The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!
Today’s question:
Do you carry a weapon with you when you leave the house? (gun, knife, pepper spray, etc.)
If your answer is “yes”, tell us what kind of weapon.
Talk about it….
The Water Cooler: Do You Carry a Weapon?
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Yes, my razor sharp wit.
in my home I am usually within arms reach of a gun. Outside of my home though the politicians have all but eliminated our 2nd Amendment rights even though the Constitution says they shall not be infringed. I would get my CCW if it wasn’t a waste of $320 just to get denied.
.380 semi auto
Never leave home without it.
No, I used to have to wear a 38 while on duty in the Air Force. I always worried about an accident. I don’t want to take away gun owners right, I just think that in most cases having one for protection is more likely to cause an accident than it is to prevent a crime. It’s a personal choice.
And why would I advertise that? Not telling. Gives the cops nothing to search and the thugs a surprise.
Carry a knife, but not really for protection purpose…but I would use it if I felt threatened. Gun at home! Don’t come in uninvited unless you want to be shot…
Pending. I am, however, considering purchasing one for the house.
Pepper Spray
Back in the day, we didn`t need weapons.
You`d use just your hands.
Once you drew blood, it was over.
But now-a-days all the little tough guys need to use a gun or knife.
Because they can`t use their hands for anything, other then gang signs
Sucka Repellant
Yes a small taser.
I always have at least one knife of some sort on me. I use them for work, so it’s just habit now to always carry one.
Yes I DO! & Shhhhhh! Don’t tell anyone! It’s a surprise! ;~)
Cheers!
No comment.
I don’t carry a weapon outside the home. I have a baseball bat i the garage for ‘recreation’, a knife in the car in case we need to ‘cut our way out’, and I think there might be a few more items as well. I never carry a gun because this County won’t issue a concealed carry permit because our liberal BOS and Sheriff don’t beleive in the 2nd Ammendment.
If you look at Florida and other states that have the Castle Doctrine (break into my house and I can shoot/kill you) and concealed carry as a right, you’ll notice that their crime rates go down. But who ever said that liberals are rational or follow the US Constitution?
Uh… Yeah… Considering that my hands are registered lethal weapons.
I just can’t wait for the day when all the fraidy cats out there make it so I have to be handcuffed to fly a commercial airline.
I’ve also carried a Swiss Army Knife in my pocket, since I was 6.
As far as weapons out in public… Watch a Jackie Chan movie sometime. One word… “Improvisation”.
But I will say that I seem to be going to the range a lot more frequently these days…
. 40 caliber pistol.
Yes … my purse. I’ve been told it’s a weapon!
…everything I touch is a weapon.
An individual’s accoutable for their actions, and focus should not be on the tool, whether in possession in prepreation for, or used in, a combative situation.
I have a fully automatic ar 15 and full body armor that I always have with me when I leave the house. It does get hot in the body armor but I wear a camelbak water system under my body armor.
Barbara February 21, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Pending. I am, however, considering purchasing one for the house.
does anyone understand this? why does ‘Barbara’ post this nonsense. Holly Smokes…
I choose not to follow bad gun laws passed by the liberal idiots in this state. Gun free zones do one thing and one thing only, guarantee defenseless victims for criminals. Ask any con and they will tell you that they love gun free zones. I am a lifelong martial artist and am very confident in my ability to defend myself, however I carry a gun everywhere I go. No I do not have CCW because our city police chief won’t even consider an application unless you are law enforcement. The second amendment is all the permit I need.
I do now – a 38 two rounder. Fits easy in a pocket. Never know when I’m in a parking lot, getting gas, etc. and some jackass approaches. Never thought about it but when things start happening about two blocks from where I live, things have changed my mind. Can’t waste the money to apply and get denied for a CC permit.
I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this
world can be a scary place.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are
real threats in the world.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived
long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I
understand the limitations of government.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to
spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I
want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere
tomorrow afternoon.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun
because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men
know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed
and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and
the people who make it meaningful to me.
“Police Protection” is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime; they usually just investigate the crime
after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take
an ass whoopin’.
..author unknown (but obviously brilliant)
Remember the average response time to a 911 call is over 4 minutes.
The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS.
I carry a Taser C2 and a knife or two.
I smell a setup.
I’ve always carried a pocket knife with me during my bike rides at night over the years. I always have a 9mm Beretta handgun in my truck also unloaded and locked up though of course per law. I do have loaded magazines though.
