are playing catch. Then some homeless people decide to hangout right next to you; askling if you’re going to finish that foot-long sub from Togo’s. The police will be powerless to do anything if this bill makes it through the legislature, because asking the homeless to “move on” would constitute harassment.

Just sayin….

101 Pegasus January 8, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Connie –
I should have typed ‘Freewheelin’ Franklin’ – I’m sure a worldly gal like you would remember him.
My brain runs faster than my big fingers, oh well. I guess I’m Exhaustipated. (too tired to give a crap)

102 C-CatLady January 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Where are they supposed to go though? For people that say shelters, the Concord Homeless shelter has a waiting list to get in leaving most of them on the streets. Business don’t want them using their facilities, and they have nowhere to sleep but the streets. It’s easy to say “not in my neighborhood”… but that’s just passing the buck.

103 average man January 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM

DoReMe ,
Intolerance , is more destructive, than
Ignorance . The cause of the problems
we now face results from the treat the symptoms
not the decease approach .
There are homeless people that are able to
Get back on their feet, others are not mentally
stable enough. We will not be able to
help everyone of them.
But we can’t throw the baby out with the
Bath water.
In my opinion he has succeeded
in getting us thinking.
It is still inhumane to treat people the
way we do . It really could be you someday.

104 Wisecracker January 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

It’s important to remember for many of these homeless, it is a “chosen” life style. Not all, but a vast majority. I am a compassionate person, however, I do find my level of compassion toward the homeless individuals with no teeth and the look of an obvious drug addict to be dimished.

I’m guessing there are very few people who post here on Claycord who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. By saying this, I mean we’ve all had struggles in our lives of different levels. I know I have, but I’ve always reminded myself you have to be willing and want to help yourself first. It’s difficult to continue to offer a sandwich to a homeless person holding a “will work for food” sign, when their body language clearly says that’s not what they are looking for.

105 Parsnip January 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Ammiano probably has plans to move some the kiddie parks to current encampments in the interests of non-homeless.

106 Connie Dobbs January 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Ooh, I like worldy. Makes me sound mysterious.
I’m more of a Crumb fan, but of course I know from FFFB, and I know the quote.
I was thinking it was the mountain retreat.

107 The Dude January 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

@ Average man . . . look you may be average but you dont speak for the majority . .you are a liberal who believes that a homeless drug addict (by choice) who collects cans should have everything I do (working 60hrs a week) . . well you sir are an idiot . . you are the reason this country is going to shit . . there are programs set up . .if they chose not to participate and die all the better . . signed . .Never see me cry over a suicide or a dead holmeless

N.J tehee

108 average man January 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

To Always right,
I don’t believe I mentioned Christianity,
But the fact still remains, we are not
Going to solve this problem by denying
these people’s humanity. This problem is
a social one. If ,as some have suggested,
we put them in jail for their ” crime”, who
Might be next, you for some reason,
Martinezdad, or me. Drug addicts,winos
Bums have been around forever.
Being a heartless hardass is a bigger
Problem to me than homelessness .
I think the latter is easier to remedy.
It still comes down to selfish greed,
I was taught to share as a child.

109 What Securiy January 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Look a Veteran who was drafted into Vietnam, or served in Iraq and tell them this bull. I know many Veterans who are homeless.

What would Jesus do?

110 vigilante#1 January 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Its not OK to be a dreg of society. Its not OK to be a drug addict. Its not OK to be living on the streets because you are a drug addict. These people will do what ever it takes to get drugs. This means come into your neighborhood and piss on your front porch before they break in and rip you off.
They live at the end of your court in a field. The field next to the basketball hoop that your children enjoy. You know the red tent with all of the littler surrounding it. F those bums. They are too close to my home. Almost within sight…

111 Forgetbonilla January 8, 2013 at 4:35 PM

No point in protesting to Bonilla .She was right there when Aminano wanted to grant sanctuary to illiegals who were less then major criminals. She is enamored with far left politics.

112 What Security January 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

A Contra Costa County homelessness prevention organization will be awarded $700,000 for targeted assistance to homeless and at-risk veteran families, according to a Wednesday press release.

The money will be used by Shelter Inc, based in Martinez, to provide outreach, case management and assistance in applying for VA and general benefits. Part of the money will also be used in assisting veterans and their families with rent and deposit payments.

The award is a portion of nearly $60 million granted to 85 non-profit agencies that aim to assist veteran families nationwide. The national grant will serve 22,000 veteran families, according to a VA press release.

Out of Contra Costa County’s 467 homeless veterans, 88 were in Concord in 2010, according to information provided by Shelter, Inc’s director of development, Cynthia Dial.

“This likely undercounts given that there are individuals whose data are not in the [county-wide self-report],” said Dial.

*The report and information Dial referred to are: the county-wide self report, titled, Homeless Management Information System and the Veteran Supplement to the 2009 Annual Homeless Assessment Report to Congress.
Related Topics: Grant, Homeless, Veterans, and Veterans Affairs
. Do you know a vet who has benefited or could benefit from grants and organizations such as Shelter, Inc.

