RALLY IN SUPPORT OF FORMER BART COP JOHANNES MEHSERLE

July 13, 2010 10:30 am · 288 comments

Hundreds of people are expected to attend a rally on Monday, July 19th at the Walnut Creek Courthouse to show their support for Johannes Mehserle, the former BART cop who was recently found guilty of involuntary manslaughter for killing an unarmed man named Oscar Grant on New Year’s Day in 2009.

The group coordinating the rally had the following to say on their Facebook page….

Anyone who supports Johannes and our Law Enforcement Officers may attend. This is a peaceful rally to show our support for Johannes and the injustices he is experiencing.
 
The rally is from 2pm-7pm on Monday July 19th at the Walnut Creek Courthouse on Ygnacio Valley Road.
 
To visit the Facebook page, please click ON THIS LINK.

{ 288 comments }

1 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:32 AM

INJUSTICE???? Give me a break! I don’t care if he “accidentally” shot someone. He shot someone, he killed someone, and he needs to be held responsible.

2 Anon July 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM

This doesn’t sound like a good idea…

3 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Gotta love the Creek.

4 9 deuce daisy July 13, 2010 at 10:44 AM

let the bashing begin…

sheesh

5 biggus thinkus July 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Not police bashing, and certainly not on the side of Oscar Grant, but I can hardly say that negligent manslaughter and the punishment that comes with it is hardly an injustice. I’m sorry Oscar was killed. I’m sorry that Mehserle pulled the wrong weapon. But he did, Oscar is dead, it’s called A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Granted, nowadays it’s always someone elses fault. Still think the boys in blue have a hard job, keep it up.

6 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:47 AM

No doubt the Bay Area media will be there to film the counter protest they organized, bused in from Oakland with free bag lunches for all.

Everyone who shows up will get their face on TV and be branded a racist.

Just watch.

7 anon July 13, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Think this is a wonderful idea!

8 Good to see this July 13, 2010 at 10:50 AM

I’m glad there is going to be a rally supporting Mehserle and other officers for that matter. From the beginning I felt that Mehserle made a terrible mistake between his gun and the taser but that he didn’t mean to shoot/kill Grant. And that Mehserle shouldn’t be convicted of any crime.

Police officers need to not be worried about using their weapon or a taser when it is needed.

9 Anon July 13, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Finally some support for the guy. But why the Walnut Creek courthouse?

10 Teds Mom July 13, 2010 at 10:55 AM

It’s about time we showed some support for the men in blue who protect us 24/7

11 anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:57 AM

haha….whimps….shouldnt you be doing this at the fruitvale station?

12 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM

What injustice is he experiencing, exactly? Being in prison for killing a man that was handcuffed and in custody? If anybody is experiencing injustice, it would be the city of Oakland having to deal with all the idiots that were rioting.

13 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I’m not sure what injustices Johannes Mehserle is experiencing. He did make a huge mistake in killing someone he meant to taze, BUT I’d hate to see him become a victim in a Federal Civil Rights case. This was neither a case of murder, nor a denial of civil rights. This was a rookie cop who made a mistake trying to arrest a drunken, combative ne’er do well. My idea of support would be for the family and for the young cop who’s life and career are now forever altered.

14 mdhs80 July 13, 2010 at 11:03 AM

It happened. It’s done. Can we let it go and stop all this stupid protesting because someone got killed accidentally. Yes, it’s sad, but if all these protestors want to make a statement, start with all the violence in the street… and this includes all the tagging/graffiti.

15 Leigh July 13, 2010 at 11:05 AM

While I personally do support Johannes Mehserle, there is no reason to bring this to Walnut Creek. I really think this is asking for trouble.

16 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:05 AM

If these people had any guts they would protest in Oakland and not in the WC.

What they should be protesting is more training for BART cops. An accident is when you drop a cocktail, not shooting a guy in the back laying on the ground.

Maybe even train them to patrol their own parking lots every now and then.

17 Anon July 13, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Its also another excuse for anarchists to break windows too!

18 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:07 AM

I would assume the out-of-towners who tore up downtown Oakland can come to WC too. Guess It will be a good time to stay away. Thanks for the warning.

19 jtkatec July 13, 2010 at 11:10 AM

AMIERICA THE BEAUTIFUL!!!! Everyone is allowed to voice their opinion. Everyone is allowed to peacefully demonstrate.

No mater what side you’re on, you have to admit, if we lived in Russia or China, this would not be happening.

I LOVE my Country, I even love the red-necks and bigots.

20 biggus thinkus July 13, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Good to see this: I’m glad they’re having this too, but honestly, why shouldn’t he be convicted of this crime? it may have been an accident, but that is never an excuse. back to my original comment. accountability. am i the only one that sees this? how is he not responsible for killing a person face down on the concrete? is it Oscars fault he was shot in the back by an officer? it was a mistake! that doesnt make it excuseable. lets see what the sentence is, and then we can cry foul.

21 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:13 AM

I totally support him! I am glad we are doing something for him, and I am proud to know this will not become violent and nothing will be stolen.

22 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Hmm. Wonder why this isn’t happening in Oakland.

Frankly I think this was a horrible mistake. He didn’t mean to pull his gun and I don’t understand anyone that thinks differently.

23 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM

he was NOT handcuffed.

24 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Free Johannes!

25 The JC July 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM

I hope the anarchists don’t get wind of this.

26 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM

@1059

Stop with the handcuffed comments. He wasn’t handcuffed. At least be factual.

27 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM

In my opinion this case got two idiots off the street.

28 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Oh for the love of God. How man times do you numb nutts need to be told. He was NOT in handcuffs when he was accidently shot!

29 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Great. Throw Walnut Creek into this. Fantastic. I agree with @1057 – do this at the Fruitvale BART station. Doing this out in WC just emphasizes the divided nature of the issue on a racial and / or socioeconomic basis.

30 Why? July 13, 2010 at 11:20 AM

This really is incendiary. A man is dead, a man is going to jail and businesses and people have been hurt. Use your freedom of speech responsibly. There are so many other ways of supporting law enforcement.

Is the tea party behind this? lol

31 Radar July 13, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Even the anarchists read Claycord, Will see them there.

32 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Shouldn’t they be doing this in Oakland? Why Walnut Creek? SCARED? lol…..

33 anon July 13, 2010 at 11:38 AM

@ 10:50
“Police officers need to not be worried about using their weapon or a taser when it is needed.”

I disagree. We the people give them their guns to protect us. They have a greater responsibility than the general public to not accidentally discharge their firearm especially into someone’s back. I would hate to live in a place where all the officer had to do was to say “it was an accident” and we would not hold them accountable for shooting someone.

There is a point at which we can give the police officer’s the benefit of the doubt, however, this is not that point.

34 Diablo July 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM

This gathering planned has nothing to do with support of law enforcement!

35 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM

If both the anarchists and the “open-carry” group are going to be there, then I’m staying away.

36 GoGo Gomez July 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM

this is going to be all bad!!

37 I'm just saying July 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM

If I was a business owner near the Courthouse I would seriously think about boarding up my windows . . .

38 miss ♥ priss July 13, 2010 at 11:42 AM

oH dear, this seems dangerous. i totally support mehserle. i feel bad that this happened to him, in my opinion he had every right to be guarded on a potentially rowdy night like that one. i’m sad for Grant’s family as well, but the man was only trying to do his job- very unfortunate his life has taken this turn.
i will support him silently in my home though. you *know* this rally will turn ugly. WAYYY to soon and “in your face.” Very sad. no doubt on july 20th we will be reading of the people who were wounded in this rally.

39 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:43 AM

accident? I dont know if any of you have ever seen a bay cop, but the way they arm their tazer is alot diff than when they pull their gun.

“Police officers need to not be worried about using their weapon or a taser when it is needed”

NO WEAPON WAS NEEDED. how many police were there? they had the kid on the ground… even if he succeeded in tazing grant IT WASNT NEEDED.

I hope this support rally is met with alot of opposition from the other side because this is bullshit.

40 anonofcourse July 13, 2010 at 11:47 AM

If you’re a cop, you should be aware of your weapons and their proximity. It’s your minimal responsibility. The jury’s decision is the correct one, open and shut. There is no injustice. Yes, I am grateful for and VERY thankful to our local police agenices. But throwing that polish on a provocation? Senseless bull!

41 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:55 AM

I support Mesherle and I will be there. I support ending crime in California and that means that if you don’t listen to the police, struggle with them while being held for some reason, or try to escape, you might DIE. I support officers using deadly force if necessary to take our streets back from the criminals. I believe Mesherle was doing his job and did not intend to kill anyone and should be set free.

42 anonymous July 13, 2010 at 12:01 PM

I even heard Michael Savage mention that Grant was shot while handcuffed. This coming from an ultra-conservative radio guy. Weird how the facts (even the ones on videotape) become distorted.

I’m sorry for Mehserle and his family. He made a mistake and has to pay for it. The part that makes it worse is that the media has grabbed hold of this story and won’t let it go.

43 oaktown July 13, 2010 at 12:01 PM

I plan to make a trip to Walnut Creek does you have a Foot Locker?

44 @#!$!%# July 13, 2010 at 12:02 PM

I’m no left wing cop hater by any means, but I really fail to understand what exactly is “involuntary” about shooting an unarmed man in the back who was face down on the ground.

And to the “he meant to taze him” people, how can you mistake a gun for a tazer? And furthermore, he was face down on the ground, subdued and surrounded by cops. Why did he need to be tazed anyway?

I’m sure this kid was no saint, but did he deserve to die just for being an obnoxious prick?

45 ConcordCatLady July 13, 2010 at 12:02 PM

I work right up the street and am always walking around that area – I’ll go check it out myself just out of curiousity. I hope it stays peaceful.

46 anon July 13, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Do you think this would be happening if he shot a white guy? I dont think so!! Oscar grant was no saint. I think Meshserly did this world a favor.Its about time we give Johannes support. Whatever, happened to the 2 black guys who killed the chinese guy for no reason probably nothing. most black people always play the race card it getting real old. I think we should go to the fruitvale station. Free Johannes

47 Sherry July 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM

I haven’t heard such ignorant comments before in my life, if anyone stand up for Johannes Mehserle who is a convicted killer is full of it. What if that was your son, brother, father, uncle, that was shot in the back with a crushed skulled while being called a “bitch ass nigger”, as Pirone him kneed in the floor. Not only that, they didn’t call 911 right away. They was worried about confiscating all video recordings of what happened to cover up what happen. Then he & his fellow colleagues went to the station & celebrated & bragged about the shooting. I’ve had a gun like the cops carry in my had to fire and fired one before, and I have a taser and have used it before. They weight of them is completely different. If you work in law enforcement you know you have to have a special belt just because of the weight of the weapon! Johannes Mehserle has several complaints of excessive force in his record that was not allowed in court. He had just beat up a man that had to have medical attention just for bad mouthing cops! If you rally for him, know who you rally for! You right we pay the police to protect and serve us, not to kill & be killed. Dispute those facts!

48 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM

19,

Your last statement was quite racist. How did it slip by quick-click moderator Mayor?

If everyone these days is so quick to pull the race card, I guess I’ll just have to jump on that bandwagon.

49 idk July 13, 2010 at 12:06 PM

for all mehserle knew, grant was armed. anything was possible.

people make mistakes.

50 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Bad idea for wc. It’ll be a joke for years!

51 Anon July 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM

in WC?! man, if i was one of those open-carry guys, i might be thinking about actually lockin’ and loadin’ for this one…

and such great timing – this rally will be held two days after the grand opening of our beautiful new library. i hope the library has money left over to buy plywood to board up all those big windows from the anarchists!

52 Mr. Mayor July 13, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Grant was not handcuffed.

53 2 birds July 13, 2010 at 12:21 PM

This is a block from the DMV. The opposition crowd can help with the remodel by busting things up.

54 Man in tan July 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Mesherle got the benefit of the doubt from a jury selected by both sides. It was deemed an accident and the verdict appropriate. The unhandcuffed Grant was under the influence of alcohol and drugs instead of being home taking care of his kid. He was facedown and resisting by not showing his hands. Poor Oscar Grant deserves much of the responsibility for what happened in this chain of events because he was out and about being drunk and stupid. Unjustices for Mesherle? Every freakin night the family is interviewed on TV ad nauseam. All they talked about was murder this murder that. Are you telling me not one single juror turned on the TV during the trial? Even the judge threw out murder 1. Mesherle didn’t get dressed and go to work planning to kill Oscar. It wasn’t murder but it was ruled involuntary manslaughter by a jury. Reasonable outcome given the seriousness of the “mistake”. Let’s move on.
Oh and the Walnut Creek gathering….. bad idea unless you’re a plywood salesman. Don’t give the anarchy groups a new venue.

55 ANON July 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM

GREAT IDEA LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OAKLAND SHOWS UP.

56 Supports LE July 13, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Sherry
You are an IDIOT. Oscar Grant had a criminal history a mile long…..2 felony convicitons. He was not handcuffed, he had drugs and a weapon on him. If he was such a saint and good father he would have been with his kid as that is what a responsible parent does. But he was out partying and wreaking havoc on a BART train. You probably think LaVelle Mixon was “innocent” to.
Want to get outraged??? Then fget outraged over the MURDER of Chauncy Bailey by the Bey Family and Nation of Islam. That was truly a MURDER and watch, the Beys will get off Scot free because they are “brothers”. And how th f’k do you know they went back to HQ and “celebrated” the shooting??? Were you there?? Or is this more BS from Grants Family??? A wonderful family where good Ol Oscy wasn’t the only one with a rap sheet I don’t think they “celebrated” as LE rarely celebrates a take down.
BTW I know a former BART Police Officer (eneded up going to the Academy to become a “real” cop in Oakland) BART Police do not receive the same training as City Police or Deputy Sheriffs receive at the academy. The have fewer hours total training and that includes weapons training. The “share” duty belts which regular Police and Deputy Sheriff’s do not do. We have reserves in the SO that get more training that BART Cops.
And where the Hell did you learn English?????? “They was worried”….Sounds pretty ghetto there girl. It should be “they were worried”..Guess they didn’t teach you grammer in the Oakland Public School system.

