Walnut Creek School District Says “Get the Facts About the November Propositions!”

October 9, 2012 19:30 pm · 86 comments

The Walnut Creek School District sent out a notice today with what they call the facts of propositions 30 & 38.

Click on the picture above to read more, then discuss.

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1 nonewtaxesinwc October 9, 2012 at 7:55 PM

No new taxes…cuts need to happen top down, time they start doing more with less.

2 Triple Canopy October 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

No on 38.

3 Triple Canopy October 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

And No on 30.

4 cvdad October 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

@1 .. you really are ignorant. California already is 48th in the nation in ADA and you want less? There is nothing left to cut but classroom hours. Say goodbye to accreditation. Oh, but you think this is a good idea, having a less educated public. I guess having a generation of students saying “would you like fries like that?” is a good idea. You have no idea about economics and what it takes to sustain an employable workforce. You make me sick!

5 Safety Second October 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

NO on 30 …. NO on 38 …. Anchor babies and illegals already occupy 50+% of elementary classrooms in California …Voters, stop bitching about gas prices ….Taxes are the real scourge on our pocketbooks and quality of life.

6 Anon October 9, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Vote No on 30 and 38. They are both a bunch of lies.

7 Gator October 9, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I think it’s shameful that cuts are mentioned as reducing the budgets by x number of dollars per child … As if the child is somehow directly losing out on those dollars. Give me a break! Tell you what, why don’t you just cut me a check for 7500 a child and let me use it on the private school of my choice ?! Would someone explain why doing that would be a problem?

8 steve October 9, 2012 at 9:05 PM

That would be a big fat NO and NO.

But YES on Prop 32.

9 Scoots October 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

So why does the money go to the General Fund? They can use it for anything then. I call Shenanigans.

10 BlueJay October 9, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I find it interesting that not a single one of the possible cuts mentioned includes anything to do with administration salaries and everything to do with the kids.

11 Concord Mom October 9, 2012 at 10:05 PM

In reading up on Prop. 30 I read that there’s no guarantee that the money raised with the tax increase will go directly to the schools! So many people are pushing for a yes vote, but I honestly can do that if the money will just to the greedy leaders again.

12 the Shi ite October 9, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Says “We’ve been LIED to far too many times in the past, are the Politicians / School District willing to sign a Contract Stating Exactly how this money will benefit the Children”?

I doubt it.

13 anon October 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM

California’s state motto “Eureka” (I have found it!) aptly applies here. The state’s population includes 3.2 million illegal aliens — almost 24% of all illegal aliens in America — have chosen the Golden State as their preferred domicile.
Despite its $26 billion budget deficit, the state spends $21.5 billion dollars annually subsidizing illegal alien health care, education, welfare, other state benefits and criminal justice. Every California native-born household chips in $2438 each year to help.
There’s your school money right there and then some.

14 B October 9, 2012 at 10:37 PM

What would happen if more people homeschooled?

I agree, the money is not guaranteed to go where it’s needed most.

15 Huh? October 9, 2012 at 10:38 PM

No on 30
Yes on 32
No on 38
Again,,,it’s that simple!

16 ML October 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I say Yes & Yes!! Unless you’re earning more than 250k your taxes are not going to go up & if you do earn that much, you can probably afford to pay more! Although I do agree, if cuts need to be made it should start at the administrative level.

17 like steve October 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Like Steve, I advocate No on 30, No on 38 and Yes on 32.

18 The Real McCoy October 10, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Yes on 30. I don’t care if it goes into the General Fund… most things should go into the General Fund. One of the biggest problems in this State is that we have a ton of guaranteed funding, most of which is in place thanks to various ballot propositions.

Imagine if your home budget magically REQUIRED you to pay for cable TV, a daily trip to Starbucks, and saving up for a new stereo, but your rent (or mortgage), food, and electricity bills all came out of YOUR general fund. If you got a pay cut, you’d have to cut back on the basics to pay for the luxury items. That obviously a stupid setup, but it’s how our State works right now, and our Legislators didn’t do that… we did it.