113 anonamiss January 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

NO!!! While I have sympathy for many of the homeless, I do not condone them to panhandle/ aka harass, urinate and defecate, and loiter so people will feel threatened or uncomfortable to go into a business establishment. Also business’s will suffer from this bill. Where is the money to clean up after they destroy a storefront or pollute/trash an area they have deemed their home? Check the amount of litter and damage one woman has caused by hanging out at CVS and the creek. It’s a joke. Absolutely NOT!!

114 Atticus Thraxx January 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Nothing like coming home from a long day and see yet another group of people getting special legislation and consideration as my taxes climb higher and higher, while fending off predatory banks, and my company is reconsidering it’s expansion into California. Well you idiots voted for these people. Repeatedly. What have you got to say for yourselves now? Yeah that’s what I thought.

115 Pegasus January 8, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Mysterious Connie –
I’m up here now, I think the altitude affects my brain. A wonderfully lightheaded airy feeling where reality is whimsical.

116 Randome Task January 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

where else do you think the dems get their votes illegals bums and dead people …..no one else would vote for them because they want to run your lives

117 Average man January 8, 2013 at 5:08 PM

@The Dude,
Wow, name calling again. The real dude
abides, you are just another wannabe tough
guy . I don’t lean left or right, am not a religious
Nut.
But you make my point for me , be careful
“Dude” you could be next.
I learned one lesson in my sixty years ,
What goes around comes around.
I’ve never seen it fail.

118 Forget Bonilla January 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Bonilla is a tight buddy of . No point in contacting her. She was all for Ammianos bill to grant amnesty to illegals who commit felonies.And another thing about Bonilla- she thinks it’s neat that 25 % of Conta Costa CHP is assigned to cover the Oakland CHP area while the entire Oakland CHP works in the city of Oakland. Us local folks are giving up CHP Officers and she could care less. And she needs to loose some weight.

119 a January 8, 2013 at 5:17 PM

I support this. It would allow me to pitch a tent wherever I want! Camping in the park for all, for free! Wee!

120 Always Right January 8, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I don’t care if the street addict is a veteran or not. As I stated earlier, Enabling that behavior is NOT Christian. Giving them money for their addiction is a false compassion, and enabling them to legally live in that condition is contemptible. They need to go to jail and/or mandatory detox and rehab.

121 DoReMi January 8, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Average Man: I asked you to come up with a better idea, not misrepresent my attitude. In fact, My attitude is better than yours. I say, F the ACLU. These people need help. Not freedrom to pee and shit in the parks.

The fact is, liberals do not have a better idea. Because. It involves forcing them to stablize (get off the dope) in order to be catagorized. And. As mentioned above by some observant folks (who no doubt have actually talked to the homeless-my h did, for many years)…Most of them LIKE their life. As in prefer. Most addicts cannot tolerate freedom. Straight, that is.

122 Anon January 8, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Tom Ammiano you are an idiot! Then again what else would comes from SF…

123 Average man January 8, 2013 at 7:03 PM

To DoReMi,
I said nothing about the A.C.L.U., or any
any other organized group other than OUR
Goverment. Deflecting from the issue of human dignity
Regardless of the persons condition is
Just making you feel more correct.
We sat back as a society and let this happen.
I do not condone the or pardon their behavior
And drug abuse is rampant. From Acohol
to prescription drugs from our own medicine
cabinets to ” designer drugs” .
And as a society (civilized ) we must agree
To use our tax dollars to tackle this problem.
It is not going to be easy when so
many “I got mine,screw you” mind sets
Exist. Look , our Elected leaders are all
tools of the , as Hunter Thompson,
Referred to them” Greed Heads”.
The approach to the Homeless problem
has been as effective as our education
system and the war on drugs.
Maybe it’s time to stop all this left ,
right crap and wake up. Red states,
blue states crips bloods norteno
sorreno. My solution is simple,
Wake up, the root is our unwillingness
To take away these people’s power.
Republican or Democrats our Elected
representatives are criminals, and the
Homeless are one of the by products
Of a failed system, and it’s our fault !

124 Anon January 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Work camps, 40 hrs labor gets you food shelter and limited medical.

Don’t all of California’s levies repair?

125 @ below average man January 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

New name same long winded diatribes.

126 Average man January 8, 2013 at 7:40 PM

@DoReMi, I have for to many years
now , had the opportunity to speak
with many different homeless persons.
Drug addiction is not exclusive to the homeless
population.have you ever heard the term
” functioning addict”.
I do agree some chose the ” homeless”
life style. Anthropologists and Sociologists
Agree that these people chose to stay
away from society , They are
generally harmless.
In my struggle out of homelessness
In the late seventies I learned that the crazier
You acted the less likely you were to
be victimized by other homeless predators.
Predators by the way are every where,and as
most predators are hard to spot we tend to fixate
On the obvious ones.
When a person looses hope in theirselves,
destructive behavior directed to them selves
Or others is the result. The guy walked in and
Stole the tip jar, no one said anything or
acted to stop this person! We are not
Going to see this get better until we can
look at ourselves and say why did I not act.
Last time I checked liberals are the majority in
California.

