The Lines in the Skies of Claycord – Chemtrails or Contrails?

January 18, 2012 8:00 am · 156 comments

The lines in the skies of Claycord have been showing up for several weeks now, and when they’re here, they usually don’t go away for several hours.

Many theories exist as to what they are. Some think they’re “chemtrails”, and others believe they are “contrails”.

Either way, they’re there, and we know this’ll make for an interesting discussion.

What’s your opinion on these lines in the sky? Do you believe they are chemtrails or contrails?

To learn more about Chemtrails & Contrails, click ON THIS LINK.

note: the photo was taken in Claycord on Tuesday afternoon.

1 Chuckie January 18, 2012 at 8:29 AM

For those of you who believe these are ‘chemtrails’ wear an extra layer of tin foil today!

2 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 8:37 AM

LOL, I don’t know how anyone can deny the existence of chemtrails. There has been several congressman against it, for example Dennis Kucinich in HR 2977, section 7 (b).
Not to mention the whole commodities exchange mentioning it as well:
http://tinyurl.com/7lpwkvc
Mt Diablo:
http://imageshack.us/f/860/january142012.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/163/sadmtdiablo.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/502/contrailchemtrail3.jpg/

So whether they want to call it Geoengineering or weather modification – it doesn’t matter – They are not God and need to stop trying to be. Contrails dissipate rather quick, not ruin the sky for the whole freakin’ day from a plane that flew over 7 hours earlier!
WHERE’S THE BAAQMD ON ALL OF THIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K9rXydMmfw

3 PB January 18, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Theses are Chemtrails!
CONtrails are jet engine exhaust that freeze in the upper atmosphere forming visible ice crystals. They shortly after,melt and disappear. Also, they occur in regular flight paths of airliner traffic.

CHEMtrails on the other hand, are sprayed chemical compounds. They do not always occur(as does regular flight traffic), and are commonly layed out in criss _cross grid patterns. The spray then slowly spreads out forming a haze that lasts for many hours, or even all day.The resulting haze mucks up the sky. The chemtrails are usually NOT sprayed in air traffic lanes, but over large areas of open sky. If you see them, pay attention to how they turn a nice clear sky, into a hazy mess.
There are many theories as to their purpose, components, or safety, so do some research and decide for yourself. One thing is for sure, we’re all breathing that crap in, as well as consuming it when it rains down into the water and food supply!

4 anon January 18, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I believe they are chemtrails! Several years past I noticed every Sunday they would appear….yes, every Sunday. At an outdoor family function….on a Sunday…..I mentioned that we would soon be seeing these trails. They just shook their heads and thought I was nuts. Well low and behold a while later they began appearing. AND THEY WERE STILL NON-BELIEVERS!

5 Cowellian January 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Kucinich needs extra-heavy duty tinfoil for his hat.

6 spacement January 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM

@1

Could the “chemtrails” be the result of cloud seeding? If they seed clouds, who knows what else is being spread through the air?

http://www.nawcinc.com/wmfaq.html

7 inmotion January 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Google ‘What in the world are they spraying?’.

8 John Fitzgerld (Congressional Candidate, CA. D-11) January 18, 2012 at 9:18 AM

What you see in the picture is called geo-engineering (weather modification programs). The Military is involved in these programs. They confirm that these flights are referred to as intra flights and are not normal commercial routes in regards to domestic or international flights. If you want to educate yourself on this issue visit my website at:

1. http://johnfitzgeraldforcongress.com/ (look at weather modification presentation)

2. http://aircrap.org/spraying-san-francisco-exposing-geo-engineers/333677/ (I confront the geo-engineers)

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA (Very informative and revealing documentary on geo-engineering/weather modification)

This issue is very real and is impacting all of us on a daily basis. Shasta County is being inundated with these programs and the soil, snow, and water show up to 367 times greater than the allowable exposure to aluminum which is detrimental to human health. Barium and other metals are also being found at alarming rates. The CDC shows that up to 52% of Shasta residents have visited a medical facility in the last year or so for breathing disorders or other health related/respiratory issues. The government used to test for aluminum in the air up until 1999. Independent researchers have conducted their own tests and are finding the amounts are steadily increasing. Please do your own research. Our children’s future depends on it.

9 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Definitely Chemtrails. Anyone who disagrees are simply uninformed sheeple. That is how they want it! A great site and place to start for education is californiaskywatch.com. There is a huge amount of scientific documentation on this site. I have been trying to get the word out for a long time as I have seen the difference between Contrails and Chemtrails for quite some time now. Thank You Mr Mayor and the rest of you bringing this out for the nay-sayers. Aluminum, Barium and Strontium (all toxic to humans, animals, etc.) are just the tip of the iceberg as to what they consist of, starting as the premise of weather modification experiments in the 50’s. Now, they are admittedly saying it is to combat global warming by having the Aluminum reflect the sun rays back into space. BS. Monsanto is only one of the HUGE investors in this crime against humanity ALREADY having patents on seeds that will grow in Aluminum polluted soil (check out the Monsanto site for their patents) that is quickly rising to the toxic stage as evidenced by how many trees are dying a premature slow death. FOLLOW THE MONEY! Google “What in the world are they spraying?” This is a great, short concise documentary that addresses the issue very well. To all of you that ARE informed, PLEASE try to educate all of your family and friends BEFORE it is too late!! This needs to stop NOW!!! Knowledge is POWER! Do your research– Your loved ones depend on it. Peace

10 J January 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Is that an actual picture taken in Claycord?

11 Pucky January 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

They are Chemtrails; And it’s all Bush’s fault!!!

12 CLAYCORD.com January 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

J, yes, it was taken in Claycord yesterday.

Mayor

13 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

OH Yeah– I called the BAAQMD and they deny it and will do nothing about it. How blatant and in your face does it have to get before they ask the question and say there may be a problem here? Maybe that is why there are SO MANY “spare the air” days– maybe it is not good for the chemtrail spray days desired results when you use your fireplace? HMMM Are they not funded by tax payer dollars? Why should we have to do their research when all they REALLY have to do is go outside their cozy offices and look up? I can’t understand why ANYONE would not AT LEAST question it when they see it. What do they REALLY do in their offices to catch polluters???

14 DrDuran January 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Chemtrails are a figment of a deranged imagination, as with all conspiracy “theories” there would have to be so many people in on it that it would fall apart just from a few of them talking!

15 Ricardoh January 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Contrails will evaporate unless they are in a freezing atmosphere and they will stay around if there are no upper atmosphere winds.

16 Lonewolf January 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Oh yeah they are chemtrails for sure. This is another reason why our weather patterns have changed so dramatically over the years. (Hmm ever wonder why there’s no rain this year?) And another reason why there is so much cancer. This should be one of the many topic we need to bring to the forefront. Crap like how much money Romney makes (etc) is just a diversion on the real issues we SHOULD be discussing. Wake up America!!!

17 Randall Clague January 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

The primary ingredient in “chemtrails” is the chemical dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO). DHMO is the major component of acid rain. DMHO inhalation kills 4000 Americans every year. The US Navy is even investigating military applications of DHMO.

18 Lime Ridge January 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Hey PB and TinFoiler, if you go down to the bus station and find that guy who is yelling at the trash cans about the government has planted radios in his teet and you ask him “Excuse me, Sir, are you crazier than a shithouse rat?”, he will respond “No.”

19 inmotion January 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Hey non-believers go to You Tube and look up ‘Project Cloverleaf’

20 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

@ John Fitzgerald Excellent post. It is beyond me the amount of people that are too lazy to get out of their comfort zone, do the research and admit that it is real! Some people ur, sheeple, just want to live in blissful ignorance!
@ Randall Clague As with your previous post and now the one about DHMO, You make it so obvious that you have NO clue what so ever about what you are talking about and again I strongly advise you visit your health care practitioner as you surely suffer from a severe case of cranial rectosis much worse than previously thought– DHMO chemical compound equals common WATER!!! GO away!!!

21 Nick January 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

@ lime ridge, I’m not yelling at the trash cans. I’m yelling at the government agents hiding inside them watching me. What kind of nut yells at a trash can?

