Claycord Congressman George Miller – “….Millionaires Over the Middle Class”

December 10, 2012 8:20 am · 115 comments

George Miller is giving his opinion on taxes. Here’s a letter the local Congressman sent out late last week to everybody on his email list.

Dear Friends,

In response to my survey , 68 percent of you replied that Congress should only extend tax cuts to middle class families while letting rates for the wealthiest 2 percent of all Americans go up. In fact, national polls reflect the same view.

Unfortunately, not everyone in Congress is following your advice. That’s why I joined my fellow Democrats yesterday to try to force an up-or-down vote in the House to extend tax cuts for every single American family on their first $250,000 of income.

House Republicans are still blocking a bill that passed the Senate nearly six months ago to keep the lower tax rates for middle income families but allow rates to go up for the wealthiest Americans. President Obama strongly supports the bill, and so do I. But we need to force the Republicans to let us vote on it.

Will you tell House Republican leaders what saving $2,200 would mean to you and your family?

It’s crystal clear — the only thing standing in the way of your tax relief are Republicans in Congress and their incomprehensible position: Millionaires over the middle class.

The House should vote on extending middle class tax cuts now – before time runs out.

(Read more about the bill and the House Democrat’s procedural motion today .)

Sincerely,

GEORGE MILLER Member of Congress

CLAYCORD.com QUESTION: What are your thoughts on this letter from Congressman George Miller?

NOTE: Congressman Miller didn’t disclose how many people took the survey.

1 Gee, what a shock December 10, 2012 at 8:24 AM

68 percent of the people think somebody other than them should pay more taxes. The “rich” are outnumbered, so let’s just gang up on them.

2 Toni December 10, 2012 at 8:24 AM

The irony of all those who talk trash about the wealthy, would like to be wealthy themselves. However, it is so much easier to take the money from those who work hard, instead of working hard to have money. Why should anyone have to pay upwards of 50% of their income to the government? It is absolute insanity.

And, no I am not in the top 2%, nor in the $250,000 income category (interesting how that number continues to be reduced). My husband is a teacher, and we are a one-income family.

3 clonpet December 10, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Miller hs never done anything worthwhile . He’s a mouth piece for Pelosi, every time you see Pelosi on TV, Miller will be standing behind her. In all his years, he has done very little for COCO. Lets him pay his fair share, and quit trying to punish the hard working middle class and take more of their hard earned money.

4 Howard K Mullins III December 10, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Cleverly worded letter.

Tax rates need to be the same for everyone.

Punishing one segment of the population over another is wrong.

Blaming anyone other than themselves for problems is egotistical and junivil.

5 Concord Mike December 10, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Toni is right. Miller is just another Pelosi democrat trying to split this country along lines of class and race. Saddens me to see that people fall for this nonsense.

6 BlueJay December 10, 2012 at 8:39 AM

@ Toni

The problem with your argument is that most of the 2% don’t work hard for their money. Their income comes from investments, like the kind of investments Mitt probably made when KayBee toys went bankrupt and he made $60 million while the workers lost their jobs.

Most of the people on unemployment would love to work hard if only businesses with billions in cash reserves would spend some of their tax saving money on job creation.

7 ClayDen December 10, 2012 at 8:40 AM

“Seventy-three percent of the new civilian jobs created in the United States over the last five months are in government, according to official data published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In June, a total of 142,415,000 people were employed in the U.S, according to the BLS, including 19,938,000 who were employed by federal, state and local governments. By November, according to data BLS released today, the total number of people employed had climbed to 143,262,000, an overall increase of 847,000 in the six months since June. In the same five-month period since June, the number of people employed by government increased by 621,000 to 20,559,000. These 621,000 new government jobs created in the last five months equal 73.3 percent of the 847,000 new jobs created overall.”

We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Miller and the other Democrats just don’t get it. And, there aren’t enough rich people to make a difference, even if the government confiscated all of their wealth (which they could only do once).

8 John December 10, 2012 at 8:45 AM

27% of the country pays 99% of the tax revenue. What we’re seeing is the beginning of Deroit at the national level. Progressive policies are destroying our country. There will be no wealth left after it’s over and the middle class better get used to staying there or going down because the American dream of becoming wealthy and prosperous is dying before our very eyes.

I think the Congressman needs to be asked, “As you know, raising taxes on the wealthy and thinking it will have some sort of significant impact on the the debt and deficits is comical, yet it is your party’s #1 issue on the fiscal crisis. Why won’t you get serious about tackling our nation’s debt problem? The wealthy have NOTHING to do with it. You could tax them at 100% and it would barely scratch the surface of the real problems we have”

9 Cam December 10, 2012 at 8:45 AM

i think its really interesting how even in this, which is a well meaning letter, the derisive language of politics seeps in. i understand how republicans in many ways have been a stick in the mud for what democrats want to do, but haven’t democrats been just as bad to republicans. i think many people are no longer american, and are actually a republicans or a democrat and value that even higher. i think we need to reevaluate how we view politics and quit victimizing ourselves all the time

10 Howard K Mullins III December 10, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Wow, that was strange. Juvenile is the proper spelling. Comments went to moderation before I was ready. I must have hit a button wrong here.

Anyhow,

Congress, both houses, are failing the American people. Yet none of those politicians seem to care at all. I believe that its because they all have been in office far too long. Term limits are needed to keep people moving through congress rather than creating their little fiefdoms as they have now.

