The WC – Stores Open on Thanksgiving

November 19, 2012 12:00 pm · 80 comments

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Wal-Mart and several other stores announced they plan to start their holiday sales at 8pm on Thanksgiving. Do you think this will cause trouble with families, since many people will choose shopping over spending time with relatives?

Talk about it….

Anon November 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Anyone who chooses shopping over time with family is hugely flawed, so fine let ’em go! Bye Bye! More pie without you!

I did Black Friday once. Once. Not worth dealing with the lunatics.

Jorge November 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM

It’ll only cause problems in families that have problems.

We already ARE a consummerist society November 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Of course many people will choose to shop. This is the America we cultivated and encouraged. Sad as it is…I don’t see the community trying to stop it. I feel bad for the retail worker who doesn’t get the choice of time off.

I think only drug stores should be open November 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I think that any employee who wants to spend Thanksgiving with family should be able to do so. I think that the only store that should be left open is a drugstore, with a minimal crew of those who don’t mind, and who get extra compensation for working a holiday. The reason I say a drugstore, is so that if someone in an emergency needs something, they can get it. It used to be that Thrifty’s was open on holidays – I don’t remember whether Long’s was.

Pleasant Jenny November 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Some people don’t need an excuse. For example, my ex-husband and my sister’s ex-husband would take off around that time to hit the titty bars. We didn’t mind at all 😉

Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Actually, retailers are on edge as people are no longer choosing shopping over families for shopping. The sales start long before Thanksgiving, there’s the convenience of the Internet, earlier/longer hours, etc.

The part that bothers me is that the few stores taking part is this “Thanksgiving Day” sale nonsense don’t give a bleep about their employees. I’m not participating in that especially considering I don’t go the day AFTER Thanksgiving.

Marty McFly November 19, 2012 at 12:25 PM

So are the stores forcing people to shop? Sounds like if people are choosing to shop over their families, it says more about those people and how they value their familes. Now stores being open on Thanksgiving, and having their employess work thus taking them away from their familes, now that’s a bigger issue.

madeinthebay November 19, 2012 at 12:29 PM

So much for a black FRIDAY. This is ridiculous! Stores should not stay open. That is definitely not fair for the employees.

Cowellian November 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I have one son in retail, and he doesn’t have an option of whether or not he’s at the store, so he will be there. I do have an option, so I shan’t be shopping at all that entire weekend.

Sunny Disposition November 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Those employees should be home with their families. Longs did start opening on Christmas day when everyone else started doing it. The employees hated it and still do.

I think it’s terrible they are starting Black Friday on Thanksgiving day. Greedy bizzturds.

Bet the CEO’s aren’t working it.

shop a holic November 19, 2012 at 12:33 PM

They are hoping people will be drunk and drugged on turkey and spend more$$$
Pretty sick. Just be open all day for those that don’t have anywhere to go or don’t bother! one of the reasons Holidays are so depressing with suicides is because everything is closed and many people have no where to go and feel sad and lonely..

Lorelei November 19, 2012 at 12:33 PM

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO NO, NO!!!

Anderson November 19, 2012 at 12:37 PM

If the retail employees are unionized, don’t they get extra pay for working on holidays? Oh wait, worker protections are *disappearing* in this brave new world of ours…!

mika November 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I don’t get it, you give thanks on Thanksgiving for all that you have, but then you leave to go shopping for things you need? Holidays are no longer centered around their real meaning, the media and retailers have conned the masses into believing material things are what matter. False idols. On the other hand, what better way to break up an unbearable family gathering than to excuse yourself from the table to go shopping!

Feckin Irish Mouse November 19, 2012 at 12:44 PM

American Greed at its finest at al levels……………….Did you see on the news the idiots that are already camped out at Best Buys. And people wonder why this Country is going to Hell……..Not the Dems or Reps but the stupid, greedy, lack of values people

Mad Mom November 19, 2012 at 12:48 PM

We take worker’s rights for granted. The fact is, they don’t really have any. Soon, everyone will be expected to work through holidays and whenever the boss says so. That too is the America we cultivated and encouraged.
I for one will stay home and enjoy time with family

WC44 November 19, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Black Friday, er Thursday, has now officially jumped the shark. Just wait until the week of December 20th and watch the retailers panic and mark down everything.

Anon777 November 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM

I think this is one day that should be set aside for family and all stores should be closed. I will NOT be shopping at all this coming weekend. There is NOTHING I need that is worth putting myself into this kind of Clusterf*ck!