22 CJ January 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Awww Jim – you ruined all the fun!

23 Lime Ridge January 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Quick survey for the chemtrail conspiracy theorists:

1. Are you a member of the “tea-party”?

2. Do you think that the baby Jesus decides who wins football games?

3. You apparently believe the government has successfully operated and concealed a massive chemical spraying operation for decades. Can you name anything else the government has successfully done for decades?

24 Nick January 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM

@ Jim Cantando, I guess Randall did get one part right. Water is technically a major component of acid rain. LOL

25 Nick January 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Oh, and I suppose inhaling it is in fact deadly.

26 Lime Ridge January 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

@Nick – well since you put it that way, I see your point.

27 Antler January 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM

My husband is a retired commercial airline captain. I clicked on the photograph to enlarge it and asked him to “look at it carefully because I need to ask you two questions about it”.

First question: “What type of clouds are those?”
Immediate answer: “Cirronimbulus…..extremely cold up there.”

Second question: “Are those CON-trails, or are those CHEM-trails?”
Immediate and emphatic answer: “CON-trails.”

All of you can see that the trails are at various stages of dissipation. We are criss-crossed by numerous, normal commercial flight paths here in Claycord, plus we also are near Travis and Buchannan. Air traffic can be diverted to this area because of severe weather elsewhere (conditions in some of the states north of us have caused some air fields there to shut down today, for instance). And a slew of air traffic for ANY reason can send craft into the normal holding pattern over Claycord zone. So just remember that in cold weather it takes the con-trails a LOT longer to disperse. That said, there are “ugly” chemicals in jet fuel exhaust.

But if you fear otherwise, especially if you feel something unauthorized is being done, definitely you should continue trying to prove who is doing it and why. I personally do not think you are kooks for being concerned. After all, I’m the one who made friends with the captain of the Russian oil tanker which was trying to break its way across my backyard birdbath yesterday. (And, by the way, the “Aleve Jardon?” he kept repeating…….that’s “Olive Garden” with a Russian accent. And didn’t ANY of you CATCH that???? I’ve even built a barricade around the computer in case you started groaning and throwing rocks!!! Well, I think jtkatec caught on, but she was way nice.)

28 midge hammmer January 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

contrail = condensation = moisture = cloud. I’ve seen a cloud or two hang around for a while in my time. I have actually had good times standing under contrails. I want more.

29 Kirkwood January 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM

@Randall Clague #17

Dihydrogen monoxide! Excellent post! Love it! :-)

30 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Well as for proving it, you can see by the comments what we are up against. Antler, where are the photos from the 60’s or 70’s of our skies looking like they do today. There are none because IT’S GEOENGINEERING.
Lawmakers themselves HAVE ADMITTED that no studies have been done on the Long TERM EFFECTS to health regarding what’s being sprayed. Do you not care about your childrens or grandchildrens future???
As for Lime Ridges stereotype: NO, I don’t agree with your close minded synopsis.
But hey, I’ll play. You probably also believe the magic bullet that took out Kennedy theory.
You’re like Neo wishing he would have taken the Blue pill, because you couldn’t handle the truth if your little Matrix hologram was really different than it appeared.
MAYOR, STOP DELETING MY COMMENTS

31 Rouge Warrior January 18, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Area 51 …that’s all.

32 CLAYCORD.com January 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM

@TinFoiler, I HAVEN’T DELETED ANY COMMENTS!!

33 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Well then Zoom in on my 3rd pic and you’ll see a CONTRAIL WITHIN A CHEMTRAIL http://imageshack.us/f/502/contrailchemtrail3.jpg/

If you can’t see this, there’s no hope.

34 Lime Ridge January 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM

c’mon TinFoiler, three little questions:

1. Are you a member of the “tea-party”?

2. Do you think that the baby Jesus decides who wins football games?

3. You apparently believe the government has successfully operated and concealed a massive chemical spraying operation for decades. Can you name anything else the government has successfully done for decades?

35 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM

@ Nick Yes, Randall is technically correct and his statements in his second post are technically true, but, we do not need sheeple dirtying the waters with their inept knowledge of the facts. I thought about acknowledging that to his post after I hit the submit button. ;o)> This really is serious and when the SHTF, the nay sayers will recall their ignorant boasts and feel like the true ignoramuses they are. I was in the USAF and know VERY WELL about contrails and how they act. Contrails still are present and I witnessed them as well as chemtrails at the same time in our sky a few days ago. As contrails can last for some time in the air, they DO NOT hang and spread out as chemtrails do looking almost like natural whispy cloud cover. The differences between the two are very distinct.To NOT do the research of this is so disturbing and such a real injustice to the families and friends of those whom deny their existence… the gubmnt IS admitting this IS happening– I guess these folks won’t listen either. You know the old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink– I suppose the horse will die!

36 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 11:19 AM

@Tinfoiler EXCELLENT post # 30 ! Funny how people do not realize how different our skies look now than they did when we were kids– I NEVER saw grid patterns like we have now and the trail ALWAYS ALWAYS disappeared behind the jets in minutes. BTW… is that your picture at the top for the post heading?

37 Nick January 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Sorry Jim, I forgot that fun and humor are no longer allowed here on claycord. My mistake. It won’t happen again.

38 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Thanks Jim, I’ve been actively photographing the skies for 3 years. Been photographing landscapes since 1983.

Lime Ridge, Judging by the comments – I would say the government was very successful at dumbing down the public through the government school system. You forgot to mention Fluoride, Mercury vaccines, MSG, Aspartame, BPA, and rBGH all waste products for the sheeple to consume.
NDAA passed, so you’ll probably also end up in the FEMA camps for posting on this topic.

39 mr. C January 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

O.K. Harp is what we are dealing with,its a tesla patent puchased by john eastman now funded and operating under the D A R P A special projects budget so let it go folks its in our national interest no sarcasm intended they are real they are there! and they are us .

40 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

@ lime ridge
1.Are you a member of the “tea-party”?
No, Ron Paul 2012, I’d like to have my Bill of Rights and Constitution back where it belongs, Thanks You!
2. Do you think that the baby Jesus decides who wins football games?
Really??? Do you???
3. You apparently believe the government has successfully operated and concealed a massive chemical spraying operation for decades. Can you name anything else the government has successfully done for decades?
I believe it and know it! I have done a lot of research on this, the government has finally admitted it is happening, I guess some folks just need an engraved invitation? Or what will it take before you finally admit it is happening? Do you REALLY think our government has our best interests in mind??? And to finish your question–
1. Look at how stupid so many of our young people are that have “graduated” from high school– NO child left behind–
2. Fluoride in our water supply– check that one out
3. Control of the media and what you truly THINK you know from “mainstream” network news
4. Using our fine military personnel as guinea pigs for many many decades– SHAMEFUL
5. Invade other countries flexing our military muscle in the name of “Peace” when we should just but the hell out and leave them alone. MOST nations of the world HATE us because of what OUR government has done to them. We are and have been the big bullies of the world, but that soon will change, we need to recognize the problems of our own country and do what it take to correct them, not waste our resources on the rest of the world that despise us and would rather us dead than alive
The list is WAY too long for me to continue on that one…

41 mr. C January 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM

dearest tinfoiler talking about NDAA may well get you ajudicated tho it is a good subject for the people to discuss due to the specific internal dimensions of the policy

42 Lime Ridge January 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Almost there, TIn Foiler:

1. Are you a member of the “tea-party”?

2. Do you think that the baby Jesus decides who wins football games?

43 These are actually residue from January 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM

anal lubricant being burned off by alien space vehicles prior to departing for home after a probing session.

44 Subterfuge January 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

There’s no end to the amount of bull shit some people will believe. If you believe these are chemtrails, please sell your TV before your eyes go Square.

45 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 12:02 PM

@ Nick Not at all Nick– it is all good! Randall just kinda rubbed me wrong from his initial ignorant post and I was still caught up in the moment on the next one he put up I guess ;o)>

46 Chuckie January 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM

@17

LOL- I know that a number of municalities have outlawed that chemical due to the high death rate directly tied to human exposure.

For the TIN HAT crowd, Dihydro Monoxide is Water. Take your meds and shut up.

47 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

@ Tinfoiler so is that Claycord picture at the top that started these posts yours??

48 I'm The Urban Spaceman January 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

“Antler, where are the photos from the 60′s or 70′s of our skies looking like they do today.”