127 Or They Could Balance A Budget January 8, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Chemical dependence alcohol or drugs is a slow form of suicide, for a graphic demonstration search out the sites that post before and after pictures of meth users. Another component of homeless are mentally impaired or some might say challenged, ask Concord PD about mental illness among homeless. There are many among homeless that refuse help. In my opinion Ammiano is either completely naive or an incredibly feckless opportunist looking to sensationalize an issue to get some free face time on TV.
This is an example of what happens when legislators have far too much time on their hands. Texas a much larger state has a part time legislature and it works well for them. Remember not too many years ago up in Sacramento many were caught playing solitaire during legislative sessions.

128 Average man January 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM

@DoReMi, I have for to many years
now , had the opportunity to speak
with many different homeless persons.
Drug addiction is not exclusive to the homeless
population.have you ever heard the term
” functioning addict”.
I do agree some chose the ” homeless”
life style. Anthropologists and Sociologists
Agree that these people chose to stay
away from society , They are
generally harmless.
In my struggle out of homelessness
In the late seventies I learned that the crazier
You acted the less likely you were to
be victimized by other homeless predators.
Predators by the way are every where,and as
most predators are hard to spot we tend to fixate
On the obvious ones.
When a person looses hope in theirselves,
destructive behavior directed to them selves
Or others is the result. The guy walked in and
Stole the tip jar, no one said anything or
acted to stop this person! We are not
Going to see this get better until we can
look at ourselves and say why did I not act.
Last time I checked liberals are the majority in
California.

129 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Sorry, no bill of rights for the homeless. Get off drugs, take your meds and find a job. Do you think all the working folk love going to work at least 5 days a week? Not all of us! Live right and things will go better.

130 @ 125 January 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

If you too you ADDHD meds you might be able to concentrate long enough to read them.

131 Anon January 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Can you imagine him strumming a banjo while he re reads it.

Next, the lyrics to “turkey in the straw.”

132 Average man January 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Labor camps, who came up with
that one, Oh wait it was that liberal,
F.D.R.. Only it was called the Works
Progress Administration unless I
am wrong it got our grandparent s
and the country out of the depression.
And created a world class infrastructure .
And gave basic human dignity back
to many of our Grand Parents.
Damn liberals. How quickly we forget.
We must stop funding corrupt wars,
Stop holding up Despotic Regimes,
Stop borrowing from foreign Governments
( China) buy selling bonds, and start
the focus on us, the people of this country.
We have no Steel industry because the greedy
Capitalist ‘s did not care enough
about this country to spend the
money to produce it cleanly, that is just
a historic fact. So it’s made in china,
where they, as we did, are willing to sacrifice
their Citizens health and welfare for
PROFIT!

133 Average man January 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

To below average man:
These issues cannot be solved
with a sound bite. Or by pushing it aside.
You have the right as I do to read or not
to read anything in this arena. But the points
I make are valid, witness out current
situation. There are people with short attention
spans . I suggest they get a copy of
” Being Human for Dummies”
I have served this Country in the U.S.
Army, R. A. For those who know,I
Enlisted, was not drafted.. This is my
Country as it yours, Long winded, maybe so
but as with many people some are slower on
The uptake than others.

134 Always Right January 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

@ average man – you said: “In my struggle out of homelessness In the late seventies…”

Wouldn’t your “struggle out of homelessness” have ended quicker if the police picked your sorry soul up and took you to a local jail detox facility, where you were forced to stay AGAINST YOUR WILL for a couple of weeks – until you were clean?

135 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Peg: I remember the Furry Freak Bros. and Freewheelin’ Frank. Their saying was :” Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope” Of course, we were just talking about pot and were all going to work and paying taxes. There were very few people on the streets then. In S.F., South of Market was the place you’d see them. In New York, it was the Bowery. Now they’re everywhere. I believe we should have places for these people to get Detoxed and Psychological help. The worst of them won’t take help. So, we should keep them in locked facilities where they are not mistreated. It would be cheaper in the long run. I know this is not going to happen. We couldn’t possibly infringe on their rights but it’s nuts here now. Believe me, it was much nicer in the late sixties when I came here.

136 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I’m a moderate Democrat and I think Ammiano’s thinking is nuts.

137 AnonyMrs. January 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Just because the homeless are homeless, that doesn’t mean they have to be pigs. Be homeless, fine. But quit throwing trash everywhere and pissing on the sides of buildings. Maybe part of their “bill of rights” should include etiquette classes…

138 Average man January 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

@Anon, I have had the occasion to
read some of your posts, you would be well advised
to re-read some of your posts .
Or at least think a little more
before hitting the send key.
But after all, it is a Free country, and I
Would be strumming the banjo and singing
“This land is our land” by Pete Segar,
But as the song by R.A.M. relates,
“Learn to swim ” and with that
I will say, until we blog again.