Triple Canopy November 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM

2x with McFly… it still comes down to a personal decision.

Plus, the retailers are simply providing what the shoppers want…. just like a worm rig dangling in front of a large mouth bass.

Mac November 19, 2012 at 1:00 PM

@ Pleasant Jenny….You must have minded a little.
Seeing they are both Ex`s

I must live in a hole.
I never knew there are or were titty bars anywhere around here.
But then, i never go to bars, so i don`t know anything about them.

TinFoiler November 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Hello Everyone,
I’m here at Wal-Mart in Martinez and already have tent pitched in anticipation of more .79 cent Waffle makers – You can never have enough of those.
Stuff is wayyy more important than Family, at least it would appear to be based on all the ZOMBIES we see that are out trying to save .02 cents.
What a shame.
PS – Stuff will NEVER fill the emptiness in your heart, Just look at all the Lottery winners who have destroyed their lives.

Howard K Mullins III November 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM

I really don’t care if stores are open or not. I don’t care if people shop at those stores or not. It’s still a free country (more or less) so people can do what they please (within the legal limits).

For me, I choose not to shop. There is nothing in the world so important for me to purchase that I have to follow the lemmings off the cliff, so to speak.

A couple of good books, perhaps a movie or two, a nice hike in the country and some fairly decent cigars will occupy my time this next weekend. I would rather improve my mind than anything else, I do have a long way to go in that direction.

The masses can do as they please, I’ll so as I please and our paths won’t cross.

The Grant November 19, 2012 at 1:10 PM

This about supply and demand.

Stores open to meet the demand (and make a profit) – they know American sheep will come in flocks.

JD November 19, 2012 at 1:11 PM

@shop a holic #11…

Nice job trivializing depression and suicide. You obviously have no clue of the devastation and tragedy leading up to and after suicide. I doubt very many people off themselves simply because they can’t go shopping.

DD November 19, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Let’s be honest here. it probably depends on the relatives.

Arthur November 19, 2012 at 1:18 PM

And let the gnashing of teeth begin. Who gives a s***? If someone wants to go shopping Thanksgiving night, or 3AM on Friday, it’s their business.

Arthur November 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Mad Mom,
Workers don’t have rights? You are truly an ignorant person.

Viva Che!

Shuley November 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Walmart employees are planning a walk-out on Friday. I hope they do this and I hope it makes black Friday a massive pain in the a$$ for the company and any consumer who plans on shopping there..

Arthur November 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM

@ Sunny,
“Bet the CEO’s aren’t working it.”

And so what if they don’t? If one does not want to work holidays, then one might want to avoid being a retail grunt.

JW November 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I will not spend one dime this season at any company that forces their retail employees to work on Thanksgiving. As for Black Friday, nothing celebrates the birth of Jesus like trampling people to death for a toaster.

Mom of the Horde November 19, 2012 at 1:35 PM

The only stores I will walk into on Thanksgiving are grocery stores (because I always forget something/run out of something) and convenience stores.

Starfish November 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM

@Pleasant Jenny There is always an ex that woould rather do something else especially when it comes to shopping–but you are still friends after that. 😉

@shop a holic, You actually need to map out the stores, the products and their location to shop on black friday. And usually you will have the amount of money to spend for that day already planned. If you are drunk or drugged-it will never work.

Black Friday November 19, 2012 at 1:54 PM

I had a tradition with my sister to get up at 4 in the morning on Friday and start shopping. As crazy as it sounds, long lines, tough parking, crowds, it has always been so much fun. I really haven’t encountered cranky rude people, most of the time I’ve met interesting people while waiting in line.

Since last year when stores started opening on Thanksgiving, we honestly felt like cancelling our tradition. There is no way we would begin shopping after dinner on Thanksgiving. It’s just not fair to the employees, and totally unnecessary. Now getting up early on Friday after everything is picked through already is not as fun…

MIss Ranchogirl November 19, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Closed on Thanksgiving? Why?
Most business’ don’t close on Sunday, or Memorial day, or Labor day.
What is the difference?

This is America November 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Quit trying to impose your values on other people. If the stores want to open and they can pay a premium for workers and someone will come, so what.

Connie Dobbs November 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM

How many people are putting off gift-buying until 12/22 this year?

Jeff November 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I put off gift buying until 12/24. That way people have no choice in what they get – if they don’t like it, they get to return it.