The air is a lot cleaner now than in the 60’s. The smog would get so bad on a lot of summer days you could not see Mt. Diablo thru the haze.

49 BlueJay January 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Good job of bringing the nuts out of the woodwork Mr Mayor.

Yes, there is a conspiracy in most everything. If we don’t understand ot or if it is a little different it must be a conspiracy. Or maybe it is a religion. Between conspiracy theories and religous theories most everything in the world can be “explained”.

And, yes the skies did look different whgen you were a kid. Maybe because there were no jets back then. Duh!!

BTW, the Solano drive in is a home site for alien space craft. Notice how it was purposely built at the intersection of off center roads and the freeway exit was placed by the government to facilitate a quick take off or landing of intergalactical craft.

And I think Elvis lives beneath the consession stand. Talk about “sheeple”, how about the conspiracy sheeple?

Get a life. Remember that anything the government is spraying that will affect you and your grandchildren will also affect their children and grandchildren. I guess the government conspirators don’t care about their future either.

50 An Armed Liberal January 18, 2012 at 12:36 PM

This is officially the stupidest thread Claycord has ever has. Seriously, it makes me want to scoop my brain out with a spoon.

51 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Wow, Just WOW. The peer pressure thing is sure working to keep everyone in order.
How do you all like this, a Politician smearing $#!t in your face:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyjnEm8DZkI

It doesn’t get more blatant than that. But hey, it’s easier to mock and label those that don’t fit into your PROGRAMMED world view, that’s right, it’s called TELEVISION PROGRAMMING for a reason and it obviously works like a charm. Why don’t you mock the TOOLS that spend thousands of dollars to watch a pigskin ball being chased around a field if you want to talk about nuts.
Show me photos from the 60’s or 70’s that show all this criss crossing in our skies, post a link – I’ve posted three photos, now you need to step up.

Jim, No the original photo from the post is not mine. The Mayor usually doesn’t touch “Conspiracy Theory”, but I’ll keep posting links on the Talk about Whatever thread.

52 Nick January 18, 2012 at 12:44 PM

@ bluejay, the conspirators all live in bunkers and have the antidote. You didn’t hear it from me. Haha

53 someguy January 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Once the cloud hits the ground you’ll forget all about it. Keep Calm and Carry On.

54 Anonymous January 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM

@ An Armed Liberal,
Actually your brain was scooped and fried long before this thread.

55 John Fitzgerald (Congressional Candidate, CA. D-11) January 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Thank you Tin Foiler, Jim Cantado and all others who have posted the obvious: geo-engineering is real. For others who doubt it do your own analysis/research. It takes courage no doubt. Please wake-up!

The lady who mentioned her husband was a pilot–with all due respect… has he or you looked at the links posted on my web-site and others on this post? Obviously NOT! There is a particular link on Californiaskywatch.com taken from the USAF’s own web-site in 1996 entitled: Owning the Weather by 2025. They (military/government) admit to wanting to control the weather (which they have been working on since atleast WWII) to combat the “enemy” in other regions of the world: extending monsoon seasons, etc., and cultivating/exploiting natural resources throughout the world for the U.S.’s benefit. Wars are very profitable for the powerful few who control this country and many regions of the world.

Also, for those of you who do not believe that the government could cover-up such a large scale effort need I say more than the “Manhattan Project” (30,000 plus people worked on the project without knowing the overall scope/mission). Do your research! The government compartmentalizes black-op programs/projects all the time.

Also, I challenge all of you to look at your family photos/albums taken in the outdoors prior to approx. 1980 and you will notice the skies look very different: deep blue skies with occasional puffy/cumulus clouds, cirrus clouds, etc. Not long (cirrus?), wispy clouds stretching out from horizon to horizon. Why is it that you can have the same temperature, wind variables, etc. throughout the week and on varying days these striations appear? The same amount of flights from commercial airlines are occurring from and to the same destinations but no checkered board skies appear except on certain days! Think about it, please! By the way many of these man-made clouds appear at about 7000 feet (I can give you info. to substantiate this claim) and during the mid-summer months when it is 90 to 100 degrees outside. It is impossible for the temperature to be cold enough for ice crystals to persist let alone spread out.

Once again, I know it takes courage but it also takes a little common sense, curiosity and the time to absorb yourself in credible, well referenced and documented research forums and turn off the manipulation/rhetoric and distraction on television.

56 Mark January 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Mr. Fitzgerald,
Candidate for Congres? And you think they are so called chem trails? We tried the whole stupid for a leader thing with the yahoo from Texas. Didn’t work out too well. Try something else.

They are Contrails. The people who sell you the chemtrails stuff also want to talk about black helicopters.

57 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM

@ bluejay I am not a conspiracy theorist. If you want to talk about Elvis and aliens and not research for yourself and your loved ones what the government is finally admitting IS happening right over our heads, then keep your head buried in the sand and you will have nothing to worry about. There are finally MANY scientists, pilots and people that have had involvement in these projects coming forward with information blowing the whistle, the government finally has had to acknowledge it’s existence. I too have a hard time with the last part of your comment about them and their families. The only thing I can think of is that either they are looking at all the dollars they are spending in the “here and now” from the fine folks at Monsanto and other funders providing kickback lining political pockets, not understanding (or wanting to, like the nay sayers here) the associated health risks of the very chemical agents Aluminum, Barium and Strontium, again the government ADMITS to using in their fight against “Global Warming”. I’m sure many were on board to fight global warming and that was the “save the world” premise sold to them, but now with the health issues arising, many are seeing this was a sham, that they were duped into this idea that they cannot stop this machine without the help of the nation at large demanding this be stopped. Or maybe they do know the risks and are taking the necessary measures to nullify them. Interesting how you can have overwhelming, documented scientific fact, evidence and proof that something in fact exists and some continue to deny. Yet, there is no scientific evidence or proof of God and people strongly believe that with everything they have in Adam and Eve! I hope there is a God, but I’m leaning more toward evolution. I guess that just goes to show what some people will believe no matter how much fact and or fantasy is involved.

58 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 1:24 PM

@ Tinfoiler I just wondered– I have the EXACT picture except there are phone wires in mine
@ Mayor I’m guessing that you must have looked at the info I sent to you on the subject and obviously think there is something to it since you created the post. Thank You so much for trying to bring awareness to this blatant assault on the American people. Always strive for the truth Mr Mayor– Peace

59 Brother C January 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Thanks Mr Mayor, for just pointing out the obvious I just noticed the last few years. when I wash and wax the cars, a day later they have a layer of some substance on them, don’t Know nor claim to know what it is it may that I don’t have sufficient amout of Tin Foil on them.

P.S. Gods likes the Niners

60 nan January 18, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Mr Mayor, great to know you have a solid audience for your next april 1st prank. Brothels on a boat in the delta, chem trails that have anything to do with the baaqmd, the govt successfully running a decades long anything…
My mom once told me great words of wisdom: If it sounds stupid, it probably is.

61 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM

#56 Mark,
You’re spouting off and yet you have Not debunked Any of the websites I posted.
http://weathermodification.com/

62 John Fitzgerald (Congressional Candidate, CA. D-11) January 18, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Mayor,

You should be commended for posting this segment along with the SOPA segment for discussion(s).

Thank you! These issues along with the NDAA Bill just signed By President Obama are extremely important for the public to discuss and to be made aware of.

63 Carol Taylor January 18, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I have been aware of the Chemtrail/Geoengineering program for several years now. This program has multiple purposes as many of the comments shows. Related to the HAARP weapons system, http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/angels-dont-play-this-haarp/, http://viewzone2.com/haarp00x.html
Slow kill of population via lung cancer and other illnesses related to breathing aluminum, barium, strontium, lead and other heavy metals. http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ Reduction of sunlight to impact us, vitamin D deficiency, plant and animal death. Food crop control so they can control food through their own seeds and again reduce food production to reduce population, http://www.greatdreams.com/food/food-depopulation.html Finally, a really great site for an overview of NWO and strategies for survival, http://www.nwosurvivalguide.com. I understand how hard it is to learn about this type of information, but don’t dismiss it before you really consider it. Many people around the world are seeing this agenda and all of us need to wake up, tell all our friends and family before it is too late. Thank you to all of you for discussing this topic.

