The Water Cooler: Should the Double Fatal Collision Suspect be Tried as an Adult?

April 10, 2012 12:00 pm · 233 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

As we reported last night, the 17-year-old double-fatal collision suspect who hit & killed two people in Concord on Saturday will be released from juvenile hall today, but could be re-arrested if the District Attorney decides to file charges.

If charges are filed against the suspect, in your opinion, should he be tried as an adult or as a juvenile?

Talk about it!….

1 GoGo Gomez April 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Hell YES!

2 bob April 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM


3 GoGo Gomez April 10, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Oops Adult!

4 Thomas April 10, 2012 at 12:04 PM

YES! If you’re old enough to drive an Escalade, you are old enough to pay the consequences if you make stupid mistakes.

5 Joe April 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM


6 Zoom-Zoom April 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Like I’ve been saying all along – YES.

7 Julie April 10, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Yes he should be tried as an adult. I hope they press charges today and not release him from jail. How much more evidence do you need. He was there and crashed into them. Keep him in Jail!

8 B April 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM

when can we be done talking about this kid, you have devoted more time to this then any other thread on your site. You should have put his name out there again and dont tell me cc reported it first because as my mom would say “if your friend jumped off a bridge would you?”. No news station or CPD have released this kids name. So take equal responsibility for the death threats and the fact that you have convicted this kid prior to trial.

The question shouldnt be “Should the Double Fatal Collision Suspect be Tried as an Adult?”

The question should be how do we avoid this in the future?

There have been old people who have done the same thing and yet we toss it out as just an “accident”.

9 paulywog April 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM


10 Just Some Guy April 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Yes. He was old enough to save and purchase his own car, which indicates a fairly adult understanding of the world.

11 Anon April 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM

It really depends. Was he speeding, on his phone, on drugs. Is he a danger or is he just a stupid teen. I think we need to wait for all the facts to come out before we make up our minds.
It is a very sad thing that happened but I really don’t think we can convict in the media. If all the things that are being said are true then yes he should be tried as an adult!

12 Anon777 April 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM


13 Nick April 10, 2012 at 12:11 PM

If you are of legal age to drive a car, you should be tried as an adult for any crime you commit behind the wheel. Or, the legal driving age should be raised to 18…problem solved.

14 Jeff April 10, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Too soon to determine.

Wait until the facts are all known. Right now all we have is speculation, and that’s why there hasn’t been formal charges and they are releasing him. Once the facts are known (drugs/alcohol, speeding, texting) then we can have an informed opinion.

That being said, my gut tells me that yes, due to the severity and nature of the crash, he should be tried as an adult.

15 Mac April 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM

How many threads are you going to have about this story ?

16 Nom de Plume April 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM

YES, tried as adult.

17 ConcordCatLady April 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I think a lot of factors need to be taken into consideration. Was he on his phone, was he speeding, was there drugs/alcohol involved and what remorse is he showing? What kind of kid was he up to this point? If he was an otherwise good kid who screwed up by being immature, but can still be productive member of society, I don’t think he should be locked up for years over a traffic accident. If he’s just another punk who has shown himself to be a reckless troublemaker, throw the book at him.

18 I'm Your Huckleberry... April 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Yes, I think he should be tried as an adult in this type of situation, based on the information and pictures I have seen as of today.

19 steve April 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

hell they should tried him As Adult what he did to father and that little girl not fair to them or for that little girl that wont be able to grow up and i hope to god it hunts him for to rest of his life to the crime do the time and in hope he never never never get to drive ever again

20 Just a Concordian April 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

I fail to see how the type of car should contribute to his demise. A Ford Fiesta could have caused just as much damage. Not protecting… but without knowing any of the facts I say you keep your pitchforks in their holsters where they belong.

21 cookie April 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM


22 minnie April 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Since he is not legally an adult he is still a juvenile. He went to juvenile hall.
My answer is NO.

23 cookie April 10, 2012 at 12:17 PM

as I said before


24 Ryan April 10, 2012 at 12:19 PM

IF the evidence shows he was texting or high or driving recklessly (not 5 mph over the limit, but actually recklessly speeding/weaving/etc), then I am 100% in favor of trying him as an adult.

Side note…checked out his family’s address on Street View…this is NOT a wealthy family. House is shabby and the heap of a truck in the driveway screams W/T. Probably CoCoCo Cartel wannabes. Just a guess, of course.

25 lac April 10, 2012 at 12:21 PM

He rolled his SUV 3 or 4 times, took out a fire hydrant, hit 3 people on bikes-killing two, and went in to a building that is being examined for structural damage. How fast was this kid going? Absolutely manslaughter, due to carelessness. This did not have to happen.

26 s April 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

what i want know is what the hell were the parents thinking letting a damn 17 yr old drive a deadly wepan

27 anon April 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM

could have been a poll. Yes or No.

28 flapjack April 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Indeed sir!!!!!

29 a kid at heart April 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Yes, bragging about a car that you bought on your own at the age of 17. Than do some high speedin’ or horsing around behind the wheel and kill a couple people that did nothing to you ever is pretty horrible. The 9 year old was still in elementary and her father was most likely just taking his kids out for a bike ride. I was telling my coworkers that if I in this kids shoes, I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing that I killed a couple innocent people. I hope his parents understand what the citizens of this county and other counties decide to do with his punishment. I say put him in prison.

30 G April 10, 2012 at 12:26 PM

When does DA come up for re election?
WHO is the defense attorney?

31 Jennifer Bryant April 10, 2012 at 12:26 PM

He was negligent! He has a history of speeding! He was driving unsafely! I believe he should be tried as an adult and sentenced by a jury….it is not up to the public to decide if he should be tried as an adult….it is up to the DA. However, if it was my children and husband that were killed by this kid, (who remember, is almost an adult) I would feel that he should be made an example of and have the book thrown at him. My heart goes out to the families of the victims that were killed and the family of the kid who destroyed lives….because no matter how you look at it, none of their lives will ever be the same. Prayers to all that are involved, families, judges and prosecutors that have to make the choices that will forever change lives.

32 Anon April 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Ofcourse! Him speeding is already a fact. There are numerous eye witness’ that said he was also on the phone. This has hit our families in such a horrific way I would not wish is on anyone…..we have been broken forever :( ….

33 Killjoy April 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM

To those of you who complain about this subject bing brought up too many times;
Different people grieve in different ways. Some go to candlelight vigils, others talk about it, and some post on a public blog.
How dare you try to tell someone else that they shouldn’t grieve about a horrible incident in the way that they wish to express themselves.

Oh, and I believe that Tom Huey had more threads to his name than this subject.
There were also a few about the Clayton Farm incident where the prick neighbor reported two little girls for selling vegetables on the street corner (yeah, I’ve been here a while).

34 JSD April 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM


If you count the initial news stories on the subject and updates to the news story as well as the candlelight vigil and previous water cooler discussions we are up to a total of 11 threads to answer your question.

The mayor can write 11 or 111 more threads on this story as he wishes, it seems you readers out there tend to forget this is his blog site not ours and he never forced you to read all 11 threads on the subject. If you think we have had too many then skip passed them, there are plenty more topics to read about on his site or many other sites including some the Mayor had even provided links for.

It has a parallel to other threads like the real housewife, if you don’t like the thread or are think there is too many threads on a given topic then move on. Just because you are tired or a topic doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Keep up the good work mayor, our community is much more informed since you have been around.

35 Killjoy April 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Sorry, “bing” should have been “being”.

36 The Pitts April 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM

He needs to BURN IN HELL

37 hewhoiscalledj April 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM

it could still be ruled an accident. but if toxicology or cell phone forensics proves positive, then the kid should be tried as an adult. he was old enough to buy his Escalade, he’s old enough to man up to his consequences.

38 ozziethedawg April 10, 2012 at 12:31 PM

i have no idea, considering there have hardly been any facts, merely gossip…

39 ClaycordAnon April 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The little bastard needs to tried and treated as an adult and put away.

40 The choices and paths of life we make and take... April 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The experts in law enforcement and within our judicial system will determine the outcome of this question… time will tell.

If you are asking me this questions at this time, I would have to say he should be tried as an adult based on the preliminary information provided as to the incident, the pictures taken as to the scene of the accident, the obvious poor decision to drive at a high speed on Treat Boulevard, and the comments from those who know this person as to his character.

It is irrelevant that he was driving (and perhaps owned) a Cadillac Escalade. Maybe the officials can do a reinactment using an old VW Bug and this will make a few of you feel better. If in fact it is shown he was driving 70 in a 45 mile an hour zone, it is still wreckless driving no matter what you are driving.

41 AnonyDude April 10, 2012 at 12:37 PM

HELL YES ! This kid deserves it . Sorry to say but he killed 2 people , accident or not , it’s MANSLAUGHTER .

42 Duh April 10, 2012 at 12:48 PM

No. He’s not an adult.

43 He's A Kid April 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Juvenile, absolutely. His decision making is clearly not mature and there is much evidence in scientific literature that 1) teens are often unable to understand the consequences of their actions and 2) if they can cite consequences of their actions, they use a different risk/reward model than adults. Brain development doesn’t get to adult consequence processing until about age 25. Society should reconsider driving and other laws to take this into account.

44 Who Cares. April 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Instead of being NOSY people, you should worry about your own problems. No one knows what the 17 yr old has gone through, and yes it’s sad what happened but people on here need to stop being so damn N O S Y !!!!!!!!!!

45 coco April 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Sounds like he may have hit the gas pedal instead of the brake out of sheer terror when seeing the bicyclists in his path.
It seems people here love gossip and never wait for the facts before passing judgement.

46 sweetpealover April 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Absolutely, without a doubt.

47 Terrible Tragedy April 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

This was a double tragedy for both the innocent victims and for the driver. People died, people are in mourning. This kid’s life will be forever impacted.
Where is the sense of compassion? People are so quick to judge. Please God help us all.

