As we first reported, the Pleasant Hill Police are investigating a shooting at Strandwood Elementary School.
The following update is from the Pleasant Hill Police Department:
On February 18, 2012 at approximately 1921 hrs. the Pleasant Hill Police Department received a call of a shooting that had just occurred in the open field area to the rear of Strandwood Elementary School, 416 Gladys Dr. Officers arrived and determined the victim had been shot during a robbery.
The victim (who’s 20-years-old) and three male juveniles were robbed at gunpoint by the suspects. The victims reported that two of the three suspects were armed with handguns during the robbery. During the robbery the adult victim attempted to resist the suspects and was shot once in the upper torso. The three juvenile victims were not hurt.
The suspects fled back toward the school on foot. An extensive area check and yard to yard searches in the area were performed by the Pleasant Hill Police Department, with the assistance of the Martinez Police Department and the Contra Costa County air unit. The suspects were not located.
The victim was transported to John Muir Hospital in critical condition.
SUSPECT(S): Unknown; described as two Black Male Adults and one Hispanic Male Adult, approx. 20-25 years old.
This case is currently under investigation by the Pleasant Hill Police Department Investigations Division.
Anyone who has any information regarding this case is asked to call the Pleasant Hill Police Department Investigations Division at 925-288-4630.
Too bad the police sub-station in Dianda Shopping Center is...
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I am so d@mn tired of black and hispanic males robbing people out here!!! It’s time to arm ourselves regardless of what the laws out here say.
I predict the suspects are NOT P.Hill residents. I BET they are scumbag ghetto Antioch/Concord/Richmond who blew through our fair city.
It’s MOSTLY outside low life scumbag ghetto causing the problems, like the bar scene in Walnut Creek, the murder in P. Hill last week….
I’m proud to be NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT and calling a S**** a S****!
No Apology here. When, oh WHEN are good people going to say “ENOUGH”?
one comes to wonder if it has to do with BH again.
This is so terrible. What is going on?? Pleasant Hill is a wonderful community and we need to keep it that way. Keep these p.o.s. Wannabe gangbangers out of our town!!
Wow… Apparently PH has become just as bad as Concord and Martinez! It’s a shame we can’t do a better job of keeping the rif raf the heck out of our town! So sad what this world is coming to these days!!!
I am sick and tired of these low-lifes invading my city. I hope they get caught, but the probability is next to zero. Nobody wants to get involved. Having morals and a conscience is a thing of the past.
Suspects better hope the victim survives….. otherwise they’re looking at the Death Penalty.
If the victim dies, it will be “Murder During the Commission of a Robbery.”
All three (3) suspects will be facing it…… not just the shooter.
People without a gun in a gunfight become the victim. Arm yourselves per our constitutional rights.
We can thank BART for bringing these “out-of-town” low-life’s into our town.
— They hop onto BART
– Get off in the nicer cities to commit their robberies, thefts & other crimes
– Run back to BART
– Whisked out of sight quickly
– Return back to their ghetto-land
Pleasant Hill is the new Concord. It’s been this way for quite some time. People that feel differently are the ones who bought homes in PH (and are now underwater by a few $100k).
PH is just ghetto. That is a fact. Obviously not as sh*tty as Concord or Martinez YET, but it’s getting there at a steady pace.
“During the robbery the adult victim attempted to resist the suspects and was shot once in the upper torso.” Of course this never would have happened to an Open Carrier. Oh wait, the adult victim attempted to resist. Maybe drawing a weapon to resist?
I’m just tired of all the crime and violence, period. Don’t give a sh!t what race you are…
just some p-hill hoodlums selling pot to out of towners
Until it is confirmed the suspects are actually as stated I would hold judgement. If it is as stated this is really weird as the school is not on a main road. I find it really strange any out of the area criminal would pick this area to commit his crime. At 9 at night one could be out on that field area for hours and maybe see 1 person walking a dog carrying nothing more then the dog’s poop…I am sure there is more to this story.
@US_DOJ_Gov Stranwood Elementary is not hardly a hop, skip and a jump from BART. I don’t think you can lay the blame there, or you would see a much higher increase in crimes/robberies/shootings closer to the BART stations than in the out lying areas
The suspects got away? Come on,its not everyday you have a black or hispanic male in your Pleasant Hill backyard!
Pleasant Hill is not ghetto. You are retarded.
sad thing is the shooter will read this tmo and laugh
Too many issues to address but I will point out two things… What were these victims doing on school property on a sat? I suspect up to no good in the first place.
Secondly, open carry is a joke and here is why – you are going to advertise an UNLOADED weapon??? That is just dumb. Your telling me if you are approached at gun point you will be able to draw, load, cock, and aim/fire before the scumbag shoots you or tells you to throw your UNLOADED WEAPON on the ground?… That is a big negative ghost rider so don’t use this thread as an opportunity to promote open carry… Plus, out of the victims there was only one old enough to legally possess a gun in public anyway
no longer a ca resident @19
Apparently you don’t read well; the post wasn’t in favor of OC, but even if it had been, don’t the OC guys claim they can draw and load in 2 seconds? Plenty of time to defend oneself. Sure. You betcha.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the man shot last week was a PH student for years. He was kind, loving and someone I am proud to say my kids hung around! He had a job and was not asking for trouble from the white person who shot and killed him. It is NOT about the race or ethnic background a person has, it is about their morals and standards. And NO PH is not Ghetto, neither is Mrtz or Concord. Ghetto comes from people who have NOTHING and are dying to keep the clothes on their backs, they fight for life and space to live. From here it looks like you have a home, a computer and probably even a pair of UGGS to brag about. So SHUT UP and ask what you can do to help. If not stop complaining and be grateful!!!!!!!
First of all, I am fully in agreement with some posters regarding carrying whether it’s against the law or not at this point. Screw California. Better to be judged by twelve in a self defense situation than sitting in critical condition in the hospital.
If I was the victim (let’s hope he survives) – I’d sue the SH*T out of California and Geriatric Brown for not allowing my right to bear arms, which could have been a mitigating factor in this incident.
To those who are saying open carry is a joke – look around you. More and more criminals are carrying, and USING weapons – why? Because law abiding citizens no longer have their right to bear arms for self defense. There now is no “equal deterrent” for them. You say it’s our fault – NO. We pointed out that the state was denying us our rights, and THE PEOPLE YOU ELECTED have decided to make it worse. Next election maybe you’ll think twice, because neither the police nor the Brady Camp can protect you.
Which is scarier, an open carrier or three guys robbing you at gunpoint? Wake the f … up people.
I hope one of these punks tries to rob me at gunpoint. I’ll even be happy to provide them with a general area that they can find me in.
I’ll fill anyone who uses a weapon to threaten my life full of lead – and I won’t even charge the city for the ammunition spent.
sounds like it was a set up robbery to me not like the 20 year old was just walking his dog i do wish him well and that he makes a full strong recovery but come on now no maany 20 year olds just take there dogs out for a walk at that time of night but if he really was i will apologize ahead of time but i am entitled to my opinion.
Nothing that happened last week was done by an out of towner.
Please take a minute to stop thinking about yourselves and think of these boys. As someone who grew up with Mike Jones, who was shot and killed last weekend, there is a much bigger picture here. Instead of arming yourselves so you can shot someone, lets get more police officers, petition for metal detectors at bart stations, regulate our public areas with more security, and get these stories on the news so we can catch these bastards! Most importantly, talk to your kids, younger siblings, and friends so that you loved one isn’t next. Lord knows none of these people were supposed to have their lives cut short,so don’t think you’re little angel is any exception.
(#21) @LovePh….. 12:19AM
WELL SAID !!
we need batman
jeff your an idiot. if the victim had a gun, then that could have possibly been stolen too. another gun on the street rises the risk of murder. beef up the gunshot triangulating equipment, and legalize pot so nor-cal youth can stop dieing over it.
Look at the actual problem, @25
You must be kidding; metal detectors at BART? Standing in line, emptying your pockets of keys, money clip, pen knife, etc, just like at an airport. And don’t forget to remove your shoes and belt. And put your computer in a separate container. Great way to clog up the system, and make sure no one catches a train if they’re in a hurry. But it would create jobs for more rent-a-cops.
Concord, Pleasant Hill, Martinez…you all are acting like the cities are miles apart. Don’t act like your city (PH) is free of the criminal element….you are blind if you do. I do believe that California needs to loosen up on gun laws as the law abiding citizens are sitting ducks and the ‘Gun Safe Zones’ should be renamed ‘Killing Zones’. I am a law abiding citizen and I really don’t like being a sitting duck to the law breaking criminals because of the laws in place regarding concealed carry. How many of us need to die before it is realized.
@#21 and #25 I agree… you guys get it!
Look at the actual problem: You are wiser than many others who commented. Educate yourselves people and stand up for what you believe in. Do not be afraid to come forward and tell the police what you know. We need to stop the violance and the people who are changing our cities. We need to protect our communities and that includes our children at any age.
Something else regarding the right to carry a firearm….it’s not us that you need to ever worry about and we will not increase the crime rate….but it will give the criminal element something to think about and give us the ability to protect ourselves and pulling the trigger is always the last resort to keep us and our families safe. It’s not going to get better out there…only worse and we are just defenseless targets.
Why was the police search called off if they hadn’t been captured? Newsflash: Blacks and Latinos are not the only people committing crimes in Pleasant Hill so place blame on the individuals and not an entire race.
I dont believe Pleasant Hill is ghetto; however, it does seem as though there has been an increase in shootings and robberies in Pleasant Hill lately. The sad reality of our society in general is that there are bad people everywhere that do bad things. Poor people will go to areas that have more income looking for an oppertunity to get money, Pleasant Hill is encompassed by numerous lower income cities, and there is a city college and mall bringing a lot of youth to the area meaning an increase in potential drugs and wanna be gang affiliates… I do not know enough of the details in either shooting to provide my opinion on whether I feel they were random acts of violence or associated with other deeper causes such as gangs, drugs, etc; however, knowing that there are these people out there all I can say being someone who doesn’t see myself carrying a gun is that I am super aware of my surroundings. I do take my dogs on a walk after work and go to gas stations day and night and have learned its better to be safe then sorry. I always survey the situation and people and, sadly, will not continue on my walk or in to a store if I see a shady character or get a bad vibe. Its all you can do to attempt to avoid an unnecessary situation. There are those unpredictable cases of wrong place wrong time that are horrible but at least statistically by avoiding unnecessary situations I believe I am for the most part safe in Pleasant Hill.