For as many years as I’ve had that gun, I have NEVER had to pull it out for self defense or safety. I think that says something for Concord!
Not telling. Let the scumsuckers get a big suprise.
I carry a purse-size pepper spray. Bought it at a local sporting goods store. I do wonder if there are small sized taser guns available to purchase? Are they legal to carry, and if so would it be safe to carry one in my purse? I don’t want to get zapped when rummaging through my purse for keys or whatever..
Thunder 50, never leave home without it LOL
http://www.gunsworld.net/usa/handgun/thunder50/thunder50.htm
that’s not me in the picture
okay I don’t carry anything ecept wallet, keys, phone and hand sanitizer LOL
Always good to see that story again.
So apropo!
Thanks for sharing.
Posting nonsense? Yeah, that’s the pot calling the kettle black.
And what are holly smokes? Is that what you’ve been smoking?
Pepper spray, knife
huh? February 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm
“why does ‘Barbara’ post this nonsense. Holly Smokes…”
Note to ‘huh?’ — “Holly Smokes” what? The same stuff as you?
You’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
My Intimidating Stare!
i keep a machete in the truck.
Always have an aluminum body roller ball pen and a tactical penlight on my person to write down license plates, protect myself, sign stuff, or just doodle a little bit. It is a Smith and Wesson. I don’t need anything else.
http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWPENMPBK-Military-Tactical/dp/B003D7K07K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329859552&sr=8-1
Pepper spray.
No, because I’m a young fit male, so I don’t worry about running up against other unarmed people, and if I did run up against someone who had a weapon, I’d simply comply with their demands rather than trying to pull my weapon and risk getting into a much worse situation. If I was a woman, I’d carry pepper spray, but I really don’t see the good in carrying a weapon otherwise. Not too many situations are made better because someone had a gun! In fact, I can think of a few situations where I’m certainly glad that I did not have access to a gun!
At home, I have a baseball bat.
In the car, a tire iron.
Walking, a flashlight and walking stick, and pepper spray.
and I can bring down a big, tough guy with a twist of a finger.
A Police Officer pulled over a little old lady from for a faulty taillight. When the officer approached the driver, she handed the officer her drivers license, insurance card and Concealed Carry Permit (CCP). The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said. “Mrs. Smith, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?”
The little old lady replied, “Yes sir, I have a .357 handgun on my hip. a .45 in the glove box and a .22 derringer in my boot.”
The officer asked if she was driving to or from a shooting range and the little old lady said she wasn’t, so the officer bent over and looked into the her face and said, “Mrs. Smith, you’re carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?”
The little old lady locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, “Not a damn thing.”
I own a lot of tools that serve different purposes that at one time or another have hurt me. I ride a bike and have had half a dozen accidents that have required visits to the ER. I consider myself somewhat handy and I’ve had to get stitches aft3er accidents with a bowsaw, a chisel and a box cutter. IN the kitchen I’ve had accidents with carving knives hot surfaces and an electric toaster that had toast jammed in it…no need to paint that picture.
IN my 45 years on this planet I’ve never had to defend myself from an attacker. I’ve been in threatening situations and walked away. I’ve recognized danger and taken evasive measures. I’ve used my brain to keep me safe.
The last think I want in my life is a tool that serves no purpose, that I don’t need, that should I have an accident with it will likely kill me or a member of my family.
So, no. I don’t carry a weapon because A. I’ve never needed one and B. I know that having a weapon around I’m much more likely to hurt myself than I am to use it to protect myself.
lmao like any of you guys need a gun in concord martinez pleasant hill walnut creek or clayton.
City police chiefs no longer issue CCWs; they were bullied by the previous Sheriff such that only the sheriff can issue them, “at his discretion”. That means “NO”.
If you were not nominated (and accepted) by his personal re-election committee/fan club as a member (for maximum annual donations to his re-election), if you were not an enthusiastic Democrat, if you were Hispanic, or Black; the Sheriff denied your application.
The current Sheriff has continued that practice, with a refinement: a few high profile people have been issued permits, so he can claim applications are not “always” denied.
The loophole in the sytem, where retired police officers “will” be issued permits, whether the Sheriff approves or not, has also been plugged: retired police officers (only) are required to undergo “qualification” shooting annually, in order to keep from having their permits revoked.
So much for 2nd Amendment rights in Co Co County, eh?
oops.
forgot to answer the question.
Unless you threaten me or my family or friends with a weapon, you aren’t entitled to an answer (that’s called the 5th Amendment).
Of course, if you *DO* threaten us, you *are* entitled to an answer … 10 times.