Both sides are in the wrong. Their ideas for a fix are weak. No one is willing to say out loud that America is in dire financial trouble and wake up the complacent to the fact that it gong to take huge spending cuts and tax increases to save the country.

The incredible incompetence of the government cannot change until the people living in front of their tv sets wake up. And that won’t happen anytime soon.

11 John December 10, 2012 at 8:52 AM

“The problem with your argument is that most of the 2% don’t work hard for their money.”

Absolute BS.

12 TinFoiler December 10, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Ever heard of the Boston Tea Party incident, Not to be confused with todays FAKE “tea party”. Take your rights back folks and tell Politicians to “READ YOUR LIPS”, and use a few expletives if needed!!!!
Taxes are already ridiculous, and did you have a say, did you vote on it last month? NO.
How are taxes levied? Oh yeah, Tax exempt “churches” are allowing this crime to continue using gawd as the authority on taxes.
How much of your hard earned dollars be enough, will 42% or maybe 65%, how about 79% ? Will you then lift a finger and open your mouths?

13 Anonymous December 10, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Miller’s letter is total B.S. – nothing more, nothing less.

14 The truth is . . . December 10, 2012 at 9:05 AM

he is full full of s*%t like the rest of the politicians. . .especially the lib dems . .lets see them jack up their tax percentage or take a major salary reduction . . yea right!

15 Travis Bickle December 10, 2012 at 9:05 AM

@BlueJay:

“The problem with your argument is that most of the 2% don’t work hard for their money.”

Source, please?

16 Judge Roy Bean December 10, 2012 at 9:06 AM

George is is a F’n socialist bastard…he is what you would call the bad gift that just keeps on giving….giving out your hard earned money.

17 Peabody December 10, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The problem is that people who don’t pay taxes are allowed to vote. They tend to vote for politicians who bribe them with welfare & think the answer to all problems is higher taxes. Us taxpayers are taxed when we earn the money, we are taxed when we spend the money & we are taxed when we die. We wind up keeping less than 50% of the money we make. Also our out of control government spends (wastes) more money than they take in, so they just keep demanding more, more, more. Government demanding more & more taxes……… There must be a solution. I know we faced a similar problem in the 1770’s and eventually rectified it in 1783.

18 Anon December 10, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Miller is a professional politician and by extension a lair. He should be voted out of office.

19 Antler December 10, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Congressman Miller proposes that the Congress vote only on this ONE facet of the situation…..whether or not to extend the tax cuts for the middle-class. In other words, he wants to suspend the partisan “only if you gimme this and that and something else”. They still would go on to discuss and vote on the other parts of the situation.

Right now, the Tea Party members in particular are still holding the middle class hostage in the debate. (Keep in mind that the upper 1% is made up of people who are MULTI-millionaires and even billionaires!)

Please, if you were to read more carefully, we could at least avoid some of the histrionics on here.

The survey came into the mailboxes of all who subscribe to the congressman’s email notifications. In other words, people of any, all, or no political parties were taking the survey.

20 Jeff December 10, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Miller – just SHUT UP already.

Talking just makes you look like a bigger idiot than you already are~

21 John A December 10, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Yeah, BlueJay is just plain wrong. The majority of those earning between $200K and $500K are professionals, who earn their income largely through W2s. Think lawyers, tax accountants, doctors, upper level managers.

22 WC44 December 10, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Taxes need to go up on more than just those over $250K, but I would also like to see him address the spending. The proposed tax increases are just $98 billion per year and our annual deficit is over $1trillion.

23 B December 10, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Facts

“83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.

66% of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.

Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.

For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.

In 1950, the ratio of the average executive’s paycheck to the average worker’s paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.

The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.

The top 1% of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America’s corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.

The top 10% of Americans now earn around 50% of our national income”

How dare we ask the top 2% to pay more!!! That’s just not fair! lol..

24 lincolnlog December 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Looking at the time most of the comments were made on this I would guess most of the commentators, like me, are not working. I’d like to hear from people out there working and making less than the 250K.

25 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Miller is Right. Last I checked, this country is a Democracy. Poll after poll show that the bill the Senate passed should be passed in the House. In fact, 68% would be on the low side from most polls I see. This is what most Americans, by far, want. They are our elected representatives and their job is to represent the will of the American people. Too often they do the opposite to appease their donors. What the democrats want to do is pass the tax cut for the lower 98% of Americans and allow the debate for the top 2% to continue. Regardless, Romney made it very clear the wealthy have many other tools available to them to reduce their tax burden. In fact, most of the very wealthy pay a FAR LOWER % of their income than the average American. Did you pay 13% last year? I paid more than that!

They defy us by going to wars most Americans oppose. They defy us by continuing the costly war on drugs most Americans now oppose (specifically by not allowing medical marijuana industries to operate freely), they defy us with over reaching breaches into our privacy and freedom of speech time and time again. I don’t care what people on this right wing blog say. The American people have spoken. Do the f%*k what we say. If we go over the fiscal cliff, which we likely will, It will mean a democratic landslide in the mid-term election and the end of the retards at the TEA party.. Fine with me.

26 happysmasher December 10, 2012 at 9:42 AM

If he feels so strongly about it, why does he cling to his money and investments? Lead by example.. lets see Miller reduce himself to s middle class income and all the taxes that we already have on our plate. He isn’t fooling anyone.. taxing the rich, increases the expenses of the middle class. You really think the rich will simply pay more taxes and not charge the consumer more at the grocery store, department store or the gas pump. Are you not considering that the rich actually make money, not all of them had it passed down.