57 mc July 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM

The ones who beat Rodney King, who gunned down Sean Bell and Amadou Diallo and Oscar Grant, who murdered Fred Hampton in his bed. The ones who broke Víctor Jara’s hands and Steve Biko’s skull, who disappeared dissidents from Argentina to Zaire, who served Josef Stalin. The ones who enforced Apartheid in South Africa and segregation in the United States. The ones who interrogated Black Panthers and Catholic Workers, who maintained records on 16 million people in East Germany, who track us through surveillance cameras and phone taps. The ones firing tear gas and rubber bullets whenever a demonstration gets out of hand, who back the bosses in every strike. The ones who stand between every hungry person and the grocery shelves stocked with food, between every homeless person and the buildings standing empty, between every immigrant and her family.

In every nation, in every age, you tell us you’re indispensable, that without you we’d all be killing each other. But we know well enough who the killers are. You won’t mess with us much longer.

58 SK July 13, 2010 at 12:58 PM

@2 birds, I had to struggle to keep from laughing out loud at work! :D That was funny.

59 MsAmber July 13, 2010 at 12:59 PM

Ok, so my opinion might be wildly unpopular but with that being said Mehserle didn’t wake up that morning and say “gee I think I will shoot a black guy today”. It didn’t happen that way.

Since race is such a big deal for everyone I’ll just put my out there…I’m Native American girl, raised in Claycord. I saw the video. I watch the news and hear stories of thugs (YES of all races), mugging, and creating domestic disturbances in Bart all the time. It’s one reason that I don’t feel safe to ride it alone or in certain neighborhoods. If I was standing on that platform, I would be scared and pray that the Officers would be able to handle the situation so that the uninvolved public wasn’t harmed (which they did). I would feel just as strongly if not stronger if I had a child present. They protected the public and were trying to do there job. I don’t believe they had any malicious intent.

I hate that if you are white (or presumed white) and speak out then your a racist. I’m not, I could careless. My problem is with individual behavior and people creating unsafe environments which makes it necessary for police intervention. If Oscar (or the people he surrounds himself with) are going to create an unsafe environment and act inappropriately then I pray the police are there to handle it. That statement goes for any group of any race. I don’t want to live in a world where an Officer has to think about race, rioting, liability or anything else while trying to make a slit second decision to protect the population. I want them to make that decision on their experience, training and more importantly gut instincts.

The video I saw showed a group of african american men resisting arrest and being very vocal about it. It looked like they were putting on a show for those on the train, and those people were fueling the situation with their yelling thus creating more chaos. There’s no doubt in my mind that it was a very intense situation. I don’t claim to know all the facts because I wasn’t there so I will not judge the actions of the Officers involved. I will say that the group of people filming and those being detained, is the reason I don’t ride Bart. I don’t want to get harmed so I don’t put myself in those situations or hang out with those types of people (again directed toward behavior not race).

No I’m not picking on African Americans, these “thuggish” people (for lack of a better word and primarily used to describe behavioral characteristics) come in all races even the white. Again, this has nothing to do with race and quite frankly I’m tired of the race card getting pulled all the time. It’s rather petty and getting so old. You don’t see me whining about it and technically being Native American, my family was here first. As a world, we will always have different races, we need to accept that and be proud of who we are and where we come from. We need to celebrate our differences, and live to each their own.

For those of you that don’t like the law….. change it.
For those of you that don’t like the verdict…. protest it peacefully.
For those of you that do like the verdict…. support it peacefully.

This isn’t about oppression. People are so quick to grab all their troubles and piggyback on a cause without realizing that they are stronger and better than that. It’s often said that white people hold black people down…. Whether they are or arent use that… get mad but more importantly be a stronger person (no matter the race) and raise above it to create the change you want. If you stay in the ghetto, you will always live in the ghetto. If you want a different life, make it happen don’t just sit around and complain about it or riot uninvolved businesses. We all have 24 hours in a day, what are you going to do with it?

Positive or negative your choice.

Grant and his buddies chose a negative… that wasn’t that Officers fault, they were the ones that had to respond to it and they did what they could in a unpredictable, tense and difficult environment. It would have been a lot worse if the Officers didn’t come and it was just Grant (and his buddies) vs the public.

60 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:00 PM

#12, he was not handcuffed. Get the story straight. He was not handcuffed when he was shot. He was reaching in a pocket.

61 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:00 PM

So now we can smash up Walnut Creek to support this horrible man.

62 NO justice No peace July 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM

This is a really bad idea for them to bring it to Walnut Creek…He was not reaching in his pockets. He shot a unarmed man I hope He gets the Max Prison time

63 ner city July 13, 2010 at 1:09 PM

For all the people yelling “He was not handcuffed” you’re 100% right; Oscar Grant was NOT handcuffed. He just had two men that weighed over 250 pounds on top of him holding him down and accidently got shot by a man (Mehserle) that was once voted “Most Huggable” at the same high school that kicked him out for slapping a Latina woman. This “Man” confused a bright yellow taser with a black police pistol that weighs twice as much and also has more safety straps than his taser. Those are the facts. For protestors to have their rally in Walnut Creek shows me how cowardly they really are. The crime happened in Oakland, Oscar Grant is from Hayward and Mehserle is from Napa, this seems like a Tea Party/Clan rally to me.

64 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:12 PM

This is not going to end well. A bunch of Oaktown thugs come to WC, that has bad idea written all over it.

65 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM

OJ was guilty!

66 Walnut Creek resident July 13, 2010 at 1:16 PM

There are plenty of good police officers out there, but Mehserle does NOT strike me as one of them. At best, he panicked in a chaotic situation or mistook a Taser for a gun — either way, a show of real ineptitude that has needlessly caused a man’s death. At worst, he meant to shoot Grant. Either way, the one thing to support about Mehserle is any movement to keep him away from police jobs in the future and away from jobs that allow him to carry a firearm, for the general safety and well-being of the public at large.

On a somewhat related note, did anyone here see the news reports this week about some Georgia law enforcement officers in trouble because they repeatedly Tased a school teacher who had reported a break-in at her house? When she declined to answer some personal questions, things got heated and they Tased her again and again. All caught on a recording device. Yes, she was black. Would that have happened to a white school teacher/homeowner? I strongly doubt it.

67 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:16 PM

If Grant hadn’t given the officers cause to go after him none of this would be happening…

68 ignorance drives me mad July 13, 2010 at 1:16 PM

@Supports LE
who said he was a saint? and what the hell does his “criminal history a mile long” have to do with the night of Jan 1st 10.are you saying thats why he was shot? hmmm that would have made no sense since the police had not even had a chance to run his name and would not even have know his as you say long history!..Shooting a unarmed man while laying face down? When did that become legal no matter what your history may be? while i dont believe in violent or destructive rioting. (there was alot of us as you say “ghetto folks” aka people of color” that stood with a positive voice.) Still get your facts straight he had no weapon on him! Maybe you should read up a little more before you try and tell someone off because you sound ignorant and “ghetto” its more then obvious your a racist so i guess we can expect much more.. No matter if he meant to grab his plastic taser or his gun which both def weight and feel different he killed a human so he should pay no matter what. Although from reading your above message i highly doubt you view people of color as human which makes you just as ignorant as the people you try and degrade. Get a clue and read up some more on the facts of the Oscar grant case they no doubt have made it clear he was unarmed. you are a complete ignorant idiot!

69 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Who cares if Oscar had a criminal history, he didn’t need to die. Some of the comments here are the most disturbing I have ever read. Some of you need to get off of your high horse. I am sure none of you are angels. Get over yourselves.

70 JoAnne July 13, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Hmmm, how did that post from “mc” slip through – sounds like a threat to me.

71 The Mamba July 13, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Wait, what?! Please do not do this in Walnut Creek, my god.

72 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:37 PM

MsAmber- you said exactly was I was thinking. Thank you.

73 StatusQuo July 13, 2010 at 1:38 PM

Yup, let’s hold a rally in a suburban, predominantly white, middle to upper class area about the injustice holder a person responsible for the killing of a person of color.

74 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:41 PM

For those who think Mehserle is a “horrible” man (IE: # 61), maybe you should re-read some of the articles following his initial arrest. His wife had just given birth to a baby. Mehserle and his family had to move to Nevada, because some “Grant supporters” were sending death threats not only to Mehserle and his wife, but toward the newborn child. How is that not horrible? Whatever someone feels about the cop, it should not be taken out on an innocent baby!

75 RB July 13, 2010 at 1:47 PM

“In every nation, in every age, you tell us you’re indispensable, that without you we’d all be killing each other. But we know well enough who the killers are. You won’t mess with us much longer.”

@mc, Is that a threat?

76 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 1:49 PM

The family did itselff wrong when the Nation of Islam showed up– they make everything racial. Also the Mayor of Oakland– Dellums saying he will help the family take it higher– that is not his job– he works for the citizens & he has real problems in that city– not helping a felon’s family.

77 Claire July 13, 2010 at 1:53 PM

amazing responses here…shows the depth of ignorance in our society. Anyone who thinks this isn’t a race issue is…well…probably white!! That’s your privilege talking and working for you, not people of color!

78 Anon July 13, 2010 at 1:57 PM

@MsAmber – very well put

*applause*

79 TIFFER July 13, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Sounds Like a Great Rally and for everyone who thinks it should be in Oakland or at the BART Station. I’ll go there to! Some seem to think that those silent people who do not speek out are scared. Not Me. The folks In blue go to work everyday and I for one feel They do not wake up in the morning saying I’m going to shoot a black guy today.

80 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Let’s not forget that Oscar Grant was resisting arrest. He was not handcuffed and he was not just lying on the ground. If he didn’t resist he would still be alive.

81 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Let’s not forget that Oscar Grant was resisting arrest. He was not handcuffed and he was not just lying on the ground. If he didn’t resist arrest he would still be alive.

82 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 2:10 PM

OJ was innocent!

83 The Dragon July 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Note to “Good to see this” and many others. Sorry, I cant find any injustice in what happened to Mehserle. Yes, it no doubt was an accident. But he stilled killed someone and it is still manslaughter. You can kill someone on the highway with your car, and it is a complete accident, but you still can be found guilty of manslaughter, especially if you are acting reckless in any manner. Mehserle may be a good man with a great family, but he stilled killed someone while acting recklessly, accident or not.

84 Anon July 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Regarding whether Grant was cuffed or not, how does anybody know?

85 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 2:13 PM

“not helping a felons family” lol he was 22 years old you act like he committed murders and he was a child molester. Not condone what he he did but Get over yourself please..shut up.he didn’t deserve to die over it Have yet to see a man on death row for a drug charge not to mention they didnt even know he had a record when the officer put the gun into his back and shot him ..Maybe the mayor will help a family seek justice for their child and they have just as much right to do so as you or anyone else. If his mother feels justice wasn’t served then she has that right to try until her hearts content its her baby….really doesn’t matter how you feel thats the beauty of it not too much you can do about it so stop cry. Not everything is racial but some things are thats just how it is and most likely will always be to some degree. life full of stereotypes and raciest views…..we have come far but if you read above obviously not far enough…”hang em hes a felon” Americas full of felons with all different crimes some more serious then other in my option we should save the bullets for the child molester. Or should we line them up face down and shoot them all in the back?

86 Rell July 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Have any of you WATCHED the videos?

Did you not see Oscar Grant on his stomach, on the ground, hands behind him, surrounded by three cops w/ one of them kneeing him in the back?

Why would Mehserle SUPPOSEDLY feel the need to Taser him? How could Oscar Grant SUPPOSEDLY reach for a gun in that position?

All a cop has to say is, “I was scared, and I thought he had a gun!” and he gets away with this crap. EVERYTIME! My only surprise is that Mehserle didn’t shoot him 50 times like the boys in blue do here in New York.

87 TIFFER July 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM

NEVERMIND, my comment was stupid.

88 Enuff is Enuff July 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Would there have been all the hoopla if Mehserle mistakenly shot a Hispanic,Asian or White person???? The answer is no. But we must cow tow to blacks like the jerks from Nation of Islam and Red Dellums.
And where were the blacks like the Nation of Islam and Red Dellums when Chauncey Bailey was executed????? Oh yeah they are the ones who performed the execution of honest working man. Nope these parties only care about the thugs like Oscar Grant.
#68 I suggest you do some research as Grant had a weapon and drug on him………and if take alive would have gone back to prison. He and his little friends wer causing trouble onthe BART train and were being uncooperative and resisting arrest. One of that group was going to be shot be it Oscar or one of his little hoard.
If this would have been Peter or Pedro no one would be protesting or having a “federal” investigation. Only in Racist Oakland with the Socialist Mayor do you find such stupidity and sympathy for a criminal. Yes the same Oakland that was listed as one ot the 10 most violent cities in America. I think Red Dellums should worry more about that than one criminal citizen.

89 Ian July 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Not gonna read everything, but I think the weapon enhancement he received is ridiculous.