I am not justifying the shootings by saying that there may be potential underlying causes for the attacks because it is never okay to take somebody’s life unless in self defense… I do have family that knew Mike and was greatly saddened by the loss so my heart goes out to anyone affected by violence.
There won’t stop being bad or desperate people out there but hopefully Pleasant Hill law enforcement beefs up the force and starts cracking down, checking out people walking down the street late night, patrolling more near Bart, safeways, and gas stations, as well as local schools. I know if I was walking down the street and an officer stopped to check where I was heading I would take it as step in the right direction, not as offensive.
I don’t have a solution but to all those fellow Pleasant Hill residents I wish for safety for you and your families and remind you to take an extra second to check your surroundings and observe those around you since we live in an imperfect world.
was i right or was i right facebook with teens is but one tool coupled with an expansive network of x LEOS to understand and otherwise determine truth from baloney parents who sit back and guess what took place and cause more harm then good,, be one step!!! step up don’t let the kids take walk not knowing what they are doing as parents ,, these kids they are yours like it or not until they are eighteen any loser low life will find a way to steal or worse put your son daughter husband or wife in a body bag THEY DON;T CARE you unless you have a license to carrier and protect yourself invest in protection
Prob jacked for weed, drug deal gone bad
U don’t just come across three guys in an open field at a school with guns
Maybe if you didn’t parade around public places with your toys and short comings, you would still have the right. You brought the law upon yourself, legal gun owners like myself do not need to show off with our dicks by our waist. You ruined it for everyone. Tool.
So two adult males showed up at an elementary school playing field late Saturday night looking for people to rob. Hmm, something sounds a bit amiss with this story. What were any of them doing there at that time and what does a teenager have for someone to steal? No one has the facts yet in this case but I would expect a scenario like this to involve drug sales.
And to those who advocate open carry teenagers are not allowed to carry guns.
Actually, the gun statistics are much higher per capita in states with concealed weapons permits, such as Louisiana, Alaska, Wyoming, and AZ…Numbers don’t lie. CA ranks 30th in firearm death rates….
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
The argument is always “if you take the guns away only criminals have guns.” No…if you drive down the demand for guns they quit manufacturing so many. Guns are a stupid part of our society that makes the stupid feel safer, and gives the evildoers access to firepower more easily. How often do we here of a person saved because they had their gun? Rarely. How often are stolen, redistributed, and used in other crimes? Daily.
These wannabe heroes wouldn’t have the juice or the ability to lock, load and actually fire a decent shot if the heat really was happening in their house. They would likely get shot before they had a chance to do anything, Bunch of blowhard egoheads are the only people who think guns are a good idea. Get real, losers.
And as for all of the racist vitriol on this thread and the other one about this incident, I cannot believe I live in the same town as some of you creepy bigots. Yuck. You should clean that up, Mayor. I used to read your site daily, but it seems you have a lot of racist and paramilitary soldier of fortune types who make up most of your readership these days. I guess when you write a blog mostly focused on crime that panders to the cops all the time, you get what you pay for.
But it is a great site to look on if someone gets shot in your neighborhood, which is nice, so thanks for that.
I appreciate all those who took the time to voice their concerns and suspicions about these terrible crimes. I’ve lost several students and one of my great Boy scouts to this type of violence, it will only stop when we all get involved. People want to help stop these crimes so why don’t the police call out on a loud speaker to enlist neighborhoods that a crime has been committed nearby to let us know to be on the lookout for a suspect(s) in that area. Why do we keep something so dangerous a secret. We have to go on the internet or wait for KCBS to hear about important news HOURS after it happened!
As far as racial comments about any suspects, there are criminals of every race, some rob you at gunpoint, some steal your money legally by bribing politicians, taxing regular folks while avoiding paying their fair share. Bailouts are for billionaires!
As far as more body scanners, metal detectors and pat-downs are You kidding? I’m not taking off my damn shoes!
We already live in a police state! you rights and freedoms that my family has bled for have been legislated away with NDAA and the so called “Patriot Act”. We aren’t any safer, they just want us so scared we won’t object so the can take away more of our rights and freedoms. Wake Up.
As for BART whisking hoodlums here and there…Really?
People have cars.
I agree to those who advise vigilance and being aware of your surroundings…that’s plain smart. Look both ways and get those earbuds out so you can hear what’s going on around you.
On the 2nd amendment, It IS OUR RIGHT.
I feel safer when I do. By the way for the un-initiated you don’t fumble around with a box of shells and reload on the fly, you are already loaded.
If everyone carried, no one would be a victim.
If you are a violent, criminal type you lose the right.
End of sermon
Uh, rude to all of the people saying concord and Martinez are ghetto. Sure there are ghetto parts but there are also nice parts too. It doesn’t matter where you live, no where is safe anymore.
Wow didn’t hear about this until now! I live a block from Strandwood. It would have been nice to receive some sort of notice from police – loud speaker.
I don’t think these guys took BART. We called the police because we saw a van circling our neighborhood for hours and two black men were “soliciting” our block. They drove here and the van had out of state plates.
Maybe they followed these people into Strandwood? Seeing an iPod or other valuables?
RIP fellow Pleasant Hill neighbor
The Answer is New yorks law
Get caught with a gun *GO TO pRISON FOR 5 YRS) THEY MIGHT THINK TWICE ABOUT CARRY A GUN..
People should not carry guns.(PERIOD) Guns are a weapon, to use to inflict harm. Should I walk around wearing a shirt that says “you’re a piece of s*** fat and the ugliest person in the world”. Probably not but see that’s just me carrying a weapon ready for those who might judge me, make fun of, insult, and so on. That would be unacceptable, but its the same action as carrying a gun, you’re preparing your defense for an attack that hasn’t happened and probably never will happen. Guns are used to do extreme damage to people, if we have a problem with the number of criminals carrying guns, then why not work to improve the gun control laws instead of giving them out more freely. Do you want guns that available to your children, teenagers to play with, and any inexperienced gunman? A lot of these comments rant on how pleasant hill, martinez, and concord are ghettos or going down hill. How is carrying guns on ourselves going to improve. I will draw on Batman and two face, by being a victim don’t become the criminal. This crime is not new to the area if you look at Pleasant Hill history over the last 40 years you would see that these occurrences have happened before, approximately every 10 or so years. It’s really sad this has happened with 2 tragedies so close to each other in this instance. One instance, a local family involved in the community, father murdered his wife. Another instance many many many years ago, a lady chased down her husband and family with an axe. All in Pleasant Hill. We do have an amazing community where bad stuff happens time to time. We can’t keep out the bad, or control the flow of human migration through the area. We can pull together as a community, support our police department, police department support us (please do announce next time so neighbors can help or be warned), support our schools, our teams, churches, support our neighbors (yes try to wave at that neighbor you have never warmed up to, offer them a lemonade or a beer one day and try to bridge that gap). A community raises its youth, what example are we setting these days? I know let’s set a good one, to feel safe in this world you HAVE to carry a gun. You know I don’t think that’s the solution…………
Search was called off after the eventual K9 track led across field and playground out to the front of the school. The guy shot had nothing to do with the 3 kids hanging out in the park area, he was just walking his dog and stepped in when he saw the kids getting robbed.(poss deal that was supposed to happen and somebody to decided to take and not pay)
By the way a women was robbed while walking on Oak Park last night by at least 2 blk males. I guess with so much going on it didn’t make it on here.
It sounds like most people that post are feed up with crime in our cities. So what can you do? VOTE! We need stronger laws in this state that have bigger consequences for these criminals. If you can spend the time logging into your computer to see what’s going on in your community then you can write to your govenor, go to the polls and convience others close to you to do the same. NEWSFLASH & FACT! Crime will never stop and probably not in our cities however if we don’t act properly it will get worse before it gets better. These bad guys know that they time served behind bars will be minimal, thats why they don’t care. We really should be putting bullets in their skull and havingthe family pay for the bullet.
Think about it as long as you can today and wait for the next shooting and the next. Do something! Have a good day and be safe.
@everyone who say to exercise your right to bear arms.
i fully agree.
@The truth yes maybe in this cas thee victim having a gun may have turned it more fatal i agree but yet why was someone at that dark area of the school at night? your asking for conflict. see me i dont put me or my family in bad situations so i know if something bad happens i have the upper hand.
@jeff
i fully agree someone try to come into my backyard and disrupt my household i will not hesitate. and instead of these wanna’be thugs i wont ppull the trigger just once i have no conscience for these shooters
buy a gun. anybody want to know where jus look by your local pleasant hill caspers theres a gun store across the street. hand guns vary from $450 plus
You’re all missing the point. No one sees the direct correlation between the imposition of the contract by the city on the Police Department and the rise in crime? Look at the crime statistics from August 1, 2011 until now. PHPD is the only department in CoCo county to have a contract imposed on them and now crime is on the rise. You get what you pay for.
O.K. Folks…
I am a resident on the 2000 block of Helen Road. I look up and down this street every day and am aware of our surroundings. It was hard to obtain information last night when I noticed the continual circling of the police helicopter. I called the PHPD on the business line and actually felt guilty for taking up their valuable time with my concerns.
I called all my neighbors that I know and alerted them to be aware and to lock their doors.
In these hard economic times, the one thing we can all do to help curb the violence is very simple…TURN ON YOUR PORCH LIGHTS AT DUSK and LEAVE THEM ON UNTIL DAWN…
Make an effort to get to know your neighbors and keep a phone list handy for open communication.
Whether this was a transient crime of opportunity or an internal problem in our town, we as concerened citizens can take back this area by banding together and standing tall! A well lit street is a small investment to make, considering the alternatives! I urge each and every one of you to take a walk in your own area today, and stop to talk with your neighbors!
Every member of the media that Demonizes CCW quickly sticks their foot in mouth once they attend Frontsight firearms training in Nevada.
Let’s think about it: Criminals are COWARDS, do you think they are going to chance it robbing someone that’s carrying when they can just go to the mall and rob your unarmed grandma.
@HAP,
Do you know where on Oak Park? What time did that happen?
The PHPD has a community alert system called Nixle. Why wasn’t that activated last night?
