The Water Cooler: Should the Double Fatal Collision Suspect be Tried as an Adult?

April 10, 2012 12:00 pm · 233 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

As we reported last night, the 17-year-old double-fatal collision suspect who hit & killed two people in Concord on Saturday will be released from juvenile hall today, but could be re-arrested if the District Attorney decides to file charges.

If charges are filed against the suspect, in your opinion, should he be tried as an adult or as a juvenile?

Talk about it!….

201 @ Soho April 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Why does everyone want to move: in remote towns, to the country, to Canada, To another country, away from crime, a better ,safer place to raise a family? Because of wanna be gangsters and communities running to the ground by hudlums like these irresponsible kids who expect to have every thing handed to them on a silver plater.
Who wants to start a private village???

If you’re going to be in the village, count me out. Plater?? Hudlums?
I think you meant platter and hoodlums. Well intentioned writing efforts. Are you going to be the new towns village idiot??

202 @ Soho April 11, 2012 at 11:37 AM

“In some states, if you drop out of school or whatever, you loose your drivers lisence. And who’s name is on the escalade? If it is the parents, then they can be held liable.”

Another commendable writing effort. Loose as in Footloose?? Lisence?? Wow. Looks like you already dropped out of school…….

203 @ Anon April 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

@anon, I totally agree with you on all points, well said.

204 lac April 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

To TinFoiler #135

He did roll the SUV according to a witness acount from SF Chronicle:
“It was horrible,” said Mark Lucas, who manages an oil-change business across the street. “I heard a boom and ran outside. I saw the SUV roll over maybe four or five times and heard kids screaming.”

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/07/BASE1O0DCI.DTL#ixzz1rl6rv0fL

205 Village April 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM

@If you’re going to be in the village, count me out. Plater?? Hudlums?
I think you meant platter and hoodlums. Well intentioned writing efforts. Are you going to be the new towns village idiot??

I guess you don’t own an iPad. You would know that the text has a mind of it’s own. Yea, your probably right, I wouldn’t allow any smartass like yourself in our village. You knew what I meant and the message came through to you…

206 @ lac April 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Tye SUV did NOT roll over. The SUV hit fire hydrant , bikers, building; then bounced off wall/building. If you were there an saw the sence you would see that the SUV would have ended up further away.

207 @ Village April 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Well excuse me. I do have an I-pad but I don’t like to text. Nice retort. You’re sharper than your posts suggest. Have a good day!!

208 Shuley April 11, 2012 at 12:50 PM

My god, there is some staggering ignorance on this board.

@ “He’s an Adult” #157

“If he is not tried as an Adult, I’m voting for new officials in our city government… And I know a lot of people feel the same way”.

-Really? Do you really think “officials in our city” have ANYTHING to do with that decision? That decision is made by a judge in court. That judge is held to upholding state (and federal) statutes and, to some extent, precedent from higher courts. And guess what? He’s not elected. Get a clue.

It is extremely unlikely the parents will face any Criminal charges, However, civil liability, if he is convicted or pleads guilty (or no contest) to charges are certainly possible.

I tend to observe Claycord posters are politically right. I tend to think they are proud Americans. We have a judicial system in this country. It is far from perfect, but it is what we have and it is the best in the world. While we have the right to express our feelings and opinions, comments like hanging him in public and putting him in jail for life are ignorant and not helpful.

It appears this kid was reckless and extremely negligent. He should pay for his crime, and I do think it was a crime. However, the court cannot ignore the LAW and precedent delivered from other courts. The moment we lose control of our legal system, the America I love is gone. If you want to see kids like this dragged out to the public square and hung, move to the middle east. Please send a postcard.

209 Shuley April 11, 2012 at 12:57 PM

@ Mister Wister

I agree with you. That comes into play with intentional homicide, gang violence, racially motivated violence, etc. Although the DA may attempt a venue change for political purposes, he will lose in court.

210 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Shame on you for putting out such a one sided question!! I have a 17 and 19 year old . And that is all I want to say about that rediculous question
My heart goes out to the Nuri family .To loose a Father , a daughter of only 9 years young is tragic. To be twelve ,alone ,with your Mother beside you, in the hospital, healing and grieving together is unbearable.
And my heart also goes out to the family of this 17 years young boy .Who has a life of grief and strife ahead of him after causing such loss,pain and suffering .
For I do know that children and youth make mistakes ,every day . My own extended family lost a gorgeous soul to a tragic driving mistake and this never changes.
But I do know that youth is not to be wasted on these mistakes . And I have forgiveness in my heart . I know this is a lesson one can never learn if behind bars and shamed forever, for something that could have happened to ANY of our kids.It would be a crime.
And more often than not ….it is an adult distracted driver who is to blame, not a young( over confident and inexperienced) distracted driver.