90 Tired of the B.S. July 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM

This rally is bad for both sides (Mehserle/Grant). I do not see it ending well, far to emotionally charged. It’s sad, but with the minority issue set aside, Grant had already been to prison 2x in his short life. I am not going to loose any sleep over his passing. Grants behavior in the past as well as the night of his untimely death prooves he was a burden on society. In this day and age it is extremely difficult to make it to prison, you have to be a real piece of shxt. Grants mother cries because she lost her son, it appears to me she lost him along time ago, and now she will be a millionaire because of poor parenting. Now it’s time to piss people off.
Free my shooting coach!!!!

91 anon July 13, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Wow you people are really stupid… you would really go to a rally to support this guy? I would love to know if anyone on here, if your brother, father, son was killed BY ACCIDENT by a cop, would you be willing to just say “Oh he didn’t mean to, let him walk, I’ll be fine”. I know you guys are the Valley but come on people. If life that worthless to you?
I mean if it was a little kid or an elder that Mehserle killed would it make it worthy of jail time?

He killed someone and by accident…I mean WTF, you might as well drop the Benny Hill theme under it, then it’s really not that serious of crime…oops, I killed someone, my bad… That’s gotta really suck to have some one you love killed by “accident”. If you’re gonna support cops for god sake support the good ones and not the idiots who can’t do their job right.

92 MsAmber July 13, 2010 at 2:40 PM

@Claire I hope we as a society & nation can quite hiding behind race or color and take some personal responsibility for our own actions. Grant wasn’t trying to take responsibility for his, which is why he was resisting. Mehserle took responsibility for his actions. Quit hiding behind race, your better than that. We all have a race…. we all have a skin tone…. so what? Let’s stand up and be better, higher than that and hold ourselves accountable for what really matters…. our own actions in the world.

Peace & Love not Race & Hate

93 sidekick mom July 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Maybe this is just a peaceful show of support. It is not about drama simply a show of support. I will be there and I think it is a great idea. As for those that do not agree the good thing is no one is asking you to go. The 1st amendment is for all of us.

94 Brazil Quarry July 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

It’s about time that somebody stood up for Mehserle.

If we make the Bart police and the other “Boys in Blue” too nervous to use their weapons then when the time comes they might not be able to shoot other citizens in the back.

The Police have a very difficult job and it is absurd to punish them just because they accidentally shoot someone in the back.

Mistakes happen.

95 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM

When I was in college I had a white friend who was shot and killed by a black guy in Oakland who was robbing him. It barely even made the news. Where is his rally? Nobody except his actual friends and family care. Why? Because the black community is racist. So sad.
I do hope that the victims of Grant’s crimes sue his family and take all the settlement money away. They don’t deserve to live on easy street on the public’s dime just because they raised a thug. He shouldn’t have been killed, but none of it would have ever been an issue if Grant had sat down in the damn train and shut his mouth.

96 Anon July 13, 2010 at 2:59 PM

@91 Have you ever heard the phrase… Shit Happens?

97 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Who is organizing this? The “group” doesn’t identify themselves on Facebook. What’s their agenda?

We need to know who is behind this profoundly irresponsible idea.

98 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM

“Anyone who supports Johannes and our Law Enforcement Officers”

I support Law Enforcement but I also think “involuntary manslaughter” is a just verdict.

The system worked. Nobody is pleased because it was a tragic event. Sometimes there are tragic events with no winners.

99 Atticus Thraxx July 13, 2010 at 3:14 PM

#98, you stopped me cold. Exactly what I was about to write.

100 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Mistakes involving the death of someone by law enforcement is simply unacceptable. It’s really not that difficult to comprehend. Actually, just typing out something like this gives me an uneasy feeling inside. It’s hard to understand the depth of stupidity that some of you have. I don’t know where your minds are, but there are bad cops and good cops. There can be no room for these “mistakes.” Being incapable of understanding why leads one to only conclude the speciality of said “special person.”

101 anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:22 PM

*sniff sniff* I smell tea bags…

102 Deez Nutz July 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Seriously…. A rally for the killer of Oscar Grant????? WOW…

103 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM

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Since it was “a mistake” I guess we can let BP off the hook, too.

One of the reasons we hold law enforcement in high regard is that they have an enormous responsibility towards the public they serve. There’s also a downside to this responsibility as it carries consequences.

Grant is dead, Mehserle feels awful about it if one is to read his apology letter, and a community is inflamed. This is just an awful case and protests, whether in Oakland or Walnut Creek, only serve to infuriate the other side.

104 PM Protection July 13, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Rally to support a man found guilty of taking a life via negligence at a minimum? Are they going to declare it unlawful and surround it with hundreds of LE when the crap hits the fan? We all FEEL for the man but a “rally”?

105 Just a Smith July 13, 2010 at 3:39 PM

I guess that I will put my two cents in now. When does the “BART PD” take responsibility and their lack of training? Second, I am not shocked to see that the Grant family has surrounded themselves with Black Muslims. When is Farrakhan visiting to cause even more trouble in Oakland. I was appalled at the way john burris spoke on TV.

There is my $.02

106 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:42 PM

I wonder how many of you negative soles have ever walked in the shoes of a police officer who must sometimes make split second decisions based on what is confronting them at that immediate moment. We’ve all seen the videos and read all the articles about what could have happend and should have happend, but did Mehserle have the luxury of a year and a half to make his fateful decison to shoot Oscar Grant. Accidents happen every day and unfortuantely Oscar Grant had to suffer the consequenses of this terrible accident. But this is NOT a criminal act whatsoever on the part of Mehserle. Remember folks, it’s not all over until all the appeals reach the California Supreme Court. The jury made their decison and the judge will render a sentence; however many cases are thrown out by the time it reaches the supreme court where I’m sure this case will makes it’s way at some point.

107 the biz July 13, 2010 at 3:43 PM

I’m gonna be outside a lucky’s trying to steal some diapers and fabric softener. Suckas’

108 ConcordCatLady July 13, 2010 at 3:45 PM

Now it’s on the CC TImes. I really hope it doesn’t get too big.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/top-stories/ci_15505986

109 Just Sayin July 13, 2010 at 3:46 PM

I don’t see any injustice here. When you take a job as an armed law enforcement officer, you are expected to know how and when to use your weapons. Grant was unarmed and face-down on the ground. (BTW, can those who clam Grant was armed provide the police report to that effect? I sure can’t.) There was no cause to shoot this man. Mehserle’s training failed him. He clearly made a tragic mistake, and now he must pay the price.

And there are no mitigating circumstances here. If a traffic cop reaches for his ticket book and accidently pulls his gun and shoots you in the face, he goes to jail, right? What if you were speeding, or had previous drunk driving arrests, or were combative? Does any of that excuse the improper use of force? Absolutely not.

110 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 3:52 PM

On SO many levels, this is just a stupid idea. I’m not saying people don’t have the right to do it, but they’re just going to make fools of themselves and possibly cause a lot of damage. Even if it remains peaceful, and it probably will because not too many people are going to take seriously an event the organizers are too chicken to even identify themselves, it will still cause the city of Walnut Creek a lot of money to police the event. Just a really stupid idea …

111 Diablo July 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I’m still wondering what the root reason is for the rally. That you support an accident that cost a human being their life, or you support shooting black people in the back. Help me understand how this will do anything but cause a larger racial divide.

112 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM

#77

Not everything is about race. Unlike you, some of us don’t wake up in the morning worrying about what race we are surrounded by. I am white, but at least 75% of the people I go to school with aren’t. That makes me the minority right? So everytime something happens to me, can I cry racism?

113 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 4:09 PM

This is a stupid idea.

114 Jessie S July 13, 2010 at 4:18 PM

I Can’t find the event or the “Like” button…

115 ClaytonGal July 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM

#98

Exactly what I was going to say

This case has NOTHING to do about race.

It has to do with someone being shot.

And the verdict was correct.

116 ClaytonGal July 13, 2010 at 4:20 PM

#113

Well Said!

I agree

117 abby July 13, 2010 at 4:22 PM

I’m not so sure that these are not people trying to cause more problems. Walnut creek is seen as a rich white city to people who don’t live in or around it. This would be the best place to have it if you are trying to get a race war going. I really think something is up with this, if they really felt strong about supporting him they would go to Oakland.

118 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 4:24 PM

#113

Yes if you are a minority then yes.. Just wait a few more years and if you are a white person you will be a minority group, especially in California..

At that point, there is nothing legally holding you back from getting “minority” benefits which white people have been excluded from. Think about the opportunities that have been excluded if you are “White”

BTW I happen to not be just white, so I think any “color” restrictive groups should be considered racist.

119 just sayin July 13, 2010 at 4:26 PM
120 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 4:27 PM

everyone has the right to freedom of speech. Remember the 1st Amendment?

121 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Rocky R..Take your soory a$$ back to Oakland, Richmond, Antioch or where ever………..
#113 – I say cry racism and see where it gets you. Don’t you know only white people are “racist” agccording to some of the idiots on this blog. Been where you are, except it was in the work place. Boy did I learn in a hurry my “liberal” ways were quite wrong and blacks were just as racist if at times more racist than whites. Most in Claycord have not been around enough black people to discover this. Spend 15+ years between Oakland and Richmond, you will learn. They even had a “Black Employees Federation” but when some tried to start the “Catholic Employees Federation” it was stop because it was racist. Ironic thing about it was most members were Filipino.

122 james July 13, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Support Mehserle?!? this should be called support stupid people protest. picture this: pull out a weapon that weighs 35 oz more than a tazer. do not recognize that it is black and not yellow, that you have to PUSH A SAFTY OFF, then squeeze an eight pound trigger instead of push a button??? all while you are aiming at a person on his back with a cop on his head and knees. this was an exicution, a vile racist murder. a trained officer could not possibly have made this large of a mistake.
p.s. cops are trained not to taiser people who are in contact with other people, electricity flows through bodies. why this was not in the trial i will never know.

123 Listen! July 13, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Forgive but do not forget

124 Shane July 13, 2010 at 4:33 PM

its off Facebook . .. GOOD !!!

125 cagsw July 13, 2010 at 4:33 PM

cowards. Come to Oakland, where it happened.

126 Emily July 13, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Respect for law enforcement, yes — I’m all for it. But there’s a huge difference between a well-trained police officer and a goon with a gun. Should a man who can’t tell whether he’s got a Taser or a gun in his hand have been wearing a badge? He is a lucky man, got every benefit of the doubt from his jury. It beggars belief that anyone could think he was hard done by.

127 Diablo July 13, 2010 at 4:47 PM

The only reason this rally is being held in W.C. is because they don’t want to face any oposition.

128 Jia July 13, 2010 at 5:00 PM

I wonder how many cops will show up to maintain order at this rally?

129 james July 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM

its about TIME!! mehserle was doin the right thing!! he was with a bunch cops there, there was a threat, pirone had every right to hit that guy in the face when he wasnt doing anything!! i mean, you guys seen the video, right? oscar was CLEARLY reaching for a weapon. mehserle WANTED 2 tase him in the beginning but he figured hed do LESS damage with glock. i mean, oscar CLEARLY scared the big guy, and subsequentially, he was shot.

130 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 5:08 PM

im CLEARLY 4 mehserle here. i mean, the guy shed tears for christ sake!! i mean, he didnt shed tears at FIRST, but when it came down close to the verdict, he cried. i feel 4 the big guy… all scared and alone, only 2yrs of training with a taser etc…. come on people, help this INNOCENT cop out!

131 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Hey
I have a good idea. Why not have the rally in downtown Oakland.

132 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM

It’s amazing how ignorant some of the people on here are. Wait until someone accidentally kills you or your family member and then we’ll see where you stand. Justice has been served. That officer got MORE than a fair trial. At the end of the day he is a killer. He killed an innocent man and I can’t support that.

133 thighs of glory July 13, 2010 at 5:51 PM

I wonder how stores will get looted?

134 thighs of glory July 13, 2010 at 5:51 PM

I wonder how many stores will get looted?

135 jeff July 13, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Why, every time some punk is killed doing some thuggy thing do they always say, “He was just starting to get his life together?”
Mehserle is a complete idiot, a total incompetent moron who should be held accountable, but not for murder.
Let’s stop the Freaking rallies and memorials and get on with life. One guy is dead and one will pay one way or another for the rest of his life, deservedly so. Some people lives are so sad and pathetic that they look forward to reasons to gather and feel like they are part of something. All the rallies in the world are not going to bring this guy back or make the cop pay anymore.

136 anon July 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM

I wonder how many people will show up? Probably not to many since the majority of us work.( unlike the oakland idiots.)

137 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM

LOL #86
That is what most criminals say after they get caught. I ran cause i was scared.. The cops will beat me. “NOT IF YOU DON’T RUN OR RESIST”
They run cause they are up to no good.

All a cop has to say is, “I was scared, and I thought he had a gun!” and he gets away with this crap. EVERYTIME! My only surprise is that Mehserle didn’t shoot him 50 times like the boys in blue do here in New York.

138 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Rocky is a joke. It’s another angry “Black Man” Did the verdict include people getting new shoes and shirts in Oakland. Cause they were all black people and happy looking to be taking stuff that didn’t belong to them. Was Foot Locker involved in the shooting? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C’mon really…

139 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Let’s face it, if this were a white boy shot by a black police officer, this would have never went to trial! I think Walnut Creek will be a good peaceful place to have the counter rally. As for doing it in Oakland, that would be stupid for our own good! Things do not go peacefully as a rule in the City of Oakland. Many in Oakland tend to want to do so much destruction and for what? Maybe an excuse to get a new pair of shoes. What did the shop owners do to deserve this savage behavior?