I got a Nixle alert last week that the PHPD was hiring police officers and have been notified that senior citizens have wandered off but nothing about criminals potentially running through my back yard.
PHPD- Can you please explain? What does this alert system cost the city? Why even have it if not for situations like this?
Some really special people on here tonight. Blame BART? thats like blaming the gun!! The comments on how it’s people from “Concord”. Who cares where they are from? We need to work as a community (Concord, Pleasant Hill, Martinez) and take these cities back. When you see these people hanging out by the school late at night call the police, when you see anything suspicious call the police. Lets take these cities back. We can’t wake up and hear long lists everyday of people that have been victims of violence. What about these poor people making minimum wage getting guns pulled on them every night at these stores. We all need to work together!!
Its great to see multiple races working together towards a common goal.
It would be interesting to see results of statistics recorded regarding crimes as posted on Claycord…. “just the facts, Mam” …. by a “Claycordian”; then report said statistics at the “Claycord Council Meeting”. Hmmm
Maybe I’ll do that …. now that I am (sadly) unemployed. It’ll give me something to do in all my spare time in addition to housewifely duties and job searching.
You racist scumbags don’t say anything when a black or Hispanic male is killed by a group of white boys. I happen to have grown up in pleasant hill and I am black. Some if the white boys out here are far more low class and “ghetto” than the black and Hispanic population. Look who’s hanging out by liquor stores-white boys. Check the facts before you make racist assumptions. I pray that God has mercy on your racist souls. It’s people like you who make pleasant hill look bad.
Same shit differernt day. I ve grown tired of the bay area turning into a shithole and having these vermin decaying our communities, too bad there isn’t a permanent solution. I love the bay area too much to not give a shit.
I agree with French Press that something was going on like someone heard of this guy and buds waiting at Strandwood to buy some drugs…they decided to meet them and rob them knowing that they must have money since they where there to buy drugs…Strandwood is not your big choice for “trolling” to find a innocent victim. Someone knew they would be there. Start asking the victims some hard questions and you will find more of the truth. No one deserves to get shot but sometimes people put themselves in a position to be in harms way. I hope the man shot survives.
some one is dead another senseless killing. We have all been blessed with a low murder rate in Pleasant Hill. We need to continue to stick together as a community regardless of race. I grew up in the city moved here so my kids would have a better life that was 12 years ago. I will remain here and do what I can do to protect my city and residence. Rip Mike Jones and my fellow neighbor. We should have a candle light vigil this man rip stood up for someones kids and tried to protect them he died a hero.
BIG thanks to our local governments… and Section 8 subsidies!
I am afraid to think of some of the angry people today with guns. Just look around at the streets we drive on, children’s sporting activities, grocery stores. Peoples reactions are many times out of control and not proportioned to the reason they are upset. So many people feel wronged and disrespected over others human error. I think the real problem is the lack of family values, and more specifically, the Father’s role. There are too many broken homes and Fathers ignoring their responsibilities. A Dad’s role is to be the provider, the leader, and to take responsibility to teach their children. Yes, Moms are important too, but I really believe the family works best when the Father is the head of the household, and he takes the responsibility seriously and respects the members of his family!
Fight crime by being observant! I live by a park that gets a lot of foot traffic. I see a lot of regulars going by but sometimes I see someone that just looks like they could be trouble. Make a mental note of, how many people, what they are wearing, and time of day. If you seen them get out of a car, write down the license or take a picture. The police appreciate it if someone calls in after a crime and gives them something helpful like. Yesterday around 5:15PM I seen two black males and a hispanic male get out of a gray four door Toyota on Helen Rd and walk toward Strandwood. A partial license is 4EKT… Note what they are wearing…Is it just a red hat or a San Francisco 49er hat with an emblem on the front and a gold brim. Did his black jeans have a design on them This info can be helpful. Don’t be paranoid, sitting at your window all day taking pictures… just be observant.
Wait, did the person who was shot last night die? I can’t find any information about this anywhere.
@40: Really? The District of Columbia is ranked #1. They also have the strictest gun control laws in the country. Handguns were actually banned
there since 1975! Yet the murder rate soared. Look up Heller vs DC.
Also guns are used more in the US for self defense than crimes, most of the time without even being fired. About 6,850 times a day. Just the fact that 50% of homes even in CA own a firearm makes a criminal think twice about busting your door down. http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm
Swimcoach: Please get your head out of the sand. You can bend over and be a good victim all you want. I choose not to. Unfortunately, because of people like you, I don’t have that RIGHT in CA.
Prayers to the family and neighbor who was shot.
@Jay:
Many posters on this sight would react in the very same way they are now if a black or hispanic person was assaulted by whites. The problem is that in our little Claycord community here that doesn’t happen near as often. If you have stories or statistics that bear out your allegation that people on this sight are racist because we only react to crimes against whites, please provide them. You should be aware, though, that every story or statistic you come up with is going to be met with ten stories like the one we’re talking about here.
Had the police made an announcement of a shooting this is what would have happened. People would panic. The police department would have been inundated with calls and 9-1-1 calls from people demanding to know what was happening. It would have overwhelm them, their phone system and would have diverted valuable resources from the manhunt.
@ Jay,
The numbers don’t lie. I don’t care how PC the media tries to spin something, you can’t deny statistics.
Furthermore, if talking about the fact that the preponderance of crimes reported on this website are perpetrated by non-whites makes me a racist, then unfortunately I’m guilty as charged. And if the Mayor is not reporting any crimes against non-whites, then he is guilty as charged. I don’t believe that is the case.
In other more urban communities I have no doubt that there are plenty of crimes committed by white criminals against non-whites (I use that term because I’m not sure “minority” fits the bill in our diverse state). The fact of the matter is that this website focuses on a relatively small geographical area, and as such it is likely that crime reporting might seem skewed in a racist manner.
I, for one, know in my heart that I am no racist because asking the question “why are things the way they are?” does not make one a racist. Everyone needs to be honest with themselves when they make their own self-assessment.
I disagree. An alert would let people know to keep an eye out, turn on their backyard lights and remain vigilant. The alert could say not to call 911 and that updates are forthcoming.
People who needlessly call 911 have their id displayed so they should be discouraged.
Honestly, this is the reason why I signed up for Nixle.
@ Willie. Seriously!
@P Hill Mom. The earlier drive-by was not random. When someone decides to run in certain circles bad stuff can happen. These days too many are quick to end things with guns. Everyone , not just kids need to understand this.
@ Jay. Why turn this into a race issue, this is a crime issue. Crime happens and has no race boundaries. Personally I think most would mourn the senseless loss of any life.
@Anon- not sure of the exact time but it was on Oak Park in front of the library.
Those of you arguing for open carry. While I may not entirely disagree with you, I find it disturbing reading some of your posts. Some of you can’t make a WRITTEN argument from your computer without cursing and calling people names. You expect me to believe that in public, with a gun on your hip you can be trusted to act rationally if someone pisses you off? You want a safer community? Try something other than wearing a gun at your local Starbucks. Seeing you there did not make me feel safer. Just because you had a gun, doesn’t insure you will use it responsibly. Like some other recent movements, you killed a perfectly good messages with the tactics you used to promote it. Better luck next time.
First off, its just SAD period, tht this shit happens!! But to start laying the finger and blame on “outsider/Ghetto pple”??? WTF IS THAT??! AND TO THINK THAT PH AND SURROUNDING AREAS ARE “GHETTO”?? PLEAAAASE!! FIRST OFF YOU HATERS, GET YOUR TERMINOLOGY CORRECT LIKE #21 SAID! QUIT BEIN IGNORANT BEINGS N SOO DAMN RACIST! AND TO SAY FOR ”
THOSE” HOODLUMSS TO GO BACK TO THERE TOWN?? HOW DO U KNOW THERE NOT FROM AROUND P.H?? WHAT?? ONLY OAKLAND/CONCORD/PITTBURG HAVE SHIT AND CRIMINALS?? JUST GO BACK TO YOUR PRETTY UNREALISTIC LIVES THAT ALL YOU RACIAL/ UNREALISTIC PPLE COME FROM AND SHUT IT UP!!!
It’s unfortunate that we never read about these gun control advocates being visited by armed intruders. I would like to read the news reports about the results when such an individual greets an armed thug with a boquet of roses and a “peace brother” greeting.
In regards to “Oh Boy” – shut up. c’est tout!
Do we know how the victim is today? The article was printed a while ago and says critical but some posts sound like they know he died. It’s so scary. Was he just an innocent victim, walking his dog, helping some kids? I do wonder what the kids were doing at Strandwood, in the dark, just milling around? How did the suspects know that anyone would be there. It’s off the beaten path, not like they would just stumble upon them, unless the met them there for a reason. Did their parents know where they were? Just “hanging out” on school property, in the dark? That’s ok with them I guess?
@ Jay…”You racist scumbags don’t say anything when a black or Hispanic male is killed by a group of white boys.”
We wouldn’t NEED to say anything. IF that ever happened in Claycord… Rev’s Al, Jesse, the ACLU and NAACP would be happy to do all the talking for us. Of course, they are nowhere to be seen during this recent wave of hoodlums in hoodies. Where’s the outrage? Where’s the indignation? Calls for justice? Screams of civil rights violations? Don’t white victims have civil rights too?
Hmmm…guess not.
What is sad here is the guy at John Muir who saw something and stepped in to try and stop it.
Those blaming outsiders-wrong! Who knows where they were from but they were here because they were attracted. If this was a weed deal that attracts thugs of any and all races. Those pointing at one race or another need to wake up., this is about crime and anyone thinking its all done by any one race will become a victim themselves one day. Odds are it’ll be from the one your not watching.
@76,
You’re oblivious. Look at the descriptions of nearly every armed robbery in Walnut Creek and Pleasant Hill over the past 3 or 4 years. What do you see? Of the ones that get caught, look at where they come from. The percentages are in the ninety some odd percent range. You can live in your pollyanna fantasy world where anyone that states facts are “racists”, but the rest of us prefer to live in “reality land”.
p.s. Your “caps lock” key seems to be stuck.
The city of Pleasant Hill needs to stop worrying about their precious redevelopment projects and start taking care of the taxpaying citizens who live here. Demand that they start allocating more money to protect us!! not to mention….how about some lights in our neighborhoods? how about the roads and structural problems all over this city? flooding? seriously? some of our problems here would never fly in other city’s that are responsible with it’s money. And by the way, where is the revenue that was promised?