64 Ancient Mariner January 18, 2012 at 2:17 PM

@ Randall Clague:
DHMO – love it!
I nearly blew tea through my nose!

65 funny man January 18, 2012 at 2:43 PM

surprised no one has mentioned WHY… as the population ramps towards a completely unsustainable 10 billion people, our shadow government needs to cull the sheeple.

66 Nick January 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM

@ Randall and ancient mariner, the thing that scares me is how few people understood that it was a joke.

67 Judge Roy Bean January 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Hell….Brady sold his sole to the devil…Tebow didn’t have a chance.
Follow flight tracker and times = cold air and hot air and Alien farts that all it is.

68 Cowellian January 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Why would the devil want Brady’s shoes?

69 CJ January 18, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Holy Shit! The sky is falling!

Hey TinFoiler – I’m pretty sure the Unabomber’s shack is still uninhabited. I’m sure you could put an addition on it and invite Jim and Carol to move in with you. And John Fitzgerald could come along so that you can get a local government quickly in place!

70 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

@ Carol Taylor Thank You for your intelligence, a real breath of fresh air! AHH
@ nan Great quote! “My mom once told me great words of wisdom: If it sounds stupid, it probably is.” I guess she said them but obviously you didn’t pay attention and listen which seems to be a pattern with you. You are sounding stupid, and it appears you probably are…

71 @John Fitzgerald January 18, 2012 at 3:15 PM

“By the way many of these man-made clouds appear at about 7000 feet (I can give you info. to substantiate this claim) and during the mid-summer months when it is 90 to 100 degrees outside. It is impossible for the temperature to be cold enough for ice crystals to persist let alone spread out.”

Do you think all clouds are made of ice crystals?

72 Kirkwood January 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Hey Mr. Mayor, looks like you hit one out of the park again. I expected this topic to die on the vine, but it certainly brought out the wackos! Its been a fun ride.

73 jtkatec January 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

@ John Fitzgerald – Just to show my lack of political awareness, who are you running against who currently represents Concord?

74 Lime Ridge January 18, 2012 at 3:45 PM

“2. Do you think that the baby Jesus decides who wins football games?
>>>Really??? Do you???”

I don’t know. When I watch my football on the teevee, a lot of the players seem to think that God played a role in their winning the game.

75 SanDiegoSkywatcher January 18, 2012 at 3:56 PM

I have seen a lot of this in San Diego recently, so I started a blog today with pictures from this morning including a pretty good one of one of the planes involved. Here is the first post: http://wp.me/p292Bs-3

76 SanDiegoSkywatcher January 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM

I have seen a lot of this in San Diego recently, so I started a blog today with pictures from this morning including a pretty good one of one of the planes involved. Here is the first post: http://wp.me/p292Bs-3

77 They are from airplanes!, January 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM

They are caused by air planes because it is so cold up there like commercial airlines

78 They are from airplanes!, January 18, 2012 at 4:00 PM

It usually depends on the conditions. Vapor trails come from two things. First is the water vapor created by burning jet fuel. If the air is the right combination of cold and density, the vapor will condense into a trail. It can also come from the low pressure in the wingtip vortex. The wings of an aircraft cause a drop in air pressure in the vicinity of the wing. This brings with it a drop in temperature, which can cause water to condense out of the air and form a vapor trail or contrail. However, the vapor trails do contain pollutants that can harm the atmosphere. Basically, airplanes release the same vapor trails, it is really to conditions that make the look of it change, like temperature, the density, attitude, also the the amount of fuel being burned, and many more factors.

79 Antler January 18, 2012 at 4:02 PM

ROCKET SCIENCE
(True story)

Sometimes it does take a rocket scientist!

Scientists at NASA built a gun specifically to launch standard 4 pound dead chickens at the windshields of airliners, military jets and the space shuttle, all traveling at maximum velocity. The idea is to simulate the frequent incidents of collisions with airborne fowl to test the strength of the windshields.

British engineers heard about the gun and were eager to test it on the windshields of their new high speed trains.

Arrangements were made, and a gun was sent to the British engineers. When the gun was fired, the engineers stood shocked as the chicken hurled out of the barrel, crashed into the shatterproof shield, smashed it to smithereens, blasted through the control console, snapped the engineer’s back-rest in two, and embedded itself in the back wall of the cabin, like an arrow shot from a bow.

The horrified Brits sent NASA the disastrous results of the experiment, along with the designs of the windshield and begged the U.S. scientists for suggestions.


NASA responded with a one-line memo…


“Defrost the chicken.”

80 mortimer January 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM

I applaud you Mr Mayor for posting this to your websight. I’m not an expert and at the same time not naive either. I hear that there are over 4000 commercial airline flights everyday over the US. You would then come to the conclusion that the skys would be overcast everyday, everywhere from these jets. But it’s not that way. I work outside everyday. I ‘ve seen these unmarked jets fly low over Concord and after talking with people , am amazed by how many of these people think nothing of it. I applaud those that have left comments like John Fitzgerald and Tim Foiler. Mr Fizgerald, you will have my vote if you are a serious candidate against STUPID GERRGE MILLER.

81 Really are you all that stupid? January 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Too bad the government agencies didn’t include birth control in those chemical clouds. Sounds like some of you should have mandatory birth control so that you all are not allowed to procreate and keep on birthing more idiots like yourselves.

82 John Fitzgerald (Congressional Candidate, CA. D-11) January 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Re:jtkatec
George Miller currently represents Concord.

Re: @ John Fitzgerald
No. Bad combustion mixtures can leave exhaust trails too. If you are suggesting this is what they are I recommend you call the Air Quality Control Agency and the FAA and file a complaint. Also, until you and others show me credible info. disputing what I know to be factually based, well documented proof…do your own research to figure out what these anomalies are and respond with credible facts and links to substantiate your claims/opinions like the vast majority of people have done in this discussion. All others who dispute us (if you are) seem to only speak from anger, conjecture, resentment and name calling, etc.

83 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 4:41 PM

@ CJ pretty funny!
@ Antler Defrost the chicken– Great!
Just wondering what it will take for the nay sayers to understand and believe it? Channel 7??? Understand this… THE US GOVERNMENT IS ADMITTING THAT GEOENGINEERING IS HAPPENING– Get a F’n clue sheeple!!! WAKE UP!!!

84 NDAA is California Born! January 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I’m a bit concerned as to the closemindedness of the comments here. I admit I don’t know what they are but I KNOW they are NOT normal. It’s unnaturally to see them polluting the skies and gives me a bad feeling everytime I see them. Thank you for those that actually have research or information to share on what is causing it. Thank you to the major for posting this because it’s been bothering for quite some time. With the passage of the NDAA it’s come to my attention that the government does not appear to have our best interest at heart. Since I’m able to think critically, I can with an open mind and open heart listen to others views. I would hope everyone would approach this issue and mayn others the same way because I do feel that they all have deadly impacts for us… all of us.

Secondly, Both Barbara Boxer and Feinstein are supporters of the SOPA & PIPA bill! They both also voted YES on the National Defense Authorization Act.

The NDAA was introduced by Rep. Howard (Buck) McKeon [R-CA25]. The NDAA is California born and I would love to see my fellow Californians raise up and throw these corupt people out of office!

We need to FLOOD their office with calls, faxes, emails etc! They want this to happen!

SOPA & PIPA VOTES
http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/

NDAA VOTES
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-218

Rep. Howard (Buck) McKeon [R-CA25].
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D, CA]
Phone: 202-224-3841

Sen. Barbara Boxer [D, CA]
Phone: 202-224-3553
Twitter: @senatorboxer

Rep. Howard (Buck) McKeon [R-CA25].
26650 The Old Road
Suite 203
Santa Clarita, CA 91381
ph: (661) 254-2111
fax: (661) 254-2380

This last comment was censored due to colorful language!

.

85 Patrick Roddie January 18, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Geoengineering/ weather manipulation has been around for decades. The US Air Force seeded clouds to flood out the Ho Chi Minh trail during Vietnam (“Operation Popeye”) and the Royal Air Force caused deadly floods in 1952 after doing the same to it’s own people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1339046/Deadly-flood-blamed-on-RAF-rainmakers.html

If I had deep enough pockets, I could legally hire one of the many private weather control companies (such as Weather Modification Inc) and prevent rain falling on Clayton for as long as I could afford to pay them.