140 anon July 13, 2010 at 7:10 PM

well said #138

141 bubbalicious July 13, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Put all the racism aside. Let’s get back to the facts I have a question OSCAR GRANT LYING ON THE GROUND, 2 POLICE OFFICERS SITTING ON HIM WHAT WAS THE LIFE THREATENING EVENT TO THE OFFICER THAT REQUIRED THE USE OF A WEAPON GUN/ OR TASER?

ANYBODY GOT AN ANSWER? Please expain your thoughts.

142 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Hey people, stop trying to solve the case based on what you hear in the news. Let the courts do the job! There is so much that we don’t hear of in what took place that night. Oscar was up to no good, therefore the police were called. This was a tragic accident period! I so wish that black people would stop being so racist! Like the last person said, “If this were a white boy shot by a black officer, this would have never went to trial”.

143 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Why Walnut Creek? Because Walnut Creek and surrounding cities are generally very supportive of Law Enforcement. Oakland,sadly, is not

144 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM

Good for Walnut Creek for hosting. Kudos to Concord PD for supporting!

145 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 7:34 PM

My thoughts for you #142 is that there is so much more to this case than what we are hearing in the news. You think you know everything but the truth is you don’t! So much more comes out in the court room than what we get in the news. There are other reasons why the jury decided on the manslaughter charge that we don’t know on the outside looking in! Let the court do their job.

146 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 7:40 PM

For #129, probably not many, as they might be called racist.

147 Boy in blue July 13, 2010 at 7:45 PM

The Facebook page is still there but changed from the original “rally in support of Mesherle” to “Rally in support of Mesherle and all Law Enforcement”…. like that will make it easier to swallow. That’s like changing it to rally in support of Jose Canseco and all baseball players. The jury has spoken. Mesherle got punishment for making a gross mistake. Scrub this event! Let’s move on folks.

148 James July 13, 2010 at 7:48 PM

Please someone post a link where Oscar Grant had drugs in his pocket and was drunk and high? He had a blood alcohol level of .02% and had a strong narcotic in his system. It was 2 am so he could have been at a club or bar and no one commented on whether the narcotic was prescription or not. How can you resist arrest with 500lbs of dude sitting on you?

when he was tased he had a 250lb cops knee on his head. I would like to see the link. The only links I see about Oscar grant having drugs on him is in this thread and another similar thread.

149 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 7:51 PM

Hey Rocky R. #105, ever tried going into the military. This may give you the training you need for the real world. I suggest maybe the Marines could work for you.
For #90, well said!

150 Jedediah 10 July 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM

bubbalicious, it looked to me like an inexperienced, nervous cop making a serious mistake. He would have been a complete idiot to just shoot Grant on purpose in front of all those people, so the logical explanation is exactly what the jury saw fit to charge him with. He grabbed the wrong weapon.

If you want to stay completely safe from police harm, don’t do stupid things to draw their attention in the first place. All confrontations with armed police carry risk.

A white guy was shot and killed outside a 7-Eleven in San Ramon recently, in an apparent case of suicide-by-cop. Had he been black, you can be sure a “thorough investigation” for racism would have been launched. But he was white, so they saw it for what it was.

Blacks need to get better martrys than Oscar Grant, O.J. Simpson and Rodney King. There seem to be plenty of cases where racism truly is the motive. Focus on those, not the fluke events.

151 Your Friendly Neighborhood Police Officer July 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM

Absolutely there were Injustices for Mehserle!

1) Mehserle called in sick due to lack of sleep due to caring for his pregnant wife. He is ORDERED by BART to go to work and that no time off is allowed on New Years Eve. Negligence on BART? Absolutely! What happens when you have lack of sleep? IT AFFECTS YOUR DECISION MAKING!

2) Mehserle receives a call to assist on a fight on a train with a hostile crowd. He, ultimately decides AND VERBALIZES he is going to “Taze” Grant, who is not obeying lawful commands and is NOT handcuffed. Mehserle has “weapon confusion” and mistakingly draws his service pistol instead of his taser. Evidence at trial suggests that BART provided minimal training on the tasers and NO training on weapon confusion or scenario training with tasers

3) Mehserle arrested and charged with 1st Degree murder, despite no evidence to support this charge. Why 1st Degree Murder? To appease John Burris, Ron Dellums and the rest of the black community. Fair to Mehserle? Hardly

4) Mehserle has to post $3 Million Bail and shows full cooperation by attending each of his court appearances

5) Mehserle, his family and his BABY receive death threats by “Grant Supporters.” Death threats to a baby? Really?!?!

6) “Grant Supporters” and John Burris continually demanding a conviction for 1st Degree Murder “or else.”

7) Mehserle is convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter and a “Firearm Enhancement.” Two very contradicting terms. How can they say “he didn’t mean to shoot” Grant but he used his firearm, which he is required to do so as an on-duty Police Officer?

8) Mehserle has Oakland’s corrupt politicians working against him.

All in all, everyone has the right to peacefully assemble and express their views. It’s called the 1st Amendment

The liberal news media consistently shows law enforcement in a negative light. Anyone see the pillars of the Oakland Communitybeing interviewed the night of the protest? Anyone else hear the “Die Cop Die” or “Bang Bang Cop Cop” chants being yelled repeatedly?

Yes, Law Enforcement needs YOUR support! See ya all out there on Monday July 19th!

152 Karen July 13, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Are you people kidding me??! Really a rally for a man who willfully & purposefully pulled his gun and killed a man whose hands were handcuffed behind his back!?! For the uninformed ignorant person who said he wasn’t just google it and you will see at least 10 different YouTube vantage points that all show Grant with his hands behind his back!! Mesherle killed Grant because he was still embarrassed by the taunts of his peers!! A black man had just escaped his custody on the last call at the West Oakland Station!! Also why was Grant’s death preceded by Mesherle calling him a bitch ass nigger which was what HE was called by the previous suspect!?!

A better use of time & money would be to host an event for decent police officers who were unfortunately killed in the line of duty like those who were victims of Lovell Mixon!! Or to support minority [police officers who try to bridge the gaps from their community and law enforcement! But “THIS RALLY IS IGNORANT!”

The police should be supported when they behave responsibly and protect & serve ALL OF THE COMMUNITY. Not those who strike fear in the hearts of people of color…not just African Americans but all people of color, Filipino’s, Indian’s & Mexican’s!!

Officers like Mesherle are a disgrace to the uniform and deserve nothing but the sentence’s they receive if not MORE!! The wife of a police officer of color and mother of a police officer of color!! Changing the force from the inside ….is our family motto

@Bubbalicious don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer there have been enough casualties related to this tragedy

153 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 8:31 PM

You are so right that if this were a white you shot by a black cop it wouldn’t have went to trial!!

But not for the reason you think!! The Black Officer would have been IMMEDIATELY placed on leave and or taken into custody his Union provided lawyer would have then advised him to take a plea for at best caswe scenario involuntary manslaughter or at worst case scenario murder 2 don’t tell me I am wrong as I am the wife of a Black Police Officer and this scenario happened to one of my husbands friends…who took option 3 which was to committ suicide and left a note stating lack of support from fellow officers and his white wife!!

154 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Loved the #137 comment.

155 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I liked #148′s comment. Where did it go?

156 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Any chance we can change the rally location to the cities brand new 40 Million Dollar Library?

157 JustMe July 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM

I think it’s funny that everyone is fired up about this shooting… Grant it, it shouldn’t have happened (and i DO believe it was an accident, what person in their right mind would shoot someone in front of so many people) Having that said… If Oscar Grant wasn’t fighting with them in the first place, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!! I don’t feel bad for him at all. It’s called don’t be a criminal & you wouldn’t have negative experiences with the police!

158 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 9:14 PM

this man murdered a young man laying on his back! Why is it so difficult for people to call it what it is…murder!

159 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Wow! support for one who shot & killed an unarmed, handcuffed man in the back because he’s a police officer? BS!!! Must say I’m grateful that justice was served!!

160 bubbalicious July 13, 2010 at 9:22 PM

To Number 146. You obviously think I am so smart, because you sound as if you were offended by the question. Court proceedings were not mentioned in my post. You give me the impression that people who jump to conclusions, those who make judgments about people they don’t even know, and those who tend to classify and categorize people, is what is wrong within our society. You made a judgment about me, you don’t even know me. I think this is the kind of thing most African Americans are complaining about, you make a decision about someone or something and your decision becomes law; however, people are saying that they believe this attitude about them is wrong. My question was based on the video that most of us have seen, it doesn’t require an exemplary ability, or extra smarts, to see what is before our eyes. My question was, (on the video that we have seen), Mr. Grant was on the ground, police officers were holding him down, what was the threat to Mr. Mehserle’s life that required the use of a weapon, of any kind? However, it might take some “smarts” to answer the question. How say you? Also, your judgment of me was based on what? Since you brought the court proceedings to question, do you have an explanation why Mr. Grant’s background was an issue, but Mr. Mehserle’s background was withheld from the jury? Don’t mean to offend you by these questions, but wanna give it a shot? oops! should not have said “shot” huh? Now what does that make me, your honor?

161 Ugh July 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Well if any of my ex-con future-felon family members ever get shot by the “bad” police- Well then- I guess I will finally know how it must feel.

162 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

If grant wouldn’t have reacted the way he did he would have had a short ride home after a night of partying on new years. He set all these events into action by doing what he did.

163 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 9:41 PM

I support Mehserle and law enforcement. He should have been acquitted

164 bubbalicious July 13, 2010 at 9:49 PM

Number 151- Responding to Jedediah 10: I never made any judgment about what happened at the Fruitvale Bart Station, I merely asked a question. I never made any comment about the court proceedings. I take it that you are not African American, otherwise you would not make the statements you are making, it just shows that you, and many other non-African Americans, make judgments about African Americans based on media portrayal of African Americans. Many African Americans have been killed, without provocation, by White police officers, and nothing is ever done about it; its historical and current. African American have had many “martrys other than those you mention, but White people killed them. See what happens when
you start getting racial, and when you don’t know what you’re taking about? I hate to burst your bubble, but white people do “stupid” things that get the police attention also, it’s the treatment by officers that is different. So, don’t think because you are not African American, and because you are not beaten, called derogatory names, and jailed, in many situations, for trumped up charges, that you are better than anyone else. It is just that you are led to believe that you are better, and when you confront people, especially African Americans, you already have your mind made up about them; police officers are human too. So, to put it into proper perspective, you are really, really, truly, no better than anyone else. And, when our society begins to figure that out and understand that, we will be better as a nation. Anyway, the question was not answered.

165 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Maybe Grants Uncle Cephus will come into town and someone will check him for wants and warrants

166 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Anon 164 is an idiot…acquitted… yeah right…..I hope your child gets killed then see how you feel…you ignorant piece of shit

167 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

My son wouldn’t be out running around acting like a jackass, carrying guns,dope and running from the cops. He should have been home being a father to his baby!

168 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM

If young black kids are now idolizing Grant like they do with the other pieces of crap dope dealing parolees, they are screwed. Grants mother raised a gem

169 Accidents will happen July 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Mesherle made a mistake. A human error that could have been made by anyone. If he had been driving a car and put the gear into reverse instead of drive and accidentally killed someone, we would all feel that an investigation should be done, and some disciplinary action, possibly even dismissal, may be appropriate if the officer had some history of sloppy driving. However, no one would be calling it murder, and Mesherle would not spend a day in jail.

This verdict is unjust. Free Mesherle !!!

170 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Lovelle Mixon was someone who had been to jail a number of times. When he was stopped by a traffic officer in Oakland, he fatally shot him and 2 others. A police officer is a human being who gets scared and yes can panic. Everytime they stop someone or go to a call, like the one on New Years eve, they are at risk.
There was no other verdict that the jury could have come to for Mehsrle. At first they had only two options acquittal or murder, the prosecuter immediately realized that it wasn’t a murder and appealed the judge to add vol or invol manslaughter.
The whole thing is sad for all involved. Why are we arguing about this. Everyone has their feelings, but its been decided. I’m hoping for a light sentence for a young man whose life has been ruined.I’m sure many times during this ordeal he would rather have changed places with Oscar Grant.

I firmly believed that if this unfortunate tragedy had not happened, something bigger would have happened and to outside people who were trying to get home from celebrating. And I don’t believe it would have been the police shooting at the public. The bullet that killed Oscar Grant went off and everyone stopped in their tracks.

171 Concerned in Concord July 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM

It saddens me that most of you leaving comments are choosing to live your lives in a bubble and not acknowledge that racism is still very prevelant and REAL. A perfect example of this is the way this trail played out – from the change of venue, to jury selection, painting the victim to be a sterotypical “thug”, the lack of time even deliberating the case (less that 7 hrs) before returning with that verdict that was a slap in the face to Oscar Grant’s family and child.

While I don’t think Meserle woke up that morning with the sole focus of killing someone that day but the bottom line is that is what he did. As an officer of the law he was trained to hand various conflicts and situations and when neccessary to use force. This was not a situation where force was required. All of the “alleged” persons involved with the BART situation where SITTING on the platform. Not running, kicking, punching, spitting – they were SITTING/RESTRAINED. Former Officer Meserle had Oscar Grant in a submissive position – on his stomach asking not to be shot/killed. He showed no signs of trying to get up and avoid arrest HE WAS ON HIS STOMACH WITH NO WEAPON.