You live in fantasyland. I live a few blocks from the shooting. Today, I decided to obtain a CCW, whatever it takes. I WILL get one. I will also use it to defend your helpless liberal being when you need it. It’s not if, but when.
You’re welcome !
I have not heard that he died.
Reading the dozens of posts from conceited pleasent hill parents disgusts me. Concord and Martinez “riff raff” can’t always be blamed for your apparently flawless city’s problems. Crime happens everywhere, even the slightly more upscale side of the same general area. Claiming your problems are sure to not being able to keep the “blacks and hispanics out of our fine city” makes you sound absolutely ridiculous, misinformed, and ignorant. I would hope as a grown adult everyone would be well to admit that this recent violence is due to horrible people committing a despicable crime. No matter where you are, or what race the criminal and victim are, murder is a horrible tragedy. PH is filled with “bad kids” like any other city, I can promise you that. And I hardly think arguing against BART will ease this senseless violence, nor advocating open carry. Come together as the strong, unified community you preach of, and work together in vigilance. Not pointing fingers at others.
Money is the problem. Not drugs or guns or races. 50 percent of youths under 30 are unemployed, so they don’t have any money, because all the rich CORPORATE criminals stole it all. Wait, money is just paper! We don’t need it! We could end SO many problems if we just eliminated $$$. We throw away enough food to feed the world because there is not enough $$$ to pay for it. $$$ just allows us to be controlled and LIMITS our potential. Evolve your thinking. What would Jesus do? Pull out his mastercard? Don’t think so…evolve.Please.
#76,
Try that again, after the drugs have worn off. And use real words and real sentences this time.
On second thought, don’t bother.
@Anon#70
Disagree all you want because you’re naive as to how 9-1-1 works and how people us it. All 9-1-1 calls come to the police department – Police, Fire & Emergencies. The police triage all calls and route them accordingly.
When people call 9-1-1 to ask PHPD how big an earthquake was in San Jose or if we know of a good restaurant I know damn good and well what they will do when something happens in their backyards. If you think putting out a Nixle that there was a shooting and saying more to follow is going a appease people than you’re doubly naive.
Each phone call is answered. Overflow calls are transferred to Martinez PD. Now you’re impacting a neighboring dispatch center. While the one Dispatcher and maybe if your lucky two community service officers are dealing with irate panicky people on the phones with non-emergency questions, maybe just maybe someone with a legit emergency cannot get through.
Simply because their was a shooting, crime and medical emergencies in other parts of the City and neighboring cities didn’t simply stop and wait for a more convenient time.
Their are limited resources and where as getting information out is important is not a priority. A less polite way of saying it would be the world does not revolve around you.
Pleasant Hill has been developed as a very nice community where people can get out and walk without having to drive. It’s also home to many elderly and disabled young and old alike who need to be able to get out of their home without fear of being shot or beat up.
Those who say PH is becoming a ghetto… had better check their property tax bills. We pay a fair share of taxes for Police protection here. Usually it’s a pretty quiet area… there are domestic disputes, traffic accidents and scuffles — but drive-by shootings, attempted armed robberies of individuals, armed robberies of store and gas stations and now people in quiet neighborhoods getting shot.
I have a disabled adult child who moved here to live “because” it was a safe and quiet community where people could walk around and not get hassled. Now what do we do?
Will we have to move to Oregon or something?
C’mon… PH-PD — start doing a better job of protecting us! Put up road blocks if you have to… a lot of money and effort have gone into making this a nice place to live.
Police: Keep the jerks out of our town — otherwise all the nice folks here will start moving and Walnut Creek and Pleasant Hill will just end up looking more and more like those other towns around the Bay Area that none of us want to live in.
Chanel 2 said he died here is an update from their website posted this morning. http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/man-shot-during-robbery-behind-pleasant-hill-eleme/nJJLF/
Suggestion for ALL schoolyards: Install 8-foot chain link fences with barbed wire on outward-slanted metal brackets (the same thing which is around CNWS) and surveillance cameras on after dark. At dusk, EVERY school playground will be swept by a K-9 unit while another officer watches at the gate to be sure that no-one sneaks back inside. Secure the gates until the school’s security guard (and schools should have those) electronically unlocks them just before school each morning. In other words, push the perps back out into the light….same with loading areas behind shopping centers, in which case the owner of the shopping center must pay for the fencing and security precautions.
Shut down gun shows.
Concord Student at #86 ~ ~ ~ I agree with you.
However, always remember that on a blog like this, a person can claim to be from a certain city when actually he is living in Denver, Sacramento, or London. He might just enjoy being obnoxious. Or he might hope to turn the rest of us against people who really ARE from Pleasant Hill.
I wish you well in your studies. Are you planning a career in diplomacy?
Not sure why they said he died when their update says he’s still alive.
I feel bad saying this, but I dont think Pleasant hill PD is trying hard to get this solved. I *tried* tipping them off too some neighbors of mine (I/we live not far from this incident) who match the exactly description, were mysteriously absent all last night, AND have criminal histories. The PD was not the least bit interested in the tip and littereally told me if I was that concerned, I could call back tuesday when investigations is open. What a shame.
ugh, typo literally not lttereally
“Shut down gun shows.”
Is this the same Antler that said Everyone should have a landline? You’re still stuck in 1987, FYI, Criminals don’t usually bother with a background check and register their weapons. Today you’re crying about guns, when the guns are all gone you’ll then be whining about knives. Killers kill.
Poster above is right. Maybe it is time to seal off all the public schools during evening hours. Schools have signs posted not to enter after dark, but no fences to keep people out. No good can come from people hanging out at a school at night. Prayers to the innocent victim. Sounds like a drug deal gone bad. Hope the PHPD squeezes the truth from the “witnesses”.
“Having morals and a conscience is a thing of the past.”
It doesn’t have to be. Just because some people decide to become lowlife scoundrels, doesn’t mean that the world has to follow suit……
Where are people seeing that this man was just walking his dog and not associated with the teens at the school? I didn’t see that anywhere in the article. Enlighten me, please.
There are so many interesting arguments for carrying a gun and against carrying a gun. The bottom line is more guns are on the streets now than people with the rights to carry a concealed weapon. Does that mean that you should just automatically arm everyone that doesn’t have a weapon to defend themselves?? My OPINION is no. Why? Because it is too late to turn the tide back to where an ordinary thug can purchase a gun on the street illegally. Where do people think these guns come from?? Stolen from home invasion robberies where weapons are stored improperly.
Other countries have zero tolerance for thieves armed with guns. A deterrent is life imprisonment and a restriction on what weapons the public can buy. We are a nation fascinated by weapons. Our culture reflects that. Our movie industry reflects it also…….
“I am so d@mn tired of black and hispanic males robbing people out here!!!”
“I predict the suspects are NOT P.Hill residents.”
“We can thank BART for bringing these “out-of-town” low-life’s into our town.”
“this recent wave of hoodlums in hoodies…Don’t white victims have civil rights too?”
“The numbers don’t lie. I don’t care how PC the media tries to spin something, you can’t deny statistics.”
“…the preponderance of crimes reported on this website are perpetrated by non-whites…”
And on, and on. To these posters, I must offer you congratulations. It is complicated and often frustrating to operate a computer when you are geriatric, decrepit and stuck in a distant era of past youth when lines were respected for being clearly defined (“colored” restaurant: this side, “normal” restaurant: that side. Now we have BART trains throwing the whole balance out of whack! No wonder society is a fermenting sewer). To use a computer and post a comment at your age, with your vestigial tumors of hatred and ignorance, bending your very spines into hideous humps and making it uncomfortable to breathe or read a magazine or visit a grocery store…well…that is the real amazing part of this whole story.
My cousin recently bought a home in Pleasant Hill. She found an old “Welcome to the Neighborhood” pamphlet in the attic that was printed in 1961. In it, new residents are cautioned in no uncertain terms with the rule: “No black visitors. Violators will be fined and penalized by the Homeowner’s Association.”
Fastforward to February 18, 2012.
There is a real history of institutionalized racism that extends to even our poor, fabled little city of Pleasant Hill (as has been unintentionally redemonstrated by you all). I realize that many of the previously referenced commenters are of the new breed of hate-mongerers, a fresh bunch on the scene who were born after the advent of the computer. But you revel in the same outdated ignorance and inherent fallacies of previous generations, and therefore should be lumped in with those dinosaurs of hate.
Unfortunately for such fools, Pleasant Hill is part of California, which is part of the United States, which shares its atmosphere with the rest of Earth. Problems that stem from historic, systematic racism and many other nuanced social and economic issues exist not just on the distant horizon of super faraway Concord, but here in P. Hill as well. Setting up community watch groups, volunteering in areas where crime is high and incomes are low, educating yourself and others are all viable options here. Meanwhile, vomiting into comment boxes hatreds that were sufficiently deconstructed 40 years ago seems to be the preferred solution on this website.
I love it-all the simple solutions: Either arm everyone or ban all guns.There is evil afoot ,always has been. The solution of course, is to lock these criminals up or kill them. They are like dangerous microbes.I don’t care what race they are or where they are from.Remove them from our midst. Thank you for your consideration.
It’s sooooo funny how RACIST some people are. Get over yourselves. Anyone could have done this. In any city. At any time. Black, white, hispanic; concord, pitt, pleasant hill. WHY does ANY of that matter? Just keep your ignorant opinions to yourselves.
And one more note. Many commenters referenced statistics that clearly prove people who are Not White are the ones doing all the bad stuff like violent crimes in all of Pleasant Hill, Concord et. al. I, too, have statistics that prove things. Here’s a good one: 100% of the people who referenced statistical data that confirms their own racial bias did not (or could not) provide a single source of actual statistics.
@the truth #18
“sad thing is the shooter will read this tmo and laugh”
You’re assuming the scumbag can read or would care to.
It is really sad how much crime has been going on lately. Sadly, it was only a matter of time before some one was injured. As for Martinez being ghetto. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Yes there are some unsavory characters, but there are those in Walnut Creek and PH as well. Further more, I feel much safer going to the bank or out at night in Downtown Martinez than in PH or Concord right now. Martinez hasn’t had all the armed robberies. I can’t think of one in the last 6 months, yet can think of several in PH and Concord. Most of those in the last few weeks, and in busy area in broad daylight.