Of course I carry a gun. You don’t ? Of course I had to leave the state to do it legally. I don’t mind. I was born and raised in the Bay Area and am done.
@blabla neither do the gangstas … how’s that been workin out for ya? Feel confident that all those gangstas wouldn’t risk a felony parole violation by carrying, do you?
Glock 27
@Bob Loblaw so if you and your family are confronted in a public garage after a movie or pizza, and they decide to rape your wife and kidnap your child, your advice is for you to walk away, and dial 911 (if they didn’t take your cell phone as well as your family)?
@Steve ever tried to use pepper spray in an elevator, or when the assailants are upwind?
Q: Why did Tyson cry every time he had sex? A: Pepper Spray does that.
@blabla you obviously haven’t paid attention to the recent crimes. There are way too many violent crimes in Concord and Martinez to NOT have some sort of protection.
I always take my walking stick with me when I ped around town.
@ Stan # 23, I’m with you. I also believe that the 2nd amendment is my Americian right and permit to carry.
I always carry an 88 gigawatt flux capacitor.
Tomahawk, when the zombies come ill be ready and gun, loaded with zombie piercing bullets. Never leave home without either, u never know when the zombies will come.
As a law abiding citizen…do I carry a gun (or weapon)…No. As stated above…California’s capital hill has taken away our 2nd amendment right to carry protection…which should be unconstitutional and as stated ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.’
So, I am defenseless against the multitude of thugs and criminals. We don’t live in La-la or fantasy land and it’s becoming more and more apparent that the government needs to give us back our 2nd amendment rights…that should have never been taken away in the first place. The dangerous world we now live in is not going away…ever and will only get worse. Wake up everybody…you could be next…and we shouldn’t let that happen…ever.
In reality, we have our cell phone and that’s going to do you a whole lotta good as the thug is robbing you or cleaning out his magazine on you and or your family…and yes, the police will know about it…but that’s not going to help you or your family have a chance. It’s a sad place we live in.
Do you think I’m going overboard….I guess I’m just imagining all that’s going on…or, it will never happen to me…or you.
Better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.
Yes, always have pepper spray and have guns at home. If someone tries to break in, they will be shot, no questions asked.
Couldn’t say it any better.
@Bob Loblaw, It’s just a matter of time and the chances of you not seeing it coming are out there. I can say the same thing and I use my head and keep sharp on my surroundings, but that only can take you so far. Thugs don’t hold signs saying ‘I’m hear to rob you or kill or rape your family’…they spring up on you and there you are…right in the middle of a whole lot of hurt.
Good luck with the way you see things. If there is a percentage number that I could face criminal danger…I want a percentage chance that I will prevail…and that’s better than none at all.
Yes my rpg
@Diablo
Wow…that’s what I should have said. Nice.
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Have one can in each vehicle and one by the TV arm-chair.
I have pepper spray, have not put it in the car yet. Can’t carry it because I am worried I will accidently forget I have it on me and you can not take it to sooooooo many places….ie city council mtgs, schools, library…public bldgs. so just not worth it…it is against the law.
Steve #43
There are 4,109 defensive uses of firearms per day based on a Department of Justice study. So, frankly, the statistics disagree with your comment regarding “it doesn’t make it any better to have one.”
And those are just the defensive uses that are reported.
As for me, when and if I carry – it is done within the restrictions placed on us by a “tyrannical California Government.” Which puts me at a huge disadvantage – but like another poster said, better to have one and not need it than need one and not have it.
Wild wild west I thought we evolved
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t769353/
No!!!!!!!! just pointy toed shoes!
Glock 22 or Glock 27 depending concealment needs. Dennis, I agree and would also like to see some more responsible citizens issued CCW’s, but your info on retired officers is not entirely correct. Maybe some local departments make their officers go through the sheriff’s office or qual with them every year, but definitely not all. I would also agree with your comments to Bob Loblaw. Apparently, he has not had any actual exposure to the hardcore criminal element and neither has blabla if that was even two different posters.
@Anonk,
You know…I don’t think I would ever want to get hit with that spray….that’s some nasty stuff.
When I carry, I carry per CA law.
You will only know when that is, if and when it becomes necessary.
Yes, the last few years with the Open Carry movement has been very necessary.
i got somthing but nobody knows it im still waiting till that time i got to use it
No, I don’t carry a weapon. I would never have a gun in the house. I’ve never been in a situation where I would have used a gun. But I have had my car broken into and my house robbed. If I’d owned a gun, chances are it would have been stolen and now be in the hands of a criminal.