Long story short – there is NEVER a valid explanation that you could give me to support an officer TASING or SHOOTING an unarmed person, posing no threat, in the back as the begged for their life. Former Officer Meserle MURDERED a man that night. MURDER!

If it where your son, daughter, sister or brother – regardless of race – and it happened to you what how would you feel? You want justice and I think we can all agree that the Grant family did not get the justice that they deserved.

172 Justice July 13, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Free Mesherle!

173 dave July 13, 2010 at 10:56 PM

I just wanna know why Mesehrle quit his job and skipped town for five days immediately following the incident? I know if I had accidentally shot someone during the course of duty, I would have stuck around and answered all questions. Unless I was on drugs or something…and then I’d skip town for 5 days to let them get out of my system…oh ya, and quit my job so I wouldn’t have to answer any questions or piss in a cup. I’m just sayin’…

174 RACE ISSUE July 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Unfortunately most cops are white and…well…most criminals are not white, so it will ALWAYS be a race issue (unless of course, you are from Montana or some other hick state. Then it might even out a little).

175 SSQ July 13, 2010 at 11:18 PM

All these comments are so disturbing. I am not an African-American, but it doesn’t matter because in the big picture I am human, we are all human, part of the same family.
A young man was killed, an officer was convicted, families have been destroyed and we are talking about a rally in Walnut Creek. Give me a break. My husband is an officer. Why would anyone want to support and ex-officer that did not do his job to the best of his ability. He did not protect Oscar’s civil rights, he took his due process away.
I want to support the officers out there trying to do the right thing everyday. Mehserle is no longer a law enforcement officer, as I remember correctly he resigned and pled the 5th. (Totally his right)
Oscar was a trouble maker and had his issues, but based on his record he would never have received the death penalty.
Tragedy, is all I can say for both parties.
A mistake that took a life and a life that made some mistakes.
So sad, but please no rally…..

176 justice July 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM

I now like Walnut Creek.

177 anon July 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM

skip town….he has a child and family who is under the threat of death, hell I’d get out of town, too.

178 anon July 13, 2010 at 11:30 PM

forgot….these aren’t normal people these are criminals that are making these threats…druggies, idiots that carry guns and shoot people of course, I would get out.

179 Anonymous July 13, 2010 at 11:48 PM

Well said #152, “your friendly neighborhood police officer”. I thank you and the other men and women in blue. You have many supporters out there. Keep up the good work you all do.

180 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 12:46 AM

@#174 Thank you for reminding all the Mesherle supporters that this man who claims he made a mistake…it was just an accident…sleep deprivation due to the birth of his newborn child caused tragedy!! Ok I know I am African American and am supposed to be stupid, however aside from the fact that I and everyone in my household holds a BA, MBA & I personally have a PMP certification( I am a 3rd generation college graduate & my children are the 4th!)….but even my great great grandfather who was the son of a slave & slave owner could figure this out!! How could he have been sleep deprived from the birth of his newborn child when said child was not born until January 2, 2009!?! Not to mention that in the early hours of January 2nd 2009 before said child was born Mesherle actually had the frame of mind to quit his job and leave his pregnant girlfriend (NOT his wife they are still not married) who was in labor about to have their 1st child alone to drive to the state of Nevada because of alledged death threats to his unborn child!! If that were true wouldn’t you take the pregnant girlfriend with you? Does that sound like an innocent man?
I admit that some very disturbed people started to threaten the life of his newborn and girlfriend after that stupid sleep deprived defense was put into play and hopefully they were punished!!
But the truth of the matter is it was MURDER!! if you listen to the tapes he exclaimed O shit and turned to look at the folks on the train…at which point Bart Officers began to confiscate camera’s & cellphones from people near by. I guess at some point the idiots realized there would be no way to cover this up!
My friends husband is a Black Bart Police Officer (yes they do exist) and he said that none of the officers of color Hispanic or Black believed Mesherle’s or Perrone’s story .
For those of you who don’t understand why African Americans, Filipinos & Mexican’s fear the police and this verdict try an experiement dress (use make up & wigs) to dress as someone of one of those races & see how you are treated!
Oscar may have been a thug and that was not cool but they didnt even have a chance to run his ID and find that out before he was shot!! I for one as a mother of African American men (my young men are college educated & never been in trouble with the law) but still I panic when they are out on holiday’s & weekends because if the description goes out that a black man is being unruly they are suspects even if they say the person is like 5’5 and my young men are 6ft & 6ft 4 !!
I know this to be true!! in the 80′s I watched my off duty highway patrol officer father be pulled over with his family in the back of his newly purchased BMW because some black man light skinned around 5 ft 7 inches stole bread from safeway & got away in a brown station wagon!! My father is 6 ft 4 inches and extremely dark skinned!! The officers treated him horribly until they found out he was an off duty highway patrol officer and actually had the nerves to tell him not to carry his gun when off duty!!
So folks you see that’s why this is bigger than Oscar Grant!!!
What about Denis Bell …what about the black couple in New Jersy professional couple shot in error as they resembled a couple the police were looking for …what about the black off duty officer shot down by 3 of his peers 2 blocks from the station as he chased a white suspect; he was in plain clothes. The suspect got away the officer died!! His peers said they thought he was the perp!!
As a black person I want the madness to stop!!
I want good police officers of all races to be celebrated and bad ones sent to jail!! I want to be able to rest on weekends & holidays without worrying about whether or not the men in my life will be shot because they are Black or Mexican!!

181 Mehserle Go Free July 14, 2010 at 12:56 AM

I will be at this rally in full support of Mehserle. Its time that people stop fighting our law enforcement and top making this a race issue. Its always the blacks that jump all over the fact that it was a white guy that shot a black guy. What about our four fellow law enforcement brothers killed last year because a black man didn’t want to go back to jail. After a week everyone forgot about them. Even when they were killed in Oakland the media still said that the cops murdered him inside that apartment. Mehserle made a horrible mistake and its time that we stop saying well if he hadn’t made the mistake this wouldn’t have happened.

How about if Grant would of not been a douche bag and not resisted and supported his family instead of doing time in jail and being a low life then he wouldn’t be dead. Grant was eventually gonna end up dead with his lifestyle.

I SUPPORT MEHSERLE AND I THINK ITS AN OUTRAGE TO ADD THIS GUN ENHANCEMENT!!. I understand Mehserle needs to “pay for the injustice to Grant” but he should get probation like the other dirt bags in the state. How about the guy that gets busted for drugs and is out the next day. How about the guy that steals and hurts family businesses but gets to walk free. This is a political move by the DA and it should not have been done. I will be there gladly voicing my opinion on this case and I hope to see people turn out. Unlike the anarchist in Oakland we will protest peacefully at this shame been done to the Mehserle. All cops already wonder if they mistake are they going to be sued now they must wonder if they use their weapons are they going to be sent to prison and given more time for having a gun that they are required to carry.

182 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 9:21 AM

#181, Thank you for pointing out that you are AFRICAN-AMERICAN, not just American. You are no more “African American” as I am European-American. We are ALL AMERICANS! By you labeling yourself as such, you are instantly seperating yourself from others.

Which brings me to another point. Why do we have BET (Black Entertainment Television)? Yet if there was a WET (White Entertainment Television) we caucasions would be labeled racists? How about the “Negro College Fund?” Where’s the White College Fund? How about the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)? My point is, where and when does it end? As long as we have these seperatist groups and people calling themselves _________-American’s, we will continue to be divided. We are doing it to ourselves and we have no one else to blame.

Signed

An American

183 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 9:27 AM

Dave #174,

Mehserle was given advice by his, then, attorney not to speak to anyone regarding this incident. It is his right. It is debatable whether he was given correct advice, but nonetheless, it was given and he followed it. Police Officers do have a Bill of Rights (set of laws) enacted and approved by legaslature, protecting Police Officers under certain circumstances. Mehserle didn’t “skip town” as our liberal media may have portrayed. He was arrested, jailed, posted bail and attended each and every appearance as was required of him. Again, just another “injustice” to Mehserle by having these misconceptions and outright lies played out in the media.

Free Mehserle!

184 Copper July 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM

#181, I suggest putting that BA, MBD Doctorate or whatever degree you have attained to good use and reread the prior posts and/or trial transcripts. No one ever said Mehserle was sleep deprived because his wife had a baby. As a previous poster pointed out, Mehserle had been caring for his “pregnant” wife and hadn’t slept in over 24 hours. He called in sick because he felt he was unfit for duty that evening. Probably a correct call to make, considering he is a Police Officer and all. Unfortunately, he was ordered to work. This was not Mehserle’s sole defense but certainly could have played one part in his mindset and decision making that tragic evening. And yes, I am a Cop. If I am up for over 24 hours due to unforseen circumstances, I will choose to take a sick day and not put myself or others at risk. Just my .02

185 Lejaie July 14, 2010 at 10:02 AM

This is a lose-lose situation all of the way around. Yes, he claims to have pulled out the “wrong” weapon, however, if an accident occurs, there is still a responsible party. A man is dead, a child is fatherless and parents are childless; someone needs to be held accountable for this death. It seems like the officer is trying to become a victim here, when clearly he is the one who was NOT victimized. Mr. Grant’s life is worth whatever Officer Mehserle’s life is also worth. How much time would Mr. Grant have received for opening fire, endangering others, and MURDERING Mr. Mehserle? That’s the exact sentence Mr. Mehserle deserves, no more, no less.

186 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 10:07 AM
187 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 10:18 AM

#152 Yesterday I thought WTF why WC. Today after reading your post I’m thinking why not WC. See you on Monday, and thank you for your service!

188 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 10:35 AM

#188 Yeah sounds nice but, can you only imagine how the people in Oakland will respond??

189 John Burris Hater July 14, 2010 at 10:50 AM

“That only shows the demographic,” said Attorney John Burris. “If they came to Oakland they may have a confrontation they do not want to have.” so, Mr. Burris, you’re saying the fine people of oakland would do what, Mr. Burris?? Is this a threat against people who want to peacefully assemble and express their 1st Amendment Rights? Aren’t you a “civil rights” attorney.What exactly are implying with this comment? if this statement came from a caucasion attorney about Oakland,You’d be crying “racism.” Mr. Burris, you are quite the joke and a piss-poor example to the black youth in your community.

190 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 10:52 AM

#189. Doubt anyone from Oak-Town will show up. Besides, there will be plenty of off-duty coppers there with their friends, Smith and Wesson

191 anon July 14, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Well said #152. Thanks for evertyhing you do ,and everyone in blue.

192 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Nobody from Oakland will show up. They know that Walnut Creek mont put up with any of their bullshit. Stay in Oakland and rob from your own community that you have turned into a shithole. I’m so tired of this being such a race issue. Obviously Grants family hates the whites. So is it wrong for us whites to hate the blacks?

193 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Can we get over the “child without a father” crap….Oscar Grant didn’t give a rats ass about that kid. If he did he would have been home with the kid instead of causing problems on BART. When you become a parent your party life is suppose to be over. Obviously he never got the memo. Heck he had a new girlfriend which means he wasn’t with the kids mother, more than likely not paying child support. And I wonder when he last saw the kid.

194 Cecelia July 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM

This has to be the craziest idea anyone has come up with in the history of man! Do we really want to start a race war? Everyone needs to be held accountable for his or her own actions and Mesherle has been. Now, each person posting on this blog needs to take a long hard look at their motives and decide what direction this should go in…

195 sheridan July 14, 2010 at 11:59 AM

How interesting. Just remember, WCPD might shoot if you don’t obey them. About 10 years ago a local “bad boy” (white by the way) got in the back down by Nordies on Christmas Day when he failed to “Halt, Put Your Hands Up.”
I am not part of WCPD, but any action other than a totally peaceful protest is probably ill advised.

196 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 12:03 PM

I have a dream that one day I will live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character!!!! ML

Well Oscar Grant, I’m judging you by the content of your character that night.

197 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 12:11 PM

I’m going in support of our men and women in blue. So many of you people that post on here obivously have problems with obeying the law. It’s not very hard to know the difference between right and wrong, but I think alot of people that post on here have issues with someone telling them what to do. I’m not going to even mention Grant and his loser family, let alone his retarted uncle. Anyway, we should support our people in blue. Would you rather have it with no laws and no law enforcement? Because that it what it seems to alot of folks on here.

198 Retired Cop July 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM

“The officers treated him horribly until they found out he was an off duty highway patrol officer and actually had the nerves to tell him not to carry his gun when off duty!!”

No cop would ever had said that to another cop.

199 I support law enforcement July 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM

I will be there….A tragic accident does not justify a conviction.

200 So Annoyed July 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM

I am getting so tired of the race card always being pulled out. Everytime “they” feel like they have been treated unfair they claim it is because of race and they just want to be treated equal. But the truth is they want MORE!! They want to be treated better than equal. The Oakland Mayor is going to help them take this to the next level if they are not satisfied with the verdict. They want to protest and speak out about their anger over the verdict, but they think it is ridiculous for those that support the other side to have their own rally. We are all intitled to our own opinions right?? Or is it just “the black man” that gets to speak out.

201 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 12:56 PM

“A tragic accident does not justify a conviction”

Uh, yeah. It does. Review the laws related to involuntary manslaughter.

202 Justice July 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM

I’ll be there. Free Mehserle! Let him go home to his wife and baby!

203 Mustang Mom July 14, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Justice I totally agree.

204 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 1:35 PM

#183 you do have WET – it’s called CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC. You’ve also got the KKK as an advocacy group – sounds like you might know a lil bit about that huh??? The White College Fund – ya know that George W. Bush lil thingee- those that’s got the gold gets in????

