IMPORTANT: Community Meetings on Fire Station Closures throughout Claycord

December 27, 2012 16:00 pm · 70 comments

The Contra Costa County Fire Protection District will be hosting meetings to discuss the closure of fire stations in our affected communities.

At the December 11, 2012 Board of Director’s meeting, the Board voted to close four fire stations – one each in the communities of Clayton, Lafayette, Martinez, and Walnut Creek.

The closures are necessary to close a budget deficit due to reduced revenues from declining property taxes, coupled with increasing costs to the Fire District for personnel and general operations. The fire stations are scheduled to close on January 15th.

The meeting schedule follows:

Community: Lafayette (Fire Station 16)
Date: January 7th
Time: 6:30pm
Location: Lafayette Veterans Memorial Building, 3780 Mt. Diablo Blvd.

Community: Martinez (Fire Station 12)
Date: January 10th
Time: 6:30pm
Location: Martinez Jr. High School, 1600 Court Street

Community: Walnut Creek (Fire Station 4)
Date: January 22nd
Time: 7:00pm
Location: Walnut Heights Elementary School, 4064 Walnut Blvd.

Community: Clayton (Fire Station 11)
Date: January 23rd
Time: 7:00pm
Location: Clayton Community Library, 6125 Clayton Rd.

The Fire Chief will be joined by members of the Board of Directors at each meeting, as well as members of the affected City Councils and City Managers.

Fire District staff and Board members will be available to answer questions regarding the closures and efforts to reduce the impact to the community during the meetings.

{ 70 comments }

1 Elwood December 27, 2012 at 4:28 PM

The Board of Supervisors is the Board of Directors of Contra Costa County Fire Protection District.

Of course they have screwed things up so badly by lying down for the firefighters union that they’d rather you didn’t know that.

And the mayor doesn’t point that out in his post. Por que no?

2 Dorothy December 27, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I hope a lot of folks that live in Clayton show up. I’m sure if they absolutely feel they MUST close a 4th station, at least don’t take away the only one in
Clayton. All the county supervisors should attend these meeting too if they are not already on the district board.

3 anon... December 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Schedule indicates they are saving Clayton for last….

Just for the heck of it, the other cities/towns effected/affected (?) are not happy either…..

4 Hmmmmm? December 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Is it my understanding ZERO of these local firefighters have lost their jobs though stations are closing?

5 Dear Dorothy December 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

If memory serves Clayton voters had the highest rejection of the parcel tax of any city.

6 Don P... North Cawncord December 27, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Can they just hurry up and close the station tomorrow? Im sure the meetings will just be more of the typical FF pity party.

7 anonymous December 27, 2012 at 5:47 PM

People need to keep in mind that no matter how many citizens show up and voice their displeasure, it is not going to change anything. The decisions have been made. This sort of thing is likely only to answer questions people have and show them what the district is doing to try and lessen the impact of the closures.

8 DoReMi December 27, 2012 at 5:56 PM

There is no such thing as ” declining property taxes “. However, there could be declining tax revenues due to foreclosures. That I would believe.

The lesson to be learned is this: Don’t live above your means. But more importantly. Why did you cash in your home equity for toys and vacations?

9 Don-PH December 27, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Y’know, y’all could have joined me in voting FOR Q – then there’d be no need for nimby’s.

10 Killjoy December 27, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I just set a reminder in my phone calendar so I won’t miss the meeting for my local fire station.

11 Always Right December 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM

The firefighters monopoly union just cannot take no ( more taxes) for an answer.

Go to these meetings and your contact info will end up on the recruitment list for the next drive to raise taxes.

The public will suffer because the union refuses to make meaningful concessions on their outrageous retirement and lifetime medical benefits, their absurd work rules,etc.

12 Gym Rat December 27, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Elwood,

How do you get your inside information? Lets get this straight… It is your opinion! “Lying down for the firefighters union??” By the way…the city of Clayton voted against Measure Q in the last election! What did you think was going to happen? If Measure Q was passed …they would not be closing down any of the stations in Contra Costa County. Since you seem so down on the fire department…next time you need help… instead of calling 911, call the public library and ask them to come and assist you.

13 Always Right December 27, 2012 at 7:06 PM

You know I just want this to all be over with already. Ive done my research and see that fire departments respond to much less fires. And Chris Hunt has been preaching about changing the delivery model and I think this is how we get it done. Shut the stations down that only run 1 or 2 calls a day…ie the ones their closing and start saving money!

The people in clayton have more dollars then cents anyway!