I’ve thought about carrying pepper spray because I do walk my dog at night. I pass lots of dodgy looking people, but no one has ever done anything to me. If I ever did come upon a situation where I could use it, I’d probably hesitate too long and it would be taken away and used against me. Or else I’d panic and spray some guy who just wanted directions. Eh, I guess I’ll take my chances without a weapon.
Yes @ 3
Same here. Only had to use it once. Worked like a charm.
Guns? People carry guns? That hardly seems safe. Me, I’m working on my “Cloak of Invisibility”. That and fifty trained attack hummingbirds. Oh…. I know ! Hummingbirds infected with the Marburg virus! One of you mugs just try somethin’!
Bills yeap thats all you get because I dont have anything else so feel free to take a few and remember the penalty if not paid on time haha just kidding no I dont carry because of the places I go but I must say at times I do not feel safe.
no- we live in a nice area of a (mostly) civil society, quit playing out wild west fantasies
even if you are mugged it is stupid to escalate it to deadly force
@Happy One…
If you are a responsible gun owner, you will have in your house a very good safe that’s bolted to the floor and wall. Do not get a cheap gun safe…they are not really that expensive and worth it. Lucky for you that the crimes against your weren’t worse….just imagine walking into your home and they are still in your house…it would be nice to have the gun on you. But here in California, it’s against the law to protect yourself.
#80 anon
Define “nice area” – because guess what – that’s where criminals TARGET.
Several shootings in the last few weeks around the area. I wouldn’t consider it entirely safe.
Would you agree that it wouldn’t be stupid if it saved your life? Because my firearm has.
Defend yourself and go to jail. Be prepared to spend many thousands on your defense.
New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar.
A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor’s window is now facing a felony charge — and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.
California is even worse.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/21/new-hampshire-man-faces-felony-charge-after-firing-gun-into-ground-near-burglar/
Anon, I don’t think you have to take it on to escalate it to deadly force… If you walk in on a couple of armed thugs robbing your home I think by walking in the home you’ve escalated their actions. I assure you, they will not be saying things like ‘Let’s do lunch’…
Nope, but Figo and I have an ESP thing going. Gonna be alllllllllll right…… good DOG!
I shoot them for fun, I carry them for protection. Like always stated, it is better to have one and never need it than be in a life threatening situation defenseless (and dead).
When the Strandwood shooting happened, we brought everyone inside, and let me just say we were not worried for one second if the shooter tried to gain access into our home. Those are warm and fuzzy feelings only protection can give. Wasp spray? Pepper spray? Rrrrrrright.
Of course, dont you?
Inside the house a snub nose .38 model 10.
Outside the house I am physically a weapon. I have boxed, wrestled and submission grappled for 18 years. And before some ones jumps on my comment, I know there is always someone tougher. I am reminded everytime I train.
I would carry if it was legal.
this sounds like a loaded question to me! what is the mayor guy gunna post tomorrow! “Concord bans guns in city limit!”
@Jeff, I have lived in actual bad neighborhoods like the Tenderloin in SF. The things that go on here are so mild by comparison. I really think so much of it is just people being scared of folks with darker skin than them or who seem strange to them.
I feel very bad for the few murder victims here but it is almost always someone they know (spouse, family member) or them getting involved in the wrong crowd.
Nonetheless, I feel very safe walking around Pleasant Hill/Concord area at night. There are some areas worth being more vigilant but I’ve never felt compelled to carry a deadly weapon.
Ball peen hammers are not considered weapons but they can be implemented with authority. Ever notice outlaw bikers have ‘em on their rides?
Man in the middle, sorry bro this is California not New Hampshire, and just watch the news, the bay area alone in the last few weeks has how how many stories about people killing intruders? More then 1 buddy. The district attorney will have a hard time prosecuting people protecting themselves.
Always have a burner. “G” 20 – 10mm.
@ REPEL #30: YES. IT IS LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA TO CARRY A TASER FOR SELF-DEFENSE. THERE IS A CIVILIAN MODEL CALLED ‘TASER C2′. IT IS SAFE TO CARRY IN YOUR PURSE. IT ALSO COMES WITH A CARRY CASE.
Yes, a large pepper spray in my purse always. Soon to get a taser for my purse. Hornet spray by each door at home also by our bed, along with a 38.
@funny man #89
The city of San Francisco tried to ban guns a few years ago.
They didn’t want anyone to own a gun in the city.