205 Your Friendly Neighborhood Police Officer July 14, 2010 at 1:37 PM

#202, I believe what most people, including cops, are upset with is the gun enhancement charge, which should not have been an option in jury instructions should the jury find JM guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

Here’s the problem; By definition, the gun enhancement section states that a person should be found guilty of the crime if they “personally and intentionally discharged a firearm” while committing a felony. Well, by convicting him of involuntary manslaughter suggests the jury believed Mehserle thought he had his Taser in his hand when he pulled the trigger and did not mean to fire his firearm. The two convictions contradict themselves. Additionally, Mehserle was working as an on-duty Police Officer at the time and he was required to carry his firearm in the performance of his duties.

Again, Mehserle was overcharged from the beginning by the DA so they could shield themselves from an uprising in Oakland from it’s citizens and racially biased leaders. This charge required Mehserle to post $3 MILLION bail, an excessive amount for an overcharged crime. We as citizens are protected against unreasonable bail by the 8th Amendment to the Constitution. This would not be ok for an ordinary citizen so the same protections should apply to an on-duty Police Officer, who clearly made a horrible and tragic mistake.

My prediction is the gun enhancement gets thrown out and Mehserle is sentenced to the mid-term sentence of 36 months, which includes time served. Mehserle will be out in a little over a year and will have to, somehow, rebuild his life. There will be a federal investigation but no charges will be brought due to lack of sufficient evidence. Michael Rains is an excellent attorney and he knows what he is doing.

If you look at the demographics of Oakland (White Officers versus Black citizens), the loss of 80 Officers, the increasing crime rate, there is bound to be another Officer Involved Shooting with this racial makeup. I would not want to be a cop in Oakland with these statistics working against me. Nor would I want to work in an area if, God forbid, I had to use my firearm, I would not be put under such a huge microscope by crooked politicians and racially biased lawyers!

Yes, I believe firmly there were many injustices which occurred to Former Officer Mehserle. He should have the same protections afforded to all citizens.

206 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM

#202, review the laws related to the gun enhancement

207 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 1:48 PM

He has more than enough protections – he shot and killed a guy and won’t do much time – he’ll probably have his own TV show…..

208 TreoBART July 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Rallying in support of the killer not unheard of, so quit pretending this is shocking and wrong. 40 people marched down MLK calling Lovelle Mixon a hero after he killed four Oakland officers last March.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6728974

Freedom of speech applies to everyone, not just the “right” side.

209 Forest July 14, 2010 at 2:56 PM

Hey everybody we’re gonna have a rally! Get you best sheets on and come on down to the court house on Monday!

210 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM

There’s a run on them at Wal-Mart!!!

211 Girl July 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Why are we convicting people who drink and drive! Isn’t it an accident to get in a car and drive. The same way it is to take out a loaded pistol, in a crowded area. Regardless of what his intentions were he killed a man, that posed no threat to him or his fellow officers. There was not a reason to pull out a taser. What would have happen if innocent people were killed! He is an idiot and deserves to pay the price. I hope his face is forever remembered and he can never go anywhere without being recognized.

212 anon July 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM

This could get interesting now since this story has now been picked up by

SF Gate.com and msnbc.com

Could get the national tea party folks out here to support the protest.

Wonder if our local heroes like Mark Peterson will be there to represent?

213 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM

There is just no reasoning with ignorant people.

See you at the rally!

Free Mehserle!

214 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Girl, Huh? Try again. You make no sense

215 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Hey Forest I bought my sheets at Macys’. See you there.

216 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 6:48 PM

SUPPORT THE POLICE

217 Apples July 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM

I totally support him! I say we free him, give him his job back and give him a trophy. He is cleaning up trash. Good job JM!

218 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Will city issue a permit for the rally?

219 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 7:25 PM

#218 I bet JM would taze you if you said that to his face. His defence is trying to distance him as far as they can from people like you.

220 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 7:55 PM

They don’t need a permit. It’s called the 1st Amendment!

221 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Girl, You have some messed-up logic. Perhaps you need to get your head out of your ass before you try to think. You Moron!

222 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Tase ‘em all bro!
These protesters need to get shutdown just like the oakland anarchists should have been.
Exercise your first amendment rights… Write a letter to the judge! I don’t want to see or hear your crap on the streets.

223 Just a blue suit July 14, 2010 at 8:46 PM

152, I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

224 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Free Mesherle!!!

225 Anonymous July 14, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Viva Mehserle!

226 SSQ July 15, 2010 at 12:16 AM

Girl, What the H@#$? Please next time you comment change your name. And to your best ability try to sound intellegent or else we’ll know it’s you….Getting a DUI is not an accident….Duh!!!

227 Richard July 15, 2010 at 12:48 AM

The rally is from 2pm-7pm on Monday July 19th at the Walnut Creek Courthouse on Ygnacio Valley Road.

maybe a poster in Oakland to let others come over and protest with you butt holes. What a dumb ass you guys are. He shot a person right or wrong you dont praise someone for that. Want to help him work at a food bank or your local school.

228 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 3:26 AM

This is a bad looking deal all the way around. I won’t even go into the “crimes”. That has been discussed pretty much ad nauseum here already. Certainly tragic for all parties concerned. I think the verdict was right, but I do feel the gun enhancement is total bs. If that stands, it will certainly be appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. Just think of how adamently law enforcement organizations nationwide would fight that issue.

I think the rally is a very bad idea. Even if it goes smoothly, it paints our whole community with a very broad brush as being inflammatory and insensative to our neighbors across the hills. I don’t think it will do anything to change what is going to happen at sentencing or have any real consequence to Mehserle and his family. It will just be a show for the news cameras. Now, if it goes bad, will showing your support be worth the possible consequences of additional people being hurt or widespread property damage? Not to mention the additional cost to an already budget strapped city in providing security for such an event. And just think of this, does WCPD have the manpower and training necessary to handle the worst case scenario? I hate to say it, but I don’t think so. If it does happen, there WILL be counter-protesters and probably outside agitators who would love to see a racially based shitstorm occur in downtown Walnut Creek.

If you really want to support Mehserle and his family, donate to his legal defense fund or his family fund. I’m not really sure if they exist, if they don’t maybe someone should consider starting them. If you want to support local law enforcement, attend community meetings and maybe contribute to their benevolent funds. But PLEASE if you are considering attending this rally, think again. It can only lead to more trouble and division in our beloved community.

229 aiych July 15, 2010 at 7:54 AM

how do any of you know that he had drugs on him? you realize that whites deal and consume illegal drugs at a higher rate–almost 3x the rate– than blacks but they are just less likely to get arrested for it. and how do you know that he doesn’t care about his child? Do people never leave the house once they have kids or something, bc you act like just because he was not at home that he was a horrible father.

He should’ve gotten a harsher sentence, he got off too easy. I’m sure he’ll have good company with the skinheads in jail. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see him in a white robe after he is freed.

230 ConcordCatLady July 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM

Just checked – as of now it’s up to 94 confirmed just on the FB page. I suspect by Monday this could turn into quite a scene.

231 WC Mom July 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Is it true that the group from Oakland ” Justice for Oscar Grant” are also, planning to attend rally? Will the WCPD have more officers on duty this day & night? Wanting to go to the rally but, I’ve got kids and wonder if it will be safe?

232 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM

So…a professionally trained police officer accedentally shot a handcuffed suspect. So…what injustice has the officer experienced. It’s okay to be deprived of life, liberty, and property without due process?

233 Mr. Mayor July 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM

He wasn’t handcuffed.

234 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 10:31 AM

You commit the crime, you do the time. Meserle Killed Grant. That’s all there is to it. Grant was Unarmed!

235 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM

This was never about race until John Burris got involved. The black community seized and media took this issue and blew it into this huge race mess.

Stop saying Saint Oscar was handcuffed. He was NOT HANDCUFFED. He was in the process of being handcuffed but was disobeying lawful commands (not the 1st time for ol’ Oscar) by a Police Officer. He was even warned he would be tazed (by the way, a taser is on the same use of force continuum as pepper spray, impact weapons and body strikes).

236 Larrabee July 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM

I wouldn’t call him a professionally-trained police officer either.

237 anon July 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Bad idea WC! Supporting Killers?

238 David July 15, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I’m not going to even use the term “African-American” or any other ________-American any longer. How about just plain “American.” You are no more “African-American” as I am “Canadian-American.” By putting the hyphen in your ethnic “title” you are automatically seperating yourself from others, by your own choice. Until we stop hyphenating ourselves we will continue to be divided

239 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Mr. Mayor why are you putting the handcuffs on the story about the 4 CVHS robbers? You were one the first to report it why not cover an ongoing story?

240 Enuff is Enuff July 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Anon 233..He was not cuffed at the time he was shot. l suggest you learn to read. There were also drugs found on “his person” according to the police reports.
Anon 226…Who give a crap what our “neighbors over the hills” think. Most of Oakland is so low on the socio-economic scale that don’t know how to think. And the ones that were higher on the scale got the hell out of there long ago.
Bottom line – Mehserle made a mistake and now he has to pay for it. He was convicted. If Grant’s family doesn’t like it perhaps they need to look at the live dear littly Oscar lead as he was going to be dead in a short amount of time no matter what.
Amazing yo don’t see people protesting in Pinole about the fact the PD shot some one in the back a couple of months ago…..Oh yeah he was white so it doesn’t matter. It’s seems the only time people get unhinged is when it is a black person. Like Lovell Mixon, Oscar Grant lived a criminals life and dies a criminals death. Same as the guy in Pinole and the same as the guy who was recently shot over on Hillsborough. By the way, where are the protesters rioting and looting in Concord over the shooting of the guy on Hillsborough????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…Nope he wasn’t black.

241 Diablo July 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM

For the protection of police I guess they should just shoot people in the car before aproaching when making a traffic stop. You never know if the person in the car has a weapon……Right?

242 Fred July 15, 2010 at 1:17 PM

“by the way, a taser is on the same use of force continuum as pepper spray, impact weapons and body strikes).”

Impact weapons can kill people– pepper spray & Tasers do not.

243 Fred July 15, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Tasers can potentially kill people. Sorry posters, I am slow.

244 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Diablo if you are a cop in the “Avenues” or “flatland” of Oakland or anywhere in Richmond the answer to your question would be “YES”!!!!!

245 Deal with it July 15, 2010 at 5:56 PM

“Tasers can potentially kill people”

Those people that died all had drugs in them & would have died from the drugs without being tazed. Doing drugs is illegal & not doing what the cops tell you to do is illegal. Good people do not viollate the law or do drugs or fight the cops…. & therefore do not get tazed. That is all you need to know.

246 Richard July 15, 2010 at 7:18 PM

Concord PD let’s not waste our resources here and going to WC. Let the city pay for there own security. This is so stupid it brings the thinking that a thug would do or say

247 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Fred, WATER can potentially kill people

248 Anonymous July 15, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Diablo, Come back when you can make some sense and use some logic. Otherwise stay on the other side of the hill

249 anonymous July 16, 2010 at 12:10 AM

Grant WAS handcuffed!

250 Balu July 16, 2010 at 5:52 AM

There is no credible information to suggest Mr. Grant was a “Thug.” Desecrating the dead is wrong.
It is true, the DA misled the jury with instructions on firearms enhancements.

The jury was instructed with:

CALJIC 17.19 — Personal use of a firearm. (“The term “personally used a firearm,” as used in this instruction, means that the defendant must have intentionally displayed a firearm in a menacing manner, intentionally fired it, or intentionally struck or hit a human being with it.”)

as a possible verdict choice along with involuntary manslaughter; this misled the jury. This instruction was error, and Judge Perry allowed it, ADA Stein did not object. It allowed the Jury to entertain the possibility of an enhancement conviction when none is possible. Thus they felt they were giving him more serious convictions. Any lay jury will guess an enhancement yields more time. Thier verdict was thought to be in between Man 1 and Man 2. They were initially attempting to aggravate to Man 1 by using “heat of passion” the opposite way; that fact is mitigating to murder 2, not aggravating from Man 2 to Man 1. The Jury was instructed improperly there as well; evidence that Stein was letting the defendant off is seen by the fact he allowed the judge to instruct on “heat of passion” as emotionally charged circumsatnce that could be caused by others than the victim. Clear proof that Stein let the defendant off with Man 2 is seen by the instructional error that cannot be appealed by the prosecution, as any error is waived by lack of objection; and of course, the DA cannot appeal a guilty verdict, since jeopardy has already attached.
Thus, the only rational conclusion is the DA put on a show trial, knowing the defendant could do no worse than Man 1; and created erroneous instructions leading the Jury to think that Man 2 would yield more time than it did, allowing for a greater likelihood of a conviction there; a likelihood increased by the poor presentation of state of mind evidence that would have proven the voluntary aspects of Man 1.