14 @Elwood December 27, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Hey bud thats no secret! If more people would show up to board meetings and understand what the true problem is and how this stuff works, we would be much better off.

Oh well its much easier to get all the “facts” off the comment section of claycord.

15 Always Right December 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Well, looks like we have a new poster (#13) using the “Always Right” handle.

Ok by me, and hopefully s/he will continue to be true to conservative fiscal and social values – that is the best way to legitimately remain “always right”.

16 Disgusted December 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM

@always right, you are such a pity party. You just love getting your digs. It must suck to always be so miserable. You and your cronies are so wise. Get real. Nobody cares about your skewed opinions, they are boring and repetitive. You just chomp at the bit to write something negative when there is anything to do with CCCFPD. Go do something productive.

17 Townie December 27, 2012 at 7:54 PM

@HMMMMMM?
So what you’re saying is the Starbucks and Safeway corporations won’t be losing money? The same amount of on duty firefighters will visit, just in different locations.

18 Disgusted December 27, 2012 at 7:55 PM

@ don p, again another negative post. You and always right work together on the same shift huh? Get real, life’s to short to be so miserable. Sorry things didn’t turn out the way YOU wanted them too. You are a disgusting pitty party yourself. Hope the new year is better for you. Like I told your buddy ALWAYS RIGHT, go be productive. I would say I feel sorry for people like you but I don’t. You disgust me as we’ll as your buddy always right and taxpayer 2. Stay out of my way on scene you got me.

19 chicken little December 27, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Let’s close the library next. Let the savings begin. Who’s next on the ring down. Dog catcher? The sky is falling…

20 Mr. J December 27, 2012 at 8:00 PM

@ Do Re Mi –
There are declining property taxes. Houses purchased during the run up in prices were often reassessed and property taxes were lowered because of the decline in value. My brother’s taxes were lowered a couple of times – he lives in Concord. Still lives in the house and it is not in foreclosure.

21 Gym Rat December 27, 2012 at 8:13 PM

@Hmmmmmm? Firefighters have not lost positions due to attrition…the department has not hired new employees for the vacant positons. Get your facts straight!

22 Townie December 27, 2012 at 8:49 PM

@Gym Rat — So you’re saying Starbucks and Safeway have seen revenues drop, but the drop is directly correlated to Fire Dept attrition. Got it. Thanks!

23 Common sense December 27, 2012 at 9:14 PM

The real issue is the county hospital. This is the money pit of the county. Why is CoCoCo one of only two County run hospitals in the state? Let’s focus on the real problem. The hospital financial operations were reviewed, the results were squashed by the Board of Sups. The doctors are the highest paid County employees.

24 Chevrolet girl December 27, 2012 at 9:37 PM

You are forgetting that the firefighters pay into their retirement. Yes they run less fire calls but who do you think shows up first when you need them to respond for a medical emergency. They are not only firefighters they are paramedics, so if engine 22 is in quarters up in Ygnacio and you are deep in Clayton suffering from a heart attack you will be waiting a little longer, oh and even longer if they have the speed bumps to drive over. 6 min your dead! Wait til those who are opposed need them then maybe you will grab a clue that you should have voted otherwise!

25 Dear Do Re mi December 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM

You dont know what you are talking about, again

26 Anon December 27, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Let’s talk about the right to work so we can hire non-union Fireman to staff the closed stations.

27 Fred P. December 27, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Get rid of the County Hospital and contract with the other hospitals in the area. Co Co County is only one of a few counties in the state that still has a county hospital.

It can be done…… just force the BOS to look at the rest of the state.

28 Elwood December 27, 2012 at 10:15 PM

@ common sense #23

“Why is CoCoCo one of only two County run hospitals in the state?”

Because the Board of Supervisors is scared shitless of Local One and Local One wants a county hospital in Martinez where its members live as opposed to East or West county where the patients are.

29 Elwood December 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Q: How many fire stations will close?

A: Four (4)

Q: How many firefighters will be laid off?

A: Zero (0)

30 Always Right December 27, 2012 at 10:17 PM

For the record I am not misarable! I just don’t like fire fighters cause my wife left me for one of those idiots!!!!

31 Don P December 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I apologize for my last comments… I guess my girlfriend is sick of my negativity online. It’s the only place I really feel I can vent or really have a voice. I hate my job and wish I was able to retire but more importantly had a job I’m proud of.

Again im sorry. Have a good NYE :)

32 David December 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM

first off gymrat and townie, do either of you know the definition of the word attrition? i dont see how it fits in the conversation. anyway,whats your commute like in the morning? how about shopping malls with large amounts of vacancies in and around claycord? when are you all going to see that this town is not broke. investigate and you will see. go ahead prove me wrong.