139 Average man January 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

To Always Right:
First I want to commend you for trying,
I have never struggled with drugs or Alcohol,
I was let go when the auto shop
I worked closed. Being a young man I had
Gone through my money and before I
Got back on my feet I was homeless.
I don’t blame society for that. I spent those few
months in San Francisco where the police left
Us alone unless we caused problems.
It was a tuff economy then. But
I surmise you were not born yet. Not
all of us are as wise you must be to immediately
assume my situation was addiction
related. I have self control, many do not,
It is not easy then or now even with
Skills such as I have. I am not angry, just
disappointed at how easily you can push
aside your compassion for your fellow
Man.
And I have patience, I know things will
Get better. It was written somewhere
” Judge not, lest you be judged thy self”
I despair for such as you, minds like yours
forstall Human progress.

140 J. Lilly January 8, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Send a bill to the families of the homeless for abandoning them in the first place. If you’re not going to care for your family members, you should pay. How many blowhards on this thread have mentally ill relatives they ignore and banish to the streets without even knowing it?

The bill is about freeing up law enforcement resources to pursue real crime. Some of you geniuses should grab a calculator to find out how much it costs to arrest and jail a homeless person for urinating in public.

141 Safety Second January 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Common denominator….democrat politicians at work destroying what was once a wonderful state…..liberalism CLEARY is a mental disorder

142 Guess January 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Dear AnonyMrs, I know people who own
Their home that are worse. Or at least as bad.
Come on you can do better than
That!

143 Average man January 8, 2013 at 9:56 PM

What was I thinking, it was Tool not
Rage against the machine that
advised us to “Learn to Swim” ,
C Ya down in Arizona Bay fans

144 @Ammiano January 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Ammiano is an ass. enough said!

145 Roving "Force You Into Detox" Squad ASSEMBLE! January 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Some of you are seriously talking about having cops roam the streets looking to corral human beings in a van in order to haul them to jail or even more twisted: mandatory detox? For being homeless? Some of you have a serious hard-on for fascism. I bet you wouldn’t even blink an eye if they hauled your neighbors away to mandatory reprogramming for the offense of having just slightly annoyed you.

I’ve dealt with homeless and addicts enough to know that this separate bill of rights is ridiculous. Most addicts never fully recover and a lot of homeless are stuck in their life style. BUT they are still human beings. Their life decisions are not yours to make for them. Society does not owe anyone a solution to their issue of being uncomfortable having to share Concord, let alone anywhere on earth, with these people.

146 Average man January 8, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Wow, I just can’t believe some of this
Stuff. Our great leader Ronald Reagan
put thousands of Mentally Ill
People out in the streets to “lower taxes”
He deregulated the Savings and loan
Institutions so his buddies, Keating
and crew could plunder it with junk bonds,
He opened the door for Social Security
Funds to be stolen while telling us he was
Protecting it for our grand children . You just can’t
Be that ignorant. As I said before,
Democrat, Republican , a crook is a crook.
Good old Bill Clinton, The Glass spieigel
deal, the Usery laws that controlled
interest rates,
The people who engineered this have us
at each others throat while they continue to accumulate
obscene amounts of money.
And like a greedy child they don’t want to
share or even give us a chance to earn
It. The economy is suffering because
The one percent who control that money are
Not putting back into our economy.
His Billions did not do any good for
Saint Jobs in the end.
Carnegie realized this and gave back
To the country that provided his wealth.
Silly comparisons don’t make you right.

147 Bunny January 8, 2013 at 11:40 PM

We used to have places for such people. Bad ones, indeed. I think we can do better and, of course, it will cost us.

148 Average man January 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM

@145:
I refrained from using the term Fascism
since most people do not know understand
Its definition. And to many seem willing
to embrace it if it is financially or socially
Benificial to their ends.
I wanted to say that the cost of living
In a free society is taking as much care
Of those who cannot or will not care
for themselves. The children, the infirm
For whatever reason etc.
this is what makes us Human Beings.
I have unshakeable faith in Human spirit
although reading these cold and calous
postings wiggles it a bit.
David Berne wrote ” I have the compassion
but I don’t have the time” ( Talking Heads
Reference)
Well time is running out for us if we cannot
get together on what it is to be American,
or what it means to be Human.
In short I agree with 145!