48 Don-PH April 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Yes, unless the facebook page was really not his, all the reports of his known behavior behind the wheel were somehow mistaken, all the witness reports were somehow mistaken – etc. etc.

In other words, Yes – after all, it’s still a trial – only the punishment is more likely to fit the crime.

49 Zoom-Zoom April 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Whatever the charge, I smell a plea deal coming down the line cuz you know mommy and daddy won’t let their little wannabe hoodlum be in prison.

Wait for it…….

50 Roberto April 10, 2012 at 12:56 PM

No, try him as a juvenile. His speeding will no doubt be mitigated by the ridiculous 45 mph limit in that area. Let the kids parents assume their rightful responsibility for their children’s behavior. They probably have more resources than the kid. Hope they insured their little Fokker.

51 brooke April 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM

i dont think he should be tried as an adult… he obbbbviously is not an adult hes 17… thats not an adult!! and is he being released today as in …hes going home?

52 W. April 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM

People on here are so NOSY. stop getting into other people’s problems. things happen for a reason, and talking shit about others is not gonna make things better. no one knows what the 17 yr old has been through so everyone shut up.

53 Mac April 10, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I agree JSD, it is his blog.
And it is totally up to him how many threads he writes about a story.
And you`re right again, i can just go by without reading or commenting on any of these stories.

I also agree this blog gives information to a lot of people.
But if you don`t know anything about this area.
And you read this blog.
It would make you want to never come here.
Because all the bad things are mentioned over and over again.
And the good things are passed by quickly.

Guess i need to just deal with it.
This blog enjoys pointing out the bad things around here.
A lot more then it does, the good things. (Mayor`s choice)

54 NutCreek Frontier April 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else think it strange that absolutely nothing seems to have come from Concord City Council about this tragedy? You would think that they would have released a statement about this, expressing condolence to the family, or indicating that they will review traffic-calming policies on Treat. There have been numerous very severe accidents on Treat this year…complete silence from Concord City Council on this does not make them appear very pro-active or compassionate.

55 Louie April 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Yes I feel he should be tried as an adult, this was no accident, He killed a father and a little girl. He was not driving safely, did you see all the damage to the vehicle OMG! This was a nice sunny Saturday morning. My thoughts and heart felt prayer to this Wife and mother, I cant even imagine your loss.

56 miggity April 10, 2012 at 1:05 PM

He should be tried as an adult. We should make the legal age of driving be 18 so that everyone driving can be held accountible as an adult. Any special exceptions for younger drivers would come with this adendum that you WILL be held accountable as an ADULT for any crimes you committ behind the wheel.


57 t brut April 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Here at Claycord, were all Judges! who needs a jury figure out what the F**k we already know.

As for the multiple threads on this topic… is a media site just like every other news outlets. Mayor finds a story people are interested in damn right he’s gonna wring every last piece for what it’s worth. when was the last time you seen a story with 250+ comments within a couple hours? views are money with advertising n yes I’m sure Mayor gets paid

however this is most definitely a story that needs to be told and discussed, only with a focus on why it happened and what can be done to prevent such tragedies in the future. sadly all talks about how we can punish the little shyt bird that caused this

58 CheeseWedge April 10, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I feel horrible about this entire situation, BUT WE HAVE ALL HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT IT!!! Every time I come to this site, this is just about all there is to read here! PLEASE STOP!!!

59 Concerned Mom April 10, 2012 at 1:15 PM

First this was a horrible tragedy for all involved. I feel deeply for the family that lost two members, and for the parents of the young driver. As for the young driver, this may be his opportunity to make a dramatic change in his life- if given the chance. He will have to live with the consequences of his mistake, and who among us did not make some bad choices at 17? Will we all be served by sending him to prison for years or by him getting an opportunity to help prevent others from making the same mistake? Do all of you know that there had been a few serious accidents in this same stretch of Treat in the last 3 weeks? Stop condemning in a rush to judgment. He may have been speeding but is this a common occurrence there and what has been done to address it? This young man sounds remorseful, doesn’t that matter to any of you? Do you never speed, what if…think of yourself. Seventeen is still a child, but today’s youth are held accountable at a much deeper price than we ever were. God will judge. Let us have mercy and allow healing for all involved.

60 The Professor April 10, 2012 at 1:15 PM

He’s old enough to know what is right and wrong. He should be tried as an adult. However, any charges that are filed need to be determined by many factors: was he impaired, distracted (texting), or speeding?

It’s times like this that make me say, “There but for the grace of God….”
I was a teenage driver too. In retrospect, that driver could have been me (and probably you too).

Such a tragedy.

61 Kat April 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM

@#8, it’s a big thing going on right now, a lot of people are upset. And it happened in our community.. of course he’s going to dedicate his time to this story.

62 Mom of four April 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Thank you Mayor for keeping us updated on all sides of this story.

And my answer to your question is that we do not have enough details to make that decison right now. I do know that this boy is barely 17.

63 WC resident April 10, 2012 at 1:24 PM

I’m personally undecided on if he should be tried as an adult. FWIW, I learned from personal experience that you have fewer rights in “juvie” than in the adult system. I’m sure that’ll be one of the factors authorities look at when they decide if and how he will be charged.

As for people complaining about the release of the guy’s name. It appears the first release was by one of his “friends” to the Contra Costa Times and from there it was quickly picked up by bloggers, including Claycord. As it is, Claycord held off on releasing his name for several hours. Today the Contra Costa Times is slanting their wording to imply that police have identified the driver.

The release of parts of the driver’s Facebook wall was also by his “friends” as apparently this was a semi-private profile that only the driver’s friends would have been able to view. Hopefully more teens and young adults will start being more careful with who their friends are and what they post on line. For example, one of the Facebook posts that are now public was from last December. That was a lifetime ago for a 17 year old. It would be interesting if Claycord’s interception and publication of private electronic communications becomes a court issue.

64 @B April 10, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I think youre the only one who has any sense on here.

He is a kid, he should be tried as one. The part of our brain that is responsible for judgment and decision making (the frontal lobe) does not fully mature until the early twenties…mid twenties for guys. If we based it off the majority of people who post on here I would say maybe twice that.

Anyways, this is another reason kids should not be able to get their license until 18 years of age when they’re more mature and can take more responsibility.

65 Janet B April 10, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Yes. Driving is a privilege that must be taken seriously.

66 C Lo April 10, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Nice Haiku Mac. LOL. Duh.

67 Observer April 10, 2012 at 1:27 PM

He is not an adult, therefore he should not be tried as an adult.

We do not subject minors to the same legal treatment as adults because we understand that their brains are not as well developed as adult brains, especially when it comes to making decisions and understanding the consequences of their actions.

We also understand that teens can make mistakes, even mistakes that result in others losing their lives, but still be decent human beings that can go on to lead good lives. Laura Bush is an example. She ran a stop sign as a teen driver, killing a young man in another car, but went on to live a life above reproach.

From an article on what neuroscientists have learned about teen brains from MRI studies:

“Novelty seeking/sensation seeking and risk taking,” Dr. McAnarney continues, “is the basis for considerable growth during adolescence, as well as for the seemingly reckless behavior of some adolescents. Novelty seeking/sensation seeking and risk taking are topics of growing interest as adolescent brain development is defined better and as morbidity from adolescent risk taking mounts….”

68 Ghetto Thug Lifestyle April 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM

He already lives like he’s an adult, already has the prison mentality with pants down and all the ghetto slang so sure, let him be tried as he lives.

Too bad kids today buy into all this rap/gangster lifestyle. Have your kids watch shows like – Lockup, Lockdown, Beyond Scared Straight etc. Prison is not a glamorous life. In fact, you’ll see many men saying they were sold a bunch of lies from the rappers they thought were cool. Put in their own words, “if they were doing all the things that they are singing about, they’d be right here with us, in prison”.

69 Guest April 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Seems like unsworn hearsay sure gets this crowd playing vigilante. We do not know about his driving record because currently it is clean; however, there could be a ticket (s) pending. Secondly, no witnesses have come forward stating he was on his cell phone. This age group tends to text more than call…That is why the Concord police department is waiting for his cell phone records. The time was 9:30 AM. He could have partied the night before; however, this age group tends to herd together for the partying scene and it is highly unusual that it was at this time of day. This is an enormous tragedy for the families. Seems like the crowd on this blog are a group of judgmental individuals. Wait for the facts. Good thing this is America and not the Wild, Wild West… Just saying…Thoughts and prayers to all of the families.

70 Old teacher April 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM

If you are old enough to assume the responsibilities of driving, you are old enough to be tried as an adult. There is no “free ride” to make stupid mistakes just because you are under 18. Driving is an adult privilege, if you can’t handle the responsibility that goes with it, don’t drive. Especially since he killed two people, there should be no slack cut for him.

71 ??? April 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Yes, people make things too complicated, If he can operate a vehicle like an adult he can be tried as one. Your supposed to learn the rules of the road before getting your license not after.

72 Stealthy Mama April 10, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Let’s see now. He saved and purchased a new Cadillac Escalade SUV which was very adult of him. He acted like big shot dumb ass driving his Escalade with shiny rims and then, fatally crashed into another vehicle which ultimately killed a father and his young daughter. Yes…the big shot dumb ass ought to be tried as an adult so that he will feel less of a big shot later on when he is rotting in jail.

73 Ryan April 10, 2012 at 1:42 PM

@ Concerned Mom #59…”This young man sounds remorseful, doesn’t that matter to any of you?”

Ummm…did you hear something we didn’t? I didn’t realize he had made a statement yet?

74 ??? April 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM

With all these posts I think I smell the sickly scent of nepotism. the kid deserves to be punished and not just for 5 months because hes 17, that’s absolutely ridiculous.