19 Wesley Mouch October 10, 2012 at 5:16 AM

Typically, politicians use the children as pawns to guilt the voters into paying more taxes so they can suck off the money for their gold-plated retirements and health plans. Next thing you know, they’ll be braying for a choo-choo to ride in their golden years… while YOU struggle with less TAKE HOME PAY! What about those kids? Oh, they don’t know anything… they can barely read. Don’t get conned. No on 30 and 38. Don’t be a useful idiot.

20 I vote yes & yes October 10, 2012 at 6:21 AM

I got the facts, & my vote is yes. I hope those who are saying no to it, really understand the propositions. Maybe all you naysayers need to attend this meeting tonight, and get a clearer understanding of what you are voting on.

I support these propositions, I support our schools!

21 primo October 10, 2012 at 6:24 AM

No No No No …on new taxes…and stop WC schools from being “babysitters ”
Another idea : centralize all these many many many school districts !!!!!!

22 Antler October 10, 2012 at 6:31 AM

P.30 ~ ~ ~ yes

P.32 ~ ~ ~ no

P.38 ~ ~ ~ no

Of interest is that right now the classroom size in WCSD is evidently much lower than here in MDUSD. Also, Walnut Creek still has booming arts and music programs.

23 B. Willson October 10, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Sure – the politicians can’t touch THIS money….. but they’ll yank the equivalent amount already earmarked for eduication away from education and plug it into the general fund…. so it’s just an accounting trick.

Read the bill – then read what it DOESN’T say.

24 Chuckie's Wife October 10, 2012 at 7:10 AM

No on 30
No on 38
Yes on 32
Yes on 35 (Human Trafficking)

Those advocating for “taxing the rich” (Prop 30) are selfish twits. It is wrong to vote for something that does not affect you. At least the dimwits wanting to vote for Prop 38 are willing to bite the bullet themselves and not pass it off on someone else.

As far as school finances are concerned overall – fire a bunch of Administrators, especially those in Sacramento and re-allocate that money to public education. We have too many taxes, bonds and lotteries to fund the schools and no one accounting for all that income.

The WC threats of increased school size and reduced books are stupid fear-mongering threats. If that had come from Concord, I’d believe it, they’ve lived with that reality for years…

Did you know that Danville schools issue TWO sets of books to students? One set to keep at home and one set to keep at school, so that the poor kiddies don’t have to schlepp heavy back-packs.

If the state wanted to truly do something positive for the schools, it would redistribute the wealth. Hmmm…maybe we should call Obama to help.

25 Smart Ass October 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM

@ML – I say dumb & dumber. The first thing the politicians want to cut is schools, teachers, firemen, police, unicorns, rainbows, etc so that populace votes yes on their stupid propositions so they can extract more money. The top 10% of tax payers already pays about HALF of all taxes collected.

I say SUCK IT! I PAY ENOUGH.

26 nonewtaxesinwc October 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM

@ #4…you think I am ignorant, but tell me why school administrators are making north of $200k per year with pensions? the public sector has made a mockery of us the taxpayers. No new taxes until people making over $100k take a 25% paycut or forgo their pensions. Do you really think the public would be less educated, or just less $ in your own pocket? me thinks the latter.

27 DoReMi October 10, 2012 at 7:41 AM

@10 Bluejay: People will vote blindly for any legislation that mentions the children. That is why all the cuts use this phrase, it gets the votes. It’s all about winning and funding, right? Mo’ money.

The chickens have come home to roost. All those bond measures that were voted in for the last 30 years are now cannabalizing the system. Tax payers are now footing the bill for gross interest payments.

*Puts Tarot card to forhead and predicts the future.

California liberals will continue to vote in more taxes and soon we will have another group of home owners that will lose their homes, despite the draconian measure of frugality. I predict the cost of bread and gasoline will continute to rise. Thank you.

28 dl October 10, 2012 at 7:53 AM

If you have kids going to college sometime in the next decade, you really need to consider prop 30. Tuition costs have already skyrocketed and they will go up even more if 30 fails. Not to mention it’s going to be that much more difficult for students to get admitted to public universities. If you make more than $250k then I could see not voting for it. But if you make that much, you shouldn’t have much to worry about either way.
38 on the other hand seems like a joke…check out the article in the CC Times today.