What needs to be understood here is this could have never been a complete accident without malice. That is because the defendant could have applied mechanical restraint to a non-resisting suspect with hands behind his back; instead he rose to bravely electrocute the suspect; and in the process “swapped” with Sig Sauer P226; this is of course very unlikely, but reasonable doubt requires us to believe this without other proof; (highly unlikely because the defendant fired his 9mm many times at the range; it weighs three times as much; and I am biased as to this because I have owned the exact same Sig Sauer P226, and it is not only very heavy, you know you are holding a powerful lethal weapon; it is nearly impossible to believe the weapon could be confused with a light Taser weighing 1/3 as much; this was not a Glock 19. Go to Target Masters in Milpitas, rent these guns, fire them, and see for yourself; then order a Taser for $250 online, now freely available, and compare. There are rare situations when a gun does seem lighter, however). So even with all reasonable doubt, there was malice; that is because the defense admits an attempt to use the Taser. There was no cause for use of the Taser. The suspect was face down and not resisting; it is disturbing that Mr. Rains brought in Mr. Schott, a video expert to lie to the Jury and testify that the victim had “punched” the defendant; Mr. Schott being one of the experts from the Simi Valley trial that helped aquit Koon and his thugs, ultimately leading to 100 innocent deaths. The defense brought in men with blood on their hands. Again, to desecrate the dead, to portray a young man killed in front of an audience of 500, as the aggressor, without any real proof, is sacrilege. At the time of the shot fired, the victim was not resisting in any way. Thus, the defendant’s choice to rise and fire, rather than apply restraints to a man with hands behind his back, in itself constitutes a crime, even if we assume it was a Taser being fired. That is because in CA:
Penal Code 244.5. (a) As used in this section, “stun gun” means any item, except a taser, used or intended to be used as either an offensive or defensive weapon that is capable of temporarily immobilizing a person by the infliction of an electrical charge.
(b) Every person who commits an assault upon the person of another with a stun gun or a taser shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for 16 months, two, or three years.
(c) Every person who commits an assault upon the person of a peace officer or firefighter with a stun gun or taser, who knows or reasonably should know that the person is a peace officer or firefighter engaged in the performance of his or her duties, when the peace officer or firefighter is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a term not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the county jail for a term not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years.
(d) This section shall not be construed to preclude or in any way limit the applicability of Section 245 in any criminal prosecution.

The victim was not resisting in any way that could even remotely justify use of a Taser. Thus, the potential felony above was committed even with the defense’s excuse defenses.

It should be noted, that Taser’s are sub-lethal, and capable of producing death in people that have heart defects, such as murmurs.

Also, the mentally ill may be severely harmed by a Taser. These are not toys to assault people with for sadistic pleasure. It is a crime to misuse a Taser. Thus, a review of the numerous videos available online of the shooting leaves no doubt that defendant Johannes, now a felon, had no reason to fire the Taser when he could have applied the handcuffs and neutralized any threat; any rational person can see he is guilty of PC 244.5 at the least. This malice and intention to assualt means mens rea culpa is there, and Johannes must be punished for his own dignity. There is no defense of “accident” here. The only possible “accident” was the choice of weapon. The finding of negligence applies not only to that lack of necessary distinction (if some policeman runs a red light, and has perfect vision and color distinction, and a child coming home from school is killed, even if it is an accident, meaning not intentional, or voluntary, would a rational Jury say there was no negligence?) but the underlying criminal conduct under PC 244.5. Were this statute not available, one could even charge torture:
torture involves the intent to inflict severe pain; a Taser does just that; and the injuries need not be all that severe:
See People v. Pre (2004) 117 Cal.App.4th 413, 420. (“[California Penal Code] Section 206 does not require permanent, disabling, or disfiguring injuries; “[s]ection 206 only requires ‘great bodily injury as defined in Section 12022.7’…. ‘Abrasions, lacerations and bruising can constitute great bodily injury.’
There are factors in the use of a Taser unlawfully without any defensive purpose that support a torture charge; the indisputable facts caught on tape present only one conclusion: If Johannes did not want to assualt the victim Grant, there would have been no death. The assault was voluntary-there was a crime; perhaps the killing involuntary; of course, only one man knows the truth. SInce he can’t be retried, he should tell the truth.
And new technology needs to be developed to prevent the frewquent “accidents,’ especially those involving Glock/Taser mix ups-both plastic, lightweight weapons.
As to those that ridicule Oakland as ignorant and socioeconomically worse off than the suburbs, they are sadly mistaken. The “hood” home prices are the same as the median prices in Walnut Creek or Concord; and North Oakland, such as Montclair, Piedmont area, Crocker Highlands, Trestle Glen, are far higher end than Walnut Creek or Concord with a very high level of education and income; the areas less well off are more blue collar because they operate the port and shipping systems, for example, that serve the bay area; someone has to do these jobs, they do not pay as much. However, people in East Oakland are far from poor, and it is not a real “ghetto.” The youth are also highly intelligent; the asians and blacks are no less educated than average suburban youth. It is ignorant to insult them, after they all feel insulted by what they perceive to be a “public execution.” Most people that speak poorly of minority races never grew up around diverse populations, and thus feel nothing towards other people. Living near Piedmont, having beern to Berkeley, with many African Americans in the area (20%) I can tell you this all felt very unhealthy to people of color. Rather than “support” Johannes, you should be paying your respect to the victim(s), all young men of color; it was due to hate this thing started. A blonde hair blue eyed boy, like the dozens that live near me, would not have been subject to electrocution under the circumstances; would not have been exposed to the lethal Sig Sauer. This all begins with aggravated agression and rage towards a black in East Oakland; this is also called xenophobia. Johannes most likely also has the violence gene; one can be equally xenophobic to his Van Der Sloot type family tree.

251 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 6:21 AM

I’ll support the police before I would EVER support a criminal. And before Oscar Grants family decided to show up ,and I’m sure cause problems, I think this would have been a peaceful rally.

252 Mehserle Supporter July 16, 2010 at 6:42 AM

Johannes Mehserle needs our support. If “they” can do it, so can “we”.Hellooooooo, Oscar was resisting arrest! THUGGGG! He didnt deserve to die, yes. It was an accident. Horrible one. Johannes will have to live with this the rest of his life. W.C will not thrash their town. The monkeys in da hood are no good pieces of &*_^%!

253 Cowellian July 16, 2010 at 7:46 AM

Grant was NOT handcuffed at the time he was shot.

254 Fre July 16, 2010 at 8:40 AM

“Fred, WATER can potentially kill people”

If I put your head in it– sure…if I threw it at you from 21 feet– not…

Grant was not handcuffed. Also he had a gun in the San Leandro incident weeks before– but the Officer was not allowed to say that in the trial.

255 Oscar Grant Supporter July 16, 2010 at 10:18 AM

SO OSCAR WAS NOT HANDCUFFED WHEN HE GOT SHOT BUT HE WAS HANDCUFFED AFTER HE GOT SHOT. TO THE PERSON THAT SAID ONCE YOU HAVE A KID YOU CANT GO OUT ANYMORE DO YOU HAVE KIDS, EVERYBODY GOES OUT AFTER THEY HAVE KIDS IF THEY DIDNT NOBODY WOULD BE OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT A KILLER IS JUST WRONG HE KILLED OSCAR GRANT, AND IS NOT EVEN SOORY FOR IT. THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL BEACUSE IT WAS COUGHT ON TAPE. IF IT WAS NOT THE COPS WOULD HAVE MADE UP SO MUCH MORE STUFF TO JUSTIFY THERE ACTIONS. IF NONE OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE EVER HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH A COP YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE AS A MEXICAN FEMALE THE COPS TREAT US LIKE WERE TRASH JUST BECAUSE WHERE WE LIVE, GREW UP, ETC…

THIS RALLY. PROTEST WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS NOT RIGHT. WALNUT CREEK IS JUST ASKING FOR BAD STUFF TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE ARE BAD WHITE PEOPLE TOO THAT MAY JUST START PROBLEMS THAT ARE FOR MEHSERLEY SO IT WONT JUST BE GRANT SUPPPOTERS.

AND FOR ALL U PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING HE DESERVED TO BE KILLED CUZ HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ANYWAYS. YOU HAVE NO HEART AND ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE PEOPLE IN PRISON FOR MURDER AND SHOULD BE IN JAIL OR DEAD. WE DONT NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU OUT HERE.

(SO WHAT IF I WROTE IN ALL CAPS IN PISSED OFF WITH YOU IGNORINT PEOPLE)

256 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Balu, it is obvious both sides will never agree on this matter. Police Officers can put themselves in Mehserles mindset due to their prior experience and training while it is difficult for others to do so. Do you remember the prosecution witness who testified under cross exam that he once had an occasion, due to the stress of the situation, that he didn’t realize he had his firearm in his hand?

I wasn’t there (neither were you) so I can’t make the call on whether taser use was appropriate at the time. However, evidence supports these officers were clearly outnumbered by a hostile crowd. Some clearly agitated after being in a fight on the train. Some of the crowd (blacks) were throwing around the N-word like it was no big deal. The officers were called to this chaotic scene by concerned citizens and the train operator. There is no evidence from Mehserles personnel file or prior history with BART, or in his background that he was or in anyway racist. The Oakland black community, the corrupt politicians and inept John “the rug” Burris successfully made this into a race issue.

Grant served two prison terms, had a prior gun and dope possession and had alcohol and fentanyl (a synthetic heroin) in his blood system when he was shot. This, in my book, makes him a “thug.”

257 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Oscar Grant Supporter,

These people have just as much right to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights as anyone else. Go look up what 1st Amendment is! Also, which side did you support when Mixon murdered the 4 Oakland Officers? Did you march in support of Mixon? I certainly didn’t see Ol St John “the rug” Burris offering any support to the families of the four murdered police officers

258 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Prison guards union members will take care of Mehserle while he’s inside, he’s a celebrity to them.

259 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Anon 257 – you nailed it. People are to ignorant to see that the black can be just as , if not more so racist as other people. For the most part Red Dellum, John Burriss and the minions that follow them are nothing more than racist themselves. And I have on more than one occasion heard blacks throw the N word around. Of course these are not educated working blacks doing it. It is something only heard from the mouths ghetto thug, Ebonics speaking blacks, people like Oscar Grant and his running buddies.
Mesherle has been tried and convicted. Grants family and “supporters” need to go back to their life of welfare, drugs and guns. And the rest of us need to just move on.

260 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Oscar Grant Supporter.
Gee police treated you like “trash”??? What did you do for the police to be called on you??? Certainly it didn’t have anything to do with correct sentence structure, as that is a skill you are completely lacking.
Perhaps you need to move to East Oakland so you live with those you think are so wonderful as we really don’t need anymore “trash” like you in Concord. It is people like you that give the Mexican community a bad reputations.

261 Diablo July 16, 2010 at 12:59 PM

@249
I live on this side of the hill buddy, why don’t you show me your great logic and explain how this rally will help the situation and not just piss more people off!

262 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 1:06 PM

The rally is only between 2-5pm. Most of Grant’s supporters don’t even get out of bed until that time

263 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Diablo, It doesn’t matter. It is their right to PEACEFULLY assemble. The key word being PEACEFULLY. Unlike Oakland, Walnut Creek and surrounding cities are very supportive of the police and the job they do. Mehserle has quite a bit of support from the Law Enforcement community and the communities who support Law Enforcement. Many have donated to his legal defense fund.

How was it okay for people to protest the verdict by throwing rocks and bottles at the police who were there to protect the citizens and businesses? How was it ok to thrash the city and advocate violence?

We are already pissed off!

Free Mehserle!

264 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Some well intentioned ideas are very ill-conceived. Thanks for making my job harder.

265 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 6:54 PM

The WC Coppers will love this. It’ll give them something to do for three hours

266 Diablo July 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM

I’m not sure about the great Police support for Mehserle out here in Contra Costa. The ones I’ve talked to in Pleasant Hill and Danville say he made a terrible mistake. Instigated by the actions of Mr. Grant and friends but also inflated by the other officer yelling nigger this and nigger that, which is the reason he doesn’t have a job anymore.
This is publicity that I feel we can do without, I don’t see how it’s worth the chance of drive by shootings coming to Walnut Creek.
I am a firm believer in freedom of speech but I also believe in choosing my battles wisely, the officers I know will not be attending this rally.

267 Claycord Adjuster July 16, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Well said #152, (your friendly neighborhood police officer). I find it odd that everyone is up in arms about this. Supporters of LEO have a right to rally also and I think we should have done it long ago. See you Monday!

268 Mercy July 16, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Unfortunately, from the camera phones we do not see all that happened at one time. Different views show a different prospective. One thing that is clear, Mr. Grant had a free hand which one can clearly see. It is easy for us to sit back and be Monday morning quarterbacks however, we do not have to deal with these situations on a daily basis’ like police officers. Grant’s friends are still alive, why? Because they cooperated with the request of the police. Have any of you put yourselves in the position of what a cop has to deal with everyday? While it was unfortunate that someone died, it is important to remember that all he had to do was put his hands behind his back until the police could sort out what happened. They were called to the scene because of a distrubance on Bart. This has nothing to do with race but has everything to do with resisting arrest. Bart is the one who needs to answer the question as to why Mehersele was not better trained. Cops lives are on the line everyday and they know they are targets everyday.
I think having a show of support for LE in Walnut Creek is better than Oakland. If it had been in Oakland, don’t you think that would have been offensive to the Grant family?
We are all guilty of sin, white, black, hispanic, etc….it is only through the Grace of God that we are all here. The Grant family talks about God and the bible so, they should know that Oscar is in a better place. Have peace with that. God forgave us therefore, we must forgive others. Our family has had some bad experiences with police but you have to let it go. Most police officers are there to protect and serve.

269 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 11:22 PM

This is what gives police a horrible reputation. Cowards like Mehserle and their cowardly supporters.

Um, Mehserle supporters? See you at the rally.

I don’t think you’re going to like the reception you get.

270 Anonymous July 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Well, Mercy, you won’t mind if your own family is shot and killed by some cop then, right? I mean, you won’t mind if two cops are sitting on top of your son or daughter, and another one shoots your son or daughter in the back and watches them die, right?

Cowardly idiot.