It was brought to the Supreme Court, and it was shot down (pun intended).
http://www.stopsanfranban.com/
@ NO BS….kudos!
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=538753
It is our responsibility as US citizens, enjoying the freedom that was paid for with the blood of our fathers and grandfathers, to ACTIVELY preserve our freedom. Freedom is not free and we owe it to them to keep our liberty. If every law abiding citizen in our city carried, I guarantee the scum would be gone. There are two cowards here. The criminal AND the passive who think it’s ok to get mugged as long as they can walk away without “escalating” the situation. Pathetic.
Respectfully, I’ll carry thank you.
Anon, whatever works for you – I’m not going to belittle your choice.
However, for me – having been in a situation where a firearm possibly saved my life, and certainly saved me from serious bodily injury – I take no chances.
I’ve lived in South Phoenix, Oakland, and a few other spots that would make most others cringe – and yes, I’m a white guy who has lived in the ghetto, as well as the burbs. I’m wary of everyone, not just people of different races. Violent crime is not limited to the ghetto nor any specific race.
Bottom line for me – I’d carry my firearm everywhere I went if it were legal. I’ve seen too much to become a victim. But since California has it’s head up it’s ass, I can’t – because I abide by CA law – and it pisses me off.
If I am ever a victim of violent crime because my rights have been restricted – you can damn sure bet the state of California, Jerry Brown, and any non-2nd amendment voting politician or sheriff’s office will be involved in my civil suit (assuming I’m alive).
#97 – you are officially my hero for what you posted. Well stated.
By the way, anon – it’s only deadly if confronted with deadly force or the threat of serious injury.
Although I guess you could say I’m “deadly” accurate with it.
this guy #92,
You may have read reports of what you think are “legal” shootings but those news articles don’t report the rest of the stories. You could lose everything.
I’d shoot too if I had to but you place yourself at very high risk. You can thank the sleazy lawyers and the ultra liberal politicians and courts for robbing you of your rights and privileges.
Think again sir.
At one point in my life I had a 9mm, 38, 357, 10 gauge over/under and a great deer rifle. Even tho I only used the handguns for target shooting I got rid of all of them when I quit hunting. Now I wish I had the handguns back
Hey Benjamin, Hands registered, really? That’s a really old B.S. line.
If you’re carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, you’re not a law-abiding citizen. You’re thugs. No better than any other criminal element. The best part is when your weapon discharges and harms someone. We get to watch you go to jail AND lose everything you’ve got. Your kids won’t even have a home left. Glee doesn’t even come close to describing what I will be feeling when you go DOWN!
Heh, heh, heh… I never said where.
Mountaineer, can’t u lose everything if ur at fault for a car accident where someone is seriously injured, penal code 197 or 198.5 will cover a person in their home unless I am reading it wrong. Like ithe said earlier civil suits can araise from looking at someone wrong, so good luck proving the guy u shot was in ur house to help you. Unless u have some recent case law you can educate me better. Im always up for learning. Someone with law enforcement or law expeience help educate me.
Sig Sauer 226 Elite. 10rds of Glaser Safety Slugs.. (When stuff goes wrong, I plan to be the only witness able to give a story)
Actually, CoCo County is one of only three counties in California that do not permit CCPs. So I guess it’s time to establish residency in a neighboring county and get my CCP… Or, I could just move out of this state and get my CCP even easier.
SixStringer #60
Why didn’t you quote the entire 2nd Amendment?
Always keep my shank close to me.. U just neva know!
You know…with all this great conversation you need to know that if you use your gun on a Thug who is going to take your life, you better have a good lawyer to get yourself off and then get ready for the civil action against you after that. That being said, it’s still better than being dead. You know…the Thug has more rights that you if he is in your home and is set on doing you harm. Is this backward or what. It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. So many laws are against protecting yourself…its as if they want you to be defenseless. Maybe the Thugs have it all figured out….they have unregistered guns and the chance of them getting away is very high. WE obey the law and get our you know whats cut off. Sad.
I have a taser, a mini bat and a ruger 9mm in my car…. come at me bro
@Chuckies Wife CoCo County does not recognise CCWs from any other county as valid.
it’s funny how everyone replied to my original comment: “lmao like any of you guys need a gun in concord martinez pleasant hill walnut creek or clayton.” whole bunch of people replied sayin ooohhh neither do the gangsters…lmfao go walk down ONE ….just ONE street in oakland or richmond and u won’t make it out without being stabbed shot or robbed. give me a break there aint no gangstas around your guys part o town
The seminal case establishing the general rule that police have no
duty under federal law to protect citizens is DeShaney v. Winnebago
County Department of Social Services
(109 S.Ct. 998, 1989; 489 U.S. 189
(1989))
The court in DeShaney held that …
Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist
as to certain individuals, such as
incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and
others restrained against their will and therefore
unable to protect themselves.