And if I had even deeper pockets and could seed clouds over large areas, I might invest whatever I had left in futures at the Chicago Climate Exchange. This is also legal.

What’s even worse is that the Military can spray us with anything they like without our knowledge or consent (US Code Title 50 Chapter 32 Section 1520a), including deadly pathogens and chemical weapons, as long as it’s called “research.”

Deniers will say that persistent contrails have always been around and will point to a few examples taken since 1950. Even if these are not photoshopped, we know limited testing has been done since at least the 50s so they could be pictures of said testing.

But this large scale program only started in the late 90s. We are now being sprayed many times a week (often at night) and I challenge readers to look though their old photo albums (mid-90s and back) and try to find skies like the ones we’ve been getting on a depressingly regular basis. And it’s happening worldwide – the US, Europe, Russia, Israel, Australia and pretty much everywhere between.

Deniers will also say that it’s a natural phenomenon to see persistent contrails and regular (short lived) contrails sharing the same sky at the same time, because the aircraft are not at identical altitudes. But how does that explain how the persistent contrails can start and stop at will? How are the crosses created? Do two planes just happen to pass through the same isolated pocket of cold air within minutes of one another?

I won’t bore you with all the patents, white papers, contracts, geoengineering cost analyses and more; just search for yourself.

The geoengineers insist they are not spraying us and that besides, if they were, their motives are pure. One of them, Ken Caldeira (the one John Fitzgerald confronted) told Pacifica radio:- “I used to work at Lawrence Livermore Lab where we all participated in a meeting. Where we sat around the room thinking of ways to manipulate geophysical systems to use it as a weapon. That means could you somehow interfere with the earth’s functioning in a way that you could use it as a military weapon. Could you change climate, what could you do to manipulate the earth’s physical system. Some of the ideas were, could we blow up hydrogen bombs underwater or offshore to make a tidal wave that would go over a city. The result was isn’t it easier to drop the hydrogen bomb on the city. Now, you could imagine putting pathogens in a cloud. Let the cloud go over somewhere and rain down on your enemy, do chemical or germ warfare.”

I will leave you with this, there is a lot of money being spent to keep the program quiet.

At a 2010 Council on Foreign Relations talk “Developing an International Framework for Geoengineering”, Granger Morgan, Head of the Department of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon said:- “First of all, of course, there is a lot of money getting spent to make sure that a very substantial portion of the public stays totally confused about this. And, I mean, it’s been really quite pernicious. But there’s been literally tens of millions of dollars spent on every little thing that comes along that might, you know, relate to some uncertainty.”

86 Suzie January 18, 2012 at 5:37 PM

@ Lime Ridge who asked, “Can you name anything else the government has successfully done for decades?”

Yes, they duped the public into believing fluoride is good for them.

87 Cindy January 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Wow! I am really surprised to see this here on Claycord. I’ve been photographically documenting chemtrails over my home in Concord since 2008. I am 48 years of age, and have lived in Concord since I was 3. The skies above have changed drastically. Chemtrails and contrails (vapor trails) are two completely different things. My internet research has yielded several theories, some of which seem a bit far-fetched, others plausible, all worthy of consideration. I’m not out to sway anyone’s opinion on the matter; just curious as to the purpose of the operations. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for getting this important issue out there to the mainstream.

88 Atticus Thraxx January 18, 2012 at 6:01 PM

As long as there isn’t an ICBM at the end of those, I could care less.

89 Teacher wannabe January 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Chemtrails? Really? Anyone with half a brain knows: hot airline exhaust + cold atmosphere= contrails. Not good over a long period of time, but not chemtrails.

90 Teacher wannabe January 18, 2012 at 6:20 PM

PB #3. Oh yeah, I forgot about all those crops at 10,000 ft.Contrails DO last a long time depending on the temperature of the upper atmosphere. They do pose a problem over the long term, just look at the East Coast. It affects the climate. I think the chems you’re refering to were inhaled.

91 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 6:26 PM

@ Patrick Roddie Great post Thank You!
@ Cindy Thank you for your post of open-mindedness Lots of info to absorb out there– too much to deny it’s existence Do your homework, it is a nasty government out there!

92 TinFoiler January 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Patrick Roddie, Well said!
I’ll leave the rest with a quote:
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer

93 Adam Henry January 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

DrDuran “Chemtrails are a figment of a deranged imagination, as with all conspiracy “theories” there would have to be so many people in on it that it would fall apart just from a few of them talking!”
Dr of What? Deception? You speak like a true gov. shill. After seeing your facebook, I’m not surprised. Family guy, Penn & Teller, You forgot to mention Myth Busters. Yeah man, You’re real balanced, I’m going to listen to someone that parrots what the rest of the sheople are saying.

94 Vendaval Mills January 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I have been photo documenting the sky over Coatal NH and there are days when the sky should be cobalt blue and clear- then the aircraft start laying down long trails as far as the eye can see. Sometimes they fly 3 abreast leaving white trails that spread out and create a milky sky. I have photos of a regular airplane flying in the vicinity of a a “line laying” airplane. Why does one leave trails and another doesn’t? Believe or don’t believe- just look up with a critical eye and try to comprehend what you see. I can’t.

95 Teresa January 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

The blind sheeple will not see. The barium and aluminum have scrambled their brains and made the blind. Fish dying, Birds dying, Crops dying, and soon, people dying. Alzheimer’s, Asthma, etc are rampant. Teacher’s say their students can’t stop coughing! In all their years of teaching, they’ve never seen anything like this. And still….they laugh! Well, the last laugh will be on you. I know how to protect myself from this. Good luck you all.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2414072400349.2110382.1507470217&type=1&l=aa0826a4b4

96 @John Fitzgerald January 18, 2012 at 8:07 PM

>> George Miller currently represents Concord.

That’s only half true. I live in Concord and he’s not my rep.

97 DrDuran January 18, 2012 at 8:10 PM

@Adam Henry

No coherent argument, so you just insult me, huh? I bet that works every time.

@Jim whatever who thinks he’s running for congress

Insulting voters is THE best way to get elected! LoL

Some people are just hopeless.

98 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 8:15 PM

@ Teacher wannabe “Chemtrails? Really? Anyone with half a brain knows: hot airline exhaust + cold atmosphere= contrails. Not good over a long period of time, but not chemtrails.”
It appears that half is all you possess, because people that have a whole brain know hot airline exhaust + cold atmosphere= contrails AND pay close attention here …
Planes that have material dumped out behind them stretching as far as the eye can see spreading out like a blanket that ORIGINALLY LOOKED SIMILAR to a contrail that would have LONG SINCE dissipated = chemtrails. It is easy to see how you got your name. If you wanna be a teacher, you need to do your homework! Seems like you and Randall Clague were classmates? Just sayin…

99 Jim Cantando January 18, 2012 at 8:35 PM

@ Vandeval Mills Great post Thanks for your excellent input
@ Teresa Another great post! I have had similar stories from teachers, friends and relatives and persistent cough. Don’t really know what to think of how some view all this info of so many species mysteriously dying in mass quantities– SOMETHING is definitely wrong, and I’m sure chemtrails have SOMETHING to do with it! SO very sad for everyone and all of Mother Natures creatures (even the sheeple)

100 CJ January 18, 2012 at 8:55 PM

TinFoiler, I didn’t call you un-American or unpatriotic or any of those things. What I did was imply that you seem like a person who has so little of real importance in their life that you need to spend your time imagining conspiracies, government generated and otherwise. Thats OK though. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you.

101 Nom de Plume January 18, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I’ve never heard of chemtrails before, but this is interesting.

Only thing I can say is the air traffic has really increased over the last several years. It seems like all the air traffic from Oakland (and SF?) has to fly over Mt. Diablo. It’s irritating.

102 John Fitzgerald (Congressional Candidate, CA. D-11) January 18, 2012 at 9:57 PM

@John Fitzgerald

It is my understanding that with the redistricting of former District 7…all of Concord encompasses what is now District 11. You can call the Contra Costa County Elections Dept. to confirm if your specific zip code falls within the border. There is still some confusion and clarification may still be needed regarding this matter.

103 CN January 18, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Finally the truth can be discussed about chemtrails. I heard of tin foil suits you can…blah blah blah.