Go ahead and call me an idiot. I’ll be alive.
Hey, maybe when the cops bust the guy, you can all go hold his hand and sing kumbaya. After all, it’s just some poor misguided kid, right? Surely all he needs is attention and some money for his habit…Maybe we can put him in a “program”, or educate him. That will stop his actions, right?
Guns are more accessible in California to criminals than to law abiding citizens. Criminals don’t wait 10 days. Nor do they fill out paperwork. Nor do they go through a background check.
And somehow, to you sheep who are “afraid of guns”, I’m scarier than the criminal is? Who is the idiot again? Pointing the fingers RIGHT BACK AT THOSE WHO VOTED FOR POLITICIANS WHO DON’T GIVE TWO CRAPS ABOUT ANY OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS RIGHTS.
It’s time for more proactive policing by PHPD:
“Yo, Tyrone! Hands on the car and spread ‘em!
If word gets out, maybe these ghetto m***********s will go back under the rock they came from.
I love watching the comments about the right to bear arms..does anyone seriously think if the victim had pulled out a gun, he wouldn’t have been shot anyway?! (if this wasn’t the case already) and even though the others were too young to own a weapon, if they had done the same, why would the robbers not have shot them too? Having a weapon makes you a threat and ultimately a target to anyone who wants to cause you harm, can’t see it as a solution. And I’m sure it wouldn’t have mattered if the shooter was green skinned with purple hair…the scene would’ve gone down the same…a little heads up, it’s not the colour of your skin that controls your trigger finger
@Hap….couldn’t be more serious
@A Mom….Road blocks? What a great idea. With “all” four officers on duty I’m quite sure the police department could block all the streets. Who would look for the bad guy. Your city councilman David Durant says the police department is woefully over-staffed. Jack Weir couldn’t have agreed more with Durant. Now they’re the first ones to start asking questions as to why violent crime is at an all-time high. Imposing the contract was the worst decision they could have made. Now, we the citizens of PH get to live with the results. Low morale and being understaffed is the actual problem. Like I said earlier, you get what you pay for.
@ Jeff – I don’t see anyone bringing up sympathy for the victim except your sarcastically toned tantrum about it. Try to stay on point. The debates seem to be about the racist comments, whether or not these criminals seem to be coming from over the hill in Antioch/Pittsburg (I believe most do), and the right to arm oneself.
Your debate that since criminals have easy access to guns, you should is weak. Criminals have plenty of access to a lot of things that should not be legal. You don’t get to make up your own traffic laws, etc. People speed all of the time too and drive like idiots. That doesn’t give you the “right” to do that either.
The constitution is vague about the right to bear arms in its direct reference to standing militias, etc. American’s vision of real freedom was still extremely restricted back then. The 10th amendment, states rights, is more imprtant to me. Live in a state, live by the rules of it’s people. If you want other rules, move.. I did.
anon at #97 ~ ~ ~ I not only previously SAID that everyone should have a landline, I explained WHY in detail, including the fact that one of my immediate family relatives in Navy command position and also other people considered “emergency responders” are required….that’s REQUIRED….to have a landline (in addition to whatever else they desire to have for normal use). In times of national or natural disasters, we have repeatedly seen that the cell grids FAIL because of heavy usage. Depending on the nature of the disaster, landlines may still be working and could be your only means of asking for and offering help…..and contacting the rest of your family.
I have been at gun shows and have personally witnessed background checks being waived. Also I have walked toward a gun show table in time to see a buyer receiving an “antique” firearm and heard the dealer advise the new owner that he was including the instructions for returning the “antique” to full working order. Laws are broken at those gun shows! I’m not crying about guns. I’m writing to oppose the easy availability of them to the criminal element, and gun shows are a very weak link. Get over yourself.
There are statistics breaking down crime by race available from the F.B.I. they confirm what many people fear and believe, sad but true.
Have you been to a gun show around here recently? They hardly sell any actual guns; it almost all accessories. I don’t think many of these criminals are hand-loading their rounds, so gun shows aren’t going to help them out much. The limited guns you do see there are almost all relics/curios. I haven’t heard about too many criminals using valuable old cowboy guns to commit crimes. Like #97 said, these guys don’t do the whole background check, legal purchase thing, anyway.
@Swimcoach…Gun control keep the guns out of law abiding citizens and not the criminal element. What part of you will never keep guns from getting to the thugs and criminals don’t you understand? No matter how many laws you create to stop gun sales, it won’t stop the underground from selling them…big money in that my friend. Law abiding people are not the problem and you don’t have to worry about them, we don’t go around killing people or shooting at people or robbing….I will say it again, only the thugs and cold blooded people do that and you can’t stop them EVER from getting guns. The underground is big business.
Times are getting worse and will continue to get worse…it’s just the way it’s going. You can’t change it no matter what you do. I hope that you or anybody else will never get in a situation that will end your life…but if you do, do you want to be defenseless or do you want a chance to survive. It’s a choice you have to make in the world today.
The only one that needs to get over themselves is YOU. It’s okay to not be informed about all subjects. You obviously have Not been to a gun show lately. Would you please inquire about the Presidents Fast and Furious recent gun sales.
@Antler….gun shows are not the problem…nor are the gun stores…. You need to be a law abiding citizen to get a gun from them. You have background checks and if you have anything on your record…you are refused. The ‘Underground’ is where the criminal element are getting guns. The gun stores are where us law abiding go to get protection…and we continue to obey the laws. The sale of guns by the underground is not going away…ever. By taking guns away you leave us all sitting ducks. You can die or you can stand the chance of surviving. I’m starting to sound like a broken record on this subject. If you don’t like what I’m saying… you can continue to live in La-la Land.
@Hap#74 and @Elwood #109 Get your facts straight. You refer to the “BH and Bad circles”…The young man, Mike Jones, “ran” with the kids who were/are on sports teams, ones who went on to get athletic & academic scholarships, young adults who hold jobs or are in college. These are the kids most parents hope your children will be or become. They are the Leadership, letter-jacket well rounded youth of PH, MRTZ and Concord. They are our future leaders! They need help, guidance and love they have gone through the worst tragedy one could imagine. Be there for them! And PLEASE stop the racist comments…Your next police officer, attorney, teacher, fireman or doctor may be BLACK,HISPANIC, ASIAN, INDIAN or WHITE. And I for one just pray that they are ready to help me where needed.
To Antler and all you other ‘anti-gun’ people….the problem of the criminal element is not going away…and all guns for sale at local gun shops have strict guidelines to follow with the Department of Justice. I do know that they don’t want to break any laws regarding the sell of guns. You are finger printed and a back ground check is done on each and every individual who wants to buy a gun.
The thugs…oh, they know where they can buy guns and it’s not at a gun shop or gun show. It’s as underground as the sell of drugs. You are not going to stop it…no matter what you do.
Protect yourself…that’s all I can say…oh, I forgot, we can’t do that because of the laws against carrying…
SixStringer at #118 (and other posters) ~ ~ ~ We are VERY well armed and trained here, thank you very much!!! I wrote nothing against gun STORES. I have personally witnessed infractions at gun SHOWS, however. Maybe you skipped over a few things in my post at #113?
Another situation which makes me furious is that there are so many legitimate gun owners who do not store their firearms and ammunition in SAFES (and preferably with the ammunition in a separate safe). Even some of the legitimate gun owners who have safes still foolishly tell minors in the home what the safe combination is or where the key is. A minor may have passed all the gun safety courses the NRA gives, but you never know when his emotional immaturity will kick in over some presumed “slight”, or “insult”, or “need to get respect”, or “need for cash from the nearest all-night convenience store”. It’s difficult enough to predict emotional immaturity and testosterone tantrums in adults!!!
Reading this site is both shocking as to the amount of racism that is so openly voiced as well as the urge for people to carry guns. It horrifies me to think about a lot of you angry commenters carrying a gun and being able to use it openly if one feels threatened. Imagine if the others walking had pulled guns out, I think a blood bath would have ensued… I do see in the articles recently that the majority of the suspects have been “not white,” however, I have seen plenty of articles involving “white crackheads, gangbangers, or just bad people”
I am a white mid twenties female who has grown up living in Pleasant Hill/Walnut Creek and has gone to school in San Diego and Santa Barbara. There are bad people everywhere. Desperate people will do desperate things for money, drugs, gangs, etc and as our community continues to grow so does the crime in all areas. The crime in the college community in Santa Barbara was high bc there was a surplus of wealth and poverty, kids that wanted drugs, and an easy access to unlocked doors of students. Pleasant Hill and the surrounding towns, Martinez, Walnut Creek, Berkeley, and even Oakland have both very affluent and very poor areas making each city a target for those wo have nothing to lose from robbing or hurting another for their own gain.
I have a dog that does not get along well with other dogs so we take her to run often late at night on a school field in Pleasant Hill. In the 100 times I have been out at night I have seen one other person out with their dog… When we saw the person our dog was immediately leashed and we were headed to our car with mace in hand, not because the person wanted any trouble but because it wasn’t worth it to find out. We let the dog run at the schools that back up to the police department in the hopes that adds a little safety to the outing but realize the risk we take every time we go out at night that puts ourself in a position of vulnerability being alone in an isolated area.
Most crimes have some type of pre-thought out intent. Those walking in the school did not just happen to see someone walking and realize “hey I have a gun, I should rob these people at 7:15 at night” … They had to have something they thought they would gain from the attack. Unfortunately, the attack the week before was on a kind person from a loving family; however, from the sources close to me that knew him there is more to the story and his affiliation with gangs or people affiliated with gangs that is an underlying cause of why he was a target. Wrong place wrong time or often wrong decision on who you associate with puts people into bad situations.
I tend to get to wordy so what I am trying to say is that I agree with protecting yourself and your home, I believe it is on the community to look out for each other by reporting unusual characters and observing your surroundings; however, ultimately it is up to each individiaul to decide who they affilate with, the situations you put yourself in, and when to avoid a situation. This paired with community interaction and increased involvement from the police (whether it be from voting on stricter laws, paying more to increase the amount of on duty officers, and figuring out a way to inform the community when a crime has taken place both for community safety and assistance finding the suspects) will help with the issue but not solve it. All we can do is look out for ourselves eachother and hope that we aren’t the victims of some random act of violence. We live in an imperfect world with good and bad people. Knowing this I will continue to look over my shoulder but will also remain hopeful that that this is a passing phase like in past decades and that the recent violent attacks weren’t random, but on those that did put themselves in bad situations.