75 Guest1 April 10, 2012 at 1:47 PM

If he’s old enough to take on the responsibility of driving, he’s old enough to face the consequences for his actions.
No he didn’t plan on killing anyone but there’s no excuse for his recklace and irresponsible driving.
That family was doing all the right things; on the sidewalk, wearing helmets, etc. and this POS had to take their innocent lives.
He deserves harsh adult punishment as well as living with what he has done.
Besides he is 17 years old turning 18 within months… there is no doubt he should be tried as the ADULT that he is!

76 KJ April 10, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I might have voted to try him as adult had I not recently read an article about the teenage brain in the National Geographic. Since I do not know this kid and, thus, have no way of knowing how mature (or immature) he is, I think I’d rather leave this to the people we pay to make these decisions.

“…Compared with adults, teens tended to make less use of brain regions that monitor performance, spot errors, plan, and stay focused—areas the adults seemed to bring online automatically….”

77 Another thought to ponder... April 10, 2012 at 1:50 PM

@B #8
Your comment pretty much sums it up.
I am not a parent… but something about this incident says it should be a wake up call to all parents out there.

And, you are absolutely right… there’s something about the “age factor” in which people feel society should be using this kid “as an example”. There have been older and wiser people who have done worse and have pretty much gotten off free. Because don’t you think if you are older and wiser and your brain is “more developed” you shouldn’t be making dumb choices? I’m not saying there should not be a consequence to these type of actions. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

78 CutterJon April 10, 2012 at 1:52 PM

No-he’s not 18 yet.

79 Christina April 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Since he was less than a year away from being 18, I think it’s fair to trial him as an adult since the crime is so henious.

If he was 15 and shoplifting, then probably not but 17 and a double fatal collision is different.

80 Danny April 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I really wish it was possible to set what it is to be an adult or not and leave it be.

If someone under 18 killed somebody, they would be treated as an adult.

If someone under 18 had sexual relations with someone else over 18, the under aged will be treated as a child victim, while the adult is treated as a rapist.

This picking and choosing on when to treat someone under 18 as an adult or child needs to stop now. I can’t wait for a teen to realize this and brings it up as an issue.

81 Mr B April 10, 2012 at 1:54 PM

This is a huge tragedy for our community and I appreciate having as much information here as possible.

I have found this tragedy very upsetting.

Yes treat him as an adult!

82 Concord Mom April 10, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Tough to answer this one. I can’t even imagine what the family of the deceased are going through….My heart, thoughts and prayers are with them. I also can’t imagine being the parent of the 17 year old. Are/can the parents of the 17 year old somehow be held liable for the actions of their “child”? At a minimum (in addition to jail time) the kid should lose his license until the age of 25. The lives of both families have forever changed…so sad.

83 Swanky April 10, 2012 at 1:57 PM

People often don’t get charged in accidents. That’s why they’re called “accidents.”

Cyclists get killed in cities on a regular basis. Usually by bus drivers… Speeding, texting, bus drivers. They never do time.

Nice to see Claycord still maintain that ignorant, rush-to-judge, mob-mentality I’ve come to know and love. What, no homeless people to pick on this week?

I especially like the part where the anonymous site admin dismisses all journalistic integrity and publishes the name of a minor allegedly involved in a traffic accident before a jury is even convened.

This site is the backwoods equivalent of the National Enquirer… But with minors.

I can imagine the dialog between the lonely admin’s left and right brain goes something like this;
– –
“Get the headlines up fast, to hell with accuracy or ethics. We want traffic!! You don’t need to know my name, but here’s there name of some kid who may have done something… Agitated mob – attack!!!”
– –
I am boycotting any local business that advertises amongst this sad example of yellow journalism. I wouldn’t be surprised if Claycord gets sued out of existence some day, soon.

84 Mom of the Horde April 10, 2012 at 2:00 PM

He should be tried as a juvenile. Vehicular manslaughter is not quite the same as premeditated murder… He deserves jail time, certainly, and I don’t think he should be allowed to drive for a long time, but I think there is probably a good chance that he can be rehabilitated.

85 Move to a better neighborhood April 10, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Of course he should go in as an adult.

I wonder if his girlfriend will wait for him… I’m sure after 4-6 years, things will be all stretched out and there’ll be a few STDs involved (for him, not her).

86 dbcoops April 10, 2012 at 2:15 PM

if he is adult enough to speed up and down treat like a total doooosh-bag then he is adult enough to face the consequences like a man.

he is probably rooting for a long sentence so he can go to the pen with the guys he seems to already admire and imitate with his ridiculousness attire. that total narcissist probably feels more accomplished now than when he got that escalade

87 heshouldgetwhathedeserves=prison April 10, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I believe that he should with out a doubt 100 % be tried as an adult. He is 17 years old and was driving a killing machine . A car is a dangerous thing and no one should be able to kill two people and get away with it. If you are driving a car you are responsible for driving it properly and following the law. They make speed limits for a reason. witnesses say he was speeding ( which is obvious ) . He knew he was speeding and he needs to be responsible for his actions. Other witnesses say he was also on the phone- yet another law broken. And another reason to be distracted. If he was going the speed limit he SHOULD have and WOULD have been able to correct the vehicle no matter what happened. Accidents are careless mistakes but this young mans poor decisions took the lives of two people, there family and his family. Justice needs to be served. Yes he will feel horrible as he should he robbed two people of there life.The mom and the sister that lost half there family that day. I believe that he deserves to sit in prison for years upon years and think about what he has done and how he has affected the lives of this poor family and the lives of his own and his parents. Everyone loses in this situation. The dad,sister mom and other sister as well as the young man who crashed. Treat is not a freeway and people shouldn’t drive like it is. Think about if it was your dad or sister or brother or friend who lost there lives! wouldn’t you think it is necessary to punish this man and give him the time to think about what he has done and who he has affected. How would you feel if you were the family of the victims and he was released with out punishment just because of his age? Just because someone is 17 doesn’t change the fact that they are responsible for the car they are driving and what happens while driving behind the wheel of a car. What this 17 year old did was for him an accident of course, But it will never bring back the dad and sister so lets not put the word ” accident ” with this case. It was purely careless, wreck less and wrong.

88 Shuley April 10, 2012 at 2:23 PM

No. I do not believe this is even an option. I am pretty sure Prop 21 which legislates the ability to charge kids as adults limits it to violent crimes, gang activity, hate crimes, etc. Chances are worst he will get is vehicular manslaughter.

If the law prevents it, then obviously he should not be charged as an adult. He is certainly a dumb kid and he and his family will be paying a long time.

89 Mr. John April 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM

This is a bad topic. The legal system is not a popular vote. Let the DA do his job.

90 Nick April 10, 2012 at 2:26 PM

he drives an escalade, he thinks hes an adult, try him as one.

91 annie2u April 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Swanky, I couldn’t have said it better. Particularly about the boycotting.

92 If this young man is found to be guilty of breaking laws April 10, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Then yes he should be tried as an adult

93 Seriously? April 10, 2012 at 2:46 PM

He was driving a “killing machine” ? So do you have a list of which cars are considered killing machines and which ones aren’t? If he were driving an old station wagon and the same thing happened, would you consider that station wagon a “killing machine”?

Think before you post. Some of these thoughts should not put in writing.

94 @ concerned mom April 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM

So glad to see someone else with a little compassion.

From my experience 17 year olds are the hardest age to parent!!!!

95 Cowellian April 10, 2012 at 2:58 PM

From SFGate:

…If a case is brought against him, he would probably be
charged as a juvenile because vehicular manslaughter is
normally not among the crimes for which prosecutors can
directly bring a minor to adult court, said Dan Cabral, a
senior deputy district attorney.

But prosecutors could still ask a juvenile-court judge to
send the case to adult court, taking into consideration the
severity of the crime, any criminal history and other factors….

So, a Juvenile Court Judge will make the decision.

96 dbcoops April 10, 2012 at 2:59 PM

oh dear god, yeah, let’s start a boycott in support of “race fox” that’s clear thinking ……..

97 C Money April 10, 2012 at 3:01 PM

If the young individual is not allowed to enjoy things such as liquor, cigs, etc. that ADULTS enjoy in this country, then he shouldn’t be tried as an adult. Sucks when the road goes two ways, doesn’t it?

However, his parents should be charged as accessories to manslaughter. If they gave this kid a gun to walk around town with…

98 Just a Concordian April 10, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Did he rob a bank to buy the car? Did he deal drugs? Did he kidnap some rich banker’s daughter and ransomed her for the money? Did he break into Fort Knox? Exactly what the hell did he do to buy that car? Seriously people… put the pitchforks away. This has gone far enough. He’s got two deaths on his conscience. If that isn’t a wakeup call, I don’t know what is.

99 vindex April 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM

nope. This is a tragedy and an accident. If this young man was driving erratically, too fast, distracted, etc. He will/should be punished. Not as an adult. Lest we forget the fight for the juvenile justice system, we need to read a bit of history. He is a minor and should be tried as such. I want justice in this situation, but we need to remember that the justice system is working on this, and we don’t want to become another Florida where death threats are issued in a case that hasn’t even been brought to trial.

100 Chicken Little April 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM

The ignorance of the law, of common sense, and of physics in this thread is astounding. Statements like this gem:

“If he was going the speed limit he SHOULD have and WOULD have been able to correct the vehicle no matter what happened. ”

Just make me shake my head. Like what? Nobody has ever crashed while doing the speed limit?

101 A common man April 10, 2012 at 3:10 PM

We are lucky to live in a society that at least attempts to be fair. There is quite a bit of anger surrounding a lot of these post. That anger will wane at some point but the utter sadness that this awful event created for the Nuri family and their friends will be around forever. I am not fond of these people that have to put on a gangster persona and who behave in a disrepectful way but they are part of our society and are entitled to the same rights as anyone else. I believe for the most part you are pretty much an adult by 16 years old maybe earlier for females since they mature sooner. He should be considered an adult. I don’t know anything about any of the parties past first hand but I know that putting a young person in an adult prison will in almost every case create a criminal that will get out one day and have to be dealt with again. Punishing this kid too harshly might feel right in the short term but will only create a far more troubled person in the end. Prison does not seem to learn people their lesson but learns them in how to be a better criminal. He needs to pay for his crime but at some point when things settle down he needs to know compassion too. My thoughts are and have been with the victims and their poor family, so very sorry for your horrible loss.