Call me scrooge, but I can’t stand the holidays – they no longer represent what they are supposed to. People just use them as an excuse to get a day off instead of celebrating.

Starfish November 19, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Connie, I’m putting off gift buying until this friday–when I go into fry’s electronics and buy gifts for me. 🙂

Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM

@Connie Dobbs #36

The 22nd? That’s a little TOO late for me. The 20th should be fine…

HolidayPay November 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

It’s too bad that workers won’t have the day off on Thanksgiving, but if the store is paying double or triple time for working on a holiday it is worth it for many workers. When I worked retail in college, I use to volunteer for hte holidays because it was double time and a half.

KJ November 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

I will not be visiting any stores on Thursday, or Friday either. I recall when stores were closed on Sunday: Workers, and consumers, got one day a week to rest from having to buy or sell stuff. What a delight! Now we can’t even get one day a year. This is truly a screwed up economic system!!

Shopping November 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I’m buying a human heart for the end of the Aztec calendar. I might be able to offer it up.

Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 3:44 PM

@Jeff #37

Good plan. My son had me suckered one year. I’d get the Christmas list late October — and buy the stuff. He issued a “change of plans” by giving me an amended list one year. I hated shopping as it was — I hated return lines even more. And he knew it. Last time that ever happened.

Concord1963 November 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM

@This is America: You said it all. Thank you. Jeesh people.

Howard K Mullins III November 19, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I don’t do “gifts” for Christmas or any other event this time of year. (Birthday’s are the exception)

I make this clear to everyone that I will give no one a gift of any kind and I expect the same from them. That includes cards.

The season has lost its meaning, the reason for its conception.

Screwy Louie November 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Connie and I using the Mayan calender for shopping tips

TinFoiler November 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Connie Dobbs #36,
I guess your comment went over their heads.

Connie Dobbs November 19, 2012 at 4:39 PM

I was just thinking if the world’s supposed to end on the 21st, I’d die feeling like a schmuck for spending all that money.

Slugga November 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM

So people are going to spend less time with their families on Thanksgiving so they can afford to give them more stuff on Christmas? Kinda makes sense.

Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM

@TinFoiler, @Connie Dobbs — LOL … Didn’t even relate it to that. The world has already ended so many times. I’ve given up on that too.

Howard K Mullins III November 19, 2012 at 5:44 PM



Funniest post of the day…

Seal November 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM


Dorothy November 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Going to be with family members that I like. Will stay away from all stores.

Sunstar November 19, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Ok, I guess I will just shop this friday.

Pleasant Jenny November 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM

@my haters I meant that my sister and I were very relieved they left and did not continue to embarrass us in front of our parents. We were only sad when they found their way back. a-b-c-d-e-f-g…

You Have Got To Be Kidding November 19, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Lets see, risking ones serenity by braving that wall of human flesh as they pillage their way thru the isles OR relaxing at home. Gosh hard choice . . . Pass on shopping.

Starfish November 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM

@Pleasant Jenny
I really don’t think anyone gives a damn about you.

Starfish November 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Parsnip….not you.

Starfish November 19, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I can see where the mixup could have occurred.

Babs@Seal November 19, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Dec or Nov?????????????

Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM

It’s so sad that our holidays have been destroyed by commercialism. We are encouraged to skip through Halloween, Thanksgiving and concentrate on Christmas, where retailers bring in their cash.

I wonder how many people know that Halloween used to be a romantic holiday for lovers or those seeking someone to love?

Nope. They don’t make enough money selling candy, so they had to distort the way Halloween was celebrated in the Victorian era — just as they are doing Christmas.

Sunstar November 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Did anyone hear about the massage parlor in Concord that got raided for prostitution?

ChampagneKitty November 19, 2012 at 7:57 PM

I give a damn about Pleasant Jenny.

Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM

@Starfish #58

Not me what? 🙂 Giving up on religious fanatics? Looooonnnng time ago!

funny man November 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

“The season has lost its meaning, the reason for its conception”
you mean the winter solstice? i agree we need to get back to our Pagan roots..
OH you mean the birth of Jeses? you do know by consoul and for political reasons Jeses birth was moved to dec 25… jus sayin

Walnut Creek Resident November 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Very bad taste to have stores open on Thanksgiving and or Christmas. I hope the employees will get overtime. Even if they do, not nice. Not nice to take away their very limited time off. It hurts a lot to think we have a society who values things–just stuff over time with friends, family or just a time of reflection. I wish we had people who loved classical music, exercise, great healthy food and fine friends and our neat pets and the arts… but this is not a world like that so I will make it like that especially during the holidays!!!!! Welcome to my world…

Pleasant Jenny November 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM

It’s okay Champagne Kitty. Maybe he is secretly in love with me like Rhett was with Scarlet. Frankly, he doesn’t give a damn! 🙂 It’s all good 🙂 And I cherish the actual friendships I have made here. Including you. Just do not ask me to go shopping this Thursday night which is what this story line was about…ha ha ha.