27 Chuckie's Wife December 10, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Miller is an idiot. He’s never held a real paying job and wouldn’t know what to do with himself, were he not re-elected over and over again.

I think we should have a flat tax. Let everyone pay the same rate. That’s fair. Those that are on welfare should pay at least $1/month.

The marriage penalty should be eliminated.

The death tax should be eliminated.

As for Miller’s letter, like a typical spineless politician, he neglected to mention that the Democrats continue to refuse to negotiate. The Republicans are willing to agree to tax hikes “for the rich”, IF the Dems will agree to severe cuts in entitlement programs. They are not, so who is really not willing to negotiate? Yep, you guessed it. Our illustrious Prez and his cronies.

28 Em Dubya December 10, 2012 at 9:48 AM

My business was just sold. I am grateful for the windfall income however I will be paying about $500,000 in taxes thanks to all of the “fair share” taxes now placed on me. If not for my tax attorney, my effective tax rate would have been 85% thanks to punitive pieces of our tax code that most people are unaware of.

In the end I will have only a fraction left in the bank for myself. With the ever increasing prices for food, fuel, and everyday living, my “wealth” is little more than a safety net.

Miller has been my Rep since the 1970’s. I receive his crummy email letters and want to gag. I am so frustrated at the insane attitudes toward success, frugality, and hard work coming out of our Government and so many citizens.

29 ClayDen December 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM

No representation without taxation! Everybody should pay Federal taxes, as everybody is benefiting from the government. If you receive more in payments than you pay in taxws, you should not be allowed to vots. That would solve the problem of people like Miller “representing” us. We have to get back to Constitutional principles for the role fo government. There is such an expansion of government, the founders would not recognize the country. The number one role of government must be to provide for the common defense. Providing for the means of commerce and basic domestic protection and a framework for a civil society as well. Not much else should be done by the Federal Government. If the states want to do more, then they can. When the country was founded, there wasn’t even a federal income tax. I realize we need some, but only that commensurate with the proper role of government.

Just say no to Socialism/Fascism; throw the Democrats out.

30 Han Solo December 10, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Hey King George
You could run all the government for 12 days on those taxes on the top 2%.
Why don’t you get real and make some spending cuts.

31 Captain Bebops December 10, 2012 at 9:57 AM

My, my, American is filled with biological androids who are mindless shills for the rich. They can’t even define capitalism and think Bill Gates must have “worked hard” for his money (he would have been a constant blur if that were true). It’s all about luck not “working hard.” Now go buy your weekly lottery ticket which is why you defend the rich because you “just know” you are going to win this week, become a millionaire and you don’t want to pay more in taxes.

32 stan December 10, 2012 at 10:01 AM

I love the way they keep throwing around that top 2% BS, $250,000 annually does not make you a millionaire or a billionaire who is doing the math in Washington. These people are not stable, Pelosi said herself that we need to increase welfare to reduce unemployment; To this day I have never been given a job by a welfare recipient. The problem is we have enough people who keep voting for these idiots. How long has it been for Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, just take a look at California, the worst run state in the country for 3 years now? The definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and over expecting a different result. This state of California is full of insane liberals; a conservative person in California is a endangered species and should be protected under the endangered species act.

33 Spending Cuts December 10, 2012 at 10:22 AM

What % make more than 250K in George Miller’s district? I’m thinking it’s around 99% do not make more than 250K.

34 Jane December 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM

This is yet another example of someone that doesn’t understand who is hiring people in this country. If we overtax those that create jobs they will hire fewer people to work for them and they will lay off some that already do! It’s pretty simple economics.

35 Up yours George ! December 10, 2012 at 10:29 AM

You’re full of sh*t. We see through your lies. How ironic… You blame House Republicans for blocking 2,200 in savings per family LOL

Conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) are the only ones who fight to save us money. You are a thief and take take take…….

36 a monument resident December 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I think this is one reason why only those with money were allowed to own guns back home. A gun is like a vote when voting fails. Had the government failed perhaps the poor masses would have overpowered those in their way and gone to communism if they had equal firepower and much greater numbers.

But really, having been poor my whole life, higher taxes on money earned over 250,000 doesn’t put me off from trying to get rich myself. I don’t get welfare either.

By the way, you don’t get rich through hard work. You do it through smart work. Do something that few or no others can do. Working extra shifts at the day labor center won’t get you rich. Going to dvc computer labs and using their equipment to learn stuff like AutoCAD between shifts might help.

37 ANNON December 10, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Miller is a crooked as they come!!!!

38 Mr. Monopoly December 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Go ahead & raise my taxes. I won’t be able to expand the business as I planned to & I won’t need to hire more employees. I will still need to make a reasonable profit & will have to raise the prices of the products I produce (guess who gets to pay for that?). Lastly, I may just move my company to a more business friendly state. Maybe just say “Screw It!” and close my doors, retire in Mexico. Go ahead & raise my taxes.

39 RunnerDope December 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM

The top Federal tax rate has declined from about 70% in 1960 to about 35% in 2005, while effective rates for the middle class have remained constant over the same period. The disparity in income and wealth between the top 2% and the average worker has also widened during that same period. Since the wealthy have benefited greatly during the time that the deficit has grown, shouldn’t they be expected to help reduce it? The suggestion is to increase the top rate from 35 to 39.6%, which is still low by historical standards.