The big noisy planes fly in jetways. One after da other. Several thousand feet below they fly a different direction. Cold and the trail stays, warm and it dissipates faster.

Watch this shocking video of a pilot laying down a CONtrail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player

104 CN January 18, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Antler, great stories. Guess thats why SuredT is one of my subscriptions on YouTube because he/she films from the cockpit.

By the way, the rocket scientists at LA County tried to seed the clouds years ago and caught he$& for it. Imagine the liability if a deluge and flood happened after clouds were seeded.

With all the free rain we’re getting in the next few days who needs seeding.

PS uh you need rain clouds to seed clouds. Don’t see any clouds in those pictures. (putting tin foil hat back on)

105 Spare the Air Day January 18, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Who said it was spare the air day?

….at least were getting 3″ rain this week.

106 @John Fitzgerald January 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

>> There is still some confusion and clarification may still be needed regarding this matter.

If there’s any confusion on this, it’s yours alone. You can see from the link below exactly where the boundaries lie.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=CA&district=7

107 Patrick Roddie January 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM

@ 107 – If you read the link you provide, it says these are the old maps.

“Looking for redistricting? Since we show you your current Members of Congress, which is based on the district lines at the time you last voted, our maps won’t be updated to reflect redistricting until the new Members of Congress elected from the new districts take office in January 2013.”

A draft map of District 11 is posted on John Fitzgerald’s website:-

http://johnfitzgeraldforcongress.com/new-ca-district-11/

And to CN, here’s a paper on weather modification lawsuits dating back to the 50s:- http://www.rbs2.com/weather.pdf

PG&E, when they’re not poisoning the water supply or blowing up cities, also screws with the weather:-

http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/news/x1435862251/PG-E-county-government-talk-cloud-seeding

But not all cloud seeding is the same. Carbon black (the dark lines you sometimes see) heats the air, causing uplift, puffy cumulus clouds and an artificial warm front. Silver iodide can create snow, hail and rain. Spraying a large amount of nano particulate aluminum can actually prevent rain. There’s plenty of scientific papers on each, they’re easy to find online.

108 pablok January 19, 2012 at 9:24 AM

“Chemtrails” is not a officially recognized word and therefore easy for anyone to say they don’t exist.

Persistent Contrails do exist. Especially suspiciously low altitude contrails that persist for many minutes if not hours.

What exactly is in them or causing them or who’s planes they come from is not clear.

Do your own research, watch the skies and talk to others in your community about it.

109 @PatrickRoddie January 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM

These are the current maps, i.e. they represent the boundaries which the current representatives represent. That is what we were talking about.

>> George Miller currently represents Concord.

110 spacement January 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM

First time I ever heard about cloud seeding was the article in the January 12, 2007 issue of the Clayton Pioneer. The article was written by PG&E meteorologist, Woody Whitlatch.

http://www.claytonpioneer.com/PDFS/page%20B9%2007%2001%2012.pdf

“…over the last 50 years, meteorologists have been able to change the weather a little bit.”

“Aircraft equipped with meteorological instruments and silver iodide flares fly into storm clouds and release the ice nuclei into the supercooled area of the storm clouds.”

http://www.claytonpioneer.com/PDFS/page%20B9%2007%2001%2012.pdf

After reading that, I don’t doubt the existence “chemtrials”. Our government spraying stuff in the air wouldn’t surprise me one bit. After all those mass bird deaths we hear about are probably the result of the FDA’s “Bye Bye Blackbird” operation that has been happening since the 60s.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2011/0120/Bye-Bye-Blackbird-USDA-acknowledges-a-hand-in-one-mass-bird-death

111 LeSigh January 19, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I don’t come here much as I used to since I moved to Brentwood, but I’m glad I did today! It’s interesting to see how involved people can get with arguing with each other online… it’s hard not to get sucked in!

Just remember — it’s pointless to argue with a computer page. You aren’t going to change anyone’s mind on here, they’ve already made it up and they won’t hear of anything else.

Thanks to Mr Mayor, as always, for the educational topic ;-)

112 jimbo January 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM

all i can say is wow……but its about time they posted this thread. but people who cant see that there poising our skies are still sleeping in the “american dream” WAKE UP the american dream only sounds good if your sleepin….lol with the NDAA act and PIPA and SOPA acts i dont understand how everybody isint outraged. Seems to me nobody cares about the future or the kids of tomarrow. anyways im actually really suprised how many people are aware of this it makes me feel good that people are starting to get it more and more and questioning whats going on instead of sitting back saying Oh its fine the gov will take care of us…..It is geo_engineering at its finest, weather modification with all that aluminum they’re sparying in the ionosphere allows it to heat up alot faster than the normal air around it so by creating a buble in the top of ionospher allows them to push and pull natural jet streams hundreds and hundreds of miles, causing drouhgts in some areas and floods in the other this has been goin on far a while, notice how its in grid patterns. huh weird. i just came back form humblot county and i saw atleat 20 to 30 of them in a 6 hr span….I see chemtrials everyday and contrails theres a huge differnence…..you dont need to b a scientist to notice this it just takes commmon sense and intellect to figure out whats really goin….also the collasping of the bees nobody knoes why? well it has to do with chemtrials 100%…..there aslo finding really large amounts of aluminum in the little snow in washington mt shasta all those areas are covered in it….what they spray up there finds it ways into water and food easily and they been doin this for over a decade now atleast…….they have been systamatically dumbing us down so we dont question authority, they have been calcifying our pinal glands a with flouridation, wierd how the nazis did that to jews and others in concentation camps.. they have been trying to keep us fromnm finding out our true pontential as human beings there holding all of us back from evolving as a species…huh…..social engineering has been taking place for about a hundred years now, since we were born( im 20) we have been forced into addictions all of us are addicts to the system and it drugs, tv, propaganda, lies, cover ups, did you know that TV’s frequencys trigger something in your mind to realease endorphines a natural seditive to relax you so people literally become addicted to tv, like someone and said earlier its called tv progaming for a reason.lol no joke…think of all the electronic frequencies going through your body at all times it shuts off your cognitive part of the brain and only allows people to think useing the “reptiallian part of your brain” meaning fight or flight basic instincts…this is how they keep people sleeping it works very well on most but not all. …the people who run the world are very smart you have to hand to them for being able to carry this out but they will figure out what happens when you try to play god….PEOPLE STAY ON YOUR TOES, QUESTION WHATS GOING ON AROUND YOU. DO NOT BE OBEDIENT, DONT COMPROMISE WHO YOU ARE FOR A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, AND A WEAPON, UNITE COME TOGETHER, FIGHT TYRANNY AND OPPRESION WE WILL WIN, ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECASUE ONCE YOU CLOSE IT YOU ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE TO TELL YOU WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU

113 hessianerd January 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Ive gotta agree with #50…

this is why we cant have nice things

114 CJ January 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM

jimbo #113:
I certainly hope your post was done using a bad keyboard on a smartphone. Otherwise I believe we all would be better off if you had stayed in “humblot” county. Tending your cash crop?

115 Nick January 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM

@Cj, that would have to be the worst “damnyouautocorrect” moment ever! Haha

116 Mister Wister January 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM

The population of this nation just keeps getting dumber and dumber and…..

117 Jim Cantando January 19, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Very well said and impressive for a 20 yr old! Glad to see that you are awake and involved! BTW– I liked your George Carlin reference in there about the American Dream LOL ” WAKE UP the american dream only sounds good if your sleepin” Don’t let those narrow minded sheeple that stereotype you because of where you live get you down about your spelling, your message is very understandable and well thought out!

118 Jim Cantando January 19, 2012 at 4:48 PM

That last comment was meant for Jimbo # 113

119 Jim Cantando January 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM

@ mister wister– truer words were never spoken!

120 @Jim Cantando January 19, 2012 at 6:05 PM

How do you know he wasn’t referring to you? :-)

121 TinFoiler January 19, 2012 at 7:03 PM

@ CJ 101,
You might think sitting around watching sports or playing video games is something of “real” importance. I beg to differ. Don’t worry about what I do with my life.
It’s okay – if you’re ignorant with your head in the sand and in denial doesn’t mean that there are REAL issues out there that people are trying to change and make this a better world, and even the ignorant ones will benefit from the change.
I guess since they didn’t talk about it on TV then it all must be a conspiracy.