211 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Stop trying to lynch mob someone! This is why youth will never learn .Shame and berating this person does us and him no good. Many tragic things could become of this .
I want to focus on the life that was spared and the beautiful Mother, wife and family who will live on .There giving and caring Mother , who decided to stay in and make breakfast for them , too tired for a bike ride. She is alive to hold her 12 years olds hands and guide her life in her Father and Sisters honor. Long live the strength of the human spirit and may it guide us to peace , love , forgiveness, until
our demise.
I choose to know , that love over comes loss.

212 NoseyNellie April 11, 2012 at 1:33 PM

No…He is a juvenile. Period!!!! End of conversation….

213 @ NoseyNellie April 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

What does his fake ID say? The one DR uses at the liquor store?

214 Dennis April 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM

“that poor kids life is also ruined and gone. even tho he caused it he is also suffering.”

and

“I know this is a lesson one can never learn if behind bars and shamed forever”

– and –

“Shame and berating this person does us and him no good.”

Really? Your comments could apply to anyone – adult or minor – who commits a horrific crime. Gee, don’t punish them, because they already have to ‘deal with it’ for the rest of their lives? Gee, don’t shame them, ridicule them, show them (and their pals) that society strongly disapproves of their actions?

How else do you expect society to teach responsibility and accountability, by ‘acceptance’ and ‘tolerance’ of those who commit crimes?

That doesn’t work.

—————–

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) — Kevin Holder’s rap sheet is 43 pages long,
dating back to 1980, and he just got another entry, his 226th
arrest. Police say they caught him Sunday morning after a brief
chase and found burglar tools in his possession.

“He’s very well-known to Lincoln police officers,”
Police Chief Tom Casady said.

Holder’s convictions include criminal mischief, marijuana possession,
violation of protection order, assault, resisting arrest, assault on
an officer, possession of cocaine. Many were misdemeanors, but he also
has been sentenced to at least three prison terms for felonies, including
a four-year stretch starting in 1996.

Holder’s list of arrests doesn’t come close to setting a
record for Lincoln-Lancaster County. He’s No. 40, police
spokeswoman Katherine Finnell said Tuesday.

A number of people have more than 500 arrests in the city of 226,000 people.

The record was held by Edward Rooks, who died in 2004, with 652 arrests.

215 Ryan April 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM

@ Pinkster…”I have forgiveness in my heart”

That’s beautiful, but this tragedy is not yours to forgive.

Don’t be so narcissistic, and don’t be so dismissive of the community outrage. It’s an insult to those who want to see a fair and just outcome, whatever the facts might ultimately prove.

216 @ Andrew #145 April 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Although I am outraged by his foolish actions, I do not believe anyone under the age of 18 should be tried as an adult.
It’s simple,
You are an adult when you are 18
You should not be treated like one until you reach that age.

So if a 15 yr old kid breaks into your parents house and kills them, he should be charged as a juvenile?
This is where they came up with charging a juvenile as an adult!!!
And in David’s case he has broken the law many times and had multiple warnings, he shouldbe treated as an adult.

217 @ Ryan/ pinkster # 217 April 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM

@ Pinkster…”I have forgiveness in my heart”. #212
That’s beautiful, but this tragedy is not yours to forgive. #217

@ Ryan , I think Pinkster was trying to say, that they have forgiveness in their heart concerning the traffic accident that happened with their own extended family member.

218 gimli April 11, 2012 at 4:35 PM

There was a drunk driving case where the plaintiff (the victim’s family), in lieu of jail time, asked the judge to make the defendant pay and mail a $1 check to the family for the rest of the defendant’s natural life. The check had to be handwritten by the defendant each day. I really like this punishment because it reminds the killer what they’ve done, and also allows the victim’s family to forgive in a different way. I hope the family can find peace.

219 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM

All of you who feel the need to harass those who have compassion and forgiveness for this situation are definitely NOT parents of a teenager .Plus, this was a mistake . No one wakes up with these intentions. To say our system of ridicule and berating is right is a travesty .
We have laws so they can be followed . And the seat belt law was put into place because of distraction . Forcing drivers to be safer . The cell phone laws and distraction laws will make a difference too . Unfortunately ,these incidences are what makes change occur . Let us all use this as a way to change the way we communicate the risks to our children.
I have never heard of a child that was incarcerated who came out a renewed and well adjusted person who could function well amongst our society and learned a valuable lesson .
Thiere are better ways and they can be implemented.

220 Pinkster April 11, 2012 at 5:28 PM

@ Ryan , I agree with you that justice is what needs to be served and let us let the justice system do it . To say one is narcissistic because one has forgiveness for others whether involved or not, is judgement I wouldn’t want to carry. I love my community and appreciate the outrage for the loss.But to offer only hatred and judgement,and comparisons , is a neanderthal approach.