40 Jim December 10, 2012 at 10:38 AM

@ Shuley…where was your outrage when 68% of Californians opposed the bullet train?, which will bankrupt California if it ever get off the ground completely…the figures they have put forth are about 50% of the actual cost…nothing EVER costs what the governamt says it will cost, whether it’s the state or the Feds…you mentioned about wars no one wanted and yet there’s no outrage, no coverage of 4 americans killed by terrorists and the cover-up that followed, or was it simply a “misunderstanding” of the facts?….and they no who did it….Yes the dems passed a proposal, do you know what the other side of it is?…the media only covers the proposal to raise taxes they refuse to show the other side…you know the side where they cut spending…why?… maybe because they know that the cuts do nothing to curb spending…and what about these new additions the dems have suddenly added…I have found no one that supports giving Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling whenever he so choses and yet he’s added that as a condition that wasn’t there 6 months ago….he will not show restraint as he has shown none in 4 years…and don’t give me that crap about it’s George Bush’s problems…it’s been 4 years and he has spent more that Bush on any war in 8 years….So yeah ,tax the rich and in a year when we are at a cross roads and need to raise it again and this time it will be the middle class because the math doesn’t work on just taxing the rich, will you still be part of that 68%?

41 Pyrrhus December 10, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Imagine if our tax rates were back to the levels they were in the 50’s to 70’s. I bet you all would have aneurysms. History has proven that low tax rates for the rich does absolutely nothing for the economy.

The problem with our government spending is that we are spending it on the wrong things. We need to invest in technology, infrastructure, and education. Instead we keep pumping more and more money into a military that outspends the next largest military 6 to 1.

42 Scooter December 10, 2012 at 10:42 AM

@ John A

BlueJay is not plain wrong. Those earning $500,000 a year are nowhere near the top 2%.

43 Hey Geroge December 10, 2012 at 10:43 AM

George, after you get the tax hike on the 2% to run the governement finances for 8 & 1/2 days, whats your plan for the other 356 & 1/2 days?
What about the rest of you that think somebody elses money is yours?
Let’s seize their luxury homes and nationalize all their assets for being successful. Sorry that was tried in other countries before and didn’ work either.
Beware what you ask for, you will most likely be next.

44 @Peabody December 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM

“The problem is that people who don’t pay taxes are allowed to vote.”

No, the problem is that the rich can buy politicians to do their bidding.
BTW, where in the Constitution does it say you have to pay taxes to vote?

45 anonmtz..... December 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM

“George… December 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM 208
Dear Friends,”

Interesting that Congressman Miller’s letter/email was posted to the Politics blog last week and none of you commented. Today it is a big deal. Must be something in this mornings Tea?

46 BagsFlyFree December 10, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Georgie, please stop with all the party line shenanigans… You’ve been in Congress long enough to fight tooth and nail for keeping a balanced budget while keeping taxes low.. You’ve failed us by not influencing your party to think about fighting our deficit while padding their own interests.. Your voice is old and you need to be termed out. Dont blame Republicans for this problem, look in the mirror.

47 Hey George December 10, 2012 at 11:09 AM

@Bluejay #6
What about Nobama’s buddy investors at Solyndra? Not only were they put in front of any monies before our $500 million dollar of our taxes were invested, they were paid out bonuses AFTER bankruptcy, (15 of the 20 making more than 100K a year. Then Nobama gave those investors a $350 Million dollar tax loss carry forward, (an exemption from paying that amount of future taxes
What about Government Motors that Nobama screwed Billions of dollar of shareholders and bondholders and gave the “new” corporation to his union buddies along with a 45 Billion Dollar tax loss carry forward. They too gave themselves bonuses while we are still stuck holding the bag of stock at a 16 Billion dollar loss.
Do you think that these investors should pay there fair share?
Pales in comparison to anything Mitt or Bain Capitol ever did but you think Nobama is your tax the rich Guru.

48 KJ December 10, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I’m just curious: How many of those who want to see only spending cuts would be willing to see major cuts to the Departments of Defense, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Homeland Security?

I believe there is a bill before Congress (or maybe it actually passed) ordering all the military departments to pass an audit; none of them have never been able to do that, which has always made me wonder about the amount of waste and fraud that must be taking place.

49 Blue Trash December 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM

George Miller is an Elitist One Percenter. I roll my eyes when these guys try to appeal to us Wage Slaves. When’s the last time Georgie Boy shopped at Dollar Tree and used an outhouse on a construction site?

50 @Shuley December 10, 2012 at 11:35 AM

We are not a Democracy. Look it up.

You are stupid. Shut up.

51 anon December 10, 2012 at 11:36 AM

It’s not a tax increase for the 2%, it’s just moving it back to where it was before GWB temporarily reduced them. Really they should raise it to what it was in the 50 and 60’s, 50-72%. That’s when we built our infrastructure, had the best schools, sent a man to the moon, and the economy was prospering. They 2% don’t create jobs, just waste.

52 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 11:36 AM

@Jeff Proposition 1A, the bullet train vote, passed 53%-47%. So, we voted on that one and it passed. However, I voted against it because I thought it was too costly an idea. However, I believe in democracy so I took it for what it was. A loss. Although NOW people are against it because that was right about when the recession hit, I don’t believe the legislature should have the power to overturn a popular vote.