33 Don P December 27, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Disgusted

Things DID turn out the way I like, the station is closing. Not miserable at all, quite happy with my life actually. I am compensated well for the work I do I know this must be incredibly difficult for you to process, but just because i believe that fire fighters are grossly over paid and under worked, does not mean that I am jealous or angry about anything. This is not about me being angry at you, this is about unions wasting our hard earned money. This is probably pointless however because I don’t expect you to understand that concept when it is so much easier for you to just blindly follow your union leaders than it is to exercise some logical thinking.

34 Don P December 27, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Pretty sad that Disgusted is faking comments by me. I thought I was supposed to be the negative loser? Looks like he proved himself wrong

35 Concord Taxpayer December 28, 2012 at 4:33 AM

I get it. The FD unionists on this blog like ” Disgusted” will do or say anything to justify their excessively high salaries and benefits. They will even attack the local county hospital, because it needs some of “their” money.

Now that is really disgusting.

The firefighter union needs to be kicked to the curb. It does not serve the interests of the taxpayers and those who need good, affordable, public service.

36 Always Right December 28, 2012 at 4:39 AM

Don P… You know I love you man but maybe you need some time off from our normal duty on claycord. You do seem to be taking this really hard. Let me know if you need to talk!

37 Don P December 28, 2012 at 4:45 AM

I’m sorry disgusted. It’s just a lot of these things were talking about I know close to nothing about. Like most of it I really only pay attention to when it’s posted on claycord. I never go to board meetings, I’m not sure where their held. I’m not even sure which way to pull too when the flashing red lights are be hind me let alone how to run a FD.

I do know how to blog though! Master blogger they call me at toastmasters!

38 Don P December 28, 2012 at 4:46 AM

I’m sorry disgusted. It’s just a lot of these things were talking about I know close to nothing about. Like most of it I really only pay attention to when it’s posted on claycord. I never go to board meetings, I’m not sure where their held. I’m not even sure which way to pull too when the flashing red lights are be hind me let alone how to run a FD.

I do know how to blog though! Master blogger they call me at toastmasters!

39 DoReMi December 28, 2012 at 5:37 AM

Mr. J. Thank you for your civil response. But I must remain true to my original sentiment. Property taxes may have been reduced from the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over inflated value of property from a few years ago. But. A responsible city manager understands that real estate bubbles burst. And. It still does not excuse the mad and constant increases in expenses. Also,

MY property taxes have not gone down. In fact they have increased, increasingly. For those of us that bought and stayed… surely there are more than just a few.

@ #25. You are a coward, as usual. Refusing to post under a name that everyone can recognize. You won’t invest in your comments because you know they are mean spirited and intended to divide the conversation into zero sum commentary. :-b……….

And again, this is not about the little people. The core of the problem is city managment, executive civil servants and pensioners that retire with a golden parachute. Cut THEIR wages. Surely the collective ‘THEY could do without 50 thousand or so from their $200,000.00 salaries. Booooooo.

40 Missy December 28, 2012 at 6:57 AM

Many of you are complaining about Measure Q and additional tales, but how many of you votes for Gov. Moonbeam’s tax plan? Its ridiculous thai his plan passed.

Im also astonished at the number of people on this site that hate police and fire, yet I’m sure you all expect them to respond when you call 911.

41 @Elwood December 28, 2012 at 7:35 AM

What your point miss lady??? We are grossly understaffed ie..Ive been at work since Dec 23 and am now only going home today the 28th. Mandatoried to be here. HOW WAS YOUR CHRISTMAS VACATION? MINE WAS AT WORK THANKS FOR ASKING. Closing stations is gonna eliminate OT. Whys is there so much you ask? It is much cheaper to pay OT than it is to hire a person and pay benefits.

There… that wasnt so hard. Why dont you come to a BOS meeting and you can learn all of this stuff. Or you can just sit back at the computer at the city library and pretent you have ANY clue whats going on..

Merry Quanza!

42 @DoReMi December 28, 2012 at 8:32 AM

My base salary take home is 4600. You want the facts. Here they are. I have been a firefighter for many years. Tell me about my $200,000 a year pay??? And if your talking about the people who sacraficed any time off for all the OT they want…Thats coming to an end with these closures. Even though its cheaper to pay OT than to hire.

$4600. TAKE HOME.