29 @ #13 October 10, 2012 at 8:02 AM

But don’t you know they (the illegals) are here for a better life (snicker snicker)……….Yeah a better life at our expense. But God forbid they and their brood be deported as that is viewed by some ignorant Claycordians as “racist”…………California is sliding into the abyss and nobody seems to care.
And some folks wonder why the good jobs are leaving????? Uh……because California’s population is become more uneducated by the day.
#13 you are correct – there is plenty of money if we spent it on those whose families are paying the taxes. Perhaps we blow up income tax, property tax. etc and just have a huge sales tax…like 15%. That way the illegals would no longer get a free ride and EVERYONE would have to pay for services. Something to ponder.

30 baffled October 10, 2012 at 8:12 AM

How about cutting at the top as in the district office. Stop hiring “drs” for classrooms and make sure the monies really go to the students? Common sense and decency would fix all of this.
I worked at MDUSD for long enough to know that more money will fix none of this regardless of the district. So I too will not EVER vote to put more money in a broken system. Fix the system, honor the students first and then you will find there is a surplus of money!
Also regarding college. If we would stop subsidizing higher education the cost would go down and people could afford to work their way through college and parents could afford to send their children to college.

31 Carol October 10, 2012 at 8:27 AM

My daughter and her husband make over $250k per year because they work hard and plan ahead. They bought their own house when they were both 24 years old. They do not have children. Why should they pay more in taxes for these deadbeat teens in California high schools, who will never amount to anything, and inflated administrative salaries and squandered public tax dollars? No on any more funding for schools – they’ve misused our tax dollars too long. The high school I work in now is filled with teenage mothers – all living on my tax dollars. I’m three times their age but I’m out working everyday. No more – I’m done giving away handouts and having my money (and my family’s money) wasted.

32 GD98 October 10, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Out of curiosity why the yes on 32? You all would rather hear from large companies only?

33 steve October 10, 2012 at 9:00 AM

dl,
Good grief, how can people like you be so ignorant? My kids WILL be in college within the next few years and I HAVE considered Prop 30. Conclusion? It’s a union ripoff of the taxpayer. Re: tuition, it keeps skyrocketing because the government keeps subsidizing it on a scale that continues to trend sharply upwards. And what a begruding twerp you are, to opine that it’s okay to penalize someone ELSE with a tax because they make more than you. You are a pathetic.

34 steve October 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM

@ Gator #7,
Oh no you didn’t!! You just advocated for EVIL vouchers, how dare you impede on the sacrosanct Public Education® ! Cue all the bed-wetters and their idiotic “reasons” why YOU, the PARENT, being able to CHOOSE where you kids go to school is such a horrific idea.

Our kids’ school has tuition under $5K/yr…throw in the consumables and registration fees, and it’s right around $5500/yr. And yet, CA public schools cry poor when K-12 per-pupil spending is $9375..and all you public school sycophants spare me the “special education” and other tired arguments, because they don’t come close to explaining a $4k per-pupil gap. Anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty KNOWS it’s because of excess “administration” types and teacher salaries/pensions.

35 Sacto Rob October 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Why is a government agency recommending how we vote on anything? Isn’t that against the law? (Rhetorical question: yes it is.)
The government leaks money like a seive. Trying to close the budget gap by raising taxes is like trying to fill a bathtub full of holes by turning up the spigot. All you get is a bigger mess.

36 @ The Real McCoy October 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM

And that’s why we need to change it by voting down these band-aid propositions. True reform is needed on many levels, Education funding should be the top priority by Susan Bonilla and Tom Torlakson, instead of more propositions asking for more dollars to a black hole. Didn’t Prop 98 promise it would solve the problem? It didn’t and here we are, AGAIN.

When will the CTA start demanding true reform of Education funding for the students instead of just general fund money for salary, benefits.

No on 30 and 38, Yes on 32.

37 Antler October 10, 2012 at 9:49 AM

#35 ~ ~ ~ You have the text and results of #30 and #38 reversed. Please re-check.

38 Antler October 10, 2012 at 9:50 AM

oops, sorry….previous comment should have said #24.