122 jimbo January 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

@cj I talk like i text deal with it…..yea i dont got grammar and i can care less, but doesnt make me any less intellectually smarter or aware than anybody else. just shows how you judge books by there covers. you obviously are very ill informed in whats goin on in the world and prolly support obama…lol but just because i dont care for the education system in this country that is funded by the samee famalies that own all major oil companys in the US and banks and the pharmaceutical companys and pretty much every aspect of our lives, with money you gain, with power you gain influence, our whole lives have been influenced by poeple who have no intrest in our right to live a free prosporus life. So i think your the one with a lack of knowledge i may not be educated to your standards but by no means am i stupid….maybe we need to have a real conversation and we will see if your still making those remarks

@jim cantando
thanks i appreciate it…yea i get that alot…alot…lol yea i think some of the best ways to get the truth out is thru being funny it keeps the vibe positive and not promoting an endless paridigm of fear…hhaha oh and trust me i dont never have and never will soon enough they will come to realize that they have been lied to there whole lives and will accept that most of the “conspiracy thoerist” were right and wernt just a bunch of crazy people…..we live in a world that fiction cant even describe what actually happens….but the truth is coming out soon and there is a TRILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT against the U.N. ,Other defendants include UN General Secretary Ban Ki-Moon, Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, Giancarlo Bruno, who is identified as head of the banking industry for the World Economic Forum, Italy’s ambassador to the UN Cesare Maria Ragaflini, Ray C. Dam, president of the Office of International Treasury Control, and David A. Sale, the deputy chief of the council for the cabinet of the OITC.
check this out the lawsuit was file nov. 23 2011 in NY
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/05/41930.htm

123 Nick January 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Wow. Way to prove CJ wrong. Easy on the tirade there, sling blade.

124 Nick January 19, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I don’t like the source of funding for our educational system so in protest I choose to be uneducated. (that was a paraphrase)

Priceless

125 @tinfoiler January 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM

when will the sleeping sheeple wake up and see that there are conspiracies going on and they are not theories. I agree most are too distracted by sports, T.V. and watching FOX news to see what is really happening. BTW i asked the mayor to talk about fluoride but he still hasn’t. Look up the MSDS on fluoride or read your toothpaste tube. call poison control!!!
Just me

126 @jimbo January 19, 2012 at 9:21 PM

@jimbo,
Your grammar proves that you have nothing of value to add to the conversation.

127 As Bad or Worse Than Chemtrails January 20, 2012 at 12:04 AM

While we’re on the subject of toxins in the air and weather changes, how about all the crap China is pumping into our atmosphere?

It’s affecting us here in the West right now, no tin foil hats required: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57341838/pollution-from-china-alters-weather-in-u.s-west/

Toxic chemical runoff from Russian and Chinese unregulated industries is also pumped directly into major rivers which dump into our oceans. This is documented and is a ticking time bomb.

Everyday activity of human life is poisoning the planet on a scale that dwarfs any U.S. geoengineering projects. When you look up into the sky and see a chemtrail, it kind of pales in comparison to the millions of tons of toxic liquids and gases being spewed out by factories and processing plants, as you’re reading this.

Even if it was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the U.S. is geoengineering our environment, it’s a spit in the bucket to unchecked environmental devastation going on right in front of us, no conspiracy theories required. That scares me a hell of a lot more than your chemtrails.

128 catdog January 20, 2012 at 1:45 AM

LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW….Where do we start, what do we do to get some more attention to what is going on??

129 CJ January 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Don’t look now, but those “chemtrails” turned into rainclouds! Those geo-engineering bastards will rue the day!

130 Noah January 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I’ve been taking pictures of these over several months. If you still don’t think Chemtrails are real, start doing your research on Geo-engineering, this IS real and this affects us all. Wake up sheeple!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nwsd02/sets/72157625344131559/

Those are just the ones I’ve taken pics of, I’ve seen hundreds over the last couple years. Start looking up! Pay attention!

131 LLISA January 22, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I am not from CA, I am from NY, and we also have a serious issue with CHEMTRAILS, GEO-ENGINEERING, OR WEATHER MODIFICATON, what ever you want to CALL it–LONG ISLAND LEGISLATURE has had public hearings and over a hundred people respond. I have thousands of pictures and HOURS of video. MY aluminum blood level is elevated. I have now been tested for other metals. I have a freemason ”’friend”’ who spouts the same rhetoric as DRDURAN. They could be twins. Lime Ridge, Antler,Judge Ray Bean, your arguments are from the sublime to the rediculous– not personally, just what you repete as gospel, or maybe
you think you’re humerous and witty, but CLOUD SEEDING has been licensed for over 40 years in Texas, and it is regulated, because SIVER IODIDE is highly TOXIC, yet they use that among other things. JOHN FITZGERALD–I wish I could vote for you, you are sensible and coherant. Look up TED GUNDERSON on You Tube , from the FBI– discussing DEATH DUMPS over the heads of CALIFORNIANS– along with my friend ANTHONY HILDER,, he has some of my pictures and videos in his new movie, AIR AUSCHWITZ— FOLKS, I will not critisize anyone who has yet to investigate the loopholes in the CON trail theory, it is a CON perpetrated against us to treat us like LAB rats, like they did at TUSGEEGEE to the blacks when they gave them syphilis and left them untreated to see the effects, and all the FDA APPROVED DRUGS that are RECALLED because THEY KILL PEOPLE. Please do not believe ANY one , but I ask you to look with an OPEN mind at the evidence and do not just blindly dismiss it, it is very educational. And no one will get mad at you if you change your mind, we have freedom of choice. Excercise yours.

132 LLISA January 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM

I would be happy to share some very disturbing vdeo I have taken personally, even on THANKSGIVING DAY–BLACK TRAILS, and we get the really black trails at least once a month now–and ICE is not BLACK.
if you want to see it, look on YOU TUBE , my channel is ASILARABIANS,
look up THE REAL BLACK OPS, or OCT 6th, my birthday, we had over 200 planes, look at that video. I will be posting a NEW one, soon, of Friday and today—with the chemical round RAINBOWS–and the sun gleaming off of what they call SUNDOGS—round circular chemical colors in the sky. I am scareed, honestly. Not for me. I have lived. But for my children, and my grandchildren. They will reap the horrible legacy we are leaving behind. WHY do you think they tried to stop air quality standards??? Global warming??? because they are putting enough ALUMINUM in the air to cause vitamin D defieciency, alzheimers, a 600% increase in AUTISM, and asthma, deadly and life altering disease, not to mention that in the last 6 months at least 20 people I know or knew are sick or dead from cancer. People, it is real, and it is really time to learn the truth. Not conspiracy theories, but actual life altering truth. When this goes to far, it will be too late to MONDAY morning quarterback—we can not unring this bell. I honestly ask each person, without rancor or hype, examine the evidence, keep an open non ondescending oppinion, and
then—you may see it from the other point of view.I thank you all for being fair and non judgemental. PEACE.

133 LLISA January 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Mr Mayor, Mr Fitzgerald, Mr Tin Foiler, keep up the good work, even if only ONE person has learned somethiing from this thread, that is one person more than there was. Saving ONE person at a time is a worthy goal.

134 CJ January 22, 2012 at 5:21 PM

@LLISA:
You can’t convince me you’re right and I can’t convince you that you’re a paranoid loon. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Is it too late for you to learn how to spell, punctuate, or type? And no, criticizing your writing abilities is not because I have no argument. I will not argue your opinions because to argue them would lend credence to them. However, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to express yourself in a way that doesn’t expose your ignorance.

135 Jim January 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Chemtrails are a reallity and they are poison.
Mass mind control/hypnosis is at work for those that can’t see.
Why would the feds spend $8 billion to give us HD TV? Not bandwidth…
Do the research.
Dumbing down America.
Chemtrails are combined with HAARP and blue beam project. The military has control of it and it is a weapon.
I heard Billgates in several speeches say his vaccine program would REDUCE world population by %15.
The Georgia Guidestones call for a world population of only 500 million people.
YOU are on the extermination list.
WAKE UP!!!
Stop playing games and use the internet as a tool to get informed while we still have it. The feds are going to take it from us!!
SEARCH these things I have mentioned.
Can you say 666? It’s here. People are being marked as we speak.