43 DoReMi December 28, 2012 at 8:34 AM

I too am just so frustrated with this whole econcomy. I was demoted at my job when these firefighters keep taking pay raises!!!! Im furious! Now their gonna close stations? I cant take it anymore. I want to move back to Utah!!!

44 Missy December 28, 2012 at 8:36 AM

@ Elwood, not sure if you are referring to me or not. My point is that people should have voted for Measure Q and not the Govenor’s plan. (Sorry about all the predictive text in my last post-stupid cell phone has a mind of it’s own sometimes). I’m on your side. My husband is a CCCFPD employee. And from the family’s side, it stinks when you are held on mandatory OT.

45 Don P... North Cawncord December 28, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Disgusted is so upset that we arent bowing down to the ff union he has to take time out of his hard “shift” at the firehouse to post under other peoples names. You guys must be REAL busy over there. Its probably really hard to squeeze in all that blog posting in between your meals, naps, video games, and safeway runs. How do u manage?

46 DoReMi December 28, 2012 at 10:22 AM

@ #42: My apologies in advance…You are getting burned buddy, comparatively.

The city managers and executives always pay themselves first. Your union bosses, and top BART civil servants are stealing you blind. My comments are never intended for the working class. Frankly, I am surprised that no one has taken up the banner to protest against Union, politicians and civil servant executives. Those are the thieves.

With a little tweeking, your pay can serve nicely but you will have to live as a middle class person (hmmmm, a lower middle class person?). No more pretenses at being a yuppie, mkay?

It’s folks like us, that are going to get sqashed in the next four years. I feel your pain.

47 DoReMi December 28, 2012 at 10:23 AM

@ #43: Even anon would be braver than using others name tags.

48 Always Right December 28, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Don P…. Read the facts just above. That should quiet you down!

49 Connie Dobbs December 28, 2012 at 11:00 AM

For those of you keeping score, we have one poster who hopes you suffer a tragedy, one poster who doesn’t wish you would have a heart atack, but it would reinforce her point if you did, and the Firefighters’ Business Agent keeping it classy. Oh, and a threat from an allegedly heroic First Responder.
Firefighter threads are Claycord at its finest.

50 Chevrolet girl December 28, 2012 at 11:12 AM

It amazes me how people think the fire fighters just sit around all day. All assumptions. You guys have no idea the training that takes place, in the classroom and in the academy, plus the paramedic training that is needed. They have chores to do all day an also keep up on their training. They don’t just sit around. My son has already blown thru 10,000 on classes and the academy and it will be another 11,000 for paramedic school. Right now he is driving an ambulance and helping idiots that shoot at firemen. But as much as you hate firefighters they will still respond and help you out whenever you need them. How much would you pay someone to go into a burning building to save your family? You should go thru what they do before you judge them. My husband missed Christmas with his family to volunteer to work for someone else so they could stay home with theirs. He has been gone for 6 days in a row, they miss out in a lot of things that you guys don’t!

51 Missy December 28, 2012 at 11:34 AM

@DoReMi…Raises??? Where are you getting your information??? Here’s the facts…CCCFPD gave up a 5% raise they were supposed to get January of 2011, then took two seperate 5% pay cuts since then, a total of 10% in cuts). In addition to that medical and retirement contributions(yes they do contribute to their medical and retirement.) have gone up, which takes away more from take home pay. These are facts, from my husband’s pay check. The only way salaries go over $100,000 or $200,000 is from mandatory OT, as stated by 42.

52 Randome Task December 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM

when the schools are threatened everyone votes to save the children when in fact they are lining the pockets of the losers who scammed away the money from the kids in the first place …lol…….as for the fire stations …get over it you voted and now you are crying and now all the other stations folks are jumping on board …where was this uproar when the vote was being put on the ballot …yeah they all thought they were sooo cool as to not have their stations close …..you voted and now you cry ….and waste all our time …..tell ya what start some bake sales and or fundraisers to help pay for your station ….or not and give it a rest ….hmmmmm maybe next time you will not be so inept and blinded …more likely not but worth a shot

53 old sage December 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Does anyone know what this closure will do to insurance rates?

54 Missy December 28, 2012 at 1:41 PM

If the protection class goes up, your insurance rates with go up. How much will depend upon that the protection class goes to. It’s now a 3, if it only goes to a 4, there probably won’t be a change. If it goes to a 5, however, there will be an increase.

55 Don P... North Cawncord December 28, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Missy

That pay cut is actually just 5%. The other 5% is not a cut but rather a cancellation of the next expected 5% raise. More ff fact twisting propoganda designed to guilt us into feeling sorry for them.