39 Charles-the-cat October 10, 2012 at 10:01 AM

@Chuckie’s wife : two sets of school books saves money. Books last a lot longer when they’re not crammed in a backpack, kicked, shoved, dropped and otherwise jumbled around all day long (remember the Samsonite gorilla commercial…that’s pretty much what a day in the life of a kid’s backpack is like). I’d mention that multiple sets of books makes it easier for kids to walk or bike to school but I’m guessing that’s not important to you.

@primo – you are clearly insane or a troll

40 Carol October 10, 2012 at 10:34 AM

How about instead of people making above $250k paying more taxes to support the schools, have people with children pay more taxes . We all use the roads, we all use the police etc., but we don’t all use the public schools.

41 Auntie Em October 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM

I have had to make many hard choices,sacrifices,and CUTS in my household budget.

Meanwhile I see very little cost cutting at any level: State, local, county, city water or fire districts,or any attempt to consolidate services. The back breaker: 1000 school districts and counting in California — Florida has around 70. California continues to :#1 spend more money then it takes in year after year after year, #2 is unable or unwilling to make any sacrifices or take any meaningful or across-the-board cost cutting measures, #3 the state’s budget just continues to get larger and larger and our home budget gets smaller and smaller.

I’m afraid the answer is no on any further tax increases.

42 steve October 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM

GD98,
Good to know you get your “information” and direction from TV ads. Actually READ the TEXT of the proposition. The same prohibitions placed on unions are also placed on corporations. The HUGE difference is that most corporations do not use PAYROLL DEDUCTIONS to fund political activities, which is what UNIONS do, often against the wishes of their members. And oh by the way, this law would have no impact on political spending for FEDERAL campaigns.

85151. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law and this title, no corporation, labor union, public employee labor union, government contractor, or government employer shall deduct from an employee’s wages, earnings, or compensation any amount of money to be used for political purposes.
(b) This section shall not prohibit an employee from making voluntary contributions to a sponsored committee of his or her employer, labor union, or public employee labor union in any manner, other than that which is prohibited by subdivision (a),so long as all such contributions are given with that employee’s written consent, which consent shall be effective for no more than one year.

43 Antler October 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Charles-the-cat at #34 ~ ~ ~ You are reminding me of my high school years, when (IF I missed the first city bus and then IF it wasn’t raining) I walked home two miles with all books needed for homework held first on one hip, then the other, then across my tummy, repeat sequence. No backpacks! The school’s R.N. cautioned us not to carry books the same way every time.

But we could write classroom notes lightly in pencil on the side borders of the pages of our books…frequently needed those notes to help with homework, so I’m thinking two sets of books would not have been so helpful, at least not in that respect. The last day of school we spent in homeroom and erased all such marks with artgum so that the book could be re-used the following year. Then the PTA passed out homemade cookies at all the school exits. A little over 500 seniors graduated in my class year.

44 Anon October 10, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I’m voting NO on anything that raises taxes. The entire system is broken and it needs to come to a complete crashing halt before anyone will be able to fix it.

45 Connie Dobbs October 10, 2012 at 11:08 AM

You’re for human trafficking?

46 @ Antler October 10, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Another lonely stroll down Memory La….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

47 ML October 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM

@25 I have no idea why you think the top 10% pays more than1/2 of taxes..they pay the lowest amount in taxes..the middle class has all the burden! You’re right when you say politicians want to cut cops, teachers, firefighters, & that is ridiculous! They should tax these big corporations & put that $$$ into what matters like education & public safety! The greed that has taken over our country is what is ruining things not immigrants or people on government assistance!

48 mamaof2 October 10, 2012 at 12:03 PM

CAROL- If that’s the way you feel about children maybe you should quit your job. Children shouldn’t have someone who thinks they don’t deserve an education working with them.

49 Antler October 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

#46 ~ ~ ~ By contrast, your posts here and elsewhere are truly scintillating, and I apologize for not having complimented you sooner. Better now? ;-)

50 Carol October 10, 2012 at 12:20 PM

@mama of 2 – where did I say children don’t deserve an education? I’ve seen enough wasted tax dollars in school to see that the money is not being used for the kids. Or did you object to my suggestion that people with kids should pay higher taxes since they’re the ones using the schools? Rather pawn it off on someone else & just enjoy the benefits?