149 old concord January 9, 2013 at 12:59 AM

It is sad the way we treat people. My dog has more rights then we are giveing people. I think all of us should expect these minimal rights to be given to us. Praise God I am not homeless tonight and comfort those who are. If we can spend our money on our own people and not on some expensive war I’m in. Don’t start I’m an independent voter and a veteran I would want this for anyone even you, should illness or whatever befall you.Thanks for listening.=)

150 Claude Rains January 9, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I love spotting the Unintended Consequences of some efforts. When I was younger, I took a trip to Texas with a friend of mine. He drove, and pulled off during the trip to pick up a sixpack of beer along the way at the Drive-Thru Liquor Emporium. As we hit the highway, he casually cracked a can and handed me one. He saw the look on my face, and explained that things were different in Texas. It was against the law to drink and drive, but it was perfectly legal to have empty cans on the floor of the backseat, as long as they were “crushed.” You could not have an open can of beer with beer *in* it, but you could have empties as long as they were crunched up in some way, and were not in the front with the driver, but in the backseat area or the bed of the pickup. He advised that if we were pulled over by the law, to just finish the beer off quickly and discreetly, and toss the empty over the seat into the rear, making sure I put a quick kung-fu grip on the can before letting go. The cop might have us walk lines heel-to-toe and other tests, but a few crushed cans in the back was strangely not to be used as evidence of recent consumption. In effect, no open container law. Texas, Land of Whacky Blue Laws. According to him, it was ok as long as we didn’t drive through a dry county. They might be a little sticky there.

So, when I read that part about not having empty beer cans being used against you, even if they contain residue of alcohol, I thought of Texas. I can see the next campaign ads. A low, sinister voice intones, “Is Tom Ammiano secretly in league with Texas Millionaire Brewers?” Ghods, that would be fun, I have to admit. But seriously, you can be homeless and have a car. As long as you have all the necessary fees, licenses and insurance paid up, you’re not breaking the law. So, to sum up, this seems to be repealing the open container laws. Or did we already repeal that in California?

Not all of you, but, some of you need to go back and read some Dickens, Jack London, or something, your comments seem to be advocating the spending of many millions to round ‘em up and “concentrate” them, on some expensive chunk of real estate somewhere, and force them to work for food and shelter, which is a novel solution that I don’t recall ever being tried before…has it? Maybe we could open “work-houses” or “poor-houses?” I think it is being done in some states, though. Those with mental problems make up a large percentage of the prison population, and recently I was reading that bill collectors are getting courts to issue arrest warrants for “deadbeat” creditors, so they can be jailed for not paying their bills. With “For-Profit” prisons the current vogue, it looks like we’ll soon have things just the way you want them to be. Google “Prison-Industrial Complex” for more on that subject. Personally, I’d rather see better mental health treatment, job training and a new WPA to get some of the infrastructure repaired and replaced. I’d like to see maybe two less carrier battle groups, and more projects like the new fourth bore of the Caldicott Tunnel. The Chinese are building high-speed rail like crazy and have started to build new thorium nuclear reactors for power as well as taking over the wind and solar power business. But, we can’t do that here, because…Socialism? ah, well…let’s just have another beer, I guess. Be sure to crush your empties when you toss ‘em over the seat!

151 Anotherme January 9, 2013 at 1:11 AM

There are two huge mostly empty housing developments abandoned by the Navy over by Pixieland (pixieplayland). There are literally tumbleweeds rolling down the streets there and jackrabbits, etc. it’s like a ghost town. Why not create some low income housing there?

Back on topic, although urinating in public is a terrible idea, access to bathrooms is a problem for homeless. Sometimes it’s a problem for any of us. Establishments with restrooms should allow people to use them when needed, and the old “out of order” excuse doesn’t fly most of the time.

By law, establishments with restrooms have to allow access to pregnant women… They are not the only ones who have emergencies.

152 Cruella January 9, 2013 at 5:57 AM

Completely agree with Anonnnnn @ 15.

153 AnonyMrs. January 9, 2013 at 6:05 AM

@guess,
Very true. I too have seen people with homes be absolute pigs as well.

154 DoReMi January 9, 2013 at 7:52 AM

@ #151 Thank you Anotherme.

I agree completely that we have the facilities to house the homeless in abandonned government buildings. Plus, they could be taught to farm fresh veggies and participate in the daily care and upkeep of the facilities. This would give them dignity. It woulld also separate the truely helpable from the doper dullards that are ruining our attempts to help.

This idea could also be used to help outgoing prisoners to find a new life.

155 DoReMi January 9, 2013 at 7:56 AM

@ #151 Anotherme. Thankyou I completely agree.

The empty govenment buildings could be used to house the homeless. They could farm and participate in the daily upkeep. This would in turn offere up a dignity in them caring for themselves. This would also separate the dopers and crazies from the pack so this group could be delt with humanly.

This idea would also work for prisoners released from jail. Those willing to participate would find an avenue to integrate into society.

156 AnonyMrs. January 9, 2013 at 7:58 AM

@ Claude Rains,
What the hell are you talking about??

157 Parsnip January 9, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Why do I believe Ammiano lives in a gated community?

158 The Professor January 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM

This could be a wonderful thing for the City of San Francisco to adopt. Just imagine how magnetic it would be for all of the panhandling drunks in Claycord. “Free stuff! I can drink booze in public because it’s really my recycling! I can take a squat on the steps of City Hall!”