I love our community and those in it. I pray (term used loosely as i am not religious) for all our communities safety and that we can pull together not point fingers after these recent attacks. If we don’t attempt to improve as a community then we too are partally to blame for continued violence.
@Racists Dinosaurs,
You are completely naive and blind to reality. All the crime stats report this, even the ones from the United States Department of Justice. So, why don’t you provide us with evidence that they’re wrong and how situation isn’t the case?
Grow up.
If Too Bad No. 95 is correct in saying that the dispatcher said that the investigations department is not open until Tuesday, then I am very disappointed in PHPD management.
In the military, if the enemy attacks and the soldiers have to fight, then nobody gets to go on leave. The same is true here – there was a shooting and the investigators should be investigating now, not next Tuesday, because time helps the perpetrator.
In a big city such as Oakland, there are many murders and investigators can’t be on the job 24/7. But this is Pleasant Hill, where murders and shootings are rare. When one happens, we want it investigated immediately. All investigators’ days off should be canceled. They should be working overtime if necessary.
Perhaps this reflects the different attitude of a Chief of Police from a large city – just another shooting. Perhaps it would have been better to hire a chief with a small city, suburban background who would be aware that a shooting in a town like PH is unusual and must be dealt with at once.
#59 — your crime stats are right here: http://ag.ca.gov/cjsc/publications/preliminarys/jd10/crime_in_2010.pdf?
@Antlers
Everything here is inside of a safe and bolted not only to the floor but to the wall as well. Nobody else has the combo but my wife and myself and the ammo is also under lock and key in a separate place. My argument is that they will not help me if I happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time…just being a law abiding citizen. I you observe a gun show not acting in accordance with the law it is your duty as a witness and law abiding citizen to turn them in….on the spot. I have not seen this kind of behavior myself…and I’m now not doubting you and if you say you’ve seen this…I must believe it so. The problem is not with us law abiding citizens but with the criminal element. Even if there are no gun shows not obeying the law…the thugs can get weapons like they can get drugs. It’s never going to stop and only get worse. Good talking to you.
The teens AND their parents should be charged as accessories in this incident. If the teens are not “hanging out”, this shooting does not happen.
SixStringer at #126 ~ ~ ~ Thanks. You too.
@ Willie. I agree the morale at the PD is at its lowest but that is not the reason for the spike in violent crime. Look at how much of the same stuff is happening in all over this area. The Sheriff’s Office Dep.s have done nothing but lose pay and benefits but they are still out there working the cases. I know several P-Hill officers and yes the morale is low but that has nothing to do with crime going up.
@LovePh. I know my facts otherwise I wouldn’t have said anything. Being an athlete doesn’t keep people from running in the wrong circles or hanging with the wrong people. How many athletes are in the paper everyday for making poor choices???
I so hope the victim will survive. Please accept my apologies for all the nervous gun talk. It just seems such a terrible scenario, and I hate to give in and say we’ll never change things.
Here are the arrest statistics from the FBI website.
Arrests, by Race, 2010
■In 2010, 69.4 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.0 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races.
■Of all juveniles (individuals under the age of 18) arrested in 2010 in the Nation, 66.3 percent were white, 31.1 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races.
■Nearly 70 percent (69.9) of all adults arrested in 2010 were white, 27.5 percent were black, and 2.6 percent were of other races.
■White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race, accounting for 59.3 percent of those arrests.
■The percentages of adult white and black arrestees for murder were similar, with 50.0 percent being white, and 48.0 percent being black.
■Juveniles who were black accounted for 50.5 percent of juvenile arrests for violent crimes.
■Juveniles who were white accounted for 64.0 percent of juvenile arrests for property crimes.
■Of juvenile arrestees charged with driving under the influence, 91.2 percent were white.
■Juveniles who were white accounted for 75.4 percent of juvenile arrests for arson in 2010.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43
JWB,
An excellent example of funny math. Why don’t you tell us the percentage of arrests for each group and their respective percentage of the population.
Who the hell cares about whether s/he was white, black, orange, yellow or purple!!! There’s good people and bad people in ALL the races. Get your narrow minds out of your a-.
When will we start being honest and see that blacks are overwhelmingly the cause of crimes in this country and our immediate area. Yes…you know this is true. Yes, you too racially profile. Why? Simple, they Make up 13% of the population, yet commit a far greater percentage of crimes. Is it so wrong to get your guns load them and keep them close by or even carry one with you when walking your dog…I don’t think so if you these two facts and you live in a non black neighborhood and have incidents like this happen. I shall now and forever racially profile, and have my guns fully loaded…I better not see a black man on my property i do not know!
At Birdy #127 – You really are an idiot with a capital “I”.
Kids should not be raised to live in a bubble – If the teens were out, innocently strolling around their neighborhood, minding their own business, why would their parents need to take the blame for the Black Thugs that have no business in that neighborhood in the first place (as they clearly do not reside in Pleasant Hill). It does not appear, at this point, that the teens were doing anything wrong. The bottom line is that the Black Thugs do not belong in our neighborhood and it is going to take the citizens to get them out! It is no secret that the out of area Blacks case the neighborhoods in an effort to find anyone, or anything they can rob, shoot or kill. Even these thugs have reached an all time low trying to rob kids under 18! Maybe they should get a job – or better yet, why don’t you employ them?
Again….you really are an idiot for posting something so stupid!
jeff 108 love it…
i just love the Concealed Carry Report add on claycord.com. i think all of my gun owners in claycord would love to have a Concealed Carry license. i bet you some crimes might never of happend……its just sad that you have to be home by dark just to be safe.
So this is how the February “Black /African History Month” is celebrated in Pleasant Hill.
@Hap….you’re totally wrong. I don’t care who you know. Look at all of the statistics for PHPD and therein will lie the answer. It’s not about guns and race like all of these idiots want to talk about.
Everyone needs to do their History homework. For all of you ‘anti’ second ammendment folks, Hitler systematically disarmed the Jews before killing 6 million of them. Look up “the night of broken glass”. If you think it can’t happen here, you are spending too much time on facebook. It is happening here. (fast and furious). So, after you’ve purchased whatever it is you need to purchase, head on over to our local Barnes and Noble and pick yourself up a bible (while you still can, before they are outlawed.) Get a NKJ version and not one of the newer PC touchy feely bibles. Read what Jesus has to say on how things will be before his return (Matthew 24). We’re there folks whether you want to admit it or not. Society has been dumbed down and numbed down. It seems the population in their altered states of consiousness (yoga) is starting to believe the lies coming from everywhere. (yes, there is a transformation of the mind with yoga and it’s not a good one.)
Bye bye Miss American Pie
It is not unusual for teenagers to go to the Strandwood track late at night (like during sleepovers…) and “hang out” on the weekend. They might have a little pot or some alcohol snuck into a water bottle. Parents try to be aware of where their kids are, but sometimes they choose to trust the parents where their kids are staying, or just trust their kids. All guns everywhere should be banned, that would make it safer.
@jwb – your stats are obviously flawed as they do not include hispanics – or is white a catch all for everyone who is not black?
@Maranatha – Are you a troll, or just completely insane? I’m scared that there are people like you sharing our air.
@Willie, @Hap,
Be careful about critizing the PHPD or its chief Pete Dunbar or “The Mayor” will censor your post. (meaning it wont get posted) This is the third time I’ve posted that the citizenry of Pleasant Hill call on Dunbar to be fired. I live in Pleasant Hill and it is our right to be policed by whom we choose. “The Mayor” seems to think otherwise and that his friendship and business relationships with police brass is more important.
@Antler, and sixstringer, and everyone else discussing guns in the home.
My comment will likely set off a chain reaction of arguing and I’m sorry for that. This is an argument I’ve been having with myself for years. I agree that in a house with children, guns should be secured in a safe. My problem is, when you have a gun for home protection, what good is it if when your door is kicked in, you have to open up a safe in order to get to it? I’m not posing this question because I think I have the right answer. To this day I continue to wrestle with this.
There has to be more to this story…maybe the assailant and victim knew each other? I walk my dogs in the area around the school around 7:30 p.m. often. We even cut through from the parking lot on the east side to the north side to get to westover. I’ve never seen any unusual activity or loitering. In fact, there are often people with dogs on the soccer field.
@Gardener, “all guns everywhere should be banned”
I seriously hope you’re kidding. The problematic guns are the ones in the hands of criminals. These guns are not legally owned in the first place. Will a ban on guns stop criminals from possessing them? Did the prohibition stop people from running booze? Do laws against marijuana keep people from getting stoned?
I’m sorry, I’m fine with someone having an opinion that’s different from mine but, I need them to have used some level of logic to reach said opinion. Get a clue please.
Lest I be lumped in with the true racists here, let me repost select passages from my previous posts at 69 and 72:
“The problem is that in our little Claycord community here that doesn’t happen near as often.”
“if talking about the fact that the preponderance of crimes reported on this website are perpetrated by non-whites makes me a racist, then unfortunately I’m guilty as charged.”
“And if the Mayor is not reporting any crimes against non-whites, then he is guilty as charged. I don’t believe that is the case.”
“In other more urban communities I have no doubt that there are plenty of crimes committed by white criminals against non-whites”
“The fact of the matter is that this website focuses on a relatively small geographical area, and as such it is likely that crime reporting might seem skewed in a racist manner.”
Thanks JWB for the national statistics. I don’t believe they are representative of the small sample of society that is represented in the reporting on Claycord. If you have a similar set of crime statistics that is limited to the Claycord area, please post it. My posts were in response to Jay at #60 who made a blanket characterization of every poster who pointed out the frequency of violent crimes perpetrated by non-whites in this small geographical area. I don’t know how I could have been more clear. If you want to hang a racist, please see post #23 in the thread about the shooting in The Crossings.
Always Right, you are, well- right. The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting, which the statistics are derived from records any crime committed by Hispanics in the ‘White” category, as there is no Hispanic race category. There are currently only four race categories, with one being American Indian. Not sure what they’re thinking by leaving it like this, but I can guess politics may have something to do with it.
Sounds like a set up to me. Trust nobody! And banning guns is not the answer and will do nothing to stop criminals from committing crimes. If anything it will put more power in there hands. Hope the victim isn’t somebody I know but regardless of whether it is I not I pray he can pull through and make it.