102 Palermo April 10, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I don’t think this is something to be voted upon, leave it to the people with more legal experience.

103 @Stealthy Mama April 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Stealthy Mama, the news stories I’ve read said that the SUV was 10 years old. It was not new.

I’m surprised that readers (I’m not specifically referring to you, Stealthy Mama) are criticizing him for buying and fixing up a vehicle. I can’t think of a more “All-American” teen activity than saving up your money to buy a used car, fixing it up, and being proud of it. It’s been going on in the United States for generations. My father did it. My brother did it. My friends did it. Movies have been made about it. It even evolved into a beloved all-American sport – NASCAR racing – and a hobby that many adults still love, as evidenced by the many classic car shows in the area.

104 Dr. Worm April 10, 2012 at 3:22 PM

“You don’t need to know my name, but here’s there name of some kid who may have done something…”

Swanky, you are both righteous and awesome, but this is not like the National Enquirer. The Enquirer actually has the (grudging) respect of the journalistic community. Claycord is like Harper Valley’s TMZ

105 Anonymous April 10, 2012 at 3:24 PM

No. I am guessing most here don’t remember what it is to be a teen. I will be the first to admit I made MANY mistakes. I am also guessing most here don’t remember what it is like to first drive. I will also admit I made MANY mistakes when I first started driving. This could have been any of us. How many times do we see people speeding around town? Daily! Everytime I drive down Treat someone is speeding past me. And guess what, they are not all teenagers…shocking I know!

I also think it was a really bad idea to release his name illegal or not, as well as post what is on his FB. He hasn’t even gone to trial and it seems as though Claycord is trying to put a particular public view on this teen which could very well ultimately lead to a mistrial, which would be a shame.

I hate what happened as much as any of you, but PLEASE let the police, detectives, lawyers, and so forth do their jobs!

106 Ancient alien contactee April 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM

What’s the deal with trying MINORS (under 18) as ADULTS (over 18) when they are *dun, dun dun DUNNNNNNNN* minors? If he’s 17, he should be tried as a minor and that’s that. If he isn’t tried as a minor, there’s really no point in having a seperate system of consequences, is there?

To all you who say “we need the facts first” I applaud you for your wisdom.

To this “news outlet”, which is really just (and I must emphasize JUST) a glorified nosey-neighbor gathering place, shame on you. Shame for releasing a child’s name knowing he will receive death threats from trolls here. Shame on you for thinking you have that authority. You claycord crew are about a crack in the sidewalk away from being instigating snitches with notepads -one or two of you already are.

107 A driver is taking on an adult responsibility April 10, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Someone taking on the adult responsibility of driving needs to be tried according to adult rules.

108 Ian April 10, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Either drivers should be tried as adults or the driving age should be raised to 18. Better yet, any one under the age of 18 that wants a license should be forced to sign a contract saying they would be tried as adults and parental signatures of the same should be required. That way, it’s up to the parents to bestow that much trust and responsibility in their children.

109 Rainmaker70 April 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Seems like allot of people on here are obsessed with the fact he saved and bought an Escalade. Jealous much??
He is a kid not an adult and as a father of a 15 year old son I coach HS sports and see all the kids from straight A’s to F’s all listening to Rap and dressing like gangsters. Its just the style right now just like it was the style to have long hair and mullets when I was in HS.
So my answer is NO!!!

110 anon April 10, 2012 at 3:38 PM

If the drug tests show he was under the influence, then yes. If cell phone bill records show he was using the phone, then yes. But if he was simply speeding and was being reckless, then he should go back to JH.

111 Anon April 10, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Absolutely if a driver doesn’t want to be treated as an adult they shouldn’t be driving. Perhaps we need to increase the legal age.

112 Ryan April 10, 2012 at 3:54 PM


So probably 9-18 months in juvenile hall. Even less if it’s proved he wasn’t DUI. That’s pretty pathetic.

113 Trash April 10, 2012 at 3:56 PM

When they used to talk about trying a person as a Child or an Adult kids didn’t murder like they do now. Kids back in the day did speed and cause horrible accidents but now you add Texting or talking on the phone to the mix and it’s even worse.

114 Anon April 10, 2012 at 3:58 PM

If you get a chance take a look at the All American Boy on his FaceBook page. Not exactely a son I’d be proud of.

115 Anon April 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM

This killer will be sent home to sleep in his nice warm bed. I’m certain the dead man’s wife isn’t sleeping very well.

116 anon April 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM


117 Subterfuge April 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Generally I frown against juveniles being tried as an adult. That said, this guy is 17 years old. If the facts of the case show a complete disregard for the safety of others, then perhapse yes.

118 Rob April 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

We have over 300 million people in the United States.

We have almost 7 billion people on the planet.

We don’t need this guy walking around free to kill more people.

Try him as an adult, then lock him up.

For those who don’t believe in a life sentence – I’m good with that.

He can be released when the father and daughter come back to life.

119 Tried as an Adult....???? April 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM

There should be NO reason for any kind of trial. This Peuking Maggot Weasel should be able to man up enough to admit his guilt to all of the alleged offenses, and happily travel to whatever prison is deemed appropriate. He should be on his hands and knees begging to be punished.

120 Anon April 10, 2012 at 4:26 PM

I recall when the drunk driver killed the women on Treat (who was on the sidewalk) I was very upset he spent a couple of nights in jail and then went home with his family. I had to check, but I understand his sentence is house arrest. They were way too easy on this guy. Women is dead and he gets to remain in his home. Not very fair is it?

121 hmmmmmm? April 10, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Yes…ditto #106

122 Informed Dude April 10, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Seems like we want to try everyone as an adult now a days. Why even have a Juvenile Justice System? Lets just try everyone in the same court regardless of age. It would save us taxpayers alot of money.

123 Miley April 10, 2012 at 4:44 PM

If he thinks he can afford an escalade all on his own and drive around recklessly, he is an adult. If he is not tried as an adult he will basically be getting off the hook. Getting off easy will only be fuel to his fire, building a person we do not want being careless in our communities.

124 Randome Task April 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM

no way juvi for a 17 year old who obviously knew he was doing wrong he was posting his endevors and bragging and even made a name for his antics…..race fox…..JH is for kids who did not understand what they were doing because they are too young the world is way different than when JH was instituted ….JH is for children that are not held responsible for their actions because they know not the repercusions …..bragging and nameing your self for speeding and haveing near misses …and yeah 17 ..really you want to let a punk who allready is at Olympic HS for a reason….he can not abide by the rules of the regular folks even in HS and now you want to make him unresponsible again after he couldnt cut easy HS and went to joke HS ….and now behind the whell of a killing machine of a huge SUV and obviously knew he was speeding and knew the ramafications as he has posted it before ….yes indeed he should be tried as an adult 2 people are dead for no reason accept for the amusement of a person who didnt think the laws applied to them …..surprise …..ding dong welcome to the real world ….where you are accountable for your actions …dont worry you will be out in 8 years with good behavior maybe even sooner …..more like 5 ….lol and that is also the real world …people go to jail for more years when they steal money …..plow over a bunch of people and ehhh 6 years should do we have to many of you law breakers in here so we have to shuffle you through so you can mess up the lives of the people who are doing it right … the end there will be only the criminals because they will have dispatched all of us good folks

125 Miley April 10, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Yes. A car does not flip multiple times, ruin a building, and kill innocent people on its own. He should be held responsible for his recklessness. Things like this are not accidents, if you are going way over the speed limit on a busy street you should be aware of the consequences.

126 Billie April 10, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Since when is 17 considered an adult? Last I heard, it was 18. I would make a large bet that most of you posting here made bad choices when you were a child. I am happily married, a responsible parent, take care of my bills, look after my neighbors, and do what I can to help my community. I am responsible, giving and loving. Was I always responsible when I was young – no. At the age of 19, I was reckless in my car and slammed into an elderly couple in an intersection. I knew I was being reckless when I did it. They were hurt and thankfully recovered. If things had been different and they died, my life would be a horrible mess right now – as would my family’s. It was a miracle they didn’t die. 47 years later, I still regret that moment. I think about the couple and what could have happened all the time. It is a sobering reminder and part of my life’s journey & learning. Just sayin’……

127 Nick April 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM

For the few that have mentioned the driver freaking out when he saw the cyclists in his path, or the frequency with which cyclists are killed in the city, I would like to point out a key factor. They were on the damn sidewalk!!! Not in a crosswalk or a bike lane, or in the traffic lane. ON THE SIDEWALK. I would hope that he would have freaked out at the first point that he found himself driving on the sidewalk and not just when he realized that his slightly elevated “lane” of choice was occupied by pedestrians.

128 abc April 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM

abc7news says he’s been released from JH in Martinez.

129 Lorelei April 10, 2012 at 5:17 PM

#1: Now, it’s time to raise the driving age to 18….only adults should be piloting 5,000# moving blocks of steel and glass!
#2: This guy should never be allowed to drive again.
#3: If I did what he did, I’d be more afraid of what my parents would do to me than what the legal system would!

We are too damned soft on crime in this country. Why is the law always on the side of the criminal? This guy deserves a jury trial, and should have to live by their decision.

130 Nicmo April 10, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Why do you think this kid was at a continuation high school? How many schools has he attended before ending here and why? Did you read his facebook page as posted here? How did an unemployed 17 year old self named Racefox “earn” enough money to buy an Escalade and fix it up? Didn’t his parents wonder? Think about it. There are many rumors out there but a security guard at a local shopping center says he knows where the money comes from. This doesn’t mean he didn’t make a mistake but at least with me his character sure is in question.