136 Steve O January 22, 2012 at 6:56 PM

If you ask the dumbed down public about science, you will probably always get the wrong answer. The public is not educated properly on science and will repeat to you what the mainstream media says. If you want to educate yourself on this subject, turn off the idot box and go on the internet. If you do not, your health or the health of a loved one will be affected in one way or another. When I was a kid the sky used to be blue for months at a time and we used to see the stars outside at night. Not anymore!

137 CJ January 22, 2012 at 7:10 PM

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

138 TinFoiler January 22, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Right on y’all! LLisa, are you sure you want to take this path? There’s no turning back. Of course being called a Paranoid Loon will only make you stronger from clowns that can’t argue facts so they must insult.
Noah, I checked out your flickr – Thanks for sharing.
Here’s some sites of interest: http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html
She gives a voice to whistleblowers, also hosted the Awake and Aware 2011 conference in LA which had a decent turn out of people from All walks of life searching for truth, many 20 somethings there also which was refreshing. Also http://information-machine.blogspot.com/, http://kevinsmithshow.com/, http://www.veritasradio.com/ have some good info.

139 RS January 22, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Here is a link to educate people that think Chemtrials/ geoengineering is a conspiracy, please feel free to debunk all the evidence.

https://r3zn8d.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/south-carolina-chemtrails-massive-geoengineering/

Make sure you pour nice cool glass of Fluoridated water to sip on while educating yourself. Hitler and Stalin put fluoride in the water to promote the intellect…

140 R3zn8D January 22, 2012 at 10:57 PM
141 R3zn8D January 22, 2012 at 10:59 PM

What does Bill Gates, Monsanto, S510, Xe, BP oil spill, chemtrails and vaccines have in common? V2!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijOEmtZyWTg

142 Jim Cantando January 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM

@ Tinfoiler You sure hit that nail on the head! Llisa posted some great stuff! I wish the Mayor had a button to block all the trolls who do nothing but argue and insult just for the sake of it, but I guess that would be censorship :o/ Oh well, I wish they would just go away (you know who you are, I see you doing the same insulting behavior everywhere I see your handle on claycord) It is easy to spew your crap while hiding behind some fake screen name instead of putting your REAL name out there like I have the balls to do (not directed at you tinfoiler) I know why most “truthers” use a fake name and I also know why for the nay sayers as well. Because you know you are wrong and don’t want ANYONE that knows you to understand what ignorant fools you REALLY are– Just sayin

143 Jim Cantando January 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM

@ RS EXCELLENT site! Thank you for sharing! Not enough time to look at this entirely, but definitely will be looking more tomorrow

144 Pat Klotz January 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

They were out today in Warren Center,Pa. And after they flew over my eyes felt gritty andfor hours all I could taste was metal.

145 RS January 23, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Thank R3zn8D (Resonate) for the work.

146 Bay January 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM

For all the disbelievers out there that can see yet dispute what’s happening I hope you will be the first effected by everything going on. Cruel, yes but who has time the time for you. What a complete waste of the time of those awake having to or wanting to argue these points that are so clearly all around us. I do find the conversations here very limited to geo-engineering except for one. The weather mods is the least of the worries here. If this was the other thing going on we’d be having rain on a daily basis. We must open up the box and look outside of it and connect the dots which are numerous. We know the chemicals being sprayed and we know the side effects of them. I am not seeing anyone addressing what these chemicals mirror which happens to be the by-products of Nuclear fission nor what could these chemicals do to our dirt and water. What about what is currently being put in our water and is there chemical reactions taking place as the air partials and the water contaminates merge? Another question is what else can all the air borne heavy metals be used for. We need to ask even more probing questions that may seem far fetched yet has delivered some unbelievable search results with the terms “Nano-technology Chemtrails”. This one search opens Pandora’s box to more sinister events taking place than anyone can fathom. What is “Chemtrail Fibers”? What is Magellan’s? To limit this attack to weather modification is quite naive and we need to think the unthinkable and ask what if? Because what if is currently happening under the guise of distraction.

147 Jim Cantando January 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM

@ Bay Well said, I know of what you speak, not addressing my comments to weather modification, soil and water pollution, depopulation, Monsanto and all the other reasons they are jamming this crap in our skies– I am just trying to get the sheeple to acknowledge the dramatic changes in our skies FIRST! THEN get into the extreme effects of the Aluminum, Barium, Strontium, Mercury as well as the host of other toxins being sprayed and the reasons for it. Just to get them to start doing some research starting with the websites mentioned throughout this blog would be a HUGE place to start, where the other points you bring would surface. I know it seems a huge waste of time to try to convert them, but that does not mean that their loved ones should suffer for their ignorance when presented with SO much overwhelming information and that they should be ashamed as to not being open minded just a little bit to protect them if not themselves–

148 DrDuran January 24, 2012 at 4:38 AM

LLISA – Freemasons? really? that’s the best you have? Why not say I’m a member of the Illuminati?

Bay – Magellan’s? so we shouldn’t let Europeans explore the rest of the world? or did you mean the Bullshit morgellons?

here’s an interesting link about supposed chemtrails – Killing Chemtrails With Vinegar.

149 Jim Cantando January 24, 2012 at 8:30 AM

@ Dr Duran If you are such a dis-believer, why the hell do you keep showing up here? Why don’t you troll some place where you know SOMETHING about which you speak? If all you want to do is deny, please do it somewhere else– Please see # 143 Thank You in advance for your cooperation

150 CJ January 24, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Because it’s fun watching you loonies howl at the moon!

151 DrDuran January 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM

@Jim

I do know quite a bit about this subject, not learned from conspiracy sites, unlike you and the other true believers.

You obviously don’t know what a Troll is if you believe I’m trolling.

I’ll cooperate with you when you can quote some actual proof of your claims, not just “govt bad, therefore they’re poising us.” conspiracy crap.

152 Bay January 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM

I’m not wasting time with clowns. I see some great links and undeniable proof already here. It’s sad people are willing to chance thing but it’s there lives not mine. Speak all the crap you wish. I won’t be back. I have real concerns and they don’t include playing with some fools.

153 Atticus Thraxx January 24, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Fifty two words to declare your not wasting time with fools Bay? Think that ship done already sailed. And really, if your looking up at suspended water vapor and seeing vast conspiracies, maybe the Internets are not for you.

154 Cuppa Coffee January 24, 2012 at 7:48 PM

All I know is that we had a lovely pink and gray sunset tonight, and I’m pretty sure those weren’t pink Kool Aide crystals up there.

155 RS January 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM

@DrDuran

Funny how you guys pick on the weak ones but have no rebuttal to hard facts others have posted.

I have noticed the same thing, its caused by the sun setting and makes the Chemtrials appear to vanish.

She should remove that video.

156 RS January 25, 2012 at 1:11 AM

@Atticus Thraxx

Read the fine print, NASA is now saying contrails are formed by “aerosols” for the jets exhaust, do you happen to have an analysis of said exhaust?
I have one of rain water and its 700ug/L eq. to 0.7ppm or 0.7 mg/L
The is one of the lower tests done out of pocket by people like me using independent labs some I believe were in the 3k um/L, these are hundreds of water samples done all over the US.(somebody please post the link)

For plants using aluminum-based coagulants, recommended values are less than 0.1 mg/L total aluminum for conventional treatment plants and less than 0.2 mg/L total aluminum for other types of treatment systems (e.g., direct or in-line filtration plants, lime softening plants). These values are based on a 12-month running average of monthly samples.

Please feel free to debunk away as to why and how all this aluminum is increasing in rainwater… Also, Aluminum metal rapidly develops a thin layer of aluminum oxide of a few millimeters that prevents the metal from reacting with water. When this layer is corroded a reaction develops, releasing highly flammable hydrogen gas.
Aluminum chloride hydrolyses in water, and “forms a mist” when it comes in contact with air, because hydrochloric acid drops form when it reacts with water vapor.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=215322895227373&set=a.211786798914316.49111.207623095997353&type=1&ref=nf

http://mysteriousnz.co.nz/photogallery/displayimage.php?pid=1556&fullsize=1

http://www.maca.gov.nt.ca/operations/water/WWMeasure.htm

http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/water/aluminium/aluminum-and-water.htm

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