“The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State’s knowledge of the individual’s predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf”
California’s Government Code, Sections 821,
845, and 846 state, in part:
“Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for
failure to provide adequate police protection or service,
failure to prevent the commission of crimes and
failure to apprehend criminals.”
So much for dialing 911.
@ SixStringer #111
Well I’m sure you heard about the homeowner in Antioch recently who had his door kicked in by some idiot from Richmond. The homeowner ended up taking the gun away from him and killing the guy with his own gun. How cool is that!
So we’ll just have to wait and see what happens with this homeowner. I bet no charges will be filed against him. He was protecting himself along with his son and property!
How well does SF do at catching and convicting murderers?
“San Francisco heading for highest homicide tally since 1993
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 5, 2007
The city’s total for the year is 79, a pace that has San Francisco on track
to end 2007 with its highest homicide count in more than a decade.
The death toll through Tuesday was just six homicides shy of the 85 recorded last year in San Francisco. At this rate, the total for 2007 would approach 120 killings, which would be the most since 133 people
were slain in 1993.
(So far this year there have been 92 homicides in Oakland. Last year at this time there were 98 homicides.)
______
SF managed only manages to indict about 8% of their murder suspects, and convict about 1%. Feel safer now?
@anon #90
“I feel very bad for the few murder victims here but it is almost always someone they know (spouse, family member) or them getting involved in the wrong crowd.”
In the annual SF summary of violent crimes/homicides, the stats show that over 2/3 of the homicides involve ex-felons, gangs, and drugs. Nationally, 95% of black males killed are murdered by blacks.
So knowing the killers are in a group of less than 5% of the SF population, why does SF try to criminalize little white-haired old ladies living in Penthouse Apartments, for having a gun in their nightstands?
It must be the nightly occurrance of drive-by shootings by little old white haired ladies controlling their turf(s), eh?
Or maybe it is because SF is an abject failure at arresting violent well-armed ex-felons, involved in gangs and drugs, and figure they’ll do better by sending SWAT teams after little old white-haired ladies with “VICTIM” tattooed on their foreheads?
BTW, it is the Republican US Supreme Court that has permitted state and local jurisdictions to regulate firearms outside the home. Under Heller, people may keep firearms in their homes for protection. The SCOTUS continues to decline other cases. Heller only governs firearms inside the home, and the SCOTUS has left the regulation of firearms outside of the home up to state and local jurisdictions. The SCOTUS hasn’t found any merit to the second-amendment argument — except for the narrow ruling about firearms in the home. You’re on the losing end of this one.
I believe every anti-gun person should have the integrity to announce to the public their disarmed status in both their homes and businesses with an appropriate sign:
No Weapons Allowed
Attention Criminals
This is a Defense Free Crime Zone
All Law Abiding Patrons Of This Establishment Have Been Disarmed For Your Convenience.
Quit relying on the “illusion” that your business and home may be armed as a detriment to crime.
An Oklahoma pharmacist, James Ersland, was convicted and given a life sentence for killing a robber during an armed robbery in his pharmacy. We can probably all agree that Oklahoma is a bigger supporter of gun rights than California. It appears that lawlessness won’t be tolerated anywhere in the Union. But, you can always move to Somalia. Just don’t let the door hit your on the way out.
@blabla I used to live in Richmond/San Pablo. I’ve walked down quite a few of those streets, I was a victim of an attempted mugging, because there were one of him and three of us, it ended without any of my friends getting hurt. This stuff does happen, hate to let you know, but you don’t live in utopia you think you do. Check out http://www.crimereport.com for a more granular information. There is a lot more crime out there than you might think. If you choose to be a victim that is fine with me, but don’t try to take the right of self protection from myself or my family.
#120, you made an excellent point. There are plenty of people who love to preach about guns being evil, but are more than happy to take advantage of the crime deterrent effect an armed household creates. I think anyone who tells others that they should not own guns, or that gun ownership has no use or deterrent effect on crime, should at least have the integrity to place some signage up indicating that they do not believe in owning weapons or possess any weapons- so they do not steal any benefit from the gun-owners they proclaim to despise.