221 J.T. April 11, 2012 at 7:29 PM

When is this kid or his parents going to issue an apology to the family?

222 Soquicktojudge April 11, 2012 at 10:07 PM

He’s 17, he’s not a adult and should not be tried as one. Most 17 year olds don’t get that they are touchable, that choices have consequences. If we meaning society and the system can not reform a 17 year old boy, then why do we try to do it with grown men?

It’s a horrible tragedy. Horrible. Could have been prevented, and I get the anger… But there is a lesson to be learned an maybe this boy can commit himself to teaching it. He will serve time, his own life will forever be affected..let’s hope he can in turn affect others from making the same aweful mistake he did. We want to save lives, and serve purpose to the father and daughter who lost theirs.

223 @seriously 93 April 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

@ seriously 93 — Yes any car has the potential to do damage no matter how old or new! Its the drivers responsibility to drive it and operate it safely. Which he wasn’t doing. Speeding and talking on the phone, running through yellow lights and changing lanes in an intersection happen to all be against the law! So think again about what you said. It doesn’t matter if it was an old station wagon or a new car its the driver behind the wheel that is at fault and is THE PROBLEM here. Also maybe if he was driving an old station wagon he wouldn’t have been able to go 80 miles per hour down treat Blvd.

224 Soooooo April 11, 2012 at 11:37 PM

You know what gets me in this whole thing??? Why on earth did David make a call to his friend Adam Gartside immediately after hitting the family on the bikes? Personally a long time of go, in 1994 I hit someone who actually ran out in front of the SUV I was driving… The person was ok, maybe broken leg and I was not sited b/c it was their fault, lots of whiteness. But I was freaking out when I hit him, I could not stop screaming, I ran to the person I hit to make sure he was ok. I was shaking for days, even though I was told he was ok and it was not my fault. Why didn’t David run out to check or call 911? Instead he called his friend?…. He seems to be desensitized to human life?

225 Concernicus April 11, 2012 at 11:44 PM

@pinkster #219: if hes old enough to drive, hes old enough to take responsibility for his actions. babying him wont help anything, and other youngsters who see him get a pass on a manslaughter charge because of his age will be keen to use it to excuse voluntary crimes of the same magnitude.
i wonder if theres any actual thought process to your compassion, or if its all just incoherent blubbery emotion. supposing YOUR teens dont have the IQ of a squirrel, they should be just fine. this young man made his choices…regrettable choices, but choices nonetheless. he had control over what he did; he did wrong.
if he wants to be a “thug” so bad, judging him harshly will bring him one step closer to that glamorous lifestyle.

226 dbcoops April 12, 2012 at 1:44 AM

yeah yeah Pinkster, look a parent of a teenager like you is obviously bias and blinded to the situation here, that’s why a jury wouldn’t pick you and that’s why you should be more careful about who you defend, cause rallying for race fox makes you look as stupid as the parents who gave their problem teenager an escalade to along with his gangster attire so he could pretend to be like one of the thugs in the pen where now belongs, the parents obviously encouraged this kid to act out and i’ll be surprised if they dont come under serious fire before this thing is done

227 Mary April 12, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Should he be tried as an adult? Isn’t he 17? Did they change the age?

Does that mean he can vote?

228 @ PINKSTER April 12, 2012 at 9:03 AM

It is your attitude that makes many youth the little arrogant punks they are today. Oh poor young boy he made a mistake, poor poor little boy! This young man needs an example made of him. Lock him him up and let it be a reminder to the arrogant teens of today. You want to act like a wannabe “thug” or a irresponsible little  punk be prepared to get dealt with by the law and the community!

229 anono April 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I don’t think he should be tried as an adult. We need to establish a definite age of maturity. If it’s 18, then they can drink, join the military, and be tried as an adult at 18. If it’s 21, then it should be 21 for everything.

230 @ everyone April 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Everyone keeps on calling David R. a wanna be this & that. I wouldn’t say that, I would say, he is a thug, a hooligan, hoodlum, what have you….

231 dbcoops April 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

@everyone
some people grow up in the hood and they have to act hard to survive, this kid grew up not in the hood and acts hard to act out. there is a difference

232 concord 925 April 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM

He should be tried as an adult. He was old enough to buy an Escalade without a job but somehow came up with the money to buy it without the help from his parents as he mentioned on his Facebook page, so he was obviously was doing shady things already.

233 dbcoops April 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

@concord 925

if you believe his parents didn’t give him that car I have a bridge to sell you, all that talk about him earning his own ride with his own money is just internet tough guy bravado

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