131 @ Billie April 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Depends on how you define an adult. Teenagers think that they know everything and that we magically appeared on the planet as old and without a clue. They forget that we have lived a full life before them.
To assume that many of us were reckless and irresponsible at a young age, is preposterous. I had a strict upbringing and did not want to let my parents down. I drove some of the kids on my street to school and I was very responsible with my right to drive. I paid for my own gas, clothes, entertainment etc. All I know is that my parents had expectations of me and I did not want to disappoint them. I did not drink, get high, because my grandmother and uncle were drunks. I didn’t want to grow up to become like them. I demanded from MYSELF to be a good student and young adult. The only risks I seem to take were with clothing, music, hairstyles and a couple of extra piercings in my ears. Big deal.
Perhaps young males feel the need to rebel and be bad, who knows? You obviously realize how lucky you are that those 2 people that you hit survived. You can bet that their lives were never the same after that. Being hit that hard by a car will leave lasting injuries and pain…….

132 Keath April 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Yes I think he should be tried as an adult and i think his parents should be tried as well. I read something that he had said he had almost the same thing happen the Sat. before in the same place but it was a motorcycle that he almost hit and he was proud of it. Just give me 15min. with him and i will show him respect.

133 Adult actions deserve adult punishment April 10, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I dont care what anyone says, there has to be message sent. If this kid gets away with a slap on the wrist, well, that is where others will believe it is ok to do stupid crap because they are not adults. You know many people out there have thought the same thing when you were younger. I know a guy that was happy to get a conviction as a minor because he knew what would happen once he was an adult. He was 3 months shy of his 18th birthday.

People died on this day, a family is in mourning. This kid might get out to see his family and everyone wants to defend him because of his own problems? Others want to stop talking about it? I could not imagine the last few seconds of the persons involved. What they saw, felt, heard? Stop talking about it? He is just a kid?

You walk over to the family and tell them everything is going to be ok because the kid that slaughtered your family is just a kid.

134 Chunk April 10, 2012 at 5:45 PM

It depends on all the evidence that comes back against him.

135 TinFoiler April 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Please stop saying Rosen’s SUV rolled multiple times. If it did, it has to have the worlds best roof available on any vehicle, much like the unscathed “PentaLawn” on 9/11.
The trade off if they don’t try Him as an adult – Make Him enroll in the Military (yikes) it’s His only hope for a future.

136 WC Parent April 10, 2012 at 5:55 PM

NO, He is a kid! He is 17 years old.
He made a terrible, juvenile mistake that had a horrific outcome but he is still a kid and it was an accident.

137 KenInConcord April 10, 2012 at 5:56 PM

If he is MATURE enough to work as a regional sales representative for a non-documented pharmaceutical distribution organization. Then he Mature enough to stand trial as a adult.

138 D. Broussard April 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM

You all sound ridiculous! This is a forum of grown men and women presenting themselves as immature people with no censor. You make the story out as if he was determined or had a preconceived notion to go out and kill two innocent people whilst driving in his truck that day. You should be ashamed of yourselves!!!! When was it EVER ok to treat a child or adolescent as an adult? NEVER!!!! Yes, he should spend some time in juvenile detention, according to the checks and balances of our justice system. But locking him up and throwing away the key at such an early age? I have to agree with B and Minnie, 1) we need to understand and research how to better prevent situations like this from occurring and 2)the fact remains that he is a JUVENILE. Are you all dumb, slow, or stupid? This is also obviously a forum for Republican ignorance…

139 conan April 10, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Give him a fair trial and hang him in public.

140 conan April 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

D. Broussard 136,
You must be trolling because no reasonable sane person would make such an idiotic argument. Finally you attempt to switch it to a political issue. You’re clearly an ill person, get help.

141 Mario Andretti April 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

In high school my nickname was Mario Andretti-a famous race car driver from the 70’s and 80’s for those of you who might not know. I inherited money when my grandmother passed and I bought a sporty car with it. I loved to drive fast, and got a lot of attention for doing so, which I also liked. Even though some it was negative attention from speeding tickets, it was still attention, and it gave me “street cred” with my peers. I nearly had a very bad accident in the same spot as the horrific accident that we are opining on here, and I remember the policeman who gave me an “unsafe lane change” ticket was so angry at me he was shaking, and he told me he wished he could punish me more than just a ticket. I also didn’t have a great reputation in school- parents were convinced I would bring alcohol on school trips, even though I didn’t, because of how I behaved and the people I hung out with. I didn’t learn though, and continued to drive fast and recklessly until about age 25 or so, then I slowed down some. I slowed down to “normal” when I had kids, and regretted my rashness of youth and was grateful that I was never in any serious accidents. I am a good person, I always had a good heart even when I was channeling “Mario,” and making bad choices as a teen, and now I am well respected in my community and at my job. I could have easily been our young driver in this scenario and I turned out just fine. I suspect many of you in your youth could have been just like this kid. He does deserve punishment, without a doubt, but it should be commensurate not only with the crime but with his maturity level as defined under the law. The DA, with input from the victims family, will no doubt make that judgement. I vote to treat him as a juvenile.

142 conan April 10, 2012 at 6:08 PM

WC Parent 135,
There are NO accidents. Everything is the result of direct action.

143 ozziethedawg April 10, 2012 at 6:13 PM

“As answers trickle in, the Nuri family, halved in a horrific span of seconds, and their relatives prepare to lay their loved ones to rest. Emal Karzai, the widow’s brother, released a statement Tuesday thanking the community, police and prosecutors for their support. And while the teen driver’s release has elicited some outcry, the victims’ family is urging patience.
“We understand this will be a long process and have been made aware the driver might be released (Tuesday),” Karzai wrote. “We know this country has a justice system put in place and we respect it, that is why our families moved here over 27 years ago. At this time we are focused on being a family and laying our loved ones to rest and letting the police do their job.””
lets follow this example…

144 Anon April 10, 2012 at 6:24 PM

look at the way he acts on FB and how his friends and family talk. they are not good people, they are violent and angry people looking for a fight. do you want to be their neighbors? send the 17 YO to jail, likely the rest as soon as go F-somebody up.

old enough to do the crime (manslaughter) old enough to do the time

145 Andrew April 10, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Although I am outraged by his foolish actions, I do not believe anyone under the age of 18 should be tried as an adult.

It’s simple,

You are an adult when you are 18
You should not be treated like one until you reach that age.

146 Dennis April 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

“Below is a breakdown of the 2008 juvenile crimes statistical data, as a percentage of all crimes within a given category:
•16% of all violent crime arrests, 12% of all cleared;
•26% of all property crime arrests, 18% of all cleared;
•11% (1,740) of all murder victims were juveniles, with more than a third (38%) under the age of 5 years;
•A juvenile murder arrest rate of 3.8 arrests per 100,000 juveniles ages 10 through 17 – a 17% increase than the 2004 low of 3.3, but 74% less than the 1993 peak of 14.4;
•Juvenile arrests for aggravated assault decreased more for males than for females (22% vs. 17%) between the years 1999 and 2008 – a time period during which juvenile male arrests for simple assault dropped 6% and female arrests rose12%;
•African American youth were involved in 52% of juvenile Violent Crime Index arrests and 33% of juvenile Property Crime Index arrests, yet made up only 16% of the youth population aged 10–17 years; and arrest rates for those arrests falling under the Violent Crime Index in 2008 were significantly lower than the rates in the 1994 peak year for every age group under 40.

(Source: Charles Puzzanchera, Juvenile Arrests 2008, OJJDP and FBI URC).”

Please note these crime stats are excluded from DOJ summaries showing that the vast majority of serious crimes are committed by persons with a felony history, involved with gangs or drugs.

Why? By definition, Juveniles have no prior felony convictions. Maybe it is time to change that, so that the Juvenile offenders who turn 18 are correctly labelled as persons with prior felony convictions.

And we should encourage prosecutors to try those age 16-18 as adults.

147 Spider April 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Well safe to say he probably acted and thought he was a adult before this tragedy, so try him as if he was one. Second if I was to run into him or one of his “niggas” on the street it’s for damn sure I beat their little kid backsides like they were adults. If you want to play with the big boys expect to be treated like one.

148 Dennis April 10, 2012 at 6:37 PM

@Conan I agree. Accidents are events where the human(s) involved cannot influence the outcome … like a deer jumping off a berm and going through a windshield, killing the occupant of a car. Events where human(s) can affect the outcome, through action or inaction, are not accidents.

I don’t think that a driver, speeding, txting, flashing gang signs, can claim that a crash is an accident; the driver’s actions and inactions (following the law, minimizing distractions, perception of future consequences of current actions) should establish whether or not the driver is responsible for the outcome of the event.

149 # D Broussard April 10, 2012 at 6:40 PM

“we need to understand and research how to better prevent situations like this from occurring ”

It’s called BAD PARENTING and the entitled generation it has created.

Kid does something wrong parents take no action other than to talk it over.

Quit being your kids buddy and be a parent!

Poor little RACE FOX had an accident ripping through an intersection at 80 MPH and killed 2 people… not a lot of research and understanding needed here. This is the kind of attitude that creates these little pukes.

Well this is what you get as a result….

150 9 deuce daisy April 10, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Even Mr Rosen would want to be treated like an adult in any other situation. Why not this one?

151 anonymous April 10, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Be reasonable people, shut up and think about it for one minute. If it was your father/husband and daughter/sister that was killed by an irresponsible 17 year old would you want him to tried as an adult? Yes you would, obviously. So please stop being so ignorant open your eyes and be real. Just because it wasn’t your family doesn’t mean it isn’t a big deal. I’m very sure a lot of you would feel very differently and wouldn’t be saying half of the stuff you’re saying now if it was your father/ husband and daughter/sister. Those of you sticking up for him and saying stuff like “kids make mistakes” please shut up this is not just a simple mistake you can move on from two lives were taken, a father and nine year old daughter died. He is 17 years old that is a grown man he’s not a child if he’s old enough to go 80 in a 45 he’s old enough to rot in jail. Just remember you wouldn’t be as sympathetic towards him as you are now if it was your family members that were taken.