51 AnonyMrs. October 10, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Ok people, budgets have been cut, and cut, and cut, and cut. IT’S NOT WORKING. I have read all of you people bitch about how much you are already paying in taxes (btw, under 250k a year won’t be paying extra) keep in mind, it is these children wo will be taking care of us when we’re old, these children who will be running the show. Do we really want to take more from them than what has already been taken? Some of you said they should “chop from the top,” yes, they should, that would be ideal. Unfortunately, that is not what happens. When cuts are made, it’s the kids that take the brunt of it. Invest in them, quit taking from them because you want to punish politicians.

52 AnonyMrs. October 10, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Carol@ 50,
Like I said before these children will be taking care of ALL of us when we are old. Yes, parents should take a more active role and perhaps pay more than those who don’t have school children. But don’t think their lack of Darcie’s won’t affect YOU in the future too.

53 Newman October 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Every year the schools want more. You could vote them a $50 Billion increase and the next year they would be back for more, saying education will suffer without the new increase.

The schools are a bottomless pit. They are never satisfied. They always want more. They’re like one of those morbidly obese 5 year-olds you see on television every so often. The parents keep feeding the kid until the kid can no longer walk.

Are we going to be those parents WRT our state government and schools? I hope not. Therefore, until the schools learn to tighten their belts, just as us taxpayers do, I am voting NO on every school funding increase they fob off on us this and every year to come.

54 steve October 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

ML,
Um, the top 1% pay nearly 37% of the income taxes in the US. Carrying that further, top 10% earned 43% of the income, but carries SEVENTY PERCENT of the income tax burden…quite a bit more than 1/2, wouldn’t you say?

>>The greed that has taken over our country<<
So says the bed-wetter who wants to confiscate yet more of which someone else has earned.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-individual-income-tax-data-0

55 Elene October 10, 2012 at 2:10 PM

So many of you criticize immigrants for bringing down the quality of CA public education. Yet I clearly see the trashy tattooed parents of concord letting their lazy kids slide through life while spending the family money on cigarettes and dirt bikes. Meanwhile, the moms walk their dressed up kids to school over on monument, and they probably appreciate their kids free education. If your family chooses concord public schools over a nice parochial school like st Francis or kings valley, then your children deserve the education they get. Face it, California as a leader , is leading this country into a class society, like India. Except in America, you can choose the caste you will be in. (Yes I know this post doesn’t make much sense- like the other ones here).

56 Slugga October 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Cuts have already been made at every level, including to administrators. We have already been doing more for less since the 1970s and the passing of prop 13. If you don’t want an educated workforce, then keep cutting education. Secretaries, custodians, vice principals, classroom aides; all have been cut and cut. They are all asked to do more with less. If Prop 30 doesn’t big cuts begin hitting classroom teachers.

We don’t live in a perfect world. No society has ever had a perfect government nor a perfect education system. Voting no on prop 30 will not save the state, but it will make the schools worse.

57 ML October 10, 2012 at 4:24 PM

@Steve-the fact that you have to resort to name-calling just shows the type of person you are & is a great example of how much support schools really need so that people are educated & can have intelligent discussions. I feel sorry for you

58 Gator October 10, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Leave Steve alone … The only thing he said wrong was refer to folks as bed wetters … That’s wrong, you’re actually paste eaters!

59 @Newman October 10, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Newman! Wow! You really haven’t been paying attention to what’s been going on in California. California used to be near the top in per pupil funding. Now we’re approaching the bottom. According to the Sacramento Bee, California was spending 12% LESS than the national average in 2010. When you think about how high our cost of living is, that’s really, really bad compared to the rest of the country. When states per pupil funding rates are compared, we dropped 13 places between 2007 and 2010.

As the budget situation has deteriorated due to the recession, the cuts to education have been horrendous. Governor Brown and the legislature made massive cuts to other state programs during the last budget cycle, but kept the cuts minimal to education. It was done with the understanding that if Prop 30 fails, there will be massive cuts to education. He left it up to the voters: Pay more in taxes or see massive cuts to education. Unlike the federal government, the state has to balance its budget, so it’s one or the other. Take your pick.