Maybe Ammiano could even give himself a well-deserved 12% raise for all of his good efforts.

159 Ricardoh January 9, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Anyone pushing a cart should be put in a large public isolated park with alleys and doorways. These people have dropped out so treat them that way. Don’t forget to lock the gate.

160 Average man January 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Over the course of these 150 or
so posts I see a change in tone is
happening. The resources already
Exist , we as Americans are the
owners if you will of all of our
natural and structural resources.
As Citizens it is our duty to see
That these resources are used wisely
for OUR benefit and not the benefit
Of Big buisness or Government.
Helping the less fortunate is part of the
Machine of Society. And like any
Machine if you neglect one part it
stops altogether .
I told you these people would get us to
thinking and sure enough they did.
I also said it could create jobs.
It can! Would you feel good if you
helped someone get back up after a fall?
We won’t succeed with all these folks
that’s just a fact of life.
But not caring and vilifying them
For their condition is inhumane.
There is hope if we just force our
Elected officials to act in the service
of their Constituents and not Special
or private interests .

161 jtkatec January 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Parsnip (157), that is the point I made in my email to Bonilla.

This kind of legislation does not effect those that live in Blackhawk or Danville, it effects lower and middle class neighborhoods. That’s where the homeless hang out. Not on Nob Hill but in Concord.

162 What Security January 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM

The homeless tried to use vacate gov’t buildings but what did we do.
We kicked them out. Just like their families did kicked them out.
They fake medical calls to get off the cold streets. They get kicked out
Look at the vacant schools in concord.
Turn them into a homeless center, Nope not in my neighborhood.
We treat our Vets like crap.

163 What Security January 9, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Besides blogging & overusing are pie holes, what are we going to do about?
Nothing. Just like congress. LOL

164 Average man January 9, 2013 at 11:33 AM

As much as we must keep
Religion out of Government, it is not
working with a large percentage
Of the homeless.
Many are forced to sit , sometimes for
hours, through sermons and well
Intentioned “preaching”.
I am not running down Religion,
only their technique .
Most of these people are cold, hungry,
Intoxicated or detoxing. Not a very
receptive audience .
In that condition they need food, clothing,
and a warm safe place to recuperate.
Then healing and whatever treatment
that’s needed can begin. Those that
accept and realize people do care,
not all will, they might be ready for
“Gods Message”.
And it takes time, these persons are
not going to get over their problems
over night. Have them contribute
in a proactive way that gives them
back some Dignity. Manual labor that
produces a tangible result works wonders
for the soul, as well as changing the
Community .
These ideas are not my own, nor are
they new. Just forgotten while we
strived to get ahead. No one gets ahead
if we all don’t get ahead.
Regardless of your faith, or philosophy ,
Material gain is worthless if attaining
It creates a class of people willing or for
whatever misguided reason want to take it
From you or destroy it.
Putting these persons in jail only
Increases their anger at ” Society”
” tough love” , how’s that worked out
for us.
People that are treated like Animals
Respond like Animals.

165 RanchgirlCA January 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Not a chance. There is a difference between the vagrants you see around town and someone who hit a rough patch and finds themselves ‘homeless’. Some of the folks out on our streets are dangerous. Maybe the politicians should speak to local law enforcement. That could be an eye opening experience.

166 The Professor January 9, 2013 at 11:53 AM

I Googled “Concord California Homeless Services” and this site was the first to pop up.

http://www.homelessshelterdirectory.org/cgi-bin/id/city.cgi?city=Concord&state=CA

I’m certain that this list does not represent all of the assistance available to those who want it.

167 Average man January 9, 2013 at 12:12 PM

So, we take the most successful
of these people and train them to be
Mentors to others. The best lessons are
learned from those that have been
there.
Show them there is a way out of the despair
They have felt perhaps their whole
Lives.
Take the Lemons of society and make
Lemonade. And it takes a little sugar
To make lemonade, not salt.
And then take these ” Government
Building” and as these people are able ,
charge a manageable rent fee.
Nothing like a little pride of ” ownership”
to motivate most people to take care
Of themselves, their property and respect
The people around them and their
Property and rights.
Not complicated, just takes the effort.
Again , it won’t work for everyone,
But that should not mean we give up
on them, as some feel we have.

168 Average man January 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM

@ Ranchgirl,
Is the fact that there are dangerous
People out there new to you?
Seriously, I am not mocking you.
There have been dangerous and
Deadly people since the dawn of
Mankind, and they have not gotten
us all , yet.
I still say the most dangerous people
are the ones that continue to
send our young men and women into
senseless wars. Entangle us in
Unproductive Foreign affairs, and send
jobs out of the country to boost their bottom
lines and keep the “stock holders”
Happy.
We have dealt with these ” criminals”
through the centuries as best we could,
but these people will still be with us to
the end.
Fear will result in two reactions,
Fight or flight. Mostly we have fled
from these fears. And that has not worked.
Fight, should result in a proactive
Response to the cause of that fear.
A constructive response .
Martial arts teaches that a calm
response to danger or fear is more
successful than a panicked one.
And it saves more lives, theirs as
well as your own.
We truly do have have nothing to
fear , but fear itself. FDR.
So channel that fear where it will
do the most good, Sacremento,
Washington D.C. , and as many
corporate board rooms you can!
And it all could start at your own
front door.