If you don’t think the possibility of an armed resident has any effect on how bold a criminal will act, then you shouldn’t have any reservations about a potential criminal knowing you are unarmed. Nothing overt, or too tacky- just a small sign indicating that you do not believe firearms should be owned for self-defense. You can put it in the corner of a window or near the doorbell so all the scummy solicitors can see it. If it ever caught on (but we all know it won’t) it wouldn’t take long at all before the criminals knew exactly what it meant and what to look for.
I carry a concealed Colt 1911 1A in the primary car; a 4″ Model 19-3 Smith concealed on my V-Twin; a Remington 870 with 00 at the front door; a Ruger 38 LCR when out and about; a Ruger Mini-14 in my office; a Stoeger 12 gauge Coach gun; a 4″ Model 29 in a concealed position in bed; and a 4″ Model 29 in the garage in a concealed position.
There are backups as well in my gun cases, but they are not loaded though there is enough ammunition to support all.
All are loaded and never brandished. I carried the 1911 in Vietnam for two years. I really do not care what the concealed laws are. I am prepared.
Thanks for asking.
Attention all scum bags…
Please oh please, try something with Bobby Sands.
Nice collection by the way.
not yet…in process of getting a conceal carry permit which only costs $30 to apply…once approved, the fees are $360 which includes gun safety test and range qualification…about a 4 hr process….we have .380 and .40 cal pistols
@guntoter, good luck with that, bud. The application process is a joke. It’s only in place so that they can claim to be offering the permits.
yes my mind…..lol really tho …but also a good 6 in solid blade got a compass stitching kit and water proof matches….In todays world it would stupid not too….
A sap in my car along with a piece of pipe. Gun at home, but locked up so not likely to do me much good. Would get a ccp if possible.
I have had to change my address to Sacto county for 6 months to take advantage of the CCW which is offered to Sacto county residents and it IS valid statewide.. Still in the early stages though
Mr. Mayor.. Can you do a story on the local counties that will issue CCW. I think we can all agree that people who love their country, constitution, family, friends, and value the safety and security of all those items mentioned are decent people. Could you do a story on the steps needed for local folks here to be the type of citizens we all want in our little world.?
Personal safety as it regards to your home, family, and extended loved ones is the responsibility the person willing to stand up for others…
@nick…already approved “bud” …just in the weapons qualification process
You are an ignorant man with problems with authority…wise up
Guntoter, I wasn’t knocking you for trying, I was knocking the system. Are you getting your permit in contra costa? I would love to hear how it went for you and how the process went. I haven’t tried myself because of the results that close friends have gotten. (all of whom were ex-military, special forces included)
Of course all of this is said assuming that the change in handle was a typo, not a troll using a similar name trying to stir up crap.
Tazer C2 and pepper spray
PEPPER SPRAY AND A KNIFE ALL WAYS WITH ME. hAVE GUN AT HOME.
I have a husband with enough gas to blow all of you to hell.
“@Chuckies WifeCoCo County does not recognise CCWs from any other county as valid.”
Any CCW that is issued is good statewide
@#130-
I have no personal knowledge, but I would suggest you get it in writing from the sheriff’s office in Contra Costa County that your Sacto permit is valid statewide. My understanding is that the authority to issue CCW permits rests in the hands of each county sheriff, and some cities also have the authority. That allows each county to have ordinances that CCW permits issued in other counties are not valid. Unfortunately, Sacramento County doesn’t have any more “juice” than any other.
I always carry in my home state, and when I travel the South. Usually a Smith and Wesson J frame. I traveled to Los Angeles for the first time a few weeks ago, and do not carry here. There probably isn’t any crime here, because there are so many restrictions on firearms. And we all know gun control works, so there obviously isn’t any crime here.
Sigh. Seriously though, I really can’t wait to get out of here.
“All are loaded and never brandished. I carried the 1911 in Vietnam for two years. I really do not care what the concealed laws are. I am prepared.”
I wish more California voters were like you, Bobby Sands. I met few of you guys in Maryland at Maryland Shall Issue meeting. A Vietnam veteran who had been face down on the floor in a bank robbery in Baltimore got up and spoke said it’s never going to happen to him again.
And by the way, thank you for your service.
do you have a holster? Stick it in a jacket pocket? Ankle holster? What?
@Dennis you’re deliberately misinterpreting what I said and using it as a tangent for your poorly constructed rant- I was talking about murders here in the Claycord area (which DO fall under my reasoning for this area being generally very safe).