152 Chuckie the Troll April 10, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Way too early to decide if this young man should be tried at all, although in the end I think charges will be brought against him.

Personally, I’d rather see him spend a longer period of time in a CYA facility than a shorter time in an adult prison. This might be a place where a plea bargin can make sense.

An adult prison would certainly be punishment, but what are the chances young Rosen would leave there as anything but a monster after the inmates get done with him? Remember, he will get out one day and live among us again.

153 Sue April 10, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Whatever the outcome…2 people are dead and another’s life is impacted by poor judgement…a tragedy all around. Unfortunately, we cannot rewind the movie or have a “do over” no matter what the outcome is. :(

154 anon April 10, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Accept the responsibilities that you signed up for as a person who now has a driver’s license. Suck it up and tell yourself that you blew it. Yes, you are now an adult.

155 pissed off April 10, 2012 at 7:45 PM

hang the little punk

156 Sam April 10, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Duh!!! He obviously needs to be tried as an adult, we don’t need anymore wanna be gangsters in our city.

157 He's an adult!! April 10, 2012 at 8:10 PM

If he is not tried as an Adult, I’m voting for new officials in our city government… And I know a lot of people feel the same way

158 SoHo April 10, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Yes- David Rosen should be tried as an adult. When does he turn 18?

159 SoHo April 10, 2012 at 8:20 PM

He likes to be a regular at the liquor store every day after school. So treat him like the adult that his fake ID says he is…

160 Anonymous April 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

@Anonymous 151

WHERE does it say anywhere that he was going 80 in a 45? Assuming much?

161 SoHo April 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

@ B #8! How do we avoid this in the future?
1. Don’t have kids!!! Just kidding on that one
1. He’s had many speeding tickets ( what more can be done for him but lock him up.
2. Rumors of dealing drugs to pay for his Escalade
3. A regular @ the liquor store across the street from this tradgic sence
4. Character witness (not the model citizen) a thug,nigga, fxxx this attitude…
5.obviously not remorseful, calling friend instead of 911 after killing father/ daughter.Had every chance for being remorseful with the media.
6. Breaking the law in more than one way.
7.????? Anyone want to add????

162 anonnn April 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM

If the drug test comes back positive they have no way of knowing if it was from that day or a few days prior? once we know the facts then people should state their opinions. So what if he drove an SUV, keep in mind that he did not willingly kill a person. He didn’t take a gun, knife, or his hands and commit murder. If he was texting and driving or drinking and driving then thats different, he WILLINGLY put others in danger. To those of you saying he should be locked up for life and similar punishments, he is still a 17 year old. How would you feel if your teenager accidently hit someone and was being tried as an adult would you still be saying the nasty things you’re saying about him? I don’t think you would. Seems like most of you are more angry then the Nuri family who is grieving right now while still maintaining a positive attitude. & I’m sure you all are making this kid feel 1000% worse about what he did. RIP I will keep the Nuri Family in my prayers.

163 SoHo April 10, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Why does everyone want to move: in remote towns, to the country, to Canada, To another country, away from crime, a better ,safer place to raise a family? Because of wanna be gangsters and communities running to the ground by hudlums like these irresponsible kids who expect to have every thing handed to them on a silver plater.
Who wants to start a private village??? Just like the movie “The Village”.
No cars, no crime,no thugs, just a simple life, no money….

164 Ricardo April 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Someone said a Ford Fiesta (about 2500 lbs.) would have done as much damage as an Escalade(about 5600 lbs.) traveling at the same speed. Sounds like someone missed hight school physics

165 Spider April 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Just saw some photos of the kid with his girl. Now either she’s really big or he’s a twerp, not sure how that whittle boys going to do in prison. Funny thing is I don’t care, lock his arse up. And with adults!

166 madeinthebay April 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM

He is a juvenile. Yes, a stupid, careless juvenile who thinks he is the shit but I have yet to read facts. The only thing I have read is everyone’s opinion. If he was speeding, texting, talking on the phone, or doing something to break the law then most definitely he should be charged…as a juvenile. However, until then, he cannot be held in juvenile hall w/o evidence of a crime. This kid better get a reality check and I sure hope his parents take away ALL of his privileges and he should not be allowed to drive until he has learned a lesson. but again…it’s not a crime to get into an accident.

167 Jessie April 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Yes, at least there are a few of you who lived the real world. I don’t know what planet CONAN came from? The definition of accident is:
An event occurring by chance or unintentionally, by the way. And to the perfect saint who could do no wrong by pleasing his parents. If only we were all like YOU. However, we are not, & accidents do happen & kids do grow up. Until then, they are kids. You are a minor until you are 18 no matter how you act? Yes, teenagers think they know everything. THINK is the keyword. Didn’t you when you were one? This doesn’t mean he went out to run anyone over. Accidents happen & this was a very tragic one. Teenagers don’t always pay attention or think of the consequences, but that is why they are teenagers not adults. Their brains are still developing. Justice should be served but not as a mature adult premeditated murder. He will have to live with what he did his whole life & I’m sure he’ll never get over it, but, it will change his life & I think he will mature a little faster now. Prayers go out to both families.

168 Deebo April 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Why would anyone ride bikes on that street? Where we’re they headed next? The Freeway?

With so many trails and parks around, there’s no reason to be on that street with young kids. I think that fact is being overlooked. Maybe one of the kids fell and he swerved out of the way?? So many scenarios.

I’m not taking sides until the facts come out. Maybe it was just an accident? Maybe it was some punk kid showing off? Let everyone do their job before you tie the nuse.

169 pmclayton April 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

I think if you are under 18 you should never be tried as an adult for whatever crime you commit, you become an adult at 18 case closed. I also think the legal driving age should be 18, if it was we would not be talking about this right now and a horific accident would not have happened, my thoughts and prayers go out to the Nuri family.

170 J.T. April 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Okay for all the people who say he shouldn’t be tried as an adult then his parents should be tried. If he’s just a “kid” or a “teen” then legally his parents are responsible for him. Also if you have a drivers license then you should be old enough to understand what the rules are. If he is not tried as an adult we will be sending out the wrong message to the teens out there driving. Which is basically that you can get away easier because you are just a “kid” or “teen”. I hope they atleast take away his license and will write a letter to the dmv because I dont want this asshole putting my life or anybody else life in danger.

171 Ommgg April 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Two people died and it is extremely sad, but his intentions leaving his house was not to kill two people. Everyone needs to put themselves in his parents position or even in a position on a teenager, half the choices you make are two seconds before you make it. You can’t have a cold soul, remember he will have their two lives in his conscious for the rest of his life and that is pretty tough punishment itself. I don’t know the driver but I know he is going through some hard moments right now at such a young age. Remember he is only 17. Just my opioion

172 J.T. April 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

@ Deebo

Why would anybody dress like David. I mean where was David
headed to? Maybe to rob a bank? First of all this is Concord not Oakland. You should be able to walk or ride your bike anywhere you please unlike Oakland. Sounds to me either your another speeding punk or one of David fake ass gangster friend.

173 ozziethedawg April 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM

@168 have you not read anything? they were on the sidewalk. the suv jumped the sidewalk, hit a fire hydrant, killed two of them and then hit a building. they werent in the friggin street.

174 NO! April 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Most of the people on here are acting as they have never made mistakes and or sped before in their life. Yes it is sad that he killed two people and injured another but accidents happen but this was a tragic one unless he was on drugs or something I say he should not be tried as an adult because he is not an adult and also because it was not premeditated murder.

175 Antler April 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Deebo at #168 ~ ~ ~ The father and his two daughters were riding their bicycles on the SIDEWALK, and they were wearing helmets. I can tell you missed reading the first post Mayor made immediately following the collision. In that same thread, there is also an eye-witness description of the driver’s reckless driving prior to the collision.

176 klopsy April 10, 2012 at 10:12 PM

As far as sidewalks are concerned, in many places it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk due to pedestrian traffic. In fact, I did a little experiment while riding home from work one day: I rode on the sidewalk instead of in the street, and was almost hit FOUR TIMES within a two mile span because oncoming traffic NEVER LOOKS at the sidewalk, and I was turned in front of four times. I feel far safer in the street, honestly. I act like a car and follow the rules, I am visible and predictable, and I have NEVER been hit while doing so.

177 Randome Task April 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM

lol well when he gets out of JH in say 90 days and T bones your family car and walks away while you and your family are gone …we will be sure to send him back to JH

178 Nom de Plume April 10, 2012 at 10:46 PM

@coco #45 April 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Wow, I haven’t even read all the comments yet but yours jumped out at me…………… Really?? I can’t believe you said that. The bikes were on the sidewalk for heaven’s sake. Unbelievable.

179 dbcoops April 10, 2012 at 10:46 PM

he is asking to be tried as an adult so he can go to the big house like the guys he admires. he is probably proud cause now he has street cred and he probably cant wait to go to prison like he probably always wanted, that is why he already dresses the part

like it takes mr freud to tell how narcissistic this guy is with his fresh up out the chair look, bling hanging out his ear, probably looking at pictures of himself on facebook on his cellphone while he, all alone, steers his car built for eight to weave around some asshole who is harshing his buzz by going the speed limit . . .

and kooks come on here and defend the guy, give me a break

180 Anon. April 10, 2012 at 10:50 PM

@B His name is David Rosen.

181 Concernicus April 10, 2012 at 10:54 PM

If charges are filed against the suspect, in your opinion, should he be tried as an adult or as a juvenile?

ah, dont look so glum, folks! if he keeps his bullcrap up, his cute little brother will be joining him soon enough. family reunions are never sad.