271 Mercy July 17, 2010 at 12:18 AM

#271 Wow! Is that really what you got from what I said? This is the problem with things like this. People “hear” only what they “want” to hear. You do not know if I am white or black or a Latina or whatever. And it doesn’t matter. It is a tragedy that Oscar is dead and his family is grieving. It is also a time of grieving for the Mehersle family. And yes, I have had cops desend on my brother and put him in the hospital. They thougth he was high on pcp but instead, he was having a grand mol seisurze. As you might imagine we were very angry at the police. They almost killed him. they beat him up pretty good. Later they found out that he was not on drugs. No one apologized…it just went away. But for me, I know that I have salvation through Jesus Christ and eveyone of you have it too. But it has to be your choice. I want peace at this rally. I don’t want to hear the things that were said by the Grant family and Burris that just drives the wedges deeper. and incites violance. Many of us grew up poor but our family took whatever jobs we could to make something better out of our lives. You can be a “poor me” all of your life or you can say “I am going after what I want and become a survivor!” No one has to be oppressed. We are free in this country and we are free in the love of Jesus Christ.

272 Mercy July 17, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Everyone would be much happier if this time was spent calmly talking about how each group precieves the other. All the “facts” in this case need to be disregarded only in the sense of trying to work through the situation in a reasonable, mature, and educated matter. None of us have all the facts. Most of what we know we have obtained from “hearsay.” Did Oscar really resist arrest because of the 12 bags of heroine in his belt? Did Johannes really confuse the taser since he had it out already? Comparing the gun and taser in question, this particular taser looks and feels very much like a gun. Would a police officer, purely out of common sense, pull a gun out and shoot a man in the man KNOWING there were other officers around. And, let’s not forgot the camera phones! Who in there right mind would take that risk? I personally, pray for love and healing on both sides. We are ONE human race left together to love and care for one another.Our time would be better spent cleaning up the streets and getting young people involved in something meaningful outside of their ouwn lifes.

273 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 7:50 AM

“Well, Mercy, you won’t mind if your own family is shot and killed by some cop then, ”

No one in my family would fight the cops or do things that would bring thenselves to their attention.

“They thougth he was high on pcp but instead, he was having a grand mol seisurze. ”

Maybe he should not be out in public alone or have a Medic-Alert bracelet. Cops deal with what is in front of them– you have to know what.

274 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 8:51 AM

#270,

“Cowardly supporters?” Hey jackass, lest we forget about Ol’ St. Oscar’s “Cowardly supporters” who show up at a protest HIDING behind masks and hoodies while throwing rocks and bottles at the police. How about the REALLY “brave” St. Oscar supporters who threatened harm to Mehserle’s baby? Really? Wow these guys are tough!

Leave your wanna-be tough-guy attitude in Oakland with John “The Rug Man” Burris and Mayor “I aint gonna pay my taxes” Dellums

275 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Oscar knew he would be going back to prison with the 12 bags of heroin on his belt. No wonder he was acting like a jackass!

276 Press Release from Rally Coordinators July 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM

To the Public:

We have received many requests for an interview from various news groups and reporters regarding the upcoming rally scheduled for Monday. It has been impossible to answer all requests due to the sheer volume, however we are releasing this press announcement in regards to Monday’s events.

Contrary to what has been portrayed in the media, this rally is NOT about dividing communities, inciting a race war or a political debate. The Walnut Creek location was chosen primarily out of convenience to allow for a central location accessible to many from different communities all over the Bay area. Many reporters throughout our community, but especially the Contra Costa Times and http://www.facebook.com/l/0c2fb25OSrP8u2wjpSPAhEWmYrg;Claycord.com, decided to leak this event to the community before speaking with any event planners, thus creating an angry stir with some individuals and groups. As a result of their negligent reporting and failure to properly convey the meaning for the rally early on, hundreds of angry and hateful comments have been reported by various people and the true meaning of this event has not been conveyed properly. For this reason, no interviews will take place that will allow anyone to misconstrue what was said and the entire press release will be available for all to see.

This rally is NOT about inciting violence, destruction, intolerance, hatred, racism, riots, or to upset the Grant family and their supporters. Rather, this is an opportunity for those in our communities to come together in peace to grieve and voice their support for a former Law Enforcement Officer, Johannes Mehserle and his family and friends. There is great support for Mr. Mehserle as well as for all other Law Enforcement Officers and we recognized that an avenue needed to happen to allow these individuals to express their feelings and offer others support and encouragement.

We do NOT believe that Mr. Mehserle intentionally took the life of Mr. Grant. We believe this was a tragic mistake that occurred while on active duty and one that could have been easily preventable if BART Police demanded its officers wear their tasers on the opposite side as their gun and be made to draw that taser with their weak hand. During the course of Mr. Mehserle’s trial, evidence and witness statements provided insight that truly showed the action was not intentional. No one believes that Mr. Grant deserved to be killed nor is anyone happy that this happened. Oscar Grants family and friends have lost someone that they loved. Johannes Mehserle’s family, friends and fellow law enforcement officials have also lost someone they loved, respected and admired, but healing and forgiveness is only going to take place in our community if we make way for dialogue and truly come to understand the pain on both sides.

Throughout the last 18 months, Mr. Mehserle and his family and friends have been the victims of politics and persecuted in the public eye. While we recognize that some individuals are angry and hurt at what occurred on January 1, 2009, no one in our community has taken the time to get to know the person Johannes is. He is not the cruel and racist person he has been portrayed to be. We believe as a group that if people would truly open their eyes, get to know him and his family as well as other officers, lay the race issue aside, and open way to dialogue, that healing in our community can take place and change can happen that can benefit both sides.

Furthermore, this rally is also to support all Law Enforcement Officers and to show our thanks and appreciation to them for the work they do in our communities. Our Officers have a very stressful and difficult job, but everyday they work around the clock trying to make our communities better and safer for everyone to the best of their abilities. Law Enforcement Officers are rarely thanked or appreciated for all they do for us. To thank our officers for protecting our communities is not as some people have stated, “a racist move” – police come in all shapes, sizes and colors…. This is to truly thank them for all they do for us and nothing more.

We hope that those of you that attend the rally on Monday will show respect for both sides and for the City of Walnut Creek and the officers on duty. We ask that you resist name calling and intimidation, remain peaceful and truly allow a dialogue to take place that will promote healing for everyone. Let us know who Oscar Grant was. Ask who Johannes Mehserle is and get to know him through the people who know him. Talk with officers and get to know how they feel about their jobs, their communities, what they go through on a daily basis, how our officers can better serve you and vice versa. This rally is about opening doors of communication and setting aside our differences to promote tolerance and peace within our communities.

For those of you with ulterior motives in mind to cause harm to anyone, incite riots, violence, or destruction, we ask that you do not bring that mentality to this rally. Rather, we ask you to be respectful of those who want to be heard, regardless of whether their opinions and feelings align with yours or not.

We thank everyone for their support and look forward to Monday’s event.

Sincerely,

Rally Support Coordinators

277 Mercy July 17, 2010 at 12:07 PM

#274 You’re an idiot! And this was the FIRST time he had a seizure. We were not aware that he had a brain tumor. He was an attorney and never had done drugs or done anything against the law. He never even had a speeding ticket! My point was, that sometimes police officers respond to what is happening in front of them. They have to “react” to situations. I was trying to point out that even though we may have had a bad experience, I still support police officers. As in anything, you have some good and some bad. The fact is, Oscar Grant brought this on himself. All it had to do was sit back and do as he was told. Maybe the cop was yelling racial slurs in response to the profanity Oscar and the others were yelling at them. Perhaps that is the only language the cops thought they would understand since they were not responding to “sit down.” And, maybe the one cop didn’t appreciate being kicked in the groin? The truth is……if you break the law, it is why we hire police to keep the law of the land. Notice at the “rally” in Oakland that were there was Police presence there was peace….looting and destruction took place outside of the police line. Now people are griping about why the police didn’t do anything about that! So which is it???? Do you want the police out there or not! Some people will never be happy. This rally will be a good time to “Thank” the police for everything they do!

278 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM

“#274 You’re an idiot! And this was the FIRST time he had a seizure. We were not aware that he had a brain tumor”

I am #274– you never said that in your first post– how was I to know the full truth as you DID NOT say it. Do not call people ‘Idiots’ when you do not give all the facts.. you make yourself look bad. If that was my family member – I would not blame the cops for what they did & I have cops in my family– as I said — they deal with what is in front of them & find out all the facts later– it is the nature of the job.

279 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM

For me this is not about race. It is about an unarmed man being shot by a cop when he was already down on the ground. The cop was wrong, he killed the unarmed man who posed no threat at that point in the situation as he was on the ground and surrounded by cops. Yes, I’m sure the cop is sorry, but that does not bring back the man he shot. The verdict was right, regardless of the race of the people involved. He deserves to serve time for what he did, as anyone who did such a horrible act does.

280 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 4:17 PM

“he killed the unarmed man who posed no threat at that point in the situation as he was on the ground and surrounded by cops.”

Many a felon pulls a gun on cops to avoid going back to prison for life– yes it happens & Mehserle recently dealt with one who had a gun in the pocket Grants was trying to get into..good people do not fight the cops..easy as that.

281 Anonymous July 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM

This so called young man had been shot before. My neighbor is a mid 40s black man, we have been friends for a long time.
As he put it, there had been in a altercation on the train and it had spilled over onto the platform, the officers were doing ther job, it’s when you have a bunch of people yelling and screaming together, and provoking things to a point where something like this happens!
It would hve been different at 4 in the afternoon. As they say in the service nothing good happens after Midnight.

282 cornfed July 18, 2010 at 8:04 AM

What’s wrong with supporting LE and this officer? The Left Coast media did their best to incite a riot with incessant angry-black-man interviews after an officer was convicted-not acquitted, convicted- in the death of a citizen alter boy at the hands of police. But it wasn’t for the charge that they wanted, so unlimited airtime was granted to the victim’s uncle’s third cousin, along with some miscellaneous twenty something agitator for the Los Angeles Union for Justice and Reparations Now group. And of course, there was the customary finger-pointing shoutdown by the local Reverend Bowtie who is just a punk in a suit. All we needed was the President to tell us that the jury acted stupidly.

283 DDDI July 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM

The audacity, the incesitiveness, the insult, and the carelessness of these people to go and rally for a convicted felon. It flies in the face of the Oscar Grant family. I am so appalled and enraged and these self serving, self bloating, self righteous people of Walnut Creek. From the comfort of the suburban lifestyles they don’t have any remorse to rally in support for system that has given them the upper hand in life and where the life of an African American is of less value as long as they get to keep their lifestyles. Unfreaking believable, I will be there and I will loose my sanity in front of such outrage of these selfish lazy creeps.

284 Anonymous July 18, 2010 at 2:20 PM

“The audacity, the incesitiveness, the insult, and the carelessness of these people to go and rally for a convicted felon”

Lovell Mixon killed 4 OPD Officers & the urban folk marched in his honor & burned down a memorial for the dead cops… comment on that..

285 Geeps July 19, 2010 at 7:44 AM

Question……What about all of those thuggish white kids running around Oakland with masks on their faces, breaking windows, starting fires, tagging buildings and inciting the looting of businesses following an otherwise peaceful demonstration? Who are their parents? Who raised them? They were clearly breaking the law and being disorderly! Considering all of the comments that are attempting to justify Oscar Grant’s death for being disorderly, then it should have been equally justified for any of these white punk “Anarchists” to have gotten one in the back while prone on the ground as well….Agreed? Oh, wait a minute, I know what some of the idiots posting on here are going to come back with……”they were just misguided kids”

There seems to be a mindset among certain communities, not all, of white people which I will refer to as “Whiteness.” This particular mindset seems to avoid acknowledging the misdeeds of persons that look like themselves. Always quick to point fingers at communities of color for drugs, crime, and bad behavior, but failing to address the issues that plague their own communities! How many meth labs and addicts are there between Walnut Creek and Concord? It has been proven that many of the illegal guns that end up in the hands of black/latino youths in Oakland and elsewhere come from white biker gangs and those with white prison gang affiliations in and around Contra Costa County. If there is to be any true dialogue and or healing then, among other things, this hypocritical attitude among, as I say, certain segments needs to be checked. Case in point-If Bristol Palin had been one of Obama’s daughters with an out of Wedlock child do you believe we would have ever heard the end of it? The tea party types would be riding this like a carnival horse! Yes, Bristol Palin has a “Baby Daddy!”

286 Nancy Lewis July 19, 2010 at 12:01 PM

JUSTICE FOR JOEY!

Check out the website : joeypinasco.com
This doesn’t just happen to blacks!

They shot Joey 24 times. Cops had time to think, do they let Joey run because they shot him earlier. Then have to cover it up to save their jobs. This was murder!T

287 Anonymous July 19, 2010 at 1:00 PM

Dred Scott Decision — On March 6, 1857, Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, of the United States Supreme Court, declared that “The negro has no rights which the white man is bound to respect”

Taking into account many of the comments displayed and presented within this and other forums, the opinions, attitudes and sentiments that brought about the above referenced decision of 1857 are very much still alive and present in 2010..

288 anonymoys July 19, 2010 at 2:19 PM

no where in my mind do i think that mehserle PURPOSELY set out to kill someone that night, BUT he still did and what, because it was “an accident” he shouldn’t go to jail? when is it EVER ok to pull out a gun/taser/baton ANYTHING to use on someone that’s already handcuffed and face down on the ground?? black, white, yellow, green, blue, it was wrong, wrong, WRONG. what are people going to show support of??? the fact that this man can’t distinguish between his weapons and killed someone??

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