56 @donald p earl December 28, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Raises are negotiated and budgeted. When you give up current and future pay the employer doesn’t have to pay that money which means the employee doesn’t get what was agreed upon. That is a pay cut.

Again… $4600. Take home. How much would you like me to make. What’s the job of a firefighter worth?

57 Connie Dobbs December 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM

You take home $55,200 per year after taxes. If you and 9 of your buddies take home 5k less a year, that’s a whole other firefighter’s wages right there.

58 Connie Dobbs December 28, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Oh wait…I misread that. $4600. is not that much take home after you make your rent car payment and groceries. I guess what they do is very noble and I thought they were making much much more.

59 Tax Payer December 28, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Where are the (Save Our Downtown) Clayton people? They spend all kinds of money, put signs in their yards and on their cars over a church wanting to build downtown Clayton, but we hear NOTHING from the, when it comes to loosening lives.

60 chicken little December 28, 2012 at 8:15 PM

AMR handles 90% of the calls. contract Merry maids to do the house work. Get a few guys from Big bear car wash to Polish the truck. That’s 9% of the work. So you have 99% of the work covered. Now we need a guy on call to do the 1% left over shop at Safeway and wach porn on hacked tv.

61 Gym Rat December 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM

@Chicken Little
REALLY. I can’t believe what you post!! It really doesn’t dignify a reply. You have no idea! What do you do for a living?

62 The Truth December 28, 2012 at 11:06 PM

@ chicken little

ROTFLMAO!!!! That’s one funny post and very true!!!

63 The Truth December 28, 2012 at 11:08 PM

@ Chevrolet Girl:

Thanks for the post! Just confirms what many had suspected…that nepotism runs rampant in the FF ranks. You’re son will make his $$$ back once dad gets him in.

64 Connie Dobbs December 28, 2012 at 11:26 PM

#58 Some people manage to get along on a teensy bit over a third of that, but we’re not heroes.

65 It's karma deal with it December 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Steal a high school, lose a fire station. Perfectly legit to me. Stop whining.

66 Chevrolet girl December 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

@ the truth. Haha my post did not confirm anything about nepotism, my son has gone to school and worked for ambulance companies to earn his way. his dad pulls no rank regarding that. In fact when my son talks to other firemen he doesn’t say a word about his dad he wants to earn his way. He MIGHT earn his money back if he gets hired. Odds are stacked against him and with you closing fire stations he has even a lesser chance.

67 Big Dog December 30, 2012 at 5:11 PM

@Chicken Little – AMR is the “Contractor”, and can easily be and has been replaced in places like Alameda and Santa Clara Counties. Make no mistake, Contra Costa County Fire is here to stay and is the professional All Risk Organization that will continue to respond to Medical Emergencies as well as all other incident types. I can gurantee that porn is not watched in the Fire Stations, as you say, and that yes firefighters choose to eat healthy meals that they buy with their own money from a local grocery store. It is easy for you as an AMR Employee to sit on your key board and throw rocks, but in all honesty your management and co workers do not supprt your skewed ideas. You are probably the kind of EMT or Paramedic that has had many patient complaints for abuse of patients, and provide substandard patient care. That is the nice thing about having FIre Department Paramedics, they will not allow sub par care to citizens of the county, and are always the patient advocate against abusive medics like yourself. You truly are a Chicken and Little, because you refuse to give us your actual name. Wimp!

68 Chevrolet girl December 30, 2012 at 6:32 PM

@ chicken little…I hope when the fire dept shows up to help you when you are in need that you stop them and ask for someone from the car wash to administer any pain meds you might need. I respect the fact that everyone has an opinion for or against the fire dept. if it is a least an informed one. You are just full of chicken —-

69 chicken little December 31, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Blah blah blah. Come on in the days of hacked tv boxes almost every station in coco I would almost say all. stations had one. I like how you dog on AMR thinking I’m a EMT. Union thugs. bring on the Volunteers. You most likely are the kind of fireman that stands around while the EMT does CPR figuring out what the widow would take for the boat motor. Or the old mans guns. Tell me how that never happens…

70 Connie Dobbs December 31, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Why does it always end with “I hope your house burns down” or “I don’t hope you have a heart attack, but…” or “I hope you don’t get emergency medical services when you need them. And you will need them.” Just because you disagree? Is laying curses part of the training course?

Out here in the world, people are having their pay cut, and tomorrow all our taxes go up. If you are uncomfortable now explaining why you rate such lavish pay/benes to the people who pay them, wait until even more of us notice how much money you make.

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