As for the debt ceiling issue. The media is definitely covering this. Not sure why you think media isn’t covering that or Benghazi (although that has nothing to do with this, you just wanted to bring it up. It’s been all over the press. Remember, BUSH wanted this power and Mitch McConnell was the first one to come up with that idea. Does it matter? Will Obama be able to go on a spending spree if he has the power to raise the debt ceiling? No. Obama cannot spend a DIME. Congress has the sole power of actually spending any money. The GOP is brainwashing you and it’s lemmings to make you think Obama will spend spend spend if he can raise the debt limit./ Congress is the only one who can spend.

And your assertion that Obama has spent more than Bush is 100% FALSE. Bush left us with a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit and a massive recession blooming. Almost all of our deficit can be attributed to Bush Tax cuts (he didn’t account for them), Bush wars (he didn’t account for them), Bush prescription drug plan (he didn’t account for it), and very reduced revenues due to the recession. About 15% of our debt is new spending.. And when you are going through a recession, that is hardly the time to cut back as a government as it adds to the recession – maybe you should read up on the great depression.

53 Captain Bebops December 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Small business people are the “jobs creators”. Let’s not put the selfish rich on that pedestal. The latter creates jobs, outside the country. Small business people can spend years with their take home pay not being above $250K. They may also hire employees. Being small they have the time and can afford the risk to innovate (remember that). Big companies with their slacker CEOs who get to take home millions in bonuses and severance pay (being rewarded for driving the company into the ground) aren’t particularly doing much good for the US. Tax people taking home $1 million a year at 91% like what we had with that Republican President Eisenhower.

(Your economics 101 lesson for today)

54 DD December 10, 2012 at 11:39 AM

The key problem with taxing the wealthy is that the wealthy generally have an army of accountants and tax attourney’s who figure out ways to weasel out of said taxes. Middle class schmo’s like myself can’t afford them

55 ClayDen December 10, 2012 at 11:39 AM

@44

And the unions (especially SEIU) don’t buy votes? The Democrat Party is a wholely owned subsidiary of the labor unions.

It doesn’t specifiy in the Constitution that you need to pay taxes to vote. However due to the irresponsibility of Congress, we need to amend the Constitution to make it so. We are at a tipping point where there are about the same number of people in the wagon as there are pulling it. Unless we have conservatives in control of all three branches of government, the change is necessary to ensure the survival of the country.

56 Anon December 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Although many say it is not on the table at this time, good ol’ George also came up and presented the crazy idea that 401K investments should be taken over by the government so they can tax and collect %. The scheme went something like this:

Government pays the value of your 401K as of specific date in 2008.
You then earn 5% per year
Government gets 3% of the 5%

UNBELIEVABLE he was voted back in. You are a moron if you voted for this worthless politician.

57 sfsean December 10, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Let’s see, a man who inherited his office from his father. A man who became wealthy after obtaining office. A man who has a lifetime pension and 100% medical coverage for the rest of his life paif for by the US taxpayers is badmouthing the GOP on behalf of the middle class? Really? I’ve never heard of Miller coming to Clayton and speaking to me and my neighbors. He doesn’t have to because the sheep keep reeelcting him. Miller can pound sand. What an ignorant and arrogant jerk!

58 joe December 10, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Soon the politicians will say that we need ti raise taxes on people making $30, 000 a year.

59 Anon December 10, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Obama does not want to compromise, he wants to go over the fiscal cliff. That is why he has not proposed anything new, only the same budget that had no votes by the DEMOCRATIC Senate and the House.

If we go over the cliff, what happens? Deep cuts to the military (democrats want this), all taxes will go up (only revenue democrats want), plus lots of other cuts to services/programs. Obama can then give the middle class back the tax cut they had, and say he gave us new tax cuts, and saved the middle class. He can reverse only the cuts he doesn’t agree with, add new taxes to cover those reversals, then go out and preach about all the good he has done.

When, as a leader, he has failed miserably. It’s the President who is not willing to compromise, not Congress or Republicans. He has no desire to work with the other side, it’s his way or the highway.

60 @ClayDen December 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM

“Unless we have conservatives in control of all three branches of government, the change is necessary to ensure the survival of the country.”

W had the House 6 years and the Senate 4 years, and what did they do? They ran up spending and the deficit more than any Democrat in history.

61 Hey George December 10, 2012 at 11:58 AM

@Shuley #25
At last look, the Governments of Venezuela, Russia, The UN Non Member State of Palestine, Egypt and even Iran all have elected leadership. So much for that.
The Majority of the voters in 2012 Elections voted to maintain the Status Quo between the White House, Senate and the House of Representatives so they are doing what the f%*k we elected them for or is your vote the only one that counts as the majority?
With our vote comes responsibility and knowledge of what you are voting for. When 17% of the country has disapproval of the Congress of the US, why are they still re-elected?
My Father taught me that you do not go to the store and buy a gallon of milk with a percentage, you need money. The top 2% already supplies more than 50% of the money, regardless of tax level.
As I remember, the wars were approved by the vast majority of congress, (Barbara Lee was the only one in the house) and contrary to his statements in the debates, Biden voted for both,(it is in the congressional record) There is your democracy at work.
Marijuana is illegal by Federal Law. States cannot write laws that supercede Federal Law, so says the Constitution. How many Congressional Democrats have introduced legislation to decriminalize Marijuana to sastify the needs of the States? Can California by democratic vote do away with Federal Income Taxes?
You are correct, the American people have spoken. They have voted to put us into the political situation we are in right now. It is up to both parties to find common ground, not one dictating its demands to the other with us paying the price for there partisanship attitudes. I will not use the reprehensible adjective that you described the Tea Party with since those poor souls were born that way, not of their own accord. If we go off the “Fiscal Cliff” is was due to the irresponbile and uneducated majority that voted for the current situation. There is no other excuse.