Seal November 19, 2012 at 8:18 PM

So right, Babs, but…I was trying to deter the shoppers, now you gave it all away.
lol 😛

Starfish November 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM

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Parsnip November 19, 2012 at 8:20 PM

@This is America #35

Don’t know much about employment law or the Department of Industrial Relations (wage and hour), do you?

Employers aren’t obligated to pay “premium.” They pay OT if the employee works over 40 hrs/wk. I’m certain that the majority of employees aren’t going to be working over 40 hrs.

Considering the employees are at-will, they may elect not to work. And then they may be fired for not working.

The majority of the employees are being screwed.

csb November 19, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I just sent my comment about this topic to Walmart via their website. It is so sad to me how everyone has become so desensatized to events that have mattered to familes and friends to gather together for hundreds of years. I’m pretty liberal about many things but this really bugs me. I’m choosing not to shop at Walmart ever again as well as any other retailer that follows…there are many other choices for discount shopping…… there, I said it!

Palermo November 19, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The older I get the more I am starting to see the absurdity of the Christmas holidays. People trampling over one another to buy a load of crap to give to people who don’t really want it, who in turn will stand in long lines after Christmas to return it all. Really, what was the point?

Triple Canopy November 19, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Wait! I feel another stupid voter initiative launched by the liberal left to regulate personal taste and behavior by mandating all businesses with five stores or more to be closed on Thanksgiving Day.

Start collecting them signatures! In front of Walmart perhaps?? Yeah, yeah, Walmart – that it! The evil retail chain who is this nation’s largest employer!

Bob H. November 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM


Another old man November 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM

45 Howard K Mullins III November 19, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Try getting a bunch of new unwrapped “Toys for Tots”. Buy what you would like. Basketballs are really good. Take them to any of the places shown here:

Be sure to get them in there by the 10th of Dec. I nearly got stuck about 8 years ago.

This way you know some boy or girl, tot or youth, will have something “Brand new” for Christmas. $20.00 gifts prevent fighting and stealing by siblings and neighbors.

Think about who’s playing with them on Christmas Day, or Holiday Day.

Volunteer at a dining room or just send a money donation. St. Anthony’s Dining Room is pretty good and they don’t overdo the re-soliciting later.

I will renew my acquaintances with several English pipes. Treasure Island or Kidnapped will do nicely.

Brandy and eggnog(s); until we run out of brandy.

One quart to one gallon.

Subterfuge November 19, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The trailer parks will be empty. Their inhabitants shopping at Walmart.

emily November 20, 2012 at 5:17 AM

Stores that force employees to work Thanksgiving Day won’t see one dollar of mine all season. There are plenty of alternatives.

Parsnip November 20, 2012 at 6:20 AM

@#73 — Why would anyone aside from the employee who has to work or the corporate discovering that customers aren’t interested in them at 8:00pm Thanksgiving Day be interested in a law mandating retailers remain closed?

Customers can just ignore them and continue with their personal happiness on Thanksgiving Day (and find alternative means of shopping — or gift giving — or deciding to not be materialistic on Christmas Day.).

I think back to that stupid Mervyns(?) ad years back with a woman pressing her face against the store window chanting “Open … open … open.” People just aren’t interested in trash merchandise on the giving or receiving end anymore.

Quiet time, be it alone or with family or friends, is just as good — and not dependent upon what some desperate retailer has to offer.

DoReMi November 20, 2012 at 8:00 AM

This stimulated alot of conversation. I will put in my two cents worth. Who cares?? lol. I guess you do. 😉

RanchgirlCA November 20, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I would hope any business that is open on Thanksgiving, or any other holiday, would first ask for volunteers to work before making people work on holidays – then again, nowadays if you work retail you have to expect this to be an issue. My personal feeling is, businesses should be closed for holidays. I don’t shop those days, so those business that are open won’t benefit from my money.

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