182 Anon. April 10, 2012 at 10:57 PM

@klopsy Well you should be thankful for that instead of criticizing this who have passed on. I know people who have been riding their bikes on that sidewalk since they were kids and never got hit by a car. I drive a car and I’ve never almost hit a bike or almost hit a bike, so I don’t get your point. Don’t try to normalize an abnormal and illegal action that has cost innocent people their lives.

183 Anon. April 10, 2012 at 11:01 PM

@NO! Being tried as an adult doesn’t mean that the verdict will go a particular way. It just means that he acted an adult. I say yes, he should be tried as an adult.

184 Anon April 10, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Why do we allow kids going to a continuation school to have a drivers license? There should be a law to restrict drivers licenses by age, grades and performance in school. You don’t choose to go to continuation school it is not something you strive to get on your resume your are forced to go there for a reason. You need to prove yourself before you are allowed to have a license. Treat him as a stupid 17 year old kid and treat his parents as adults and hold them responsible they allowed it to happen.

185 Yes April 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM

He’s old enough to be driving around. He’s old enough to hit people with his car. He’s not a little kid, he’s 17 and he should be tried as adult.

186 Sel April 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM

He should be tried as an adult
convicted as an adult
and hanged as an adult.

187 SoHo April 10, 2012 at 11:58 PM

@ Deebo, have you been under a rock???? They were on a very,very wide sidewalk a block from their house!!!!! David was seen on the phone, speeding and trying to pass some by changing lanes and speeding through the yellow light before it turned red. Yes I was there. You need to go back and read the last 5 blogs, then you’ll know more. Understand how dumb you look by blaming this nice family who did everything right. They had helmets, two kids riding bikes with both parents, minding their own business. They made sidewalks for a reason and driving a car on it was not one of them. I think immature, ignorate kids like yourself should not be blogging.
Can tell you do not have a family of your own. And you think all the trails are safe? I’ve heard of people being attacked, mugged,raped,and dog attacks on other people. So you tell me, where is there a safe place if the sidewalk is no longer safe?

188 Sinn Feiner April 11, 2012 at 12:04 AM

A lot of us are saying YES he should be charged as an adult but it’s still too early to judge. We have to let the CPD and the D.A.’s office do their investigative work and then decide.

I’m definitely not sticking up for the guy but he’s 17 and not old enough to vote yet or go to war for our country. Not that he’s the type I’d trust voting for our representatives or fighting in our military.

If and when he gets charged & arrested, he may be going to County Jail sooner than we think if he’s turning 18 soon. Not sure how that will work though being that he was 17 when he committed the crime. Just have to wait and see how all this folds out.

189 SoHo April 11, 2012 at 12:07 AM

In some states, if you drop out of school or whatever, you loose your drivers lisence. And who’s name is on the escalade? If it is the parents, then they can be held liable.

190 @ klopsy #176 April 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM

You are going to put kids on a bike on a main drag!!!!! I lived in SF and you know, those are the rules to ride on the street in SF!! But I can honestly say, I have never seen a young kid on a bike in SF on the street. Before you start barking your head off about the city rules of riding a bike on the sidewalk vs street you should really do your homework. That is what google and bing is for.and also I do believe if it was a problem that they rode their bikes on the sidewalk, it would have been said on the news and they would have been given a ticket. I can’t believe how ignorate some of the people are on here…

191 Sooooo April 11, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Who owns the escalade???? David or his parents? Who ‘s name is on the title???? If it is his parents name on that SUV then they are held liable…

192 @ WC resident April 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM

You don’t think that the courts/ DA are not going to get out the magnify glass on this case? Social network is everybody business these days. I’m sure the DA will find out more info. From friends of David’s and witnesses and records, even teachers. I’m sure they will check the whole family. I highly doubt it would come from claycord, as that would be considered as hear say.

193 Mike April 11, 2012 at 12:57 AM

It’s actually a city ordinance in Concord (According to the Concord Police) that you have to ride in the street! The Concord Police has given people warnings for riding on the sidewalk even though it’s safer in my opinion. This is no joke! I even got stopped and was given a warning one time. I argued with the officer that it was safer because there was no bike lane on the street. He didn’t care. I still got a warning and every street that does have a bike lane is occupied by neighbors vehicles instead of parking in their own garage or driveway. That makes a lot of sense Concord. Lets spend the money on bike lanes but allow people to park in them and then harrass bike riders for riding on the sidewalk smh!!!

194 alex leo April 11, 2012 at 7:45 AM

about a good 90% of all you on here sound stupider than dog sh*t. it was a horrible thing to happen but not just 2 lives were lost there it was 3. that poor kids life is also ruined and gone. even tho he caused it he is also suffering. you ppl need to grow up and think what stupid sh*t you write. i feel horrible for both the families and my condolences go out to both

195 miggity April 11, 2012 at 7:51 AM

@Everyone talking about his INTENTIONS….no one thinks he intended to do this. That’s why he will be charged with manslaughter and not murder. Having good intentions doesn’t excuse the actions that led to this “accident”. His disregard for the law and putting himself above others which caused the “accident” is what he needs to be accountable for.

As for saying everyone on here probably did similar things in thier youth, that’s crazy. I was a good kid, a responsible teen and I never (even on my worst day) caused an “accident” that killed 2 people. NEVER!

His character is on display via his facebook page, it’s the truest glimpse we have and it’s not pretty. His history thus far is also not so great, a drop out with no job yet he has proudly claimed he bought a car I probably can’t even afford with his own cash. He wasn’t anything but arrogant prior to this event and the ONLY thing that will possibly correct his future is a long jail sentence so he has nothing but time to think about what he did…

I vote to try him as an adult.

196 Mister Wister April 11, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Tried as an adult? What a ridiculous question. This isn’t the kind of incident where that question comes into play.

197 BUCK426 April 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM

….by his facebook page and choice of vehicle he’s obviously a cool kid, and it was just an accident = “he didn’t do it on purpose….” we should let him go, push him towards his rap career, or better yet, get him signed for a reality show.


198 Judge Judy April 11, 2012 at 10:00 AM

@Sooooo minors can’t enter into contracts. The parents own the vehicle and their names are on the title.

199 @Mister Wister April 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM

“This isn’t the kind of incident where that question comes into play.”

I agree this isn’t the type of case that the law was meant to allow to be moved to the adult court system, however…… The Mayor of Claycord has done a very good job of getting public opinion whipped up in this case. The District Attorney is an elected official who wants to win the next election. So……

200 @Mister wister April 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Agree with #201. This is a political case and not to moving it into adult courts would be political suicide. If Peterson wants re-elected he better take it to adult court.and win jail time.

201 @ Soho April 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Why does everyone want to move: in remote towns, to the country, to Canada, To another country, away from crime, a better ,safer place to raise a family? Because of wanna be gangsters and communities running to the ground by hudlums like these irresponsible kids who expect to have every thing handed to them on a silver plater.
Who wants to start a private village???

If you’re going to be in the village, count me out. Plater?? Hudlums?
I think you meant platter and hoodlums. Well intentioned writing efforts. Are you going to be the new towns village idiot??

202 @ Soho April 11, 2012 at 11:37 AM

“In some states, if you drop out of school or whatever, you loose your drivers lisence. And who’s name is on the escalade? If it is the parents, then they can be held liable.”

Another commendable writing effort. Loose as in Footloose?? Lisence?? Wow. Looks like you already dropped out of school…….

203 @ Anon April 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

@anon, I totally agree with you on all points, well said.

204 lac April 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

To TinFoiler #135

He did roll the SUV according to a witness acount from SF Chronicle:
“It was horrible,” said Mark Lucas, who manages an oil-change business across the street. “I heard a boom and ran outside. I saw the SUV roll over maybe four or five times and heard kids screaming.”

Read more:

205 Village April 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM

@If you’re going to be in the village, count me out. Plater?? Hudlums?
I think you meant platter and hoodlums. Well intentioned writing efforts. Are you going to be the new towns village idiot??

I guess you don’t own an iPad. You would know that the text has a mind of it’s own. Yea, your probably right, I wouldn’t allow any smartass like yourself in our village. You knew what I meant and the message came through to you…

206 @ lac April 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Tye SUV did NOT roll over. The SUV hit fire hydrant , bikers, building; then bounced off wall/building. If you were there an saw the sence you would see that the SUV would have ended up further away.

207 @ Village April 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Well excuse me. I do have an I-pad but I don’t like to text. Nice retort. You’re sharper than your posts suggest. Have a good day!!

208 Shuley April 11, 2012 at 12:50 PM

My god, there is some staggering ignorance on this board.

@ “He’s an Adult” #157

“If he is not tried as an Adult, I’m voting for new officials in our city government… And I know a lot of people feel the same way”.

-Really? Do you really think “officials in our city” have ANYTHING to do with that decision? That decision is made by a judge in court. That judge is held to upholding state (and federal) statutes and, to some extent, precedent from higher courts. And guess what? He’s not elected. Get a clue.

It is extremely unlikely the parents will face any Criminal charges, However, civil liability, if he is convicted or pleads guilty (or no contest) to charges are certainly possible.

I tend to observe Claycord posters are politically right. I tend to think they are proud Americans. We have a judicial system in this country. It is far from perfect, but it is what we have and it is the best in the world. While we have the right to express our feelings and opinions, comments like hanging him in public and putting him in jail for life are ignorant and not helpful.

It appears this kid was reckless and extremely negligent. He should pay for his crime, and I do think it was a crime. However, the court cannot ignore the LAW and precedent delivered from other courts. The moment we lose control of our legal system, the America I love is gone. If you want to see kids like this dragged out to the public square and hung, move to the middle east. Please send a postcard.

209 Shuley April 11, 2012 at 12:57 PM

@ Mister Wister

I agree with you. That comes into play with intentional homicide, gang violence, racially motivated violence, etc. Although the DA may attempt a venue change for political purposes, he will lose in court.