Upon further review, I am unable to find anything that would lead me to believe that a CCW issued in any California county would be invalid in another. Now if I could just get my wife to let me move her and the boys out to the sticks!
@CJ, I hear Covelo is lovely this time of year.
I carry in an inside-the-waistband holster. NEVER carry a gun by just shoving it down your pants or in a pocket with no holster. That’s how people shoot their dangly bits off.
@ #144-
I agree. That’s how my uncle became my aunt.
Wow. I can’t believe it. Someone actually knows about Covelo?
A decent article on big scary guns… if youre and anti-gun person read this.
As much as gun control advocates might wish otherwise, their attacks are running out of ammo. With private firearm ownership at an all-time high and violent crime rates plunging, none of the scary scenarios they advanced have materialized. Abuse of responsibility by armed citizens is rare, while successful defensive interventions against assaults on their lives and property are relatively commonplace.
National violent crime rates that soared for 30 years from the early 1960s began to decrease markedly since 1993. Last December the FBI reported that murder and other violent crime rates fell again by 6.4% during the first half of 2011 compared with the same period in 2010. A Gallup poll indicates that “Americans’ preference regarding gun laws is generally that the government enforce existing laws more strictly and not pass new laws.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02/21/disarming-the-myths-promoted-by-the-gun-control-lobby/
Haha, yeah, one of the spots where I used to hunt is up there.
Too funny… 99% of folks I mention it to, have never heard of it, or even Willits, for that matter. Step-FIL’s father bought land up there, east of Round Valley, back in the ’40′s, or so (I think). It’s still in the family and is the “getaway” for the Step-FIL. For this thread… Yeah, we carry guns up there. Big ones. Cuz we don’t want to become bear-food!
I usually get blank stares when I talk about that area too. In reality, I don’t guess I would know about those places either if I hadn’t grown up hunting. The two main ranches we went to were in Covelo and Healdsburg. The funny thing is, I played football in high school at Berean Christian in WC. We actually played Round Valley High School my freshman year. I was the only one on the team that had the slightest clue where we were.
Oh and yes, I always pack heat when I’m in the woods. (didn’t want to turn this into my own personal “talk about whatever”)
Note to self stop by thrift store and pick up ball and glove for baseball bat in car.
And to those gun control folks out there, private sales and gun shows are not the biggest problem. It’s individual gun owners that do not lock their guns in a gun safe. If I were to break into 10 houses on my street I could get one or more guns from half of them because they’re not locked in a safe when owners are not home. If you don’t have and use a gun safe you should not have a gun.
Nick, I checked it out on satellite photos. The closest I’ve been is Hopland for a barefoot tournament. Covelo looks nice, but I need a place in closer proximity to a decent golf course!
C at #151 ~ ~ ~ Agree with you about gun safes. And also gun owners should keep the location of the safe’s lock combo or key a secret from minors.
Nick, when my family members are up walking “our” mountain (not really ours….just the one we prowl) up in Siskiyou County, firearms are referred to (tongue in cheek) as snake guns or bear guns. We have come across illegal plants near stream banks or abandoned gold mine caves; locals use gas-powered submersible pumps and run standard irrigation tubing out of the water standing in the old mines. Fortunately, we never have happened across a local’s “farm” which was actually being guarded by humans, but we were ready in case they weren’t willing to let us walk on. General philosophy up there re coyotes and cougars is “Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.”….. tough bunch of ranchers, miners, loggers, and fish hatchery people predominate.
I like to maintain separation of golf and guns. I’m sure that anyone who golf’s can understand my reasoning.
(I don’t understand why Autocorrect decided to make “golfs” possesive)
Nick, that’s a good policy. It reminds me of what may possibly be an urban legend among local golfers. It seems that the locals at Van Buskirk (I think) out in Stockton kept handguns in their golf bags due to “interlopers” from the surrounding neighborhood assuming golfers would be easy targets. Not so much.
@nick…haven’t looked at claycord in a couple of days…as for the system, the application while bulky is simple yes/no and an essay about why you want one…then an interview with an offficer who does the job full time (professional standards)…he then recommends up or down to sheriff who makes the final decision….every one i see at the range asks “who do you know?”…like sargeant schultz, “i know nothing”…costs $30 to apply…if you pass the paper stage, it’s another $360 for range safety and qualifying…yes it’s contra costa county
@guntoter, well hell, at least SOMEBODY is getting one. Nice.
@CJ, the other issue is that I drink when I golf. The combination of alcohol, my high level of anger with my golf game, and firearms… Well, need I say more?
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