60 Chuckie the Troll October 10, 2012 at 4:55 PM

No on higher taxes, period! And voting to raise taxes on only one segment of the population SHOULD be illegal. And while the school district didn’t state a “position” on Prop 30 and 38, they are skating on pretty thin ice in my book.

I’ll vote NO on 30 and 38. I had to place my son in private school because El Monte in general, and the principal at that time in particular, were terrible. And I have voted NO on every school bond since, and will continue to do so until I leave California.

61 Gator October 10, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Sorry for the bad grammar … My public school only spent 10k per student!

62 AnonyMrs. October 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM

“They are all asked to do more with less. If Prop 30 doesn’t big cuts begin hitting classroom teachers.”

Slugga @ 56,

BEGIN hitting classroom teachers?? I’ve been a teacher for 8 years and have been laid off 7 times due to budget cuts. This year, I have 35 third graders crammed into a room built for 20.

I agree with your comment, I’m just saying classroom teachers are and have been affected by this B.S. for many years now.

Didn’t mean to be bitchy…

63 GD98 October 10, 2012 at 5:39 PM

@ Steve
This might cone as a shock but I’ve read the Prop 32 text. It has a glaring loophole that will allow corporations to continue funding Super PACs and independent expenditure committee’s.

To your other point- Even though its anecdotal, I’ve been working union jobs for 12 years. I have never heard one person complain about how their dues went for political purposes.

64 Dennis October 10, 2012 at 6:13 PM

I’ve been seeing Education demanding moremoremore for 40 years, and repeatedly use the slogan that better educated kids will make CA a utopia.

So where is it?

It worked as a ploy in the 70s, until we got into the 80s and discovered that there was no improvement in the workforce, but we had spent more for a decade. Then in the 90s, all those grads from the “improved” schools of the 80s flopped. And every year, we are told “spend more, because the students of today will be the economy of the future”. Really?

My HS class graduated over 600 people, with class sizes of nearly 40, and teachers who taught 5-6 hours of each day. We had intramural sports, and bands, with instruments and uniforms. Now, with twice as many teachers per class, no electives or supplies, and graduates that cannot even read the back of a cereal box, we are still being told we need to spend more to get a basic education for our kids. Why?

Teachers don’t get the extra money, because the unions want to hire more teachers (boost the power of the union).

I remember the Looto was going to solve all the school funding problems, by using 1/3 of the income for schools. What happened? The politicians diverted an equal amount of general fund taxes from the schools and replaced it with Lotto money. The same will happen here. Where is the guarantee that matching taxes will not be diverted from schools, and replaced with money from this additional tax? There is none.

Finally, I am hearing that DVC students can rent eBooks for their class texts. They cost nearly $150 EACH, and can’t be sold back after the class. How is that OK? How is that affordable? Gonna tax us more, so the kids can pay outrageous prices just to go to a website and read the classroom textbook?

This is outrageous. I certainly won’t vote any additional taxes to a system that is out of control, ruled by greed, and doesn’t have the primary goal of education of our children as a priority.

65 @AnonyMrs & All Teachers October 10, 2012 at 7:22 PM

If you are tired of being laid off, working for poorly managed employers, take a stand . Defect from the GREEDY CTA, start a new union and DEMAND true Education funding reform for our STUDENTS and yourselves. This will take work, but worth it if you love your job and are truly concerned about the students.

NO ON 30 AND 38, YES ON 32 Taxpayers who are taking a stand against wasteful spending, no accountability, tired of politicians using our children as pawns, and being bullied by unions.

66 steve October 10, 2012 at 7:43 PM

ML #57,
Aww, diddums get thew feeweengs huwt??? After you put some salve on it, maybe you can trot out some more ignorant incredulity about who shoulders the tax burden.

67 steve October 10, 2012 at 7:43 PM

@ #59,
Ho-hum, another tired and moronic attempt to blame Prop 13. Up until 2009, property tax revenues increased exponentially since the passage of Prop 13. Revenue isn’t the problem. How it’s spent IS.