@Nick #144:
I struggle with the same scenario. I have kids of the age that would probably be considered most at risk for an in-home accident. So how do I secure a handgun in such a way that my children can’t get to it, but I can access it quickly in a crisis? Are there gun safes that can be accessed by thumbprint? And if so, can I afford one without mortgaging the house?
@CJ, I’m a geek so I was thinking RFID chip embedded in my arm rather than thumbprint but, other than that, my thoughts exactly.
I’m sick and tired of hearing about low morale @ the Pleasant Hill police department. Well BOO HOO. Morale is down everywhere. Why should we have more sympathy for employees and officers of the PHPD? They’re rewarded with very good pay and great benefits. Stop your damn whining. If you or they don’t like the job then move on to the private sector. Only then will you get a real taste of low morale, low pay and declining benefit packages. Until then, stop whining and suck it up.
Well, “Racist Dinosaur” ….
Read the CC Times for our local area. Robberies…MOST all are Black or Hispanic….hoodies. Recent bank robber photo..Black young man about 20 or so….rash of robberies just reported….suspects Black and Hispanic. And on and on. Look at Oakland…or Richmond…who’s killing who? The number one cause of death (tragic) of young Black Americans are by Blacks.
I believe it is the breakdown of the home, the lack of a FATHER in the home (studies prove this), and the society/economy/cultural differences.
I also suspect there is a fundamental problem with the ingrained “mind set” in the Black Community. How many years have Blacks been told they are less than everyone else (not by Whites, but by the Jessies’, Maxine’s, Al’s, and Jeramiah’s)? What kind of pride and self worth does ANY group develop who has had “welfare” entitlements, food stamps, etc. HANDED to them? Momma’s who are virtual baby making machines because they get lots of money in support for every child..and then they get support, day care, etc, etc.
The change HAS to come from within the Black Community, and to break from the mind set… which is killing our society.
@ Always Right. First these were not my numbers, these were the numbers provided by the F.B.I. and my posting was actually in response to poster #114 who stated:
Thud February 19, 2012 at 3:37 pm
There are statistics breaking down crime by race available from the F.B.I. they confirm what many people fear and believe, sad but true.
It seems that the F.B.I. does not provide a breakdown between White-Non Hispanics and Whites. Which just shows how people seem to support their racially based fears and believes by alleged government statistics which actually do not exist.
In addition I think the question of race being a major factor for the commitment of crimes is too complex by simply comparing arrests between different races. One would certainly consider other criteria and would have to match the different race groups by other, additional factors such as for example socioeconomic factors or education.
Steve@142
Wow, such hostility. What exactly scares you? Out of all these posts, you’re scared that i mention what, Jesus? Don’t go and get your yoga pants all in a bunch. We’ll see how it all plays out. Your ignorance is keeping you in a beautiful state of bliss. ‘Nuff said.
@Willie- I don’t dispute that the department is having serious issues. I know several people there that want out due to the issues but that has nothing to do with crime, only response to it if at all. Are you implying people in the department itself are creating crime? That would be a great book or movie.
Sure it’s possible for officers to boost stats to add to the numbers which may or not show positive in their argument they are understaffed and under paid, but to imply they are somehow are creating crime for that purpose is comical if not a bit delusional.
I do agree this has nothing to do with race.
@ JWB #131
You neglect to mention that only 6% of the population is black males.
So, by your own statistics, black males account for a number of crimes wildly disproportionate to their representation in the population.
After reading all 156 comments, no one seems to mention that this WAS a drug deal gone bad. No city is immune to that anymore.
@158- My point exactly.
@Former PH resident; And where do you see this fact?
@Mik, I didn’t see it anywhere. I know from folks that were there. The PHPD just hasn’t released any info yet.
@ Diggles, you were absolutely correct.
@Hap….creating crime? Who suggested that. What I’m saying is that when the protectors of a city have low morale then high crime is what you get. It’s unlike the private sector like others suggest. I could care less if the salesman at Best Buy or the Apple Executive has low morale. People don’t lose sleep at night because of that. But we do lose sleep when our safety is at stake. People think that police officers are only police officers and don’t have brothers, sisters, children and parents who are out of work. “Quit whining Willie” is one of those people who think that. Good for him or her. Everyone think that those cops or city employees were just handed jobs that made them rich. Those cops all have college degree and earned their jobs through testing with hundreds of others. Nothing was given to them. And NONE of them are rich from city jobs. Look at any city website and you can see it for yourselves. City employees keep your cities what they are. You get what you pay for.
Can everybody just shut the hell up about ratings, and percents, and how PHill is turning to shit? If any of you ACTUALLY CARED, you would be asking how the victim is, or sending your prayers to the family. Inconsiterate people.
I think it is funny P.Hill brats trying to run with the tough guys.Here is the deal, the kids that got robbed and shot are your typical coddled upper middle class kids with not one ounce of street smarts in them. Out there trying to act like hustlers either selling some weed or trying to buy. Thinking they can handle themselves.” Hey, I got your back Bro”
They were dealing with some guys “Not from around here”. The PHill kids lack the street smarts to know not to deal with outsiders , blacks, or when a deal is going bad. I can picture it now the Phill kids talking amongst themselves. “These guys are cool, their from Pittsburg they are kinda hard so act cool”.
The kid that got shot probably tried to put up a little struggle while getting his $ and weed stolen while his friends stood and watched in awe.
Street smarts, can’t buy it at 7-11.
JT, I had to chuckle at your comment, I agree with you.
Reality check: teeenagers don’t go to parks at night to play on the swing sets. The park where the incident took place has always been a popular place for teenagers to party. I have picked up broken beer bottles from that playground for years in order to make it safe for kids to play. It’s a small park tucked away in a residential neighborhood with no through street access. Clearly the victims and assailants knew to meet each other there. There is nothing random about this incident. I pray the young man who was shot survives and that he and his friends have a wake-up call that getting involved in drugs can cost you your life.
Palermo,
Its the truth these P.Hill /WC/Laf. kids have no street smarts what so ever. 15 years ago when my crew was running around P.Hill ,doing are thing we never dealt with any outsiders we didn’t have an edge on.
These kids think they are big time because they buy weed from guys “Over the Hill”. What they don’t know is how the impoversed the guys over the hill were raised and don’t think twice about using a fist or pistol because thats their enviroment.
These coddled babies are driving up in Moms Lexus with a pocket of cash. They are sitting ducks.
I do hope the kid that took the lead ends up allright, but its a lesson to these kids to stay with their own.
this was just retaliation from the mike jone’s shooting…..bh on mommas
Mayor,
Is there any update on the mans condition? Hope he will make it.
@Elwood #157 … once again for you. The summary of the data I presented in #131 was cut and paste from the F.B.I. website, thus complain to them not me.
Aside from that I don’t see any mention of males in the F.B.I. statistics which simply list the distribution among four different races. If your assumption is that only males commit crimes than you should give us the representation of black among the male population. Otherwise your bias is showing.
But again I do think simply comparing statistics is not sufficient to answer a complex question since there must be more than one factor influencing the result. One would have to match the different racial groups by other criteria such as for example income and/or education etc and absent this you can’t make a conclusion one way or the other.
@JWB
Elwood has a legitimate point. There’s nothing wrong with the FBI statistics. But, you have to also know the percentage of the specific groups to the total population if you are going to draw any conclusion about the statistical correlation between race or ethnicity and crime. A valid regression analysis would also look at the significance of other variables such as education, income level, age, gender and other factors.
Naive parents seems to lead to naive kids. Talk to your kids and don’t assume that any city is above drugs and crime. There is not one city in all the 9 bay area counties that does not have some level of drug abuse.
@JWB #171
What part of black males make up only 6% of the US population do you not understand?
It seems pretty simple to me.
And any fool (with the possible exception of you) knows that males commit the vast majority of crimes, particularly crimes of violence (murder, assault, rape, armed robbery etc.)
DEFINITION:
Delusional = JWB
To discriminate based on race is wrong, but facts are facts.
Face the facts JWB. Or you can simply choose to continue deluding yourself.
You sound like someone who must remove your shoes and pants to count to 21.
@jwb Thanks for proving my point, the percentage of crimes commited by the black population is huge compared to their population size and if you factor in hispanics then the picture becomes worse. Being selective with the crimes only makes matters worse as crimes such as murder and rape (considered by most to be the crimes of most concern) are almost solely the preserve of non whites. Facts and numbers are just what they are…non judgemental.
@ Marantha 139, 155
I’m not sure I can read the other guy’s mind, but it may possibly be the fact that you seem to be implying that gun control will lead to our version of the night of broken glass, and that it’s already started. Then you somehow connect it to yoga… You make leaps in logic that are completely asinine, make connections where there are none, and yet you attempt to use history in a completely illogical manner to prove your point and call people ignorant. I would venture to say he is afraid that more people are just as delusional. I personally found myself debating whether it was psychotic, or overdone satire.
If this is real, I’d urge you to not only read, but intelligently interpret those same histories you speak of. If this is satire, it’s pretty funny.
Elwood I see there is no point in trying to explain math to you. You obviously do not have the ability or the will to understand that percentage of population is not the same as percentage of arrests.
Thud glad you are happy … By the way the biggest concern in this area probably is drunk driving, but hey I understand you will be happy that at least it was a White drunk driver who killed your kid.
anonx sure whatever you say. BTW you sould familiarize yourself a little bit with statistics it might help you to understand the world around you a little bit better. Here is a delightful article written about the statistical proof that storks indeed to deliver babies.
http://www.uni-marburg.de/fb21/motologie/mitarbeiter_seiten/ls/storks.pdf
@jwb #178
“percentage of population is not the same as percentage of arrests.”
What I do understand is that a very small percentage of the population is responsible for a very large percentage of arrests.
What part of that don’t you understand?
all this dispute! i am appalled by all the hate and argument on this post about a young man WHO HAS BEEN SHOT IN THE CHEST AND IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION. doesn’t anyone care if he is alive or not? Why do you continue to argue with others …to try and change their minds…to impose your opinions on others that will read it ..& either argue back still not caring or shrug it off as well. nobody will change their minds just because you call them uneducated and push what you think is right on them through and angry comment.Seriously some people have enough time to sit and time ridicule about grammar???that has absolutely nothing to do with this young mans fate and health! Its plain ridiculous how almost everyone commenting on here has no interest on how the victim is doing. Rather than choosing to do some research on his condition and comment back to the concerned questions about this young man…they are left unanswered and instead there are statistics being researched and posted on an original post that is about a young man shot in The chest! who again IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION.