169 M.Python January 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM

“No one expects the Spanish
Inquesition . One of our weapons is fear,
fear and surprise. Two , two of our
weapons are fear and surprise and
a mindless devotion to the Pope.
No, that’s three, among are many
Weapons is fear, and surprise and…

170 kiarfy January 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM

@M.Python
I can finish that for you…..Stupidity.

171 Don't Censor Me Bro January 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

― Benjamin Franklin

172 Concord1963 January 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Human waste = deadly diseases. Maybe a visit to a third world country is called for.

173 Average man January 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM

@171
Ben Frankli, really. Close examination
of his life shows him to be no more
Morally centered then Bill Clinton.
Rhetoric aside , he cared no more
for the poor than other leaders of that
time.
The Constitotion and Bill of Rights
are almost perfect, in concept,
but was used as a carrot on a stick.
The vast majority of the population of the
were illiterate .
It wasn’t until Lincoln that any one in power
forced that promiss, and even then it was
power and profit driven, see Carpet Bagger.
Try Thomas Paine.
@ Kiarfy, yes, I knew someone
is listening (reading) ; )

174 Average man January 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

What we need is “The holy hand
grenade of Antioch”!

175 Slugga January 9, 2013 at 3:45 PM

We should incarcerate the homeless and spend $50,000 a year taking care of them, as we do with other inmates.

176 Anon January 9, 2013 at 6:31 PM

And we’ve lost interest.

177 Dennis January 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM

@Average Man
“Labor camps, who came up with that one, Oh wait it was that liberal, F.D.R.. Only it was called the Works Progress Administration unless I am wrong it got our grandparent s and the country out of the depression. And created a world class infrastructure . And gave basic human dignity back to many of our Grand Parents.”

No, it wasn’t FDR that got us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s; it was WW2. Factories built and the “other half” of America (women) joined the labor force (private enterprise). At the end of WW2, the men came home, the women didn’t want to give up their jobs, and so the available labor pool was double what it was prior to the war. This would suggest that unemployment would be more than half the population, but private industry. and commerce in general, had more than doubled the need for workers.

It was not the government dole that ended the recession and returned this country to prosperity, it was an extremely successful – and growing – private sector economy, which in a few years expanded so much that it provided more than twice as many jobs.

178 Average man January 9, 2013 at 9:13 PM

In part that is true , it took a massive
Effort of labor and “private sector”
Industry to allow us to emerge victorious.
But the depression preceded WW2,
by quite a few years.
There was a lesson well learned
By a Ford Motor Company Executive
named Robert Mc Nammara.
And he started what became the ready for it
“The Military Industrial Complex”.
And we have gone into a state of almost
constant war since, in 1959 he could hardly
hold himself back by pushing us into
What was then French Indo China to
” help the French put down an indigenous
rebellion and hold on to their Colony”
Remember we had already Drew in Korea.
So they needed a more long term
cash machine that Killed a record
number of our young men and women.
Called Vietnam , two were from my
High School, though older I new them
As Brothers of two of my friends.
Don’t forget my friend, as I said I
Enlisted in 1970 . Just curious ,
Had you been born yet. I love my
Country and have a flag that has flown
since we got into what became another
Debacle.What is it now ten eleven
years.But I won’t deny how we have all
been fooled. But I diverge. Another up and
Comer was Dick Chaney.there were
Many more .
The only lasting lesson learned by
Private Sector Industry was how
Filthy rich they could get playing
War with other people’s Children.
and our hard earned tax dollars.
And the multitude of companies,
Raytheon , A.M.G is mind boggling.
You will deny this most likely.
But when a few Heroes stood up to
This machine they took what they could
get from wherever they could get it including
Selling us down the river selling bond s
to the Chinese and some others.
I am referring to Dubya’ s wars in Iraq
and Afganistan.
The only people that gained from this
were, are the stockholders of these Corporation
that are not privately held.
There is no need for these shareholders
To be concerned because as we wind things
Up in Afganistan and Iraq we have
Iran and North Korea in the wings.
And just in passing have you noticed
the reporting of the horrible numbers
of our troops suicide rates has stopped.
The short little posts on this site are sometimes
funny, mostly sad for their ignorance.
I have talked to some of
the Vets at the VA hospital in Martinez,
These guys served multiple tours,
Most because they had to, not all.
One told me he thought about suicide
When he was informed he would be
sent to Afganistan after leaving Itaq.
My real point here is Private Industry
Corporations are NOT THE CURE!
These war Companies are the Desease!
Some years back people with a conscience
forced investment accts to stop
Doing buisness with South Africa.
These Corperations are not my heroes,
But alas, another long winded post
From that guy again , well those who feel
I am a ” crack pot” as I was referred to by someone here
Can skip it , but I am glad for at least a few
Intelligent postings here and I include mine
in that group as I do yours.