210 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Shame on you for putting out such a one sided question!! I have a 17 and 19 year old . And that is all I want to say about that rediculous question
My heart goes out to the Nuri family .To loose a Father , a daughter of only 9 years young is tragic. To be twelve ,alone ,with your Mother beside you, in the hospital, healing and grieving together is unbearable.
And my heart also goes out to the family of this 17 years young boy .Who has a life of grief and strife ahead of him after causing such loss,pain and suffering .
For I do know that children and youth make mistakes ,every day . My own extended family lost a gorgeous soul to a tragic driving mistake and this never changes.
But I do know that youth is not to be wasted on these mistakes . And I have forgiveness in my heart . I know this is a lesson one can never learn if behind bars and shamed forever, for something that could have happened to ANY of our kids.It would be a crime.
And more often than not ….it is an adult distracted driver who is to blame, not a young( over confident and inexperienced) distracted driver.

211 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Stop trying to lynch mob someone! This is why youth will never learn .Shame and berating this person does us and him no good. Many tragic things could become of this .
I want to focus on the life that was spared and the beautiful Mother, wife and family who will live on .There giving and caring Mother , who decided to stay in and make breakfast for them , too tired for a bike ride. She is alive to hold her 12 years olds hands and guide her life in her Father and Sisters honor. Long live the strength of the human spirit and may it guide us to peace , love , forgiveness, until
our demise.
I choose to know , that love over comes loss.

212 NoseyNellie April 11, 2012 at 1:33 PM

No…He is a juvenile. Period!!!! End of conversation….

213 @ NoseyNellie April 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

What does his fake ID say? The one DR uses at the liquor store?

214 Dennis April 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM

“that poor kids life is also ruined and gone. even tho he caused it he is also suffering.”


“I know this is a lesson one can never learn if behind bars and shamed forever”

– and –

“Shame and berating this person does us and him no good.”

Really? Your comments could apply to anyone – adult or minor – who commits a horrific crime. Gee, don’t punish them, because they already have to ‘deal with it’ for the rest of their lives? Gee, don’t shame them, ridicule them, show them (and their pals) that society strongly disapproves of their actions?

How else do you expect society to teach responsibility and accountability, by ‘acceptance’ and ‘tolerance’ of those who commit crimes?

That doesn’t work.


LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) — Kevin Holder’s rap sheet is 43 pages long,
dating back to 1980, and he just got another entry, his 226th
arrest. Police say they caught him Sunday morning after a brief
chase and found burglar tools in his possession.

“He’s very well-known to Lincoln police officers,”
Police Chief Tom Casady said.

Holder’s convictions include criminal mischief, marijuana possession,
violation of protection order, assault, resisting arrest, assault on
an officer, possession of cocaine. Many were misdemeanors, but he also
has been sentenced to at least three prison terms for felonies, including
a four-year stretch starting in 1996.

Holder’s list of arrests doesn’t come close to setting a
record for Lincoln-Lancaster County. He’s No. 40, police
spokeswoman Katherine Finnell said Tuesday.

A number of people have more than 500 arrests in the city of 226,000 people.

The record was held by Edward Rooks, who died in 2004, with 652 arrests.

215 Ryan April 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM

@ Pinkster…”I have forgiveness in my heart”

That’s beautiful, but this tragedy is not yours to forgive.

Don’t be so narcissistic, and don’t be so dismissive of the community outrage. It’s an insult to those who want to see a fair and just outcome, whatever the facts might ultimately prove.

216 @ Andrew #145 April 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Although I am outraged by his foolish actions, I do not believe anyone under the age of 18 should be tried as an adult.
It’s simple,
You are an adult when you are 18
You should not be treated like one until you reach that age.

So if a 15 yr old kid breaks into your parents house and kills them, he should be charged as a juvenile?
This is where they came up with charging a juvenile as an adult!!!
And in David’s case he has broken the law many times and had multiple warnings, he shouldbe treated as an adult.

217 @ Ryan/ pinkster # 217 April 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM

@ Pinkster…”I have forgiveness in my heart”. #212
That’s beautiful, but this tragedy is not yours to forgive. #217

@ Ryan , I think Pinkster was trying to say, that they have forgiveness in their heart concerning the traffic accident that happened with their own extended family member.

218 gimli April 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM

There was a drunk driving case where the plaintiff (the victim’s family), in lieu of jail time, asked the judge to make the defendant pay and mail a $1 check to the family for the rest of the defendant’s natural life. The check had to be handwritten by the defendant each day. I really like this punishment because it reminds the killer what they’ve done, and also allows the victim’s family to forgive in a different way. I hope the family can find peace.

219 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM

All of you who feel the need to harass those who have compassion and forgiveness for this situation are definitely NOT parents of a teenager .Plus, this was a mistake . No one wakes up with these intentions. To say our system of ridicule and berating is right is a travesty .
We have laws so they can be followed . And the seat belt law was put into place because of distraction . Forcing drivers to be safer . The cell phone laws and distraction laws will make a difference too . Unfortunately ,these incidences are what makes change occur . Let us all use this as a way to change the way we communicate the risks to our children.
I have never heard of a child that was incarcerated who came out a renewed and well adjusted person who could function well amongst our society and learned a valuable lesson .
Thiere are better ways and they can be implemented.

220 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 5:28 PM

@ Ryan , I agree with you that justice is what needs to be served and let us let the justice system do it . To say one is narcissistic because one has forgiveness for others whether involved or not, is judgement I wouldn’t want to carry. I love my community and appreciate the outrage for the loss.But to offer only hatred and judgement,and comparisons , is a neanderthal approach.

221 J.T. April 11, 2012 at 7:29 PM

When is this kid or his parents going to issue an apology to the family?

222 Soquicktojudge April 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM

He’s 17, he’s not a adult and should not be tried as one. Most 17 year olds don’t get that they are touchable, that choices have consequences. If we meaning society and the system can not reform a 17 year old boy, then why do we try to do it with grown men?

It’s a horrible tragedy. Horrible. Could have been prevented, and I get the anger… But there is a lesson to be learned an maybe this boy can commit himself to teaching it. He will serve time, his own life will forever be affected..let’s hope he can in turn affect others from making the same aweful mistake he did. We want to save lives, and serve purpose to the father and daughter who lost theirs.

223 @seriously 93 April 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

@ seriously 93 — Yes any car has the potential to do damage no matter how old or new! Its the drivers responsibility to drive it and operate it safely. Which he wasn’t doing. Speeding and talking on the phone, running through yellow lights and changing lanes in an intersection happen to all be against the law! So think again about what you said. It doesn’t matter if it was an old station wagon or a new car its the driver behind the wheel that is at fault and is THE PROBLEM here. Also maybe if he was driving an old station wagon he wouldn’t have been able to go 80 miles per hour down treat Blvd.

224 Soooooo April 11, 2012 at 11:37 PM

You know what gets me in this whole thing??? Why on earth did David make a call to his friend Adam Gartside immediately after hitting the family on the bikes? Personally a long time of go, in 1994 I hit someone who actually ran out in front of the SUV I was driving… The person was ok, maybe broken leg and I was not sited b/c it was their fault, lots of whiteness. But I was freaking out when I hit him, I could not stop screaming, I ran to the person I hit to make sure he was ok. I was shaking for days, even though I was told he was ok and it was not my fault. Why didn’t David run out to check or call 911? Instead he called his friend?…. He seems to be desensitized to human life?

225 Concernicus April 11, 2012 at 11:44 PM

@pinkster #219: if hes old enough to drive, hes old enough to take responsibility for his actions. babying him wont help anything, and other youngsters who see him get a pass on a manslaughter charge because of his age will be keen to use it to excuse voluntary crimes of the same magnitude.
i wonder if theres any actual thought process to your compassion, or if its all just incoherent blubbery emotion. supposing YOUR teens dont have the IQ of a squirrel, they should be just fine. this young man made his choices…regrettable choices, but choices nonetheless. he had control over what he did; he did wrong.
if he wants to be a “thug” so bad, judging him harshly will bring him one step closer to that glamorous lifestyle.

226 dbcoops April 12, 2012 at 1:44 AM

yeah yeah Pinkster, look a parent of a teenager like you is obviously bias and blinded to the situation here, that’s why a jury wouldn’t pick you and that’s why you should be more careful about who you defend, cause rallying for race fox makes you look as stupid as the parents who gave their problem teenager an escalade to along with his gangster attire so he could pretend to be like one of the thugs in the pen where now belongs, the parents obviously encouraged this kid to act out and i’ll be surprised if they dont come under serious fire before this thing is done

227 Mary April 12, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Should he be tried as an adult? Isn’t he 17? Did they change the age?

Does that mean he can vote?

228 @ PINKSTER April 12, 2012 at 9:03 AM

It is your attitude that makes many youth the little arrogant punks they are today. Oh poor young boy he made a mistake, poor poor little boy! This young man needs an example made of him. Lock him him up and let it be a reminder to the arrogant teens of today. You want to act like a wannabe “thug” or a irresponsible little  punk be prepared to get dealt with by the law and the community!

229 anono April 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I don’t think he should be tried as an adult. We need to establish a definite age of maturity. If it’s 18, then they can drink, join the military, and be tried as an adult at 18. If it’s 21, then it should be 21 for everything.

230 @ everyone April 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Everyone keeps on calling David R. a wanna be this & that. I wouldn’t say that, I would say, he is a thug, a hooligan, hoodlum, what have you….

231 dbcoops April 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

some people grow up in the hood and they have to act hard to survive, this kid grew up not in the hood and acts hard to act out. there is a difference

232 concord 925 April 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM

He should be tried as an adult. He was old enough to buy an Escalade without a job but somehow came up with the money to buy it without the help from his parents as he mentioned on his Facebook page, so he was obviously was doing shady things already.

233 dbcoops April 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

@concord 925

if you believe his parents didn’t give him that car I have a bridge to sell you, all that talk about him earning his own ride with his own money is just internet tough guy bravado

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