Adults, stop your bickering about racism,guns, statistics that are JUST statistics..do you honestly think that every single person is included when the stats are tallied up?be realistic. watch your children & all family members,keep in contact with your friends, care for them all, love them to the fullest while you have the hours. No one is promised another day. Anyone could die tonight or tomorrow. so why waste your time to argue and judge others you do not know. focus on your loved ones and cherish each moment you have with them. is it really worth the valuable moment in each one of your lives to bicker on the internet instead of hug a loved one, is it worth it to spend that time being mad at something you could get over in a week or day if that loved one who made a minute mistake dies tomorrow,when you could have said im sorry or explained how you felt by the action just to mend the situation . CARPE DIEM -think about it.
**if anyone knows if the young man is still alive or has passed, please post**
As far as we know, the 20 year old is still in critical condition.
There’s a difference between not caring and not feeling the need to ask a question that’s been asked at least 10 times already with no update. I could use your same logic to ask you why you don’t care about preventing gun related violence. You didn’t mention it in your post… If debating gun control after a shooting isn’t pertinent I don’t know when it is.
@Just FACTS in the Paper and News – you get the prize for the best post on this thread. You are absolutely right. The problem is not with black males per se – the problem is boys being raised by mothers without the dad in the home.
Before LBJ gave us his Great Society fiasco, 85% of BLACK families included a mom and a dad. Right now, the numbers are almost completely reversed with single moms raising 80% of all black children. The number has gone up for white and hispanic families too.
If you do a survey of prison inmates convicted of violent crimes, 90% of them come from broken homes. Race is not the issue. The issue is liberal policies that continue to devalue traditional marriage.
@ Wow..
I’m sure that everyone is for preventing gun violence.
But gun control isn’t the answer.
You got it Always Right the problem is liberal policies that continue to devalue traditional marriage but luckily your man Newt is working very hard to increase the value of traditional marriage one wife at the time.
@JWB – Newt is not the best example to use. Romney and Santorum are better role models of what it means to be a husband and a father. Obama and Bush get credit on that score too.
@ fromn concerned friends
I’m sure he’s no saint
Pittsburg is safer and we got a lot of races. Racist idiots don’t think before they speak.
Like one of the above-posters, I agree that there are good and bad people of all races, genders, sizes and religions. We need more safe places for youngsters to go with good role models and wholesome activities.
Pleasant Hill had a fabulous “rec center” when I was a teen – with pool and ping-pong tables, games, etc. – I don’t remember any fights.
I am honestly sorry to hear this happened. My thoughts and prayers are with the victim and his family and friends.
I hope they are able to find the people that did this so that they do not have the opportunity to attack anyone else.
Pittsburg is safer because unless you’re a drug abuser there is nothing to steal.
@JWB
You do realize that statistically Republicans divorce more than Democrats? There has been a lot of media attention on the fact that marriages between educated liberal “elites” are much less likely to end in divorce than marriages between less educated conservatives.
@diggles
Please post a link to the statistics you reference. Right off the top, it appears something isn’t right. A proper statistical study would compare Democrats to Republicans with the same socio-economic background, level of education, etc. You are comparing “educated liberal ‘elites’” with “less educated” conservatives. Perhaps level of education is the determining factor and not party affiliation.
#191 Remove the spousal privilege regarding testimony and see what happens.
@Connie Dobbs
That’s an interesting proposal. I wonder if the conviction rate for caucasians would go up since they are more likely to have spouses who would then be required to testify against them.
Really? Because making this thread about politics wasn’t getting you off so you have to bring race into the mix? Class all the way.
Anyone know who the victm is?
ANYONE with status on the 20 year old victim?
Or has a name been released?
And, PLEASE realize a single targeted murder and then an attempted murder during a suspected drug deal gone awry; do not make our PRECIOUS Pleasant Hill any less safe.
I for one am HAPPY these crimes were not against uninvolved law abiding Pleasant Hill citizens.
Since we are winging hair brained ideas about!!!!
Here is mine.
Ultimately we are all safer as the criminals willfully eliminate one another. Dead men commit no crimes.
We donate 1000′s of rounds of ammo and use of firearms to a new event:
Convicted Felon only invitational shootout!!!!!
Choose: Wild West or Urban Ghetto. (Meth trailer Park coming soon)
WINNER GETS Lifetime Room and Board!!!!!
Ammo provided, just bring prison ID!!!!!
Tattoos on the neck showing Gang affiliation gets you 25% more AMMO and a free imported Knife!
A brief update in the Contra Costa Times today stated the 20 year old victim is now in stable condition but is not yet able to speak… They are hoping to obtain a statement from him by the end of the week. The article did not release his name.
@Connie Dobbs
Really? You post an unintelligible, unintelligent comment and then you want to criticize someone?
Connie, I believe you may have given someone a headache by making them think a little.
I’m hearing Anthony P. was the victim is this true?
More than likely the first words spoken by the “victim” was “they shot me and took my weed”
@Nick
Sorry, I am always thinking, researching, etc. That’s what happens with intelligent people with MBAs from one of the top ten schools in the U.S. Maybe you should try it.
Pardon me Anon2 but, your overcompensation is showing.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I lived in Pleasant Hill for 10 years now in the same house behind Stanwood. I love Pleasant Hill, always had respect for the Police Department up until now. I have been waiting for a composite sketch or more information on the crime and what to look out for, the day that this happened no one came to my door to ask what I saw, I know I am not only one thinking, maybe I did see something and don’t know it. Our little Gregory Gardens community is tightly knitted and we recognize when people don’t belong, or a new car is driving down our street. My son asked me yesterday it was his first day back to school, “mom do they know what the bad people look like so I know to stay away” My reply is just be aware of what is around you. This incident was very real and very scary it could have been anyone of us. Please if anyone else feels this way lets do something abut it. The PH police department needs to step up their game and help the community help them.
@ Nick-
There are critical thinkers and non-thinkers who are critical. I guess you’re the latter.
@Anon2-
You should take your supreme intelligence over to the politics thread where all the “enlightened” folk are. Better yet, try another blog. Asshat.
@Anon2, if you are a “critical thinker” you shouldn’t have had any problem understanding Connie’s comment that started this whole discussion. The fact is, you feel the need to basically name-drop your level of education, which tells me that a piece of paper is all you have to make yourself feel intelligent. You seem to think you’re always the smartest one in the room while, in reality, your MBA isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
You would be wise not to assume that you are more intelligent or educated than another, simply because you put your accomplishments on a bigger billboard than they do.
Dammit CJ. Don’t steal my thunder while I’m still typing.
Sorry Nick!
I also have an advanced degree (that I paid for myself) and I can’t stand people who believe that said degree somehow bestows advanced intelligence. All it really means is an ability to work hard and have good study habits.
@Nick
Whaaah – I’m sorry you didn’t get to go to college.
@CJ – What online university did you purchase your degree from?
@CJ, what? No trust fund? Haha
I couldn’t agree more with everything you just said. Of course considering that I don’t yet have a degree, some folks won’t value my opinion. Oh well. I can just play the jester in the meantime.
Wow, Anon2, you are absolutely adorable. Keep a tight grip on that thread you’re hanging from. Don’t let anyone try to tell you that you aren’t better than them. Have a great week buddy.
And BH has no involvement in these shootings I want people to understand that it doesn’t exist anymore so don’t blame BH please
@Anon2-
Sorry to inform you I’m from the old school where you worked full time, or nearly full time, and completed classes as quickly as you could while your life was going on around you. You know, before the time of entitlements and participation trophies to make sure everyone feels special.
As wonderful of an accomplishment as it is to obtain a degree and masters/phds as myself and many of my close friends have done (all from top ranking universities… my best friends are just finishing at the USC School of Medicine and The Berkeley Law Program, mine was just a masters from UCSB, not sure if those are good enough schools for you Anon) we all joke that just because we are all book smart it doesn’t make us street smart or educated enough to intelligently argue about statistics regarding violence and or other controversial topics that we have not fully researched or seen first hand. We all have opinions but are intelligent enough to know that just because we have an education it doesn’t make as any smarter then those around us.
And, usually, unless on an interview or amongst colleagues, it is considered very tacky to name drop what school you went to or degrees you have obtained. It isnt necessary for someone to know I have an education for them to take me seriously. I wouldnt have even thought to disclose my education on here as it doesn’t pertain to the comments above but didn’t want you to try and discredit/belittle my comment by assuming you are of higher inte
Oops, darn iPad, bumped the submit button before finishing my sentence.
Anyway, @ Anon. It is someone with little intelligence that would assume they are of higher intelligence just because you have a degree. It’s just another form of discrimination.
To (#205)-P Hill Mom,
Check out Pleasant Hill Police action and lack of in this story. juryuninformed.blogspot.com
#218 WOW!
wow. enough with the right to bear arms crap. thats fighting fire with fire and just puts more guns on the street. Why have a gun if it wont be used? That goes for both the bad guys and the victims. Solve the problem by the roots
I am going to through something out there, I don’t agree with the gun thing. If the Victim had a gun more people would have been hurt. Strictly speculation and my opinion.
I personally think that we need to educate our kids more, a drug deal in the park that is secluded and not well lit or populated. I have two grown children 22 and 18 and I never allowed them to go there. My son years ago had a gun showed to him in PLEASANT HILL PARK my son used his street smarts and ran into the middle of the baseball field and asked for help. The point is talk to your kids, we don’t live in a bubble, this a real world and this shit is happening NOW! We can’t count on the PHPD they can’t be everywhere. Imagine the guilt that the 3 teenagers have.
Good for you, teaching your kids to make their drug deals in well-lit public places. But you’re the one who’s living in a bubble if you think your kids never went anywhere or did anything you didn’t allow them to.
And your kid’s tactic of running away and asking a grownup for help wouldn’t have been terribly effective if somebody had wanted to shoot him with that big, scary gun, instead of just showing it to him.
Wow, your something else to write that: Against my better judgement I am not going to bother writing you back. Thank you for your opinion, I will consider the source.
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