179 Average man January 9, 2013 at 9:42 PM

@Dennis,
Sorry forgot to add that header.
I wanted to add though, Every
Mother, Daughter, every Women
Helped in that War effort. How sad
It took so long to acknowledge them
what a shame.
As it has been said ” All gave some , some gave all”
It was there Children sacrificed to preserve
our Freedom.
But it is also true the Corporations
could pay these Women half what a Man
earned for the same work. This caused
Wages to go down even further because
of an excess of labor.
But to the rescue came the Banks.
and “credit” this at a time when
most people just started to use Checks
Although by today’s standard the Interest rates
seemed low,the way they were calculated was predatory, it was called I believe
Add on rates. Any way just another example
of how Wall Street treats its consumers.

180 Dennis January 10, 2013 at 6:52 PM

beds, booze, food (stamps), welfare, toilets, etc are not “rights”, they are entitlements/gifts from government. When government guarantees them, they they are merely guaranteeing the government will create an administrative body, and new taxes, to provide those gifts.

surely Tom Ammiano knows that the legislature does not have the authority/power to create, modify, or eliminate a “right” via statute/law. A “right” that is created by statute/law can also be repealed by statute/law, and thus is not a “right” at all.

Rights are created, modified, or repealed, at the Constitutional level, via the Amendment process.

Perhaps Tom Ammiano should pass that bit of acrcania on to Ms. Pelosi and Ms. Deinstein, and King Barak, who apparently slept through that day in their Constitutional Law classes.

And maybe Mr. Ammiano should review “prior restraint” attacks on our 1st Amendment Rights, which resulted in us having to tolerate speeches by the KKK and Nazi dinosaurs. Prior Restraint is abhorrent to a free people, and that opinion is shared by SCOTUS.

Hint to Tom Ammiano: prior restraint is just as unacceptable an attack on the 2nd Amendment as it is on the 1st Amendment.

181 Dennis January 10, 2013 at 6:54 PM

(Deinstein should be either DiFi or Feinstein)

182 Dennis January 10, 2013 at 7:10 PM

@Average Man

“So they needed a more long term cash machine that Killed a record number of our young men and women. Called Vietnam , two were from my High School, though older I new them As Brothers of two of my friends. Don’t forget my friend, as I said I Enlisted in 1970 “.

Interesting that you ignore all other geopolitical factors, and prefer the myth that our wars are the result of greedy corporations. Be that as it may, the Vietnam War did not kill a record number of our young men and women.

“Just curious , Had you been born yet.”

Actually, I had just completed my 3rd combat tour of Vietnam in 1970. I got there just before Tet 68. I spent my 21st, 22nd, and 23rd birthdays in combat. I was assigned to MACV, the renamed MAAG.

How about you?

183 Ball Three January 14, 2013 at 2:47 AM

I “retired” at 65 in 2001, having been a Marine, roofer, big-city police officer, and finally a long-haul trucker. Needing to cut back to a mere 40-hour week after 10 insane years in big trucks, I bought a small motorhome, which came in handy when I started substitute teaching around three counties with San Luis Obispo as my new “home town”, where I parked at night in industrial areas with no problems from the police or anyone.

Now, my fellow RVers and I are suddenly front page news and getting rousted constantly by the police, though we are hurting no one. To paraphrase FDR, I welcome the hatred of those posters who ridicule this bill and who would deny me the same right to sleep in my legally-parked RV that they have to sleep in their legally-constructed house.

There will always be those who seek to trample on the rights of others, whether they be black, Irish, Jewish, women, Latinos, Chinese, gays…but many of these groups have done pretty well lately, haven’t they? Especially in the recent election, right? Hey, this is America. The good guys may lose some battles, but we NEVER lose the war.

184 Ball Three January 14, 2013 at 3:01 AM

I “retired” at 65 in 2001, having been a Marine, roofer, big-city police officer, and finally a long-haul trucker. Needing to cut back to a mere 40-hour week after 10 insane years in big trucks, I bought a small motorhome, which came in handy when I started substitute teaching around three counties with San Luis Obispo as my new “home town”, where I parked at night in industrial areas with no problems from the police or anyone.

Now, my fellow RVers and I are suddenly front page news and getting rousted constantly by the police, though we are hurting no one. To paraphrase FDR, I welcome the hatred of those posters who ridicule this bill and who would deny me the same right to sleep in my legally-parked RV that they have to sleep in their legally-constructed houses.

There will always be those who seek to trample on the rights of others, whether they be black, Irish, Jewish, women, Latinos, Chinese, gays…but many of these groups have done pretty well lately, haven’t they? Especially in the recent election, right? Hey, this is America. The good guys may lose some battles, but we NEVER lose the war.

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