68 steve October 10, 2012 at 8:00 PM

@ GD,
Yawn. There is NOTHING in the proposed law that permits corporations to do ANYTHING that unions cannot. As if unions don’t fund Super PACs. The problem for unions is that they will be prevented from using payroll deductions for political activities WITHOUT CONSENT of the employee. How pathetic it is that unions fight tooth-and-nail against something so fair and common sense, that they would *GASP* actually have get an annual affirmation from the employee that their dues can go towards political spending. But on the whole, beside being archaic, unions are rather pathetic, so when you look at it through that prism then it does make some sense that they would throw such a hissy fit.

And you’re right, your personal union experience is anecdotal and completely irrelevant.

69 MikeT October 10, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Just receive my 2012/2013 property tax bill. I am now being charged $324.00 for Concord sewer tax, $18.74 for street lights, and $35.00 dollars for storm drains. Here is the problem.. I live on a private street, all old homes, have no city sidewalk, no city lights, no storm drains, no police service unless there is a murder, and on a septic tank. Now I’m being told to pay more taxes on services I never have had, or will ever have. As I look at my tax bill, I see I already pay $184.00 dollars for schools, my kids are all grown and gone, and my grand kids are in private schools, as the schools here in Concord cater to..shall we say.. English impaired children. I’m pretty much in the “I don’t think so” group.

70 Ashley October 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM

to Carol, the fact you work at a school AND felt it necessary to make those comments, you are the perfect example of the type of people that need to be fired. Let me guess, you’re on the administrative side? Even more reason you need to be fired. You are so out of touch with what is going on in the world today. Just sit in your administrative office, collect your paycheck, and hold on til you can collect your retirement, which will be taken care of us people in the real world. You ask why your daughter should have to pay more taxes since they make over 250k, well I ask, why should we pay for people like you, that work in our schools, with our “low life” children, that won’t amount to anything. I am sure at one point, someone may have looked at your daughter the same way. The nerve of you. You work in a school, maybe you should attend a class and get a clue, before the budget cuts them too.

71 I'm lucky October 10, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Private school was good for me and its good for mine. No and No

72 AnonyMrs. October 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

I’m lucky,

How selfish can you be? Like I’ve said many times before, ALL of these children will be taking care of us when we’re old, I can only hope that your caregiver is an ill-educated product of a public school that you spit on and dismiss. If the rest of us were as well off as you are, and could afford private school, don’t you think we would?? Until then, it takes a village to educate the future of this country. Congratulations, you’ve failed miserably, you selfish dink.

73 Out of control spending October 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Until the Democrats that control the state prove to me they can learn to live within their means and stop wasting my tax dollars, I will vote NO NO NO more taxes. This state takes in plenty of cash to fund every school every college and everything else. It is wasted on liberal agendas like Air Quality Management Districts that are bloated beyond belief, redundant state agencies, welfare for worthless pieces of crap citizens who refuse to work because they get free handouts, and illegal aliens who use every service under the sun to the detriment of us all. Screw California! You got what you asked for. Deal with it liberals!

74 B. Willson October 11, 2012 at 7:10 AM

@#52 and @#72 – No, they will NOT be taking care of me when we’re older. We’ve already made plans to move out of state to be near our children when the time comes….. and not be in this socialist “paradise”.

Just continue to enjoy the music as the Titanic continues to sink. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

75 @B. Willson October 11, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Here’s the other thing. Those children that you don’t want to pay to educate are the ones who will be paying for your social security and medicare. That’s right. What you and I have paid throughout our lifetimes will most likely not cover what we take out. We will be dependent on the kids in school today to pay into Soc. Sec. and Medicare to cover us. If you had any sense, you would be voting for funding to make sure they had the finest educations possible that would enable them to climb up the economic ladder to the best of their abilities. It’s their tax dollars that will be supporting you in your old age.

76 @AnonyMrs October 11, 2012 at 9:23 AM

I’ve had my kids in both private schools and public schools. I found the public schools were better. The teachers had educational standards they had to adhere to. That’s not the case in private schools. In many cases, their primary mandate is to make the parents think their children are doing well so that that they will continue to pay money to the school. In a public school, the teachers tell you the truth about how your child is doing.