62 KJ December 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM

ClayDen #55 — “It doesn’t specifiy in the Constitution that you need to pay taxes to vote…we need to amend the Constitution to make it so.”

You’re kidding right?! Do you really believe someone who has lost their job and has been out of work for a year or more, and thus has no income on which to pay taxes, should be disenfranchised?

Why not amend the Constitution to say only people born with “silver spoons in their mouths” are eligible to vote?

63 Parsnip December 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

This drivel was sent to everyone on his email list? Doesn’t have much of an email list, does he? (Incidentally, I’m an Independent. I get his stupid Robocalls, but not his junk, er, email — therefore, I’m not one of his claimed percentage.)

64 Slugga December 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Yes, we are officially going communist if we raise the rates on the top bracket from 36 to 39.6%. A rate, by the way, the was at 70% under Nixon and 91% throughout the Eisenhower years. On top of this, there are so many loopholes that the wealthiest Americans and the biggest corporations often pay a fraction of the percent the average American household pays.

65 Toni December 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM

@ BlueJay: You stated, “most of the 2% don’t work hard for their money. Their income comes from investments, like the kind of investments Mitt probably made when Kay Bee toys went bankrupt and he made $60 million while the workers lost their jobs.”

Oh, really? So, the top 2% just sit lazily around, and the money just rolls in? I submit that most executives work long hours, and work hard for their money. If they don’t, that money isn’t going to continue to roll in. And, even if they didn’t work hard, how is that your business? What is it to you?

66 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Sorry @ Jeff should be @ Jim (this isn’t a gun thread)

67 DoReMi December 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I would like to remind you that it’s the rich people who hire you.

Once upon a time when life, the rich people provided health care, vacation and bonus to reward their employees. This was common.

What happened?

Once upon a time most folks could afford to buy a house, feed their kids and keep a wife at home. Now, In the Bay Area, this is considered abnormal.

What happened? A few things.

68 John December 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Wealth is not a zero sum game. I don’t care how rich the top 2% are. It has absolutely no bearing on everyone else’s ability to create wealth. Liberals commonly believe in class envy because they don’t understand the simple concept that wealth is CREATED not moved around.

69 speedy December 10, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Typical demo stand. Let’s give, give, give and then let someone else pay for the takers. Tax and spend….
Once they start raiding one segment of our scociety for addtl. funding they will never stop. Where are the cut backs???? They are a pathtic bunch along with miller……

70 Howard K Mullins III December 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM

@ Slugga

We are already “officially going communist” no matter what taxes become.

The constant restraint of freedoms and the unimaginable, unrepayable debt from reckless entitlement spending have already forces the USA into a third world type nation.

Those of you who don’t believe that its already to late to recover are merely living the dream of denial.

71 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM

@ George, the marijuana legalization bill HR 2306 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2306) was introduced by REPUBLICAN Ron Paul and co sponsored by Congressman Frank and was immediately sent to committee (essentially killing it). And I am not just talking about votes. Polls are important as Americans do not vote on issues affecting the Nation as a whole like they do in states. When more than 70% of Americans approve of Medical Marijuana legalization and the Congress does not enact it, it is obvious they do so because their donors (pharma, timber, drug enforcement, prison complex, etc)

Where are you getting your information? Most Democrats in the house voted against the Iraq Resolution, and technically, it was not a war authorization anyways.

I agree we should not keep reelecting these imbeciles. I have not voted for an incumbent in the US Senate or House in a long time. And I didn’t vote for Obama..

72 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 12:42 PM

@ Howard –

Ironic that when actually WERE fighting communism, the top tax rate was 3X what it is now.

73 Alviso December 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM

CUT SPENDING! 10% annually for 5 years on Section 8, EBT and all other handout programs.
Once again, this is probably all Bush’s fault, Huh? Miller you are worthless.

74 Flavor Flave December 10, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Miller is a tool.
It’s a spending problem, not an income problem.
We run a $1+ trillion deficit.
Social Security and Medicare are unfunded by $86 Trillion.
We owe $13 trillion back on the Treasury Bonds that we floated.

You could tax everyone 100% and still not have enough $.

Get real and cut spending!

75 Jeff December 10, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Gee, thanks for the correction, Shuley.

However, on your points – you’re still wrong!

:-)

We’ll argue this another time…

76 anonymous December 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Poor George. A big, nobody blabbermouth

77 Chuckie the Troll December 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM

When the congressman who kited checks on his personal account with the Congressional Bank awhile ago talk money, I hide my wallet.

I want to know the SPECIFIC budget cuts Miller and the Democrats are proposing. The national debt (this year and the total amount due) won’t be solved with a “soak the rich” tax.

When I see a Democrat budget (we have never had an Obama budget!) then I’ll evaluate the proposals of both camps.

78 The Professor December 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I think we need a proposition on the ballot that states “We increase the taxes on the other guy.” Don’t define “other guy” or how much. The idiots in this state would pass it overwhelmingly if they thought that their taxes stayed low.

Heck, we might even balance the budget this way!

79 Don't Censor Me Bro December 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM

@SHULEY #25, Nope — we are a Constitutional Republic.

80 Peabody December 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM

#44 “where in the Constitution does it say you have to pay taxes to vote?”

It does not say that, but maybe it should.

Originally only Freeholders were allowed to vote .Colonists believed only Freeholders should vote because only they had a permanent stake in the stability of society. Freeholders also paid the bulk of the taxes. Other persons, as the famous English lawyer William Blackstone put it, “are in so mean a situation as to be esteemed to have no will of their own.”

That makes sense to me. Let the people who pay the taxes elect the officials they want to represent them. People who don’t pay taxes should have no voice on how the money is spent or they will just vote for the one who promises to keep raising taxes & keep providing handouts ( as happened in the Presidential election of 2012).

81 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM

@ Alviso And what do you propose we do with the other 99.5% of what we spend our money on? Go after PBS next?

82 Elwood December 10, 2012 at 1:07 PM

POS Miller has been dining at the public trough for 38 years. He has never had a real job in his life. Were it not for his overly generous pension, if he was voted out the dumb SOB would starve to death.

Congressional term limits, anyone?

83 @elwood December 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM

You need a new line. Got anything else.

84 Screwy Louie December 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Theres a way to slide the scale to reduce the tax burden and stimulate the economy. Trying to tell the Re-dumb-licans to help achieve this is a waste of time. Wah wah…let em whine. Their demographic is dying off and their 19th century wisdom will turn their party into a 21st century punch line.
Just let ‘em kill themselves…should’nt take long.

85 Anon December 10, 2012 at 1:24 PM

*popcorn*

86 ClayDen December 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM

@60

W was not a conservative.

87 Elwood December 10, 2012 at 1:44 PM

@ @elwood #83

Here’s a new line:

If Nancy were to stop suddenly, dumb POS Miller would suffocate to death.

88 serious December 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

All 12 republicans in Claycord are making their voice heard !

89 serious December 10, 2012 at 2:02 PM

You people are seriously questioning his poll numbers? He just got 70% of the vote in his congressional election. haha

90 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM

We were on pace towards a half trillion dollar SURPLUS with a DEMOCRAT in office. 8 years later, 1.3 Trillion dollar deficit after a GOP President. FACT

Another Fact is that the deficit has been SHRINKING under Obama and is projected to continue shrinking. Which is a near miracle considering the state of the economy. Few economists would have said it was possible to end a recession and reduce the deficit simultaneously.

If you look at the federal deficit v. GDP, it was much worse post WW2. How did we fix it? We raised taxes on everyone, especially the wealthy. And we erased the deficit. So, figure it out. Waaaah! another 4% and people are freaking out. Idiotic..

91 Futurama December 10, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I blame the American people for being to fat and lazy to break out the guillotines.

92 Elwood December 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM

“You people are seriously questioning his poll numbers? He just got 70% of the vote in his congressional election. haha”

Yes and Miller is still a POS and the voters are stuck on stupid.

So, what else is new?

93 Scooter December 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM

@ Toni. You stated “However, it is so much easier to take the money from those who work hard, instead of working hard to have money. Why should anyone have to pay upwards of 50% of their income to the government? It is absolute insanity.”

How is that your business? What is it to you?

Seems to me that the pot is calling the kettle black.

94 ClayDen December 10, 2012 at 3:15 PM

I miss having Bill Baker as my congressman. A right thinker in CoCo County!

95 Em Dubya December 10, 2012 at 3:16 PM

For those of you expressing frustration with Miller, I suggest you email him.

I have had many debates with his staff in response to his dopey email campaigns. His staff pretty quickly runs out of good arguments or a sound legal basis for their Machiavellian views. It can be a very entertaining antidote to the frustration.

96 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 3:30 PM

And to the retards who say we are not a democracy. Look in a mirror. A Constitutional Republic, by definition is a FORM of a liberal democracy.

97 @Shuley December 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Oh. Good ! You looked it up. Yes, we are a Republic. The Constitution does NOT provide for a Democracy. Big difference.

Now that you know that, how about researching the rest of the babble you’ve been posting ?

You’re the tard.

Let’s see……. “Another Fact is that the deficit has been SHRINKING under Obama and is projected to continue shrinking”

Shrank down from what?
It shrank down from the ridiculously high levels that Obama increased it to in the previous years. Even after this small cut it is still much much higher than ever before. Any cuts that were made can be credited to the Tea Party guys in congress and public pressure to reduce spending. Not something Obama was trying to do. Obama wanted more increases, but they could not pass congress.

The deficit is different from the debt. The debit is still growing at record pace under Obama.

I’m happy to tear your flawed thinking to shreds piece by piece. It’s easy to do with a tard like you.

98 bumper December 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Cut spending before any tax hike.

99 Huh? December 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Miller is an idiot!
I just hope he reads all these comments…..

100 Elwood December 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Please don’t call Shuley a tard.

It’s disrespectful to tards.

101 Stupid Will Hurt December 10, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Be careful what you wish for demotards- the last time you all fell in love with a president and his “tax the rich” scheme it was Bill Clinton and his Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.

Turned out that “the rich” included folks making down to $25,000 per year, as folks down to that level of income had their taxes increased.

He also jacked up taxes on Social Security recipients- they’re “the rich” too?

What makes you think that Obama is being any more honest with you?

102 Stupid Will Hurt December 10, 2012 at 5:20 PM

BTW- George Miller supported, and voted for, that “tax the rich” deceit as well.

What makes you think that Miller is being honest now when he lied about who was getting screwed last time?

103 Travis Bickle December 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM

@Shuley #96 and @Shuley #97:

“Retards”? Nice. What a couple of asshats. Why don’t you just call someone a f***got next time?

104 lol December 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Why don’t we just do both to fix this problem? Cut spending and raise taxes? Eliminate all handouts and increase taxes on income over 250k? I think that would be fair cause the debt is everyone’s problem.

105 Gjets December 10, 2012 at 6:25 PM

what an old dinosaur he is, retire already before you need a walker, oh ya, hit the gym and not ur chair at work

106 Shuley December 10, 2012 at 8:21 PM

@ Coward with no Handle #97

Nope, you are wrong. We are a Democratic Nation. A Democracy. Fact. Sorry to make you feel stupid.

And the federal deficit has shrunk every year since Obama took office. Bush more than doubled it in his last year, and left a GOP gift of a stinking 1.4 Trillion. (I’m sure you voted for that idiot). And it will be under a trillion next year. Obama has not increased the deficit. It was as high as it’s ever been when he inherited the Bush mess. If the GOP can pull their heads out of there asses and just do what American overwhelmingly want them to do, it will be almost gone by the time Obama leaves. Hopefully, Americans won’t elect another GOP douche to screw up what the Democrats have fixed…again.

I know that a deficit isn’t the same thing as Debt. No shit sherlock – but gee, thanks! And the crap you are making up about TEA party being the only thing that has reduced spending. Are you friggin nuts? the TEA party has helped zero.. zilch Nada. Which is why so many lost their seats this term. Maybe you should just try and read up a little before posting your nonsense. Try this, turn off Hannity/Limbaugh/Beck and go to school. Take a class. Read a book. Join the rest of us in a civilized educated society.. good luck with that!!

107 Steve December 10, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Nice…..

The comments started on a has-been politician that has never held a real job, and now it’s turning into personal attacks on each other.

You all re-elected the idiot – now live with it.

108 Travis Bickle December 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM

@Shuley:

“Take a class. Read a book. Join the rest of us in a civilized educated society.. good luck with that!!”

If that society uses the word “retard” to insult people, truly civilized, educated people will opt out. Your credibility is for shit.

109 George van richt December 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

George Miller is worthless man. I heard him speak several times and what a self righteous s o b. so out of touch with the American people. He only gets elected because of his union vote.

110 Safety Second December 10, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Hey George, how come your exempt from Obamacare? Oh, and why are you NOT subject to social security taxes? And George, How is it you get reelected when this fiscal nightmare happened on your watch? Oh, and one last thing George, Why aren’t you being honest with the middle class? You know you’re going after them because the rich people don’t have enough money to pay off all the debt you’ve created.

111 @Shuley December 10, 2012 at 10:22 PM

You are delusional. I hope you can handle the fallout. Not really.

@Everyone else…… Batten down the hatches. If potus gets his way, he’ll have us all in chains. Sound ironic Mr. Biden?

112 PinoirDog @ Lincolnlog December 11, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Lincolnlog (24) – I make $80k a year with a nice benefits package, pensj-ion, dental, health,, etc With our second income, we probably NET about a little less than that $80k.

I am a registered Democrat but seriously thinking about changing my affiliation. I believe in some policies of the Dems and some of the Repub – but not the total party line of either party.. Each party has it right only part time.

Firmly believe that the $250k limit may be too low, and think definitely $400k – $500k is more realistic, in that if you have two incomes and three – four children, a big portion of that $250k is being eaten up by living expenses.

But that $250k has not been detailed – I want to know if it’s net or gross. Anyone know? If it’s gross, you have a whole lot of business owners who are going to get lumped into that $250k.

113 Steve December 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM

That survey was worthless – there are MANY more options other than the three that will “guide” the opinions to what he wants (and can therefore demonstrate what everyone wants).

What a worthless POS. Thanks for re-electing him.

And don’t call him a moron – that’s an insult to morons everywhere.

114 Hey George December 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM

@shuley #71
I would hardly call the RINO Ron Paul your typical Republican, but ok 1 time a Democrat co sponsored a marijuana legalization bill.
That one bill is the same as the 420 House Approved Bills sent to the Senate that Senator Reid has never allowed to be brought to the floor. Polls are not as important as you claim. They can be very biased and totally wrong. Look at the Romney Polls of 2012 if you don’t believe it. Voters need to actually look at the facts and figures before voting based upon others poll opinions. Regadless of polls, there are 34 States that your Majority theory have rejected Gay Marriage, yet the Minority rejects your Majority Theory.
You are correct on the Irag Resolution, but the Afghanistan Resolution was 420 Yea, 1 Nay,( Barbara Lee) and 10 No Votes. I believe the last time Congress was this bipartisan was on Nobama’s last and current Budget. 0 Yeas, 432 Nays for the house and 0 yeas, 99 Nays, (the Jr Senator from Illinois was in the hospital at the time). However, we were both wrong using the plural “WARS” in our statements.
Glad to see we agree on the morons currently in the Congress. Even though your important Polls show that 83% of Americans disapprorve of the imbeciles in Congress, your Majority basicall put them all back into office.
Sucks to be a Minority, doesn’t it.

115 Cruella December 12, 2012 at 5:28 AM

I’m for an across the board flat income tax, no write-offs. More importantly, if you did not pay any taxes, you are not “entitled” to receive a tax return.

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