Of course it depends on the schools involved. I’m sure the private school Obama sends his kids to is far superior to CHS or CVCHS. But I’m also sure that many of our MDUSD schools are far superior to the rinky-dink Christian schools that spend their time teaching children bible verses and creationist theory.

77 @ #75 October 11, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Um, some of us aren’t into this whole “need to government to take care of me” mentality and will not be relying on Social Security and Medicare. It’s called being proactive and self-reliant. But be a good leech and keep wringing your hands about these future payers of your government pennies.

78 @ B. Wilson October 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Wake up! You can’t just run away from these issues. They exist everywhere. Maybe not as bad as California, but it’s just a matter of time.

@Out of Control Spending,
You need to wake up also! Healthcare goes up every year due to inflation, food prices go up, gas prices go up. You think the cost of education stays the same??? It goes up just like everything else does. Healthcare industry, I’m sure has out of control spending too but you pay that don’t you? Or are you independently wealthy??

79 Carol October 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM

I realize that my comments sounded harsh and that wasn’t right. However I am out working every day and have been for a long time. My kids have succeeded because they worked hard and went to college and are now paying off student loans as well as their taxes etc. In the schools, I have seen school offices remodeled while there is no computer lab in the school; I have seen school police get new cars at a cost of $55000. 00 per car when the other cars they had are fine. I see kids receiving “transition ” money to try to get them into school -, and they still are truants – and parents who basically use their kids’ State money as their source of household income. I see teen moms who are on Public assistance at 16. My kids don’t have children but they are expected to pay more for everybody else’s children. Then the State wants more money – perhaps it is the area that I work in but, after awhile you just have to say “no more – start using your money wisely”.

80 B. Willson October 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

@#75 – If the VOTERS had any “sense” they would have kicked out these do-nothing politicians out YEARS ago.

Again, I’m not voting for ANY new taxes until I see that we have politicians in there with some fiscal sense.

@#78 – And no, I’m not “running away” from these issues. We’re moving to where the cost of living is cheaper and the politicians have some common sense. Yeah, it’s not the SFBay Area – but so what…. I’ve put up w/ the liberal know-nothings for too long.

You’ve been warned.

81 @ B. Wison October 11, 2012 at 12:43 PM

That’s right, keep telling yourself that…

82 anon October 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM

@ IDIOTS –
BEARS REPEATING –
California’s state motto “Eureka” (I have found it!) aptly applies here. The state’s population includes 3.2 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS — almost 24% of all illegal aliens in America — have chosen the Golden State as their preferred domicile.
Despite its $26 BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, the state spends $21.5 BILLION DOLLARS annually subsidizing illegal alien health care, education, welfare, other state benefits and criminal justice. Every California native-born household chips in $2438 each year to help.
There’s your school money right there and then some. NO MORE TAXES!

83 Mad Mom October 11, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Yes on 30. Tax payers filing jointly must make over 500,000.00 before incurring any additional tax (1 percent). Cuts? Are you effing serious??? The school system has been raped of any “extra” funding. We are in a mess and it’s time that people figure it out!

84 Pegasus October 11, 2012 at 1:58 PM

@ Mad Mom & all the other misinformed folks –
Have a look at this list of California State agencies and then tell me why Governor Clown has to cut school budgets.

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1718599/how-many-state-agencies-in-ca-

85 research it October 12, 2012 at 5:35 AM

Prop 30.
Charles Munger jr, One man, two weeks, $20 million. One uber-wealthy man trying to buy an election to protect tax cuts for himself and strip working men and women of their voice. An uber-rich man who is trying to buy tax breaks for millionaires. If you don’t believe me…
Google it, look it up. ,,,He’s dedicated to defeating Prop. 30 and passing Prop. 32. Mr. Munger’s total contribution to these efforts to $20 million since 17 September 2012, two short weeks. That’s about $1.25 million a day. …. Don’t fall for it.
YES on 30.

86 dl October 12, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Geez Steve…read carefully before you open your piehole. I never said anything about penalizing anyone. I wrote that I could see not voting for it if you made that much money, The tone of your comments make it obvious you are a complete tool. Sounds like you’re not too happy with your own life and feel the need to spout out ignorant comments to make yourself feel better